The Giants have a lot to feel good about
by Ed Valentine on Oct 6, 2009 7:45 AM EDT
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Put aside all your worries about Eli Manning and his plantar fasciitis for just a few minutes. Or, your severe case of Lawrence Tynes Anxiety Disorder. Let's just stop and think about where our New York Giants are a quarter of the way through the 2009 NFL season.
The Giants have suffered more than their fair share of injuries in the still-young season. They have gotten little real return from the $83 million free-agent triumvirate of Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard and Michael Boley, and Boley may now be back on the shelf with a knee injury. Aaron Ross hasn't played. Budding star Kenny Phillips is gone for the year. No. 1 pick Hakeem Nicks has made just two catches. The defensive line has been good, but you get the feeling not nearly as good as it could be. On offense, you can say the same about the running game. The Giants still haven't figured out how to consistently score touchdowns in the Green Zone. Then, of course, there is Tynes.
Yet, here are the Giants at 4-0 and being considered in many quarters as the best team in football at the season's quarter-pole. Ah, yes, it is a wonderful time to be a Giants fan.
Here is a quick synopsis of the Giants from The Sporting News.
It still looks like the team Sporting News picked to win the Super Bowl, and until displaced the Giants are better than all the rest. New York's offensive and defensive lines, as expected, remain the league's premier fronts, and Steve Smith and Mario Manningham have answered their wide receiver questions.
You have to be impressed by what the Giants have accomplished thus far in 2009 despite having a somewhat depleted roster and in many ways not yet playing as well as they potentially could.
Sure, you can say the last two victories, against the Bucs and Chiefs, were against teams that are barely NFL caliber. Throw in the impressive victory in Dallas on opening night of JerryWorld, and that is three straight road victories. I don't care who they are against, that is an impressive feat in the NFL. In fact, since 1990 107 NFL teams have played three straight road games, and only eight have swept all three.
Since the beginning of the 2007 season, the Giants are 15-4 on the road. Incredible. The Giants are not they flashiest team in the league, but they are a mature team with a strong belief in themselves.
"It all starts at the top," defensive tackle Barry Cofield said. "Coach Coughlin prides himself on winning on the road. He’s so diligent, he’s so precise, he has us prepare on the road as if we were at home. It starts with him and it trickles down to the coaches and we have leadership that won’t allow us to fall asleep on the road. Honestly, we were in a similar situation last year against Cleveland. We started fast and went out there and got beat badly, so we reflected back on that and used that to guide us today."
Here is SI.com's Peter King discussing the Giants.
1. The Giants might or might not be the best team in football, but I can tell you this: They're the deepest.
"Jerry Reese is a psychic, I think,'' Justin Tuck said from Kansas City, where the Giants had ho-hummed a 27-16 win over the Chiefs. It's the second straight week New York toyed with a bad team, and the Giants have won their four games by an average of 11 points.
Reese, the Giants' GM, made two good decisions in the off season. He fortified the defensive line beyond what seemed to be smart, going seven strong players deep. "So early in camp, when we lost [defensive tackle] Jay Alford, who was going to have a breakout year, we didn't panic,'' Tuck said. "And we've been without some of our best players -- [safety] Kenny Phillips, [cornerback] Aaron Ross, [defensive lineman] Chris Canty -- and today was [corner] Kevin Dockery's first game. When we get most of our guys back, we're going to be really good.''
But that's the thing -- in the NFL, you never have a full complement of players. Or very rarely. That's why Reese built, in my opinion, the best 53-man roster in the league, and Tom Coughlin has no fear in playing young players to develop them.
On offense, Reese eschewed dealing for a veteran receiver like Anquan Boldin or Braylon Edwards, knowing that dealing for either would not only have cost a high draft choice, but also about $10 million a year. The Giants instead have a productive quarterback, Eli Manning, playing smart football and have three budding receivers -- Steve Smith (24), Mario Manningham (23) and Hakeem Nicks (20) -- who have combined for an average of 197 yards and two touchdown catches a game ... with none of the Plaxico Burress headaches that came with that star. We'll start to find out how good the Giants are Oct. 18, when they visit the Saints, with New Orleans coming off its bye. Tough place to play, at a tough time.
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Love being a Giants fan right now.
Every aspect of the team that is not playing well…..yea, aside from Tynes…..in all likelyhood is gonna get better when the injured come back.
Ware is really gonna make it a 3-headed monster at RB. I know Gartrell looks good when he’s in there, but I wouldn’t think they trust him enough with the offense to make him play meaningful snaps.
