Kiwi: "I wouldn't play for Rush"
Controversial radio-host Rush Limbaugh is trying to buy the Rams. But many black players are speaking out about his past racism. Even our own Mathias Kiwanuka has spoken out. Add Bart Scott of the Jets to the list as well.
Personally, I think Rush can have the lousy Rams (sorry Spags!).
Limbaugh's controversial comments are well-known. He resigned from ESPN in 2003 after he said the media were "very desirous that a black quarterback do well" in reference to Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb being overrated. "If he's rewarded to buy them, congratulations to him," McNabb said during his weekly press conference. "But I won't be in St. Louis anytime soon."
Read the whole article at the NY Daily News.
Mathias Kiwanuka loves his former defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, but the Giants' defensive end says he will never play for Spagnuolo's Rams if Rush Limbaugh purchases the team.
Kiwanuka and the Jets' Bart Scott made it clear Thursday that they would never play for the Rams or any team owned by the controversial conservative radio host.
I'm surprised about the players speaking out. Interesting that the league has been quiet. Here's Kiwi:
Kiwanuka told The Daily News. "I mean, I don't want anything to do with a team that he has any part of. He can do whatever he wants, it is a free country. But if it goes through, I can tell you where I am not going to play."
"I am not going to draw a conclusion from a person off of one comment, but when it is time after time after time and there's a consistent pattern of disrespect and just a complete misunderstanding of an entire culture that I am a part of, I can't respect him as a man."
Here's Bart Scott:
Scott says players remember what Limbaugh said, and adds that the NFL would be wise not to allow the nationally syndicated host into the league. "It's an oxymoron that he criticized Donovan McNabb," Scott said. "A lot of us took it as more of a racial-type thing. I can only imagine how his players would feel. I know I wouldn't want to play for him. He's a jerk. He's an ---. What he said (about McNabb) was inappropriate and insensitive, totally off-base. He could offer me whatever he wanted, I wouldn't play for him. ... I wouldn't play for Rush Limbaugh. My principles are greater and I can't be bought."
Read the whole article at the NY Daily News. There is more from Kiwi that I didn't paste here due to article length...
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Limbaugh, who grew up in Missouri about 100 miles south of St. Louis, is an avid sports fan who once said that “the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons.”
I’m going to set my opinion of Limbaugh aside, but I’m curious to see how this is handled by the NFL. Please keep the comments respectful. I realize this can be a touchy subject.
by M. on Oct 9, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
without commenting on my own opinion of rush
that’s what free markets are all about. rush is free to run his team however he wants, and the players are free to choose not to play for him.
by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for him
I am sure Kiwi would not be in the minority regarding Rush (although knowing the man’s history, this story will probably amount to nothing more than a publicity stunt to drum up ratings).
by BigBlue4Life on Oct 9, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't need ratings
the man has tons of listeners from both sides of the spectrum.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 9, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
id agree he has tons of listeners..
but def. NOT from both sides of the spectrum..
unless some people like to listen to laugh on stupidity ;)
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Oct 11, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is Bullshit..
If Rush offered him a record contract, these guys would absolutely play for him
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 9, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe, maybe not
a lot of players and coaches won’t work for the raiders because its not a winning organization. lots of players take pay cuts to play in new england.
some might go for money, some might have other reasons. kiwi and bart scott can sign wherever they’d like.
by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Politics aside
Rush is a piece of skunk feces. Before I got satellite radio i listened to him hours a day for years, because commercial radio music is so bad. His logic is a study in fallacy, he’s a hypocritical, drug-abusing, whore-hiring racist, and lastly, he’s really just doing an act, because it pays him.
And for $80,000 a year, I’d work for him.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 9, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the NFL would suffer greatly
if they let a freak like Rush into their ownership club. He’ll have their logo behind him every him whenever his patented “entertainment” comes out. When Marge Schott came out as a racist, MLB rightly kicked her out. The NFL needs to follow that lead.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 9, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The NFL is not a free market.
