Fantasy Football Friday: Giants vs. Raiders Preview

by cjmulrain on Oct 9, 2009 11:01 AM EDT in Fantasy Football Comment 50 comments

Do NOT start this man. And if you're in the stadium and you see him about to throw, duck. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

This one's going to be pretty short, because frankly, the fantasy prospects for this game aren't too great.

Start

Brandon Jacobs, RB, NYG - Whether Eli or David Carr makes the start, I expect the Giants to rely on the running game this weekend. The potential is there for Jacobs to have his breakout game of 2009.

Ahmad Bradshaw, RB, NYG - see above. I think this could be the week Bradshaw finds the end zone.

Steve Smith, WR, NYG - I struggled over whether to recommend starting Smith or not. For one, he's going up against the best shutdown corner in the league. For two, at best he'll have an injured Eli Manning throwing him the ball, at worst David Carr. That said, the guy leads the league in every meaningful receiving category. At this point, I think he's earned starting status until he has a few bad games in a row.

Giants Defense - They're playing against JaMarcus Russell. Enough said.

Sit

Eli Manning, QB, NYG - He might not even start, and if he does we have no idea how effective he'll be. Check him at game time, but unless your backup is, well, JaMarcus Russell, I'd sit him this week (and if you have JaMarcus on your fantasy team, you fail at life.)

Any Giants receivers not named Steve Smith - Like I said above, I expect the Giants to rely on the run, and even when they're passing, I'm not sure if Manningham or Hicks will get enough looks to make it worthwhile to start.

The Raiders. All of them - I think the Giants are gonna jump out to an early lead, which means the Raiders are going to be passing a lot - and by passing, I mean throwing the ball 10 yards past their receivers on 3 straight plays then punting.

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Any Raider i would give consideration to start

Would be Zach Miller. With Boley out, who’s going to cover Miller? I have Miller, and i’ve seen every Giants game. When the Giants get their big leads, and of course the other team gets into passing mode, the Giants have been giving up garbage yards in the 4th! I can see this happening against the Raiders… except, JaMarcus Russell! lol

Shockey has a bye and i hate starting players against the Giants! Oh, and there is crap for FA’s available! I just might have to hope for the best. Start Miller, Giants get the big lead, Giants bend a little, Miller does enough to make me happy but more importantly though, the Giants win!

by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Miller is coming off an injury

I believe a concussion. I wouldn’t use him. Tight End is deep.

by DTowbs on Oct 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not deep enough IMO!

This is who is available, out of an 8 team league. Anyone see something i don’t? Any TE experts out there?

Jermichael Finley, GB TE FA [ Add ] * BYE *
Marcedes Lewis, Jac TE FA [ Add ] @Sea Sun 4:15
Sean Ryan, KC TE FA [ Add ] Dal Sun 1:00
Tony Scheffler, Den TE FA [ Add ] NE Sun 4:15
Greg Olsen, Chi TE FA [ Add ] * BYE *
Dante Rosario, Car TE FA [ Add ] Was Sun 1:00
Kellen Davis, Chi TE FA [ Add ] * BYE *
Daniel Fells, StL TE FA [ Add ] Min Sun 1:00
Robert Royal, Cle TE FA [ Add ] @Buf Sun 1:00
Will Heller, Det TE FA [ Add ] Pit Sun 1:00
Kevin Boss, NYG TE Q FA [ Add ] Oak Sun 1:00
Brandon Pettigrew, Det TE FA [ Add ] Pit Sun 1:00
Jerramy Stevens, TB TE FA [ Add ] @Phi Sun 1:00
Steve Heiden, Cle TE FA [ Add ] @Buf Sun 1:00
Daniel Graham, Den TE FA [ Add ] NE Sun 4:15
Derek Schouman*, Buf TE IR FA [ Add ] Cle Sun 1:00
Alge Crumpler, Ten TE FA [ Add ] Ind Sun 8:20
Chris Baker, NE TE FA [ Add ] @Den Sun 4:15
Joel Dreessen, Hou TE FA [ Add ] @Ari Sun 4:15
Randy McMichael, StL TE FA [ Add ] Min Sun 1:00
Shawn Nelson, Buf TE FA [ Add ] Cle Sun 1:00
Tony Stewart, Oak TE FA [ Add ] @NYG Sun 1:00
Bo Scaife, Ten TE FA [ Add ] Ind Sun 8:20
Delanie Walker, SF TE FA [ Add ] Atl Sun 4:05
Matt Spaeth, Pit TE FA [ Add ] @Det Sun 1:00
Ben Hartsock, NYJ TE FA [ Add ] @Mia Mon 8:30
Daniel Coats, Cin TE FA [ Add ] @Bal Sun 1:00
Brian Jennings, SF TE FA [ Add ] Atl Sun 4:05
Donald Lee, GB TE FA [ Add ] * BYE *
John Paul Foschi, Cin TE FA [ Add ] @Bal Sun 1:00
Derek Fine, Buf TE FA [ Add ] Cle Sun 1:00
Jeff King, Car TE FA [ Add ] Was Sun 1:00
Craig Stevens, Ten TE FA [ Add ] Ind Sun 8:20
Anthony Becht, Ari TE FA [ Add ] Hou Sun 4:15
David Thomas, NO TE FA [ Add ] * BYE *
Martellus Bennett, Dal TE FA [ Add ] @KC Sun 1:00
Gary Barnidge, Car TE FA [ Add ] Was Sun 1:00
Desmond Clark, Chi TE P FA [ Add ] * BYE *
L.J. Smith, Bal TE FA [ Add ] Cin Sun 1:00
Casey Fitzsimmons, Det TE FA [ Add ] Pit Sun 1:00
Jeff Dugan, Min TE FA [ Add ] @StL Sun 1:00
Jacob Tamme, Ind TE FA [ Add ] @Ten Sun 8:20
Joey Haynos, Mia TE FA [ Add ] NYJ Mon 8:30
James Casey, Hou TE Q FA [ Add ] @Ari Sun 4:15
Jared Cook, Ten TE FA [ Add ] Ind Sun 8:20
Zach Miller, Jac TE FA [ Add ] @Sea Sun 4:15
Todd Yoder, Was TE FA [ Add ] @Car Sun 1:00
Kris Wilson, SD TE FA [ Add ] * BYE *
Anthony Fasano, Mia TE FA [ Add ] NYJ Mon 8:30