The run defense obviously too. I don’t know what to expect from Sintim cuz he’s a rook, but I’d like to think that Canty, Ross, Boley (ANOTHER DAMN INJURY…MOTHER F#$Ker!!…..) will come back and make a differenct.
Did I mention I’m pissed about Boley being out? The guy was all over the damn field, why the hell does he have to be on crutches and out for a ‘few weeks’?
I mean, he is more of a pass defender type LB, so its really not like he’s gonna help much against the Raiders….so maybe I can see resting him this week and coming back against Dat Saints?
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
....
and from when they actually play, Canty, Bernard, Boley and CC Brown all look like money well spent.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I think the jury is still out on CC, but I believe you will be right for the most part.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 6, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The jury might still be out.
I know you HATED this guy in preseason Ed, but he’s done his job so far…gotta give him a little credit for not being exposed for what you thought he was gonna be.
He even stripped someone Sunday, don’t remember who, don’t think it was LJ, but he stripped ’em clean.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
actually, given that he’s been the most healthy and has only pissed Giants fans off in the preseason, when even that doesn’t matter, CC has actually been the best of the bunch so far.
I know Boley when he plays has damn near been an Armstead like presence out there, and Bernard has been Rocky solid, but CC has been solid out there too.
I know who we’re facing too, but I’m sure he’s out there a lot and I haven’t seen him torched yet. He’s very strong on the run D tho, I think he might even be better than Phillips in that regard.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanx, ed
for putting things in perspective.
I hereby resign the job of “Nattering Nabob of Negativity.”
by NYer in a strange land on Oct 6, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy
Picture Snoopy doing his dance and you have a picture of this Giant fan. Injuries plague us and every other team but the Giants overcome them(Reese=genius).
by 7mike on Oct 6, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best Heavily injured team EVER!
If these guys ever get healthy, they’ll have a pretty good team!
I actually thought this had the potential to be the best Giants team ever. Right now, they look good, but I’m concerned about the injury situation. They’ll be good regardless, but I can’t see them in the Big Show in Feb unless they get their D healthy.
Amazing how the receiver situation that was so overhyped pre-season has gone from being considered the teams weak point to being a major strength. If Ham’s hands improve it’s going to be really hard to cover these guys.
by Wide_right on Oct 6, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ham hands
LOL
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best team ever
Before Kenny went on IR, I thought it was the best team since the Frank Gifford era.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 6, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Was Not Alive During the Frank Gifford Era
However, the 1986 Giants were not only the greatest team in franchise history, they were one of the greatest teams in NFL history. They went 17-2, won their final 12 games of the year, and won their 3 playoff games by an average margin of victory of 27 points. At the end of that year they became a steamroller that crushed opponents. If they were in the league today, Roger Goodell would have a heart attack at the way their defense mangled quarterbacks. The 1986 Giants knocked 8 QB’s out of the game, and the hit Jim Burt put on Joe Montana in the playoffs is still to this day one of the most violent hits I have ever seen.
I saw an interview with Bill Walsh after he retired, and he was asked about the 49-3 spanking the Giants gave to the Niners in the playoffs. Walsh said that no team he had ever been associated with in his life had ever been beaten so badly. He also said he felt the 1986 Giants were one of the 3 or 4 best teams in NFL history.
by Be Driven on Oct 8, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that team doesn't get nearly the respect they deserve
probably because they came just a year after the ’85 Bears. But, I mean, they DESTROYED the 49ers (who were right in the middle of winning 4 championships in 8 years), DESTROYED the Redskins (who would win their second of 3 championships in 9 years the following season), and DESTROYED the Broncos (who lost the first of 3 championships in 4 years).
If LT hadn’t gone to drug rehab and came out fully ready to go for that game against Dallas, that team probably goes 15-1 and is maybe considered the best ever.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great time to be a fan
Giants in the penthouse, Cowboys in the outhouse. Good Tynes……….I mean, good times!
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I believe it is only the beginning of this era.
I count 2009 as year two only because I separate the era of Strahan which culminated in a Superbowl.
Eli is now the undisputed leader and Coughlin and Reese are in full control of the character of the team that surrounds Eli.