Like it or not, that’s the way it is. That being the case, the owners would be nuts to let Limbaugh have a piece of a team. Tell him to hit the road. If he doesn’t like it, let him sue. I’d love to see how the courts would deal with his complaint. Unfortunately, I’d be prepared for disappointment
by blue gonz on Oct 10, 2009 4:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly, its not a free market.
the nhl isnt letting jim balsillie (blackberry dude) by a team..
nfl can stop anyone from buying a team.
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Oct 11, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Rush very much
but his comments about McNabb were not racisit. He was making a statement about about how liberal media types are rooting for a black QB and thats why McNabb is overrated. He was dead wrong about what he said but he did not make a “racisit” comment. If it was racist don’t you think Tom Jackson and Michael Irving would have been really upset at it on the set of NFL Coutdown. They just dismissed his comment as silly, which it was, and made their points of why McNabb is a good QB. Nobody thought anything of it until Monday morning. Look the guy is an entertainer and cateers to his audience especailly when he is on TV. I don’t like his brand of entertainment but if his checks clear players will play for him. Do you honestly think he’ll be the first wealthy white man to own a professional sports team that’s a litlle bit racist or prejudice even in today’s society? He’s just made some public comments, some that have been taken totally out of context others that have not so he is a lightning rod for controversy but thats how he makes his living.
by Landeta on Oct 10, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So what you're saying is...
that Rush himself is not racist, he was just doing us all a favor by exposing the racism in other people who were rooting for McNabb (presumably at the expense of white QBs).
Also, only Tom Jackson and Michael Irivin can recognize racism because, um…. why is that?
Thanks! That was about the most uninsightful thing I’ve ever read.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 11, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's not George Preston Marshall
Limbaugh is still a racist – http://newsone.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ and
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/rush-limbaugh-proves-he-i_b_61805.html and those are from 2008 and 2007. And please, stop with the “entertainer” thing – he’s a political operative, the de facto head of his regionally marginalized party (how many elected officials have kissed the ring and made their mea culpas to him?) and a pseudo-patriot who puts party and self-interest before country every time. I applaud the stand taken by Kiwanuka and Scott and look forward to more athletes and others speaking out about this.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 10, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the "entertainer thing"
Although I mostly agree with you, I don’t think we should dismiss the “entertainer” angle. I saw a graph recently of Rush’s listeners vs. Republican party rankings, and the trends were moving in opposite directions. Rush’s listener #’s seem to be shooting through the roof, while the Repub ratings were way down.
So to call him a “political operative” might be off-base. It seems like his ratings ($$$) are coming at the expense of “his party”.
by M. on Oct 10, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Let me see Kiwi and Scott Turn down an offer from STL if they offer the most money
Its all smoke and mirrors. And all involved should grow up. Marge Schott called one of her players a Nigg*r, yet she was able to maintain one of the best African American Baseball players (Barry Larkin) to play on her team.
Rush Limbaugh is a nut, just like Keith Olberman and all others involved in the field of political commentary.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 10, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
have you heard some of the stuff this idiot Limbaugh has said?
I doubt that if Kiwi or Scott were on the open market, that the Rams would offer such a high salary that they wouldn’t have options.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 10, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not interested in hearing what he said
I will presume that it is facetious. Nevertheless, some owners have said some controversal and “racial” things in the past. Yet, they were still able to keep their non-white players.
Honestly, Im not intrerested in hearing whether Kiwi or Scott would play for him. Kiwi plays for the NYG, and Scott, just signed a 40 mill contract to play with the Jets. They shouldnt worry about other peoples business.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 10, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't america great
“Im not interested in hearing what he said – I will presume that it is facetious.” willful ignorance and you still have the right to vote.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you do not even know what the word facetious means
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 10, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep believing that rush's hate-speech is facetious
oh, and great comeback, mr. wordsmith. at night when you’re watching your favorite reruns on tv, shows that i probably wrote, think about how good you felt when you wrote the immortal words “I’m pretty sure you do not even know what the word facetious means”. the ultimate snark, got me good. i realize i’m fighting an unarmed man here but i know this as well – if we don’t speak up against racism and hate we are, all of us who remain silent, complicit. and if we seek to justify it with weak arguments centered around “facetiousness”, we are siding with the bigots and racists. enjoy the company.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't watch much tv
And I do not want to hear about this racism crap. Limbaugh is a racist, and so is Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc,etc..
