New York Giants news and notes: David Carr? Really?
by Ed Valentine on Oct 9, 2009 11:01 AM EDT
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What if Eli Manning can't go and David Carr actually has to play quarterback Sunday for our New York Giants against the Oakland Raiders?
Do you guys feel good about Carr driving the Giants' offense? Or, will you squirm uncomfortably every time he drops back to pass?
We know Carr's history of misery in both Houston and Carolina, and we know the Giants brought him to New York hoping to resurrect his shattered confidence. If he has to play, maybe we find out if they have done that, or if those experts who say the Giants are in trouble with Carr taking snaps were correct.
Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride is expressing confidence in Carr. Which is exactly what you would expect him to do.
"I expect him to play well. Last time he played for us for any extensive period when we wanted him to do something was the Minnesota game and I thought he was outstanding. So I would be disappointed if he doesn’t play well because I think he will," Gilbride said.
Gilbride says the game plan won't change if Carr is the quarterback.
"As the game unfolds or as if it looks like there are some things that are not going as you planned or you thought it might, then you scale back and you adjust," Gilbride said. "But we do that if a receiver is not getting open, if the running game is not going as well as it should, if somebody is getting beat in pass protection. But going into it, I would be very disappointed if he doesn’t play well because I think he will."
To be honest, as I write this I still think Eli is playing. But, what about it, gang? Will you still feel good about Sunday if it's Carr under center?
Replacing Boley
When does one equal three or four? When it comes to how the Giants defense tries to replace injured linebacker Michael Boley, that's how.
[Chase] Blackburn technically will replace Boley in the starting lineup, but in reality it will take several people to replace what Boley was able to do. Losing him creates a chain reaction of change throughout the defense.
Because Boley is such an athletic linebacker, he was able to stay on the field in sub packages and help with pass coverage. Now the Giants likely will take the linebacker off the field in those situations and replace him with safety Michael Johnson as the nickel linebacker.
"That was the thing about [Boley] coming in: We knew he was going to be a linebacker who could stay in when we did go sub," Johnson said. "He could stay in and play coverages where normally we used to put a defensive back in."
That means safety Aaron Rouse, who joined the team two weeks ago after Kenny Phillips was put on injured reserve, likely will play more Sunday against the Raiders than he did in the previous two weeks.
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To quote Al
Just win baby!
As long as the Giants are 5-0 with no further injuries I will enjoy my 7 hour flight home Sunday night.
by G Fan in England on Oct 9, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yo brit
I’m always maniacal for the Giants to win, but Sunday I’ll be 111% instead fo my usual 110 knowing you’re in the stands
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 9, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think two things worry me
about David Carr at QB. First, he tends to scramble around more often than Eli. This means that while behind the LOS the offensive linemen are never actually sure where their quarterback is, which makes it tougher to hold your blocks. Second, Carr is reknown for taking drive-killing sacks. We may be able to average 5 YPC in this game, but if we get down to the 35 and Carr takes an eight yard sack, the drive is done.
by rzor on Oct 9, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes he bails out too quick..
Eli slides around in the pocket, while Carr just bails out..that is his problem..He took all the snaps this week, so hopefully he sticks with the pocket..and uses his quickness to stay in the pocket and moves around inside of it, makes his reads and throws..He has a great arm..But he bails out and gives half the field away….That’s IF he starts..This could be a big test for him to see if he has a shot at a starting job next year somewhere..again IF he starts.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always wondered
what does LOS stand for. It’s in Maddn but I have no idea what it is.
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will.
The Giants have seen both sides of the #1 QB going down, with Hoss taking over successfully and YA forced to play with torn ligaments because his backup couldn’t handle the task. I think Carr can do what he’s payed for doing.