by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats a lot of names but i like (in order of who i would pick up)

greg olsen
marcedes lewis
kevin boss
jared cook
martellus bennett

all of those guys should be able to be productive at the TE position as far as fantasy numbers go

by GiantsReignSupreme on Oct 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats just the first page, the best of the rest! lol

But i’m assuming Boss isn’t playing and Olsen has a bye, Cook, i believe Scaife is back and Bennett, i know he’s talented, but with Witten and Romo (not too accurate lately) big question mark! Perhaps Lewis is worth exploring for the week. Though i do have Shockey, oops, he plays the Giants next week! Doh!!!! lol

by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no Zach

Zach has a concussion…is not a smart start

i dunno maybe I just like the colors

by Mr.Williams on Oct 9, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oregon vs UCLA

Maurice Jones-Drew vs George Wrighster

http://tightend.blogspot.com/2009/10/oregon-vs-ucla-jones-drew-vs-g3.html

"Don't Be Afraid to Stand on a Pile of 'No's' for one 'Yes'"

by curiousg87 on Oct 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ouch!

and by passing, I mean throwing the ball 10 yards past their receivers on 3 straight plays then punting.

That sums up how I see this game playing out. I think we will see David Carr most of the 2nd half.

by M. on Oct 9, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HEY ED

Why no chat with the Silver an Black Pride this week?

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 9, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Because I'm lazy

Actually, I didn’t see the point in pursuing it after one of the Raider bloggers posted his Fanpost to converse with you guys.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"I see."

Said the blind man.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to his

deaf son.

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of the chat with silver and black pride

after looking in depth at this upcoming matchup I have a few question for the Giants faithful.

Is the high rushing average for Giants opponents a cause for concern?

It kind of seems like it is more just a function of the Dallas game to me and will probably not be a year long problem.

Second, do you feel the Giants may be inflated a bit due to the weak opponents they have faced so far?

I realize your strength of schedule is not increasing any this week.

And for any Giants fans who want to come over for a discussion on SB&P Pride you are more than welcome. I just posted a preview piece on this game and the comments are on thoughts and predictions for the game. Both sides are welcome.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by noontide on Oct 9, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

giants D

for all its strengths i think is more suited to defending the pass, i think the giants have evolved well with the way the league seems to be going, which is away from the run.
the giants have a couple big guys who are able to stuff the run, but took a hit with depth in the A gaps when jay alford went down.

the giants also regularly move justin tuck inside in an effort to get their 3 elite pass rushers in at the same time, and while tuck is a beast against the run osi and kiwi in my opinion don’t handle it quite as well. i think that’s what i miss most about stray, he was a monster against both the run and pass. hopefully we’ll see that from our elite ends a few years down the road.