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 11, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they are not
repeat NOT thinking of buying football teams! that is the issue here.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 11, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they are also racists
And that is undoubted.
I could care less if he purchases the Rams. I am a Giant fan. Its not my concern.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep those synapses firing, Mr Hockey (American)
It’s like talking to a puppy. Hey, and guess what… the puppy may also be a racist? But that’s not what anyone is talking about. Sadly your vote cancels mine but then again you’re probably far too busy to vote – it’s probably not your concern.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 11, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiwi
will be a FA soon enough, and the fact that they have Spags would have made them an obvious choice if the Giants didn’t retain him. It had a very likely chance of happening that Kiwi would be a Ram in the future, so that he said this is pretty big as far as the NFL is concerned.
Limbaugh said that the dude who shot MLK should be awarded a medal for being a hero. Of course it is facetious, but the dude said it.
Dude’s a drugged out whackball anyway, I really can’t see him being part of the group to buy the Rams…so this all probably goes without saying.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 10, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a difference
Marge Schott never had a syndicated radio show as a platform for her outrageous statements.
by M. on Oct 10, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, honestley that would make it worse
Marge came out of the blue and called her player a Nigg*r.
Limbaugh is payed to say controversial things. Thats the whole reason he was on ESPN.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 10, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant compare olbermann and limbaugh..
sure they both have very one-sided views.. but i dont believe keith olbermann has ever applauded an assassin. or said he hoped the country would fail
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Oct 11, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olberman and Limbaugh are both tools
They have both said some stupid things.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Oct 11, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush
If these bloggers actually listened to Rush, they might find him a welcome change from the constant lies and exaggerations of most “news” broadcasts. While I may disagree with much that Rush says, I agree with almost none of the falsehoods from NPR, ABC, NBC, The New York Times, Washington Post, etc. We need different points of view and any interested person only has to listen to the same story on different networks to hear not only the same viewpoint but also the same phrases. There is a template as Rush says and it is unfailingly liberal, using carefully chosen distortions to sell an agenda. Remember this is a free country with room for diverse opinions. And, for now, a free enterprise economy. Kiwi is free to refuse to play for Rush. Where does he draw the line? Would he refuse to play with a confessed murderer? A child molester? I wonder.
by Boyce R on Oct 10, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yea, because rush never lies in his program
/eye roll.
by cntrlalt on Oct 10, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not quite sure
which owners or prospective owners are the “confessed murderer” or “child molester” but the prospective owner we’re discussing is a drug-addled, drug smuggling sex tourist (look it up, it’s all in the "liberal media archives) so i think we can say that Kiwi and Bart have drawn the line somewhere.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 10, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
It’s always amazing to me how bigots talk about how this is a free country yet they continue to use language aimed at keeping an entire community down. Apparently, a chunk of our population believes that this is a free country but only for some of us. Yes, our society’s freedom dictates that this despicable human being can own a team if he can afford it but kudos to Bart Scott and Kiwi for taking they stand they have taken. While I can appreciate the fact that this is a free country, I would also like to add that it would be an even better place to be if Rush and people who thought like him packed up their shit and got the fuck out.
by helloooonoonan on Oct 10, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kudos to you as well helloooonoonan
it is amazing to me that people can excuse bigotry and racial hatred in comments by limbaugh as being “facetious”. oh he’s an entertainer, he’s a comedian, he’s paid to say outrageous things – no. he is a bigoted, oxycotin-addicted, drug smuggling sex tourist and thankfully only 17-22% of the American people identify with the party he represents.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 10, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing the free country argument,
butthe NFL is more like a private club. The owners can keep someone out if they decide for instance that allowing a particular person to buy into the league would be bad PR or detrimental to——(you name it—any number of things.)
by blue gonz on Oct 10, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why i agreed with your original post, up above
It is known that this country is based on free enterprise. Free enterprise for those that qualify. Limbaugh at this moment does not qualify for a position to own an NFL team that is racially dominated by a race, minorities from the national demographics.