The most remarkable backup QB story I remember is Tom Matte. A mediocre but tough backup HB who probably averaged less than ten yards per game over the course of his career (and yet ran wild in a SB game), he played QB in college. Unitas went down, then his backup. Matte played QB the last two games and did unbelievably well under the circumstances. The Colts lost a playoff game to GB on a missed FG incorrectly scored as good. There were no replays then and the mistake wasn’t realized until film made it clear. That FG might have been the greatest screwing of all time for in NFL history
by blue gonz on Oct 9, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Matte was the first QB to wear a cue card with
the plays on his wrist. Those were the days when the QB called the plays, not the coach.
by TerraByte on Oct 9, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he was the first, but that's what they did.
Unitas would never accept play calling from the sideline. Paul Brown did it first I think, using a shuttle system with an OG. He introduced two platoons as well. When you think of those old timers playing two ways for sixty minutes it’s very impressive. Giff played CB before HB. He made AllPro at three positions, CB, HB and flanker.
by blue gonz on Oct 9, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I remember Matte QB-ing
He was one tough customer that guy..and that Field Goal in GB was a terrible call by the refs.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carr
I think Carr will surprise us. As I have said before – I would much rather Eli sit this week than in January. Does anyone know if Eli has been practicing?
But I want to ask another question. Let’s say Carr does start. Would Eli suit up as backup, or would we bring Bomar up?
by NYERinSF on Oct 9, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't bring Bomar up
Eli may not start but i think he could go in a pinch. I don’t know if Bomar would clear wavers again if the Giants wanted to return hiom to the practice squad. If Carr plays, I would concentrate on the run and short high-percentage passes until he gets his rhythm.
by TerraByte on Oct 9, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remains to be seen
I think Bomar only gets added from the practice squad if Eli can’t play under any circumstances.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 9, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli practiced today
Carr took the first 5 snaps, Eli took the rest. He even led the team in sprints — according to a report on WFAN.com
by da cut on Oct 9, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carr
Good post buddy! I believe that Eli Manning will start but if he can’t go, I think David Carr will do a good job backing him up. All he has to do is manage the game, hand the ball off and let the defense win the game. It will be interesting to see what happens and if Eli can’t start, I will begin to worry.
GO NY GIANTS!!
by RDomaine on Oct 9, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders are terrible. I’m not worried about David Carr at QB. We should beat the Raiders even if David Lee Roth was our QB.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 9, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome.
The Raiders would blitz and he’d just reach down…between his legs…ease the seat back…
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some Diamond Dave
The fact that he was able to get in that spandex is ridonkulous
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 9, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against the Raiders?
I feel just fine about DCarr starting. Against, say, the Saints or Eagles, hell no. Carr is still scarred from the absolute beating he took in Texas behind a garbage OLine. It’s mental with him and the bailing out. If he can get it in his head that he has a great line in front and 2 RBs that can block well, he can play a good, if not great, game. Personally, I think whether it’s a hobbling Eli or Carr back there, we can expect 50 handoffs and a whole lotta ball control. I think the saving grace for Carr is that Oakland doesn’t have a dominant pass rusher (unless you count Seymour, which I don’t at this age and with marginal talent around him) that he’s already scared about in his head.
by TNYFBG on Oct 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried either way
Part of me kinda wants Eli to sit out just to see if the Giants can still beat an inferior team. Look at the Eagles they lost McNabb and still dominated the Chiefs. Of course they got beat down by the Saints.
by John W on Oct 9, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's an interesting question
If you have any doubts about Carr starting, consider this:
All you have to do is switch Carr and Russell. Russell starting for the Giants! How would this make you feel about the Giants chances? Would the Giants win?
by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good question Hoot..
The answer is a resounding “NO”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, I'm trying to put this into another perspective
We all have some degree of doubt, or paranoia about Carr, so i needed a worse case scenario to come back to reality. This may solidify what i’m going for and we don’t have it as bad as some may think (if Carr starts). Besides, we have our running game and our D too (minus Boley)!
Memo to Carr: just manage the game, protect the ball and everything else should take care of itself!
by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Carr does start and has a great game I'd trade him now, get someting for him..
..and bring Bomar up..