The squad is super young! look at how many picks since 2006 are playing significant roles. Just amazing scouting and development. The WR, RB,DB, OL, and DL core is the best in the league and is stocked with young pro bowl level talent.
by Major on Oct 6, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else hear Mike Tirico say the Vikings have the best DL in football last night? I disagree. Whats he basing that on?
by ryanwk628 on Oct 6, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably Jared Allen's
4.5 Sacks against the Packers, and they have two BEAST tackles…we might have more depth, but they have a phenomenal line.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
They are good..they get to the QB..but we’ll be fine, pressure and hits are just as good as sacks.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no doubt in my mind we have the best D-Line in football...
Just pointing out that the statement Tirico made is not as far off base as one might think.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not off base...
and given the inconsistent Eagles D-Line so far, which to me always will rival the Giants simply cuz of their D-philosophy, I really think the Vikings D-Line, is up there too.
Actually its their front 7 that is pretty astonishing out there. Chad Greenway is a hell of a LB, EJ Hendseron ditto (he knocked Ryan Clark out at the goaline, ground caused teh fumble, but it was cuz Clark was knocked into next week). Ben Leber is very good
Now the LB’s are probably that good cuz of the wall of Williams taking up all that space, but thats what its abouts isn’t it?
Count in Antoine Winfield?
Yea, the Vikings D is legit. I know Farve and AD get all teh pub, but if they go anywhere its cuz of that D.
And that’s not even taking account Monday’s game either. The Packers O-line is in shambles.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in an earlier post..
It is like we have two NFL caliber teams packed into one..I have never seen so much talent on one team..When this team gets healthy we will be invincible, and JR is going to have a heck of a time keeping them all..As I said, hopefully they will all want to be part of the dance for years to come…this is the most “Talent rich” team we ever had!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Next year three guys come off of injured reserve and we get a whole new draft class. How could they ever make room for all of them?
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 6, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Alford, KP, and who?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too right.
IMHO, we haven’t even seen our best receivers play yet. Nicks is just getting started, Hixon’s really really good, Barden hasn’t stepped on the field. Ham is a very nice surprise; Steve Smith is just being Steve Smith. He’s getting open because everyone’s keying on Jacobs. We will be a monster if we can just get healthy.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Oct 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Smith is our best WR.
Period. I’ve watched on replay and heard what the players themselves said about it. Smith knows how to get open.
I mean if he ever learns how to turn off the whole ‘catch and fall’ mode, he’ll be Jerry Rice good….
Smith is young and gonna get better. He is our best WR. Ever see that Reggie Wayne guy? Not really even the fastest WR in the game, definitely not the biggest.
The way Wayne and Big Bro are on the same page is what we are seeing with Steve Smith and Eli.
Watch these 2 win all kinds of stuff together. We have our WR. Remember these days of Eli Manning and Steve Smith.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Smith...
Loves Eli. He loves Eli’s ball placement on passes…I remember reading something he said along the lines of Eli does a great job of reading his body language and always puts it right where he needs too. These things can’t be taught.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith Goes Over the Middle
For most of his catches. He better get down on those or he will get killed. A reciever can really only catch and run when they are on the outside or over the top.
by Be Driven on Oct 8, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a long season
I am pretty excited about this cake schedule for the first part of the season. I hope they rest as many players as possible this week. I really cant wait for the saints game, this will be a huge game for the defense. I am really not too concerned with the offense and their production so far. I would like to think Eli and the rest should be able to move the ball on any defense.
oops I crapped my pants!
by TheWenz on Oct 6, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay I'll play the part of Mr. Negativity.
I think it is great the team has performed so well through adversity, and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the Tampa and KC games. My concern is that with so many injuries, the starters haven’t had an opportunity to build the chemistry and teamwork most teams will already have in place by midseason. Even if they’re healthy, once the team steps into the deep end of the schedule will they be ready to go full speed? It’s like when a player misses the entire preseason and then starts the first week, you can tell they’re not really playing at 100% even when they’re totally healthy. We have that situation potentially playing itself out at several positions. The Giants are 4-0 and incredibly lucky to have had the schedule break the way it did at this point in the season, but teams that have multiple injuries in their starting line-up rarely make a lot of noise come playoff time for a reason.
by rzor on Oct 6, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Okay I'll play the part of Mr. Negativity."
Something new for a change…
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, I'm enjoying
these halcyon days as much as anyone else, and as I’ve said before I’m more impressed with this team at this point in the season than I was last year.
by rzor on Oct 6, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Than again...
Somebody has to do it haha
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Parcells will tell you
That luck plays a major role in winning
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...schedule break the way it did..."
Wow. I’m not sure how to read that. Is it because they went 4-0, or because it was so easy?