But, i only say this based on the assumption that if Limbaugh has at least 1% of being racist, as other established owners will have a say. The NFL as it stands now, wants to broaden their exposure, globally. Rush Limbaugh being an owner (bigot) not only hurts the Rams, but the image the NFL wants to promote. Allowing him into the league would moreless implement the idea that the NFL condones such beliefs.
A politically and racially motivated individual does belong in the NFL, or anywhere for that matter.
by Hootman on Oct 10, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rush was denied owndership
then you could find a reason toto refuse any prospective owner the right to NFL team ownership. I would rather play for Rush (who’s a true sports nut) than some guy with a marginal interest in the game who only wants to buy the team for financial reasons. What makes anyone think that the NFL ownership (not exactly a liberal bunch) and Roger Goodell will vote this ownership group down. As long as this group wins the bid with a fair offer, no one should object to it.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 10, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what are you suggesting?
It’s ok for a political and possibly racially motivated person to buy a sports team and it would be acceptable? Sports nut or not, marginal interest or not, it’s the notion or agenda that is at work here! Rush Limbaugh with his politics aside, does not belong in the NFL! His racial indifferences or comments should be enough to keep him from any hope of an ownership bid!
As far as i’m concerned, politics should be left in D.C., and not to be part of any of the professional sports. All owners preferrably have their own political affilliations, but it’s not the basis of what they want to accomplish. This seems like a ploy for Rush to buy a team and get the fans aboard for a cause or view he has?! Nothing more, nothing less!
Limbaugh buying the Rams would be like the Grand Wizard of the KKK being promoted to the head of the ACLU or Chancellor of Grambling State! There’s no ryhme or reason, but just an agenda that each may want to accomplish!
When it comes to race, politics and religion, i generally leave it alone. But overall, this Limbaugh thing has an uncertain ring about that i had to say something!
by Hootman on Oct 10, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are You Crazy?
If politics should be left in DC, then every person who has ever made a political contribution shouldn’t be allowed in the NFL. How about Dan Rooney, who publically endorsed Obama and is now the US Ambassador to Ireland? Rush’s job is to be inflammatory, if he wasn’t, he would just be another talking head. I would MUCH rather have Rush and the St. Louis Blues owner buy the Rams and keep them in St. Louis (a city that I love) than a group of Europeans who want to move the team to London (a city that i could care less about.) I don’t know how “racially motivated” Rush is, he’s said some stupid things, but what pundit hasn’t? Even Barack Obama called his own grandmother “a typical white person” does that mean that he should be impeached from office? Absolutely not. The comparison to the Grand Wizard of The KKK is absolutely Ludicrous, and a more suitable comparison would be to the KKK and the SPLC or NAACP since the ACLU has represented the KKK on multiple occasions in court. Rush may be an Asshole and he may be pompous and many other things but I’m sure that he’d be a better owner than guys like Mike Brown, Al Davis and Daniel Snyder.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 10, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
Like I said earlier I’m not a big fan of Rush but to compare him to the KKK because of his political views is a little much. His comments about McNabb were inaccurate but not racist. Most people in this country don’t like his politics so to discredit him they call him racist because he make a lot of non PC comments. That does not make him racist and I call BS to all of these people that act all PC about this stuff, give me a break. There are bigger and more powerfull issues affecting minorities out in society that need to be addressed other than Rush Limbaugh buying the St. Louis Rams.
by Landeta on Oct 10, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....
He said that the guy who killed MLK should be awarded a medal and be called a hero.
I…I just…I just don’t know how much more racist you can get. Do you want him to just go and say “I hate black people” in order for 2 and 2 to be put together here?