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting that if
Carr shreds Oakland, and JMR has a 6 out of 30 for 50 yards, 3 picks and is sacked 6 times, Al might trade for Carr? We couldn’t possibly do that to Carr, could we?! He might opt for early retirement! lol
by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they had a quarterback
they’d be a good team.. mark my words
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 9, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start Carr
There’s a lot of reasons to start Carr. To give Eli the rest he needs in a game where he isn’t really needed. To give Carr real game practice in case he’s needed down the road. To give everyone a chance to see what Carr is capable of.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 9, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's been reprted that
Eli is testing the foot in practice today so the question may be moot. But for my two cents, I think Carr would be just fine agaginst the Raiders, and it would be good to get him some meaningful game experience to help build up the team’s confidence in him, if , heaven forbid, he’s needed later in the season. If a week’s rest would help Eli’s heel heal more quickly or more thoroughly and make him healthier later in the season, then I’d like to see his time be minimized this Sunday. On the other hand, if he’s not going to increase the severity of the injury by playing this week, and if he can play at a reasonable level of effectiveness, then he should probably start.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 9, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this injury Eli has..
Is it doesn’t go away if it is a severe case..Hopefully it is not, but he is going to have to play with it all year..It doesn’t disappear / heal in one week..If the pain lessens he’ll probably go on Sunday..but it is a lingering nagging type of injury..that he will have to deal with for a long time..Every time you put constant weight on it, it will flare up..We’ll see..maybe it is a minor version..but I doubt it..that really hurts.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giants point spread...still worth taking?
New to posting but not to BBV. Regardless of which QB starts, the Giants are 15 1/2 point favorites in Vegas. Seeing that we’re playing the Raiders, do you still think the Giants will cover the spread if Carr starts? Have to put my bets in before Sunday so your views are helpful! Thanks.
by telcochik on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants BARELY covered 9 1/2 against KC..
And that was with a healthy Eli.
The Giants are certainly not known for blowouts, and they are very much known for there ability to make bad teams look good.
But Oakland is really terrible, and our defense will probably get more points than there offense so I’d say 15 1/2 is a safe bet.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 9, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Tito, how's that hangover? Did you sleep it off, or did you bite back at what bit you? lol
by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude it was bad.
I slept it off until about 2:30 than had a few Buds with some sloppy Five Guys Burgers and Fries for the ultimate cure…felt like a champ in time for the Sox game, which of course made me want to go right back to the bottle…
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be the odds makers don't care who starts
That by itself may speak a certain volume? Or it’s a trap to get more betting on the dog if Carr starts! But i would generally look at it across the whole spectrum. The Giants are at home for the first time in 3 weeks, and i’m sure they’re going to be fired up. Also, if Oakland is as terrible as talked about, this could be an ugly game for them. Plus, if it’s true, the Raiders are without 3 OL? Giants front 4 anyone, leading to more uglyness for them!
But, if i had to pick within the spread. Giants: 31-10!
by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, i think thats why i quit playing years ago
Some bars required you to pick all of the games. It’s tough going with or against your own team! On any given Sunday crap always seems to bite you in the butt!
by Hootman on Oct 9, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over the many years I've learned to never ever
Take the Giants point spread..I just want them to win..I wouldn’t put alot of money on a point spread bet with them..
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Eli prob. starting
I’ve alway been in the minority here with a lot of confidence in Carr. There’s a lot of weapons around him here and I think the Giants cover the spread with him as starter… which he won’t be. I also believe he’ll be starting for some NFL team next year, or at the very least competing for a starting job in camp somewhere
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 9, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eli's going to go
It’s being reported in several outlets that Eli practiced today & looked fine.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2009/10/manning-is-questionable-after.html
by potroast on Oct 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Carr gets post traumatic stress disorder flashbacks every time he drops back to pass
You know, he takes a few steps back, he starts to sweat, it gets loud, things get fuzzy and warped, all of a sudden he pictures that he’s still on the Texans and about to be sacked 18 times a game, so he freaks out, jumps around awkwardly and either checks the ball down or throws it away… lol.