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Giants opponents

I think its safe to say the Giants are a very strong team this year even though their opponents so far have been weak. In each of those games (with exception to the Dallas game) they controlled the game and dominated on both sides of the ball. This is exactly what you would expect a very good team to do against a weaker team.

I think most would agree the biggest concern we had going into the season was the passing offense and so far it appears very strong. The biggest concern at the moment is the injuries on both offense and defense. If the team can get (and stay) healthy I see no reason why they should not remain the best team in the NFC.

by BigBlue4Life on Oct 9, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dunno

as much as i’d like the saints to be a fluke again this year, they look pretty sound on both sides of the ball. they handled a very good jets team, although that win is mediated by taking advantage of sanchez’s mistakes.

the vikes also look like a powerhouse, think its still too early to label the giants the best in the NFC but its certainly a 3 way conversation. if the giants handle the saints next week and favre breaks down by season end, it’ll all be moot.

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

“mitigated” not “mediated”, before someone jumps on me for poor grammar.

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it wouldn't be grammar

that’d be usage. Ha! scoffs the pedant

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 9, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well you pretty much hit the 2 things I am counting on; Favre breaking down and the Saints falling to earth. I suppose I should edit my statement to the more accurate “If the team can get (and stay) healthy I see no reason why they should not be one of the best teams in the NFC.”

by BigBlue4Life on Oct 9, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

favre

breaking down i think is pretty much going to be a given. i really don’t think the vikes are a well enough coached time to make it to a championship.
the saints i fear are more of a real deal, their defense is scary good even in this first year of transition.

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fantasy TEs

Dante Rosario all the way dude. He had like 8 receptions and 2 TDs in the two weeks before their bye, and he’s being worked more and more into their game plan. And if not him, then Marcedes Lewis who did well against the Titans and can do just as well against the soft Seahawks D. Plus the Jags use their TEs differently than most teams, they throw them bubble screens, use end-around/reverses with them… I think both are better than Miller.

"Manning.... lobbs it! Burress, alone! TOUCHDOOOWN NEW YORK!"

by mahmoodzaky on Oct 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Mmmmm, Rosario?

I wouldn’t trust Delhomme with a nerf football in my backyard at this point! I think my 3 year old would pick him off! lol But, i’m working on the Lewis thing though!

by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i love fantasy football

i have bradshaw and bj starting in a couple of leagues and bradshaw as a flex in most. huge day for giants rb’s

by GiantsReignSupreme on Oct 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stats predictions from a Raiders fan

JaMarcus Russell goes 12 of 26 for 129 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 INT

Michael Bush gets 17 carries for 62 yards

Justin Fargas gets 14 carries for 38 yards

Darrius Heyward-Bey has 1 catch for 66 yards, a long touchdown play that convinces Al Davis his 1970’s offense is just dandy

Eli Manning goes 19 of 30, 201 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

Brandon Jacobs gets 22 carries for 158 yards, 2 TD

Ahmad Bradshaw gets 15 carries for 81 yards

Justin Tuck gets 4 sacks, Osi gets 1, Kiawanuka and Pierce each have 2

Final score: Giants 33-Raiders 19. It’s only that close because the Giants take their foot off the gas the second half. It’ll be 20-3 at halftime.

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn Raybin,

I would have sworn that a Giants fan had written this post. I’m stuck with starting Manningham or Edwards. Don’t know which way to go. Gut tells me to start Braylon.

by njgiant on Oct 9, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I try to keep optimstic

But the Giants are just too good. And we’re, well…….not.

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A good QB

would go a long way. Any talk of bringing Garcia back to actually start. Denver is 4 and 0 but who knows if they can keep it up. Still too early to throw in the towel in the West.

by njgiant on Oct 9, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards

isn’t going to have an impact his 1st game in a new system. Manningham could see some action if Nmanasog is blanketing Smith. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but I don’t do FF.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 9, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was quite a compliment Raybin..I hope your right

njgiant, I would go with Braylon..Mario is an up an comer, but he has a bad case of the “bobbles” right now at this stage of his career

by Bobbiblue on Oct 10, 2009 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, now here's the best case scenario I can muster up

Obtained by drinking gallons and gallons of silver and black kool aid

Russell: 15 of 27 for 153 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Bush: 20 carries, 83 yards, 1 TD