I mean I love South Park and other similar stuff that isn’t “PC” , but I mean damn. I usually don’t give a rats ass about being PC anyway…
but Rush isn’t trying to be funny. It seems to be said tounge in cheek somewhat…but that comment I mentioned isn’t even one of his worst.
A guy that says that, and there is no reason to think he doesn’t believe in the dribble he says, how is he gonna be an owner where the “employees”, the players are mostly black?
Also, what do you think would happen if a Limbaugh (partially)owned team is gonna have to interview a black coaching candidate? I’m sure Limbaugh would be all over the Rooney rule, if he hasn’t said something on it already.
This dude has no buisness being involved with the NFL ever again. He can watch, but he shouldn’t be allowed to be involved with anything endorsed by it, let alone own a damn team.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction my fried, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 10, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you say the same thing
When Kerry Collins was signed by the Giants?That James Earl Ray quote is phony, if you can find the day that he said it, i’ll accept it but the fact is that the source from which that quote originated is a known Rush hater. I don’t like Rush, but I want the Rams to stay in St. Louis.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 10, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who ever said the Rams were moving?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction my fried, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Kerry Collins is a QB....
he is a player. Just like John Rocker was a player.
He doesn’t hand out your checks.
If you play for a guy like Rush Limbaugh, he can basically say whetever he wants and you really can’t do anything about it, cuz he’s paying your check.
If Kerry wanted to mouth off, you can punch him in the mouth, or in practice maybe you just tee off on the guy in the red jersey.
I ain’t about me, FB, its about what the players would want to do
I think the fact that players even care about who the owner is in a negative way, is more than enough reason to say that he’d be a detriment to the league.
I haven’t heard one player coming out and say that, “I’d be perfectly fine playing for Rush in St.Louis”.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction my fried, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why i said, owners having they're own political affilliations
I’m well aware of donations, every big whig from every sector of business does this. Are these owners politically motivated, like Limbaugh? Isn’t that what Limbaughs show is all about, politics? Anyone can pubically endorse anyone, and be an Ambassador, but it doesn’t change the fact that Limbaugh himself, is controversial and his comments about another race are questionable! To me, he doesn’t qualify as a sound owner of an NFL team with regards to the percentage of minorities amongst it!
Already, red flags were put up when Kiwi and Scott voiced they’re opinion. How about other players? How would the stability of the Rams be then? Not good for the NFL or for the city! I will admit, i probably shouldn’t have brought up the KKK, so i’ll end it on that!
Whats funny, is that you brought up those other owners. Brown, Davis and Snyder! Each owner brings a certain amount of question marks, but in terms of football! But you did ask if i’m crazy, what would be crazy if Jerry Springer bought the Bengals. The former Mayor of Cincy! While i’m at it, Marion Barry buying the Redskins, now we can keep it in D.C.! ;)
by Hootman on Oct 11, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...then you could find any reason to refuse any prospective owner the right...," etc.
That’s pretty much the case as long as they can fit it under the rubric of what’s best for the game, etc.. It’s true that, unlike baseball, the NFL isn’t a legal monopoly (thanks to Judge Landis, later Commissioner Landis, quite a racial bigot himself, BTW) but it’s damn close th that.
by blue gonz on Oct 10, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush
I am not sure I understand either the liberals on this page or Kiwi- but I’ll try-
it is ok to have as a teammate, someone who shares the locker room, the practice field and the sideline, a confessed murderer- Dante Stallworth- or an animal torturer- Michael Vick- or any number of wife and girl friend abusers, drug abusers, convicted felons, but not an owner, that distant factor in the life of a player, with whose political and social views you disagree. If Kiwi says he would ask to be traded if the Giants acquired Vick or Stallworth or——- fill in the blank——-then I would understand. But to say that these players who DID something are ok but a political commentator is not…. I question that.
by Boyce R on Oct 10, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now read what you just wrote, Boyce
and ask yourself, If the players are such terrible people – WHY DO YOU WATCH? Is it to see, hopefully, the chivalrous knights of goodness and virtue triumph over the murdering, animal-torturing, abusive forces of darkness and depravity? Of course you don’t understand Kiwi’s stand or a liberal point of view; you can’t even understand your own twisted love for a game whose players you clearly hate.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 11, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NB
I haven’t tried to characterize Limbaugh one one way or another (he’s been portrayed here as a buffon doing what he has to do to make a buck or a racist demagogue.) That’s beside the point as far as my argument goes. I believe the owners can deny him ownership based on the public persona he has created for himself. I believe that his persona is clear to any sentient human being. If anyone wanrs me to express my personal opinion of good old Rush, I’ll consider it, but won’t necesarilly honor the request. I’ve never stooped to personal invective on this site, so chances are I won’t start. I’m quite familiar with his bloviating. For many years, I sidelined with a hobby of restoring old Victorian homes and a lot of the crews I used listened to Rush throughout. That’s his audience and guys who are on the road a lot to make a living.By and large they were okay guys, but they liked Rush because he could voice for them legitimate grievances they themselves could not articulate. Not that Rush was necessarily accurate (e.g., ever hear of him railing against the Federal Reserve?) but he stuck a chord that resonated with them.
by blue gonz on Oct 10, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, they wouldn't play for Rush because he's a "racist"...
yet there’s a 99.99% chance they voted for Obama. Hypocrites are the same all over.
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by 5_Giant_Raider_Clipper_Laker_13 on Oct 11, 2009 2:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right, Rush isn't a "racist"
He’s a straight-up RACIST, no quotations marks needed to soften the blow. And you make clear that you think Obama is. But you’re no hypocrite, you love your country. Only the America you love is pre-1865 America.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 11, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is Obama racist?
Anywhoo I respect Kiwi’s and Bart’s stand agianst Rush. He can buy the Rams if he wants, I don’t care and well “I hope he fails!” Couldn’t resist.
by Jsz on Oct 11, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes said some racial things before
That alluded to prejudice
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
America at it finest
Rush can use the airwave to spout his filth everyday and Kiwi and Bart Scott are excersing their right not offer their labor to a man who spouts such filth. This is why this is great country, freedom of speech and the freedom of action in who ones offers one employment. Love it.
by DoctorK16 on Oct 11, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These guys are full of shit
They will play where the money goes. Rush’s crap is no different then what Michael Irvin or some other black players have said about race. Why are white males held to such a different standard? Because our ancestors 100s of years ago? If Rush were to be denied ownership it would be another blow to racial barriers yet again.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 11, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few things..
There are people with principles in this world. You may not be one, you may not know any, but they are out there and they just might be Kiwi and Bart Scott. The issue is not what Michael Irvin said or what “some other black players have said about race” (and of course you provide none of these statements) – the only ISSUE is what Rush Limbaugh has said and where he stands. And are you really going to play the white male victimization card? Oh, I know, you’ll state that others have played that card before. Once again, not a really convincing argument backed up by anything resembling a fact. And lastly, if you’re going to speak, read or write English, the language of your white male ancestors, please learn what “alluded” means. Saying things that “allude” to prejudice is not the same as saying prejudiced things. Look up an old white male named Samuel Johnson. He once compiled a dictionary of the English language. Consider learning to use one.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 12, 2009 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if rush were denied ownership
it would be a small victory for racial equality
the man is right up there with George Bush as someone who profits greatly from helping to destroy this country
And in case you only have the capacity to think about America in terms of Dempublican, I’m really irritated that the commander of the world’s most warring armies just won the nobel Peace Prize, too.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no comparison
Rush’s offensive statements are well-documented. There are nearly 400 instances of offensive remarks by Rush at that link. Not all of the offensive remarks are about race.
I think the other NFL owners would not want someone who is so controversial to join their club. Even if you don’t think any of the ‘nearly 400’ instances provided at that link are offensive, most other people do.
Not to mention Rush’s hypocrisy. Especially regarding his drug abuse and illegal alien housekeeper.
by M. on Oct 12, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush is a fool
so is Keith Olbermann. So is Barack Obama. So was George Bush. So are about 99.9% of people involved in politics (and I have firsthand experience – I’ve worked on Capitol Hill). What’s the point – let’s talk about something that matters, like Giants football.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess George Bush is still alive
so replace “was” with “is” – don’t mean to imply that he’s no longer a fool.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem this week
let’s talk about something that matters, like Giants football.
We actually play somebody in week six! And we get to face our old friend Shockey. I really wanted to post something about football the last 2 weeks, but the matchups were pretty boring and you and Ed pretty much covered it all.
Rush is a fool, and there are plenty of other fools already in NFL ownership. I still don’t think the owners let Rush join the club.
by M. on Oct 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure your barrage wasn't meant to include
that Texan who represents Galveston, cj. If so, I’m disappointed.
by blue gonz on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's in my .1%
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in politics
the only fools are the people who believe in one side, or the other
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This whole thread is exactly why
Rush and other ideologues need to be kept away. It takes the focus away from the game.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The personal is political!
This story matters because it is so clearly bigger than football. According to ESPN, the executive director of the NFL players union has written an email to the association’s executive committee, detailing his opposition to any purchase of the St. Louis Rams football team by Rush Limbaugh.
NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith wrote, “I’ve spoken to the Commissioner [Roger Goodell] and I understand that this ownership consideration is in the early stages. But sport in America is at its best when it unifies, gives all of us reason to cheer, and when it transcends. Our sport does exactly that when it overcomes division and rejects discrimination and hatred.”
And while you’re thinking that sports somehow stands outside the rest of society, read this – http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/alexander_wolff/10/08/nfl.pioneers/index.html
and the great article from a week or so ago in sports illustrated about kenny washington, woody strode and jackie robinson. and then look at a calendar and tell me that this whole limbaugh-in-a-potential owndership-grou doesn’t matter. of course it matters. everything matters.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 12, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would they do that if a black person said prejudice comments?
Probably not, and there is my problem.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 12, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read what you just wrote.
Would they do that if…? Probably not. So you’ve answered your own hypothetical question and then added “and there is my problem.” But your problem doesn’t exist, you made it up – that’s what hypothetical means. Deal with reality and the issue at hand, not the one in your head. Rush Limbaugh is part of an ownership group that is interested in buying the Rams. It is not a group which includes the Rev. Louis Farrakhan. It is a group that includes Rush Limbaugh. That is what we are are discussing.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 12, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite right
But there are many instances where blacks have been able to get away with racial comments and whites haven’t. This is another example of how white males are held to different standards. It has nothing to do with politics, Bush, Obama, it’s just the fact of America at the present.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to an extent.
Look at Comedy Central.
You won’t see a black comedian do a half hour show without devoting at least five minutes to white people.
Most white comedians don’t dare cross that line, and the ones that do…well they usually get laughs…but still.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it coems down to the question,
is it funny or not?
And you’re wrong about racist comedy. Larry the Cable guy brings out a confederate flag guitar. And are you going to tell me you know more “White jokes” than “Black jokes?”
You might not know any white jokes, because there really aren’t many out there outside of professional comedy routines.
And to answer Joe D, the Nazis probably weren’t overly concerned with what the Jews said about them, because they were the outrageously in the majority & power. That’s the difference in public eprception. And believe me, there’s always closeted white power people to make a big stink about everything people they consider “non-white” do
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, read what you wrote
You start off agreeing – “quite right” – but then you go right back to your victimization rant – “But there are many instances where…” – get it finally and get it good; once you start a sentence with “But…” and then using some form of “they” or “them” you haven’t changed your mind and you haven’t learned and you haven’t listened – you’re just pausing to go back to your – BUT THEY DO THIS argument which has nothing whatsoever to do with what is being discussed. It is why it is impossible to engage in any meaningful conversation/discourse with someone like you. But they, but this guy once, but didn’t that guy… Sheeesh!
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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