But honestly I think he can play well after having practiced with the 1st team all week. He does have the skill set to be a good QB again, and I think he would show up to play if he was needed this week. But I would put money on Eli starting… he’s too tough of a dude not to start and you can’t underestimate sibling rivalry, he wants to break Peyton’s consecutive start record one day whether or not he would ever admit that as a factor. Plus this offense runs on the chemistry Eli has with Steve Smith, and with Boss out and Manningham having struggled last game, I think Eli feels that he needs to be running this game for us to get the win.
"Manning.... lobbs it! Burress, alone! TOUCHDOOOWN NEW YORK!"
by mahmoodzaky on Oct 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..It a shame they didn't put a line around him..
He was / is talented but he’s punch drunk.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sintim
I’m excited that I might finally get to see Cling in action.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That would be huge with Boley out.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sintim is going to be an absolute beast
he looked inhuman during preseason
"Manning.... lobbs it! Burress, alone! TOUCHDOOOWN NEW YORK!"
by mahmoodzaky on Oct 10, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Sintim a go?
I know he practiced this week, but don’t know how much though? Honestly, i haven’t seen him play, or highlights, so i’m interested in seeing him.
If he is a go, what about using Sintim and Kiwi in sub packages? Taking Blackburn and Clark out? But i thought i seen somewhere the Giants using M. Johnson as the nickel LB and Rouse the S. If that’s the case, i would prefer it the other way around!
by Hootman on Oct 10, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust Carr
waayyyyyy more than i trusted Jared Lorenzen
by LosGiantes08 on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why would Gilbride adjust the game plan?
He doesn’t do it for weather, why would he do it for personnel?
by queler on Oct 9, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just read Eli ran in drills today.
David Carr will be playing “Burger King Drive Thru Register” position with his little headset again.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 9, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes I see where he ran today
That is encouraging news!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a big test
For his heel and could very well tell the story on whether he can go on Sunday..We’ll have to keep an eye out tommorrow to see what they have to say about it.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 9, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they rest eli...
the raiders are a really bad team, the saints were forced to sit their starters in the second quarter of the third preseason game. our second stringers gave them more than they could handle.
i think ya’ll will start eli (to keep his streak going) than pull him early. hopefully ya’ll will run the ball most of the time he is under center.
by r c a on Oct 9, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh well
at least were playing oakland, personally i am looking forward to seeing carr. we have the ultimate offense and defense for a rookie qb. but we dont have a rookie qb. we have a veteran. so, honestly, i would be shocked if we lost. we have the ultimate supporting cast to win with a qb who is questionable
by hocke26 on Oct 10, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In Jerry we trust
Carr is there for a reason. I believe that if he wasn’t up to it he would have been gone a long time ago. Over the last couple of years there must have been opportunities to replace him. He has to step up, and I believe he can do it if required. I don’t think he will fail, but if he does it leaves us up s*** creek without a paddle for the rest of the season, Eli could go down any time and we have to have a credible replacement. Good that he gets to have a trial against the Raisins rather than next week.
by Johannus on Oct 10, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Carr
I don’t think the Giants coaching staff would have David Carr on the roster if he wasn’t up to the job of filling in for Eli now and then, after all that’s what he is a backup. I think the Giants should start Eli for a series then bring in Carr.
by 7mike on Oct 10, 2009 6:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that if
After yesterday’s practice, Eli shows no signs of swelling in that foot today, than he’ll start..If not, than I’m not concerned about Carr..as long as he sticks to the game plan and doesn’t bail-out..He’s giving up half the field when he does that.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 10, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
It sounds like Eli will be ready to play, but I have to admit, I’m just curious to see Carr play a whole game and how he would perform. It seems like the perfect opportunity.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 10, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let carr play
his life sucks in context to the nfl. you guys r stupid if you dont think hes praying he gets a shot tomoro. hes a lil rusty. and the other team isnt that good. its a good matchup
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 11, 2009 3:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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