Fargas: 16 carries for 54 yards

DHB gets 2 catches for 79 yards and a TD

Manning goes 18 for 34, 194 yards, 1TD, 1 INT

Jacobs gets 23 carries for 115 yards and 1 TD

Bradshaw gets 15 carries for 67 yards

Tuck gets 3 sacks, Kiawanuka and Pierce get 1 apiece

Giants win 26-20 when a last second Hail Mary fails and crushes our hopes yet again

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh and Seymour and Kelly will get a sack each for Oakland

It should give you Giants fans a window into our franchise when you consider that this is the BEST POSSIBLE performance that I, an eternal optimist wearing S&B glasses, can imagine

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah Seymour was a great pick-up

He will definitely help the Raiders D…Unfortunatley he is going to need help..He’ll draw alot of attention from teams until they beef things up..The thing that bothered me this week was Cable’s comments which basically went like: “We’re not looking at the opposition, we’re focussed on ourselves”…What the heck was that all about?

by Bobbiblue on Oct 10, 2009 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about Murphy?

He seems to me to have a far likelier chance of developing into a productive NFL receiver than DHB ever will. I’m willing to bet his stat line is better at the end of the day.

by TNYFBG on Oct 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no doubt Murphy will have a more productive game

I was just being deeply ironic with my prediction that he’ll catch a long TD pass, which would actually work against us since I’m sure Davis will ignore everything else except that.

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"He" in the above post refers to DHB

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

i was just about to comment on your previous post commending you for your realistic view of the current raiders situation, but then this popped up. i am ALL FOR team loyalty, but at some point as a fan you’ve got to be able to realistically critique your team…i don’t understand what those raider fans see that the rest of us don’t.

i’m a regular at the amazin ave. mets blog on here, which i think is the perfect blend of team loyalty and constructive criticism.

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trust me

I don’t expect the above to happen.

It’s just what I think would happen if all the planets aligned and the Raiders get assisted by invisible elfs and a leprechaun.

I’m virtually certain my first post will be the case.

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that could happen........if we were playing Madden :)

by njgiant on Oct 9, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And you were taking it easy on me!

by Raybin on Oct 9, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What if you have to start a non-Smith Giants receiver?

Because of byes, I have to go with Nicks or Manningham. I was kinda hoping that Asomugha on Smith would open up things for Manningham. Of course, this is assuming that last game was a case of the yips and not a Braylonian trend developing. Then again, Nicks seems a shoe-in for taking a long one to the house…. thoughts?

by TNYFBG on Oct 9, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I thinks Nicks is a shoe-in

for taking that other starting position.

by njgiant on Oct 9, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it all depends on how well the running game goes

And i look at it this way, Eli or no Eli, this might be another vanilla type of offensive plan?! Pound the ball and take a few shots here and there. But, an advantage with Carr, though Nicks has been very limited, is the second team snaps that they may have done together. Just a chemistry thing that Eli has with his big toys and what Carr has with his. Like perhaps if Moss gets in the game! A thought i had after Carr said he was excited about playing with the big toys!

by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't matter

ELi or no Eli Brandon Jacobs will more than likely be running the ball.

Lillie G.

by Lillie on Oct 9, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed

welcome Lil. I’m often wrong but I see the Giants running 60-65% no matter who’s QB.

Also CJ I’m no FF player but, sit the other receivers? If Smith is blanketed by the league’s top corner, don’t you see a good chance for other receivers to make the most of their opportunities, as they have all year?

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 9, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to explain my reasoning

I had a feeling the game would get out of hand early (which I was correct about) and I figured that by the second half the Giants would be relying on the run. I also had no idea who would get more targets between Manningham and Nicks, so I didn’t want to recommend starting one of them only to see the other guy get all the looks. Turns out they both had pretty good games, so I was wrong about that, but I think my reasoning was solid.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 11, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

posted this

as a fanshot but i don’t think anyone makes it that far down the page, so leaving it here too. its just too funny.

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a250aae24394e1d01243a770d640026

by cntrlalt on Oct 9, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well Eli is my backup QB after Brees so...

sorry but I aint gonna follow your advice with this one, no way am I gonna drop one of my star RB backups so I can have one good week at QB without Brees.

It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!

by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 9, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

thats alright

regardless. i chose eli wth the sole idea that he would be my backup qb week 5 when aaron rodgers has the week off. god forbid he’s injured. haha. well hopefully san fran can kick atlantas balls and shaun hill has 3 touchdown passes all to verno davis. we’ll see…

by hocke26 on Oct 10, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs