Giants News: Giants bringing in Matt Bryant for tryout
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2009 11:13 PM EDT
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Maybe it's just to put the Fear of Coughlin in his beleaguered kicker, or maybe like most Giants fans, Tom Coughlin has had enough of Lawrence Tynes.
Ralph Vacchiano is reporting that the Giants are going to bring in Matt Bryant for a tryout tomorrow.
Bryant was affectionately nicknamed "The Pawn Star" by my friends and I during his time with the Giants, thanks to his work as a pawn broker prior to playing with them. Bryant went on to play for Tampa, where he kicked a 62-yard field goal against the Eagles, the second longest kick in NFL history.
RV says other kickers are likely to be brought in as well, but no names are known at this point.
Tampa Bay also cut Mike Nugent today, I would think he will also be brought in, since he knows Giants Stadium from his days with the Jets.
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I would post a....
response stating “It’s about time!” but with the reading comprehension here people would accuse me of Supporting Tynes.
You know, like the time I specifically said that Jerry Reese has done what I would call an excellent job. Then added a “with the exception of addressing the Kicker situation.” And everyone said I was being to hard on JR. Unbelievable.
Good Riddance Tynes.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 5, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strawman Alert!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 5, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe cuz Reese is focusing on the positions that matter....
plus, the whole kicker thing is an inexact science, if you’ve been paying attention at all.
Remember Mike Vanderjagt? Dude was 40/40 or something like that, so it wasn’t all the RCA Dome. He goes elsewhere and is out of football within a few games.
There is no way that you can just get a kicker out of nowhere.
Tynes can make kicks. That’s about all you can ask for.
I would have wanted to draft a kicker in the 5th or later rounds….but who was there that would be better than Tynes.
And if you wanted a 4th or higher spent on a kicker…you’re absolutely nuts. And if you wanted to spend $2+ million on a kicker….LIKE MIKE NUGENT…..you are even more absolutely nuts.
Be very careful what you wish for when wishing away Tynes.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 5, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Free
as fas ar ‘be careful what you wish for.’ There is a reason why guys like Bryant and Nugent are looking for jobs. They aren’t better than Tynes, in reality.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 6, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second
I am a Tynes supporter and I feel that he can make kicks and also continue to kick off the ball well. It makes me nervous about bringing in one of these older kickers there kickoffs are generally weaker especially as the season wears on and the weather gets worse. Carneys KOs were horrific last season.
I also believe that when you have ZERO competition in traning camp this is sometimes what happens, you have to put a little fear in the kicker that is on the team. Even if nothing happens with Tynes.
by GiantRB27 on Oct 6, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Third
The grass is not always greener on the other side.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'cept when you're in Boise. . . .
by NYer in a strange land on Oct 6, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that blue field
I think the only way I could watch a Boise State home game is to go old school, b&w tv.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so why exackly do u hate Jerry Rees than?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!
Love Jerry Reese…just not in the biblical sense.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, Jim you're killing me!
What am I supposed to post in the morning now, since I had a nice little Matt Bryant post all set to go? LOL! Oh, and let’s think twice before bringing in Nugent, who is just 2-for-6 thus far this season.
Oh, and ‘Derriere,’ you are being incredibly hard on JR. Have you noticed how good the Giants are, and how much of that credit has to go to Reese? If the worst indictment you can make of the guy is the placekicker situation, that’s not much. Most of what the Giants accomplished the last four years doesn’t happen without Reese.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 5, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I needed a hockey break Ed, lol
I still think Nugent is worth a look, the guy was decent for the Jets. With the Giants struggles in the red zone, you need a kicker you can rely on from 40 yards or less, and right now the Giants don’t have that.
Really not sure what the fascination is with Tynes, the guy is a terrible kicker.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 6, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim...
What kind of logic is that?
Our kicker who is 10/13 (really 11/14 if you count the game winning Dallas kick twice) is terrible. So lets replace him with a guy who’s 2 for 6. I’m not arithmetician but that looks likes Nugent has more misses in less attempts to me…
Really not sure what the fascination is with replacing “Terrible” Tynes with even more terrible kickers.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no geometrician
but that wide right kick vs. KC was an ugly angle
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say replace Tynes with Nugent? I said give Nugent a tryout.
When you have a placekicker that cannot kick field goals of 30 yards and under, something is wrong.
My only logic is winning football games. If and when Tynes cost the Giants a game with a missed field goal or PAT, this board will explode with the “Tynes has to go” talk.
If we don’t settle for mediocre at any other position on the field, why does everyone embrace it at the kicker position? That’s what he is guys, a mediocre kicker
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 6, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no rhetorician
but that seems a valid point
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay so we replace medicore...
With mediocre…just for the sake of replacing him?
Not buying it. Because not matter what, if your selling getting rid of Tynes, you’re selling an even more mediocre kicker.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part of...
Jerry Reese has done an EXCELLENT JOB is so hard for people to understand??? I have only questioned him regarding the kicker. I am EXTREMELY happy with everything else he has done.
I guess because I really like everything else he’s done I’m not allowed to question him on one thing. You know what, I’m going to use that logic on my wife next time she gives me greif over not taking the trash out until the morning. I’ll cry and moan and tell her she’s being a little to hard on me and my delicate sensibilities can’t take that type of abuse. Then I’ll tell her if she really feels that way we should just end our 20 year marriage.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a smart @$$!
Lol I just figured out your name. Good stuff.
by YankeeDudeL on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever...
Bryant, even if that game where he kicked the winner in the first game after his son dies was a great story…
is still no better than Tynes. We know what Matt Bryant is.
And if Nugent couldn’t cut it with the Jets….why?
I’d like to think that its merely to like a fire under Tynes to realize that he is replacable. But Id think nothing happens until they’ve “had it” with Tynes. The fact that a lot of fans already have…is irrelevant, as it should be.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Nugent is the Ryan Leaf of kickers. He was a second round pick, which is, by my estimation, the equivalent of a QB going 1st overall, and is having trouble finding employment in his 4th season. Great get by the Jets. If you take a kicker that high you better be sure he’ll be automatic for 20+ years.
by XLII on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS GOOD NEWS
tynes blows. bring in anyone, i dont care who
by GiantsReignSupreme on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tynes=Matt Bryant=Mike Nugent
Anyone else out there?
by Major on Oct 6, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he was awesome...
placekickers back then stunk. He was the real deal back then. I remember watching the special on the greatest game ever played and i recall som eof the Colts players talking about trying to avoid certain field positions because Summerall was automatic.
In Reese We Trust
by jmark82 on Oct 6, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his friggin name
is short for Point After Touchdown
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
Nugent’s not on the Jets anymore? Since when? Who’s their kicker now?
I have good memories of Matt Bryant from my Madden 2004 days, although it always pissed me off that I had to do a ton of those pre-season kicker drills to get him onto the same level as David Akers. I don’t really remember how he was as a real life kicker – my memories of special teams players tends to be very short, unless the pull a Jay Feely and literally cost us a game.
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by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahh crap.
Don’t fix what ain’t broken.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto
you guys need to backoff. even the greatest sportsmen fall into slumps. nobody is asking him to nail every difficult kick although we have seen him do it for us (nfc champ game against packers). but the short ones should be automatic. hes in a slump. stop and breathe guys. btw do we still have carney? he was pretty automatic last year. i wonder where hes kicking nowadays.
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 6, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And no..............
Wedont have Carney anymore. We let him go cuz at the time we had just signed Tynes to a new contract then he got hurt. Never shoulda let Can mean he made the pro-bowl last year dammit!!!
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 6, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea let's get Carney back...
He only missed 3 field goals against Philly in the playoffs, no way Tynes does that.
Tynes is our guy, and I’m telling you I won’t be the only one who’s real pissed if they get rid of him for Matt Bryant, or anyone available at this point for that matter. It’s just not a smart football move.
I don’t care about any kicks before or after, he kicked us to the Super Bowl, and he made his kicks in the Super Bowl, he made both his game winning kicks against Dallas, and has never cost us a game Jay Feeley style.
All I’ve seen out of Tynes is an ability to step up and put kicks through the uprights with the game on the line, yes he’s been shaky in earlier parts of games, but if Eli can get away with it cause he’s a “winner” why can’t Tynes?
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, first off, Tynes has used up the “He got us to the Super Bowl” credits, they are all gone. That was then, this is now. Let’s not forget the two he missed in that game that put them in that position.
Just because “he hasn’t blown us a game” is not a legitimate excuse to not look for something better. The only reason he hasn’t blown us a game is because Eli bailed his ass out against Dallas, and Tampa and KC are bad teams that couldn’t make the Giants pay.
There is nothing wrong with looking for a replacement for the 24th best kicker in the league.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 6, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't fix...
What ain’t broken.
That’s all I’m saying Jim.
And nobody bailed out anybody in Dallas. If anything Tynes bailed out the Giants offense. How can you put the entire game going down to one kick on Tynes when the offense went a pathetic 0/5 in the Red Zone? Tynes nailed 4/5 kicks. Including two game winners. A “terrible” kicker would have missed one of those two, especially after missing one earlier. A kicker with guts (and lets not forget who made the decision to kick us into the Super Bowl in the first place, because Coughlin couldn’t muster up the balls to tell him to try his third) nails both those kicks to win the game. That’s Tynes.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, lets extend his contract.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 6, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or lets just accept the fact...
That he’s going to be our kicker no matter what, and deal with it.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
Because nobody has ever replaced a kicker midway thru the season before. The Giants haven’t done it before with great success…..or have they….
Like 1986 when they picked up Raul Allegre in week 4.
Like 1990 when they picked up Matt Bahr in week 4.
All of you guys are right, there is NEVER another good kicker hanging around waiting for the phone to ring.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
Matt Bahr was awesome
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close to the same situation...
86 – Bob Thomas made it on the team in the preseason, but was released after week one. Parcells was eying up Allegre all season and only used Cooper till they could get him.
90 – Allegre was on the IR, nothing to do with his skills..
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making a point...
That you apparently missed. Several people have used the argument that you can’t replace a kicker mid-season because there is never another good kicker available. They say, “if he was anygood, why is he out of work?” as their baseline.
The sad truth is a lot of teams “Settle” for the known kicker, even when said kicker is Tyne…err, Terrible.
Was the situation regarding the pickups different? Sure, but there was excellent kickers waiting in the wings just hoping a team would either need a kicker, or remove the blinders and dump their craptastic kicker for a good one.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
But those previous examples you gave me were because of the fact that we needed a new kicker. Which today, in my opinion, we do not.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of good kickers but are there any better???
Tynes makes me nervous but I can’t remember when he has missed one at the end of the game that had a high probability of being made. The GB game was in very poor conditions for descent yardage.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Oct 6, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He missed from....
36yards and 43 yards!!! Yeah, it was cold, but those should be practically automatic, even in those conditions.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD!!!
He DID NOT make two game winners!!! He made ONE!!! Hell, he barely made the first one, and probably should have sent a thank you letter to Wade Phillips after letting him get that practice shot in.
It was only after he got the practice kick in that he was able to line up and make his ONE kick look like it came from an actual NFL caliber Kicker.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry but...........
if Tynes misses one out of every 3 or 4 like he is doing now then gotta get ridof him! It’s that cut and dried. He is gonna wind up costing us a game or two this season and im not willing to allow that to happen. Yeah he kicked us into the SB but he also missed 2 or 3 in the G. Bay game. Come on man………..somethings gotta give
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 6, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since we're so ready to drop peoplel
Let’s drop Manningham. He dropped some passes, one leading to an interception. Let’s also drop him and bring back Tyree. That’s what type of upgrade were talking here.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retarded Irony...
Manningham did that in one game. Tynes has made the chip shot look difficult for years now. There is no comparison between the two and the attempt to do so is ridiculous.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before this season...
He only missed three from under thirty in his entire career.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough....
do you give him a pass for missing a PAT every year of his career that he’s been the primary kicker as well?
Most of the time when your kicker lines up you should feel good about your chances to walk away with points. You don’t get that with Tynes. EVERY time he lines up for a kick, whether it’s a FG, PAT or even a KO, you can have an anxiety attack. Nobody shanks them as poorly (maybe that should be greatly) as Tynes.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok,
Tynes has made the chip shot look difficult for years now.
Now thru these years of making the chip shots look difficult, how many times has Tynes lost the Giants a game? Please, no retort, just an answer (a number of times Tynes has lost the game) to the question. I’ll bet he has won more games than he has lost. This season alone will give him the advantage.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a last second FG....
Has he individually lost a game for the Giants? I’m sure that answer is zero.
Now that I’ve answered your question, allow me to retort. I, and nobody else on this board, have claimed Tynes directly lost a game for the Giants. What has been questioned is his pathetic kick off’s and his accuracy. Expecially recently with his extremely short FG attempts.
As a team you are constantly trying to improve. That is why when qb’s struggle, teams sit them down and play the backup (unless you are John Fox). That’s why when a RB isn’t getting it done, the backup comes in. You don’t have that luxury with a Kicker since they typically don’t get on the field more than 6-10 plays a game (if you are scoring), you don’t keep a backup for them. As a result it’s more of a hassle to replace a faultering kicker. Thus the situation the Giants are in.
The Giants shouldn’t be waiting for Tynes to lose a game for them. If you can’t trust him to hit from 21 yards, how can you have confidence in him from any distance? Again, a FG 35 yards or under should be almost automatic. If you have to stress about that kick, then you really need to reevaluate your kicking situation. Obviously the Giants as an organization realize that. So no matter how much you love Tynes, it doesn’t change the fact that the Giants think he’s got problems. They are bringing people in to light a fire under him, and either get him to get his head on straight, or flat replace him. More than anything else that reinforces my point that the status quo in unacceptable.
All I can say is Thank God the Giants aren’t blinded by the emotional baggage “He kicked us into the SB” that appears to run rampant here. They realize that the way he’s kicking right now, it’s just a matter of time before he does cost them a game. Something has to change. Whether that’s him, or a new kicker we will have to see. I’m just glad they are finally doing something.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Never shoulda let Carney go……….he made the pro-bowl last year dammit!!!
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 6, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Carney...
is going to be released from New Orleans. Not sure what’s up with that other kicker’s suspension and reinstatement yet. Carney MIGHT become available!
In Reese We Trust
by jmark82 on Oct 6, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's not forget
that carney choked against the eagles in the playoffs. we could have easily won that if he could have made those field goals.
by bmanley620 on Oct 6, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Payton
went for it on fourth down at one point on Sunday because he didn’t have confidence that Carney could hit a 48 yarder. I don’t see where he would be an upgrade from Tynes. Not yet.
by blooz on Oct 6, 2009 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stats
Maybe ge went for it because he read the article on advancednflstats.com that said it’s a better gamble to go for it on fourth and one.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 6, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
=/
stop making me face the reality!!
im trying to live in a perfect state of being. where eli is werking on his second ring. third if u count the one from his wife.
the giants are four and oh. the knicks won their first preseason game and obama apparently wasnt enough for chicago to get the olympics (seriously why would chicago think it had a shot when new york soo thoroughly got shitted on during the last voting.
you guys need to learn to take the good with the bad. what good is a trip if you dont remember getting there.
i expect this to be a non topic in december.
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 6, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really, really hope
It’s a non topic come december but honestly i dont think Tynes will be our kicker come December……….
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 6, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tynes misses field goals
and his leg isnt strong enough. Never kicks touchbacks too boot…..(no pun intended)….lol.
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 6, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
He has two touchbacks, including one last week. He doesn’t have the strongest leg in the league, but his kickoffs are not an issue at all. He is slumping with field goals, and you can’t put up with it forever. But, find me somebody better first. And the answer is not ‘anybody.’
by Ed Valentine on Oct 6, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+Infinity
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two Touchbacks....
that are the exceptions. One of them bounced at the 10 yard line for crying out loud.
Everybody loves to say how Tynes leg is so much stronger than Carney’s was and how the Giants where better off with Tynes kicking off. Yet on two seperate occasions I posted the complete KO numbers for both of them, and the team did better with Carney’s KO’s.
I honestly believe that you guys can’t get past his kick in GB. Great Kick, no doubt about that. The problem is if wasn’t so terrible on the “gimme” kicks, that game is over long before then and he isn’t lining up to kick a 48 yard FG to end the game.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't get past the fact...
That this is a team. And regardless of how well or how bad Tynes is, the team won a Super Bowl with him, and lost in the first round of the playoffs without him.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good*
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they also won a Super Bowl with Gibril Wilson
and lost in the first round of the playoffs without him. Should we trade for him?
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by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many field goals did our FS miss in that Philly game?
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many Pass Defenses did our PK make in that Philly Game?
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly the same thing...
I see what you guys are saying…but I was at that game bro. Carney played more of a roll in us losing that game than anyone else. He directly cost us valuable momentum, valuable points, and valuable field position throughout the entire course of the game.
Tynes has never had a game where I’ve looked back and say to myself “If Tynes makes that kick/those kicks, we might have won.” And until he does, I don’t see why we need another kicker. Yes he’s mediocre, but he has yet to become a liability. I feel like it’s Eli all over again, but with our kicker.
The guy might win ugly, but he wins.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touché!!!
Nicely done.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess we will have to wait and see
tom coughlin must have some type of remedy for tynes. i think hell be allright. btw who the hell would draft a kicker so high in a draft. kickers are a dime a dozen. they almost never get injured. there is barely any physical endurance needed to kick a ball. theres like 30 40 teams in the ncaa first division. youll find a competent kicker for minimal expense
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 6, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
remember
the raiders drafting Sebastian Janakowski in the 1st round like 20th overall or something?
f-in ridiculous….lol
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 6, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be trying out
Pop-Warner kickers at this point..Tynes is that awful..If indeed Carney becomes available I’d snatch him back..As far as his choking against the Eagles, the whole team choked..
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 3:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the whole team choked...
but Carney makes those kicks, the Giants could be right in the game. Yea, Tynes could miss the kicks too
I really don’t understand the bashing of Tynes and praising of Carney.
Carney’s kickoffs were awful. He spotted them the 35 or farther every time. Might as well give the 5 yards to the 40 and kick it out of bounds. Better than risking the kickoff return TD.
Tynes is our kicker. If the game actually happens where he does cost the game, then send him back to Ireland.
He’s actually the perfect kicker for the Giants. Like the whole team, he keeps it interesting until the final gun.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on FB!
You really aren’t comparing Carney’s and Tynes KO’s again are you? Let’s be honest here, they both stunk, but in all actuallity Carney’s KO’s where better than Tynes. I posted their numbers on this site twice for two seperate years, and both times Carney’s where about 2 yards better than Tynes.
Again, neither of them Kicks Off well. The only difference is when Carney was lining up for a 21 yard kick, you felt good. When Tynes lines up for a 21 yard kick you are already telling your friends at the bar “It’s ok, the defense will get the ball back.”
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the past...
as in before this season, I would have agreed with you on Tynes’ kickoffs.
This year, absolutely not. He’s been good on kickoffs.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball analogy here
Wilt Chamberlin, Shaq, Dwight Howard are or were about 50 to 55% free throw shooters. Are you telling me if you were GM, you’d get rid of these guys because they “might” cost you a game. Chances are they win you more than cost you . Same with Tynes. He has won the Gs more than he has cost them. So far, I think he has a goose egg in the “cost us a game” column.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we always left defending Tynes?
He’s really not that horrible is he?
We must be missing something…
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That analogy does not make sense..
Those guys scored more points in a game that has nothing to do with a football game..They did/do their job and score points..but how does your assertion relate to Football?
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think outside of football and see the analogy for what it is
Shaq scores 58 points and Cleveland is down by 1 with no time on the clock and Shaq at the line for two free throws because he was fouled at the buzzer. If he misses both free throws, which is a strong possibilty, the Cavs lose. Shaq just cost his team the game. Do you get rid of Shaq?
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
because without Shaq, Cleveland loses by 59 points instead of 1. If Tynes was also the QB and was getting the team into position and then he missed the kick, you’d have a good analogy. But Tynes’ ENTIRE job is to kick field goals (ok and kickoffs, but he’s not great at that either), so if he’s not doing that job, he should be gone.
A much better analogy would be a baseball closer. And you know what, if my closer had a 7.23 ERA but through some grace of God he hadn’t blown any saves (hyopthetically, he comes in with a 3 run lead every single game and always gives up 2 runs and leaves the bases loaded, and if it’s a tie game or the team is losing he gets shelled), I’d call for him to be replaced too.
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by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah that's still no good...
Because if Tynes was a closer, he’d only come in with the game on the line…and in that situation, he’s Mariano.
A better analogy would be (and I’ve posted this before)…
Tynes is like the Eli Manning circa 2007 of kickers. He will drag you through the mud kicking and screaming, pulling your own hair out the whole way, until you realize with :04 seconds left in the game we still have a shot to win it. Everything in your gut tells you this guy can’t hack it but BOOM he gets it done, and we ruin Dallas’ homecoming party. You can’t change these things…some people are winners and some people are losers. Eli used to win ugly (although he looks very, very pretty doing it these days) and guys like Dan Marino lost while looking pretty damn good doing it.
Mike Vandejagt anyone? Gary Anderson anyone?
Do we really want the kicker that goes 45/45 in the regular season, only to miss the one kick we really wish he would make? I don’t.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's nowhere near Mariano!
With Mariano you have confidence that he will come in and close the door on the opposition.
With Tynes it doesn’t matter if it’s 25 yard FG, you are still on your knees, fingers and toes crossed, arm and arm with all your buddies, praying to the higher power of your choosing, with a brick in your stomach terrified that he’s going to miss the bloody thing.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Lawrence Tynes runs for 150 yards
I’ll let him miss a few field goals
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our guys went 0 for 8
in the dead zone. No one was calling for Jacobs or Eli’s replacement. Until Tynes becomes a true liability, I’m not going to jump on the Kill Tynes Wagon. Fact is, Eli has cost the Giants more games than Tynes has.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, mostly...
They where screaming for Kevin Killdrive’s head in those situations.
I know, I know, He’s off limit’s to some of the sheeple on this board as well. I apologize.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would respond to Intellectual Derriere
but my reading comprehension is just not good enough to understand what he posted. So I will assume he was just slamming Jerry Reese as the worst human being alive and go with that.
IN all seriousness, unless they can find someone who is a cut above Tynes (and if they are, why are they unemployed right now?), I doubt they are going to send him packing. I will throw an unless onto that though, UNLESS he is