I would argue that going into the season, most people would have looked at that 3 game road trip against Dallas (preseason fav for the division and SB), TB (considered a Playoff contenter) and an improved KC team, and said the Giants will be lucky to come out of those 3 games at 2-1. With WAS to lead it off, I’ll bet a lot of people had the Giants at 2-2 here.
Not an easy schedule from where I’m sitting. Just considering the odds of going 3-0 on a three game road trip, it’s truly something special that they are 4-0.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
injuries, the future, resting vs. Oakland
in reverse order:
A victory vs. Oakland counts equally as a victory in New Orleans, despite how we as fans might feel. I’m for taking it slow and being healthy late in the season, but let’s not forget we still have to beat Oakland, and that is not a gimme. We SHOULD beat Oakland, but they’re going to fight tooth and nail to not let that happen, at their full strength.
Can anybody tell me whose contracts expire after this season (besides David Carr)?
This injury list is downright sick and it’s probably thanks to the slow-starting sched. that the Giants are on top of the football world right now — OK not John Clayton’s football world, but ours. In any event, I can hardly imagine what this team will do IF they reach full strength this season. I am going to start going back to church, just to pray for that to happen.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every player we have
That has had to step in from the bench has done a magnificent job..That will only make us stronger down the stretch.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the coaching staff has them prepared
They seem to be more than aware that a win is a win no matter who it’s against. I’m glad to hear Cofield talk about last year’s Browns game. This team knows what it wants to do, and how to do it. We’ve really become a well-run organization.
by YankeeDudeL on Oct 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know All of Them
But here are some players whose contracts are expiring:
David Carr
Fred Robbins
Barry Cofield
Sinorice Moss
CC Brown (I believe he was only signed for one year)
Gerris Wilkinson
If there is no new CBA, Cofield, Moss, and Wilkinson will not be eligible for UFA.
by Be Driven on Oct 8, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli
I think they should rest Eli against the Raiders. If the team is not good enough to win with Carr, they don’t deserve to win. It’s a long season. Let Eli play one set to preserve his streak.
by Babu on Oct 6, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Playing one set would taint the streak
in much the same way that the perception of a gift sack tainted Strahan’s record.
by rzor on Oct 6, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just let him start and see how it goes
If we’re up by 3 TDs at the half, let Carr start the 2nd. This should be just like the TB game, heavy dose of ground game, a few timely play-actions for the big scores, hold the ball over 40 minutes on offense, watch JaMarcus’s throws and wonder how you ever complained that Eli was an ‘inaccurate’ passer.
by TNYFBG on Oct 6, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's counterintuitive
if this is a stress injury, 35 minutes of game play will be LESS harmful than practicing all week.
Better he take practice easy and play Sunday. I think we’re overblowing this b/c things are so good. Think of how when you get in a fight and you get punched in the face a few times. That shit hurts, but it doesn’t hurt while you’re fighting. It hurts AFTER. I think Eli will be fine with some ordinary pain mitigation, and that stress could be reduced by minimizing practice reps. And yes, I am a medical expert from reading about plantar fasciitis on the Web.
p.s. I have not been punched in the head in 4 years, and then it was all to the top of the dome while trying to get a single-leg takedown in a narrow alley (big bastard kept bouncing off the walls, but it was over in about 60 seconds thanks to the trusty guillotine choke.) Funny thing was, the next day when I checked out the scene the dude had lost a bootsole in the scuffle. Ha ha, alley-mugging wannabee, you LOST the price of a pair of boots.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No harm in being cautious.
I don’t like it that the pop came when Eli was throwing. Could be the wear and tear leading to it comes from the way he throws. It could be something was just a bit off on his mechanics on the throw leading to some awkward tic that led to the strain. The decision rests with those closest to the problem. I have every expectation it will be correct.
by blue gonz on Oct 6, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask yourself this question
If Carr starts, or plays the rest of the game after the first series and loses the game, why in the hell does Oakland deserve to win, with Russell? David Carr is our backup to Eli, and Eli gives us the best chance to win. If Carr was elsewhere and either did fine or miserable, well that’s the other teams problem! This is the Giants, not Oakland, Cleveland or St. Louis!
If Eli can manage this, then by all accounts, he should start. How the flow of the game goes should dictate whether or not Carr plays!
by Hootman on Oct 6, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...a great Giants era."
Ditto
“…one of the best runs in Giants history..”
Ditto.
“best team since Frank Gifford era.”
Ditto.
And every indication is:
The best era, the best run, the best team as the future unfolds. Remember in the Glory Years we played in five championship games and won but one. We’ve already won one in this era
Don’t hyperventilate.
Relax and enjoy.
All will be well
by blue gonz on Oct 6, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just took an (internet) stroll over to the Raiders SBN site
let me tell you, we are the luckiest fans in the NFL (ok, maybe the Colts and Steelers fans have an argument, but whoever wins, we all win). That place is an abyss – they just have no hope for their team whatsoever. It’s really sad, actually. And here we are having a heated debate about…our KICKER. Life is good for a Giants fan in 2009
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The good life my friend
When all we have to argue about is the kicker, you know we are sitting pretty. What’s our next spat going to be about, replacing the NY logo on the helmets with GIANTS logo.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope not
I did not know about the NY (was always the GIANTS block lettering when I started watching), but once it came back I was sold on it instantly. It looks so much better.
by brisulph on Oct 6, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARRRGGGHHHHH!!!
I hated that! sigh But in all honesty it did grow on me after a couple of years. Still prefer the ny though.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The old unis hurt my eyes
Looking on youtube classic 80’s games, and I couldn’t tell at first it was the giants.
Heck, even the presentation of the game has evolved so much. 1st down lines, scores on the top, it’s much better to the eyes.
I’ve probably annoyed G’fan since ’56 though with that though
by Willgfass on Oct 6, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru dat
The raiduhs will not win this game. There is no way Jamarcus Russell is ready to face a “grown man team”. Sorry Simms but this game is a gimme. We are so much better at every facet of the game. It’s not if we win but by how many this week
by wangstu13 on Oct 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to quote myself
“We SHOULD beat Oakland”
even if the Giants win 56-0, I’ll still say it wasn’t a gimme, because I don’t believe there are gimmes in the NFL, just games you should win.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Michigan vs. Appalachian State should have been a gimme, but it wasn’t. Any given Sunday
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Daily news is
reporting that Eli is undergoing a second opinion..I don’t know about you guys, but I have been nervous since Sunday..Again this is a serious injury..If we lose him we are basically screwed.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not ready to throw in the towel just yet.
Even if Eli has to sit a week or two.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else want to lose to Oakland this week
so we don’t have the undefeated label going into NO, AZ, Philly & SD?
Not that I don’t think they can handle the label. But I don’t think I can. A lot of us already have too much Lawrenceterol in our arteries from nail-biting thru a Tynes chip shot. Toting around an undefeated record won’t help our BP.
But seriously, I thought flying under everyone’s radar and being the underdog really helped during the ’07 run.
Nobody likes to lose but a let down against Oakland could really make us “hungry” for the “meat” part of our schedule.
by Jaybat on Oct 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chill out
I think everybody is blowing this up way beyond proportion. Eli will be fine, he will only need to play the first half anyways.
Id worry about everybody else on the injury report this week, or the kicking situation.
oops I crapped my pants!
by TheWenz on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe we are blowing this out of proportion...
We’ll know the severity probably tommorrow..I had it, and some other guy out here had it..and it hurts big-time. You can hardly walk. Let’s hope it is minor..but I have my doubts…It is like weight lifting..the pain arrives two days later.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i mean this
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/10/ny_giants_eli_manning_hoping_t.html
oops I crapped my pants!
by TheWenz on Oct 6, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli
I can’t believe all you fans don’t have enough faith in the Giants and the rest of the personnel to think that we can’t win against Oakland without Eli. Teams with quarterbacks less good than Carr have done it—-and not with the great other personnel we have.
by Babu on Oct 6, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not 1 person said we couldn't win in Oakland without Eli
In fact, a lot of people have said the opposite
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's really happening
I’ve had plantar fasciitis a couple of times (including currently), from hoops the first time and running on the road now. I’ve read and it’s my experience that it’s worst when I first wake up in the morning and eases up as the day progresses (as long as I don’t run on it). It’s something that responds to rest, anti-inflammatory practices, and PT. I don’t believe—and one of the articles implied this—that it happened all of a sudden against KC. I’m just really shocked that the Giants with all their resources couldn’t get this taken care of before it got this bad. And I don’t think they are quite tellings us all the truth about it.
If it was me, I most likely wouldn’t play in the game on Sunday. I’d give it the rest it needs to start to recover. However, I don’t play in the NFL. The members of the team really expect one another to give it 110% at all times and play through pain routinely. That’s one of the things that’s making them great this year, even with all the injuries. I think Manning will display that same warrior attitude and play and Sunday, not because we need him to win (I doubt that) but because he wants to show everyone how it’s done.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 6, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cant figure out how to start a new post
From my phone so ill post this here. Found this on dawgs by nature: http://mobile.dawgsbynature.com/2009/10/5/1071201/braylon-edwards-accused-of-assault
Apparently braylon Edwards isn’t to fond of lebron James and someone had to pay with a punch to the face! I’d say we avoided plaxico 2 with not trading for this cat. So I guess this in a way fits with this thread of things to be thankful of. Thank god this man is not a giant!
by wilddre22 on Oct 6, 2009 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Whew...
Thank the football GODS that the Giants did not deal Steve Smith for Edwards—Another reason why I think Jerry Reese is the best GM in football, hands down.
by True Blue Phil on Oct 6, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not even close right now
I don’t know if JR has a crystal ball or whatever, but the guy has a way of really looking into the future. So far, he has been King Midas.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boley out 4 weeks...had surgery this morning...
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Oct 6, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the giants should draft a frickin surgeon
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's getting to the point
where i’m not even celebrating victories anymore…i’m just holding my breath and waiting to hear who got injured next.
I mean, after we beat KC I had a sick feeling…obviously my concern was for Eli but sure enough Boley comes out w/ a serious injury.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Oct 6, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry...
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/10/ny_giants_linebacker_michael_b.html
espn reporting it too…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Oct 6, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli
After seeing the way Eli ran the offense so well at Jerry’s World grand opening. Just think of it, this is one of our biggest rivals, a sold out mega stadium on the road. He went there and from the first drive, took it to the Boy’s. I am feeling real good about this team.
by rbman3 on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blame me!
I am flying out to the game on Sunday and begining to think I am behind all this bad luck!
I am hoping for a win and a 4th qtr without any stress or delays as I am flying home 7.30 Sunday evening!
by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you'll probably bring us some luck!
I hope you have a safe trip..and an enjoyable game to think about on the way home!!..Bob
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout this
we go for it on all 4th downs inside the 25 this way tynes won’t miss the “chipshots” hes supposed to make and just let him bang in the 45 yarders problem solved next question!!!!!!!!! and i blame u G fan hahahah
by lou b on Oct 6, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Road Warriors
The 15-4 road record is regular season only; throw in the 3 playoff wins on the road from 2007 (4 if you count the Super Bowl) and the Giants have won 18 of their last 22 on the road.( 19 of 23 if you include the Super Bowl). That is an 83% road winning percentage, with the NFL average being 43%.
by Brian F on Oct 6, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion...
Eli plays better without Plax or a NO 1 reciever, he doesn’t seem to rely on anyone, so he looks at every guy and puts the ball in the best spot. Maybe Reese knew that….
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 6, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And as FreeBradshaw pointed out ...
if we all stop calling Steve Smith a “possession” receiver, he may get out of the “catch and fall” mode, rack up some YAC adn be worthy of a No. 1 receiver designation. Anyway, I hope Eli doesn’t zero in to much on any one guy and continues to spread it around.
As for Eli playing, isn’t that type of injury something they can numb up a bit to help manage the pain, without it affecting his mobility, as it sounds more like connective tissue than muscular ?
by Shofner85 on Oct 6, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Catch and fall" works fine
I’m happy to see Smith making 10 catches and falls a game – as long as he’s on the right side of the first-down marker. Helps keep him healthy. He’s getting hit a lot, when he’s the “go to” receiver every Sunday.
by Ay Carumba on Oct 7, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic..
I just checked out the Cowboys site..They actually handed out game balls..Geezus, I coach little league and handed out my first two games balls this season..We were down 13-8, and I gave one to a player who I put in to pitch and he shut the other team down, plus he stole second, third and home..and another that hit a bases loaded home run..Final score against a previous undefeated team Us 14…Them 13..Our team is now in a three-way tie for first place.
The reason I mention this is because Cowboys Nation handed out three game balls for a losing effort!…You gotta be kidding me!!..They need to check their underwear out for nicotine stains!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 7, 2009 3:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Romo thinking it was third down..
Where is this guy..what planet did he come from?..This guy is scary stupid!..What NFL QB looks over at the down marker to determine what down it is?…Lets see, I just played four downs, oops..The markers shows three, Ooopps they are in the process of flipping them from four to one..oops Denver has the ball…This guy is nuts!!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 7, 2009 4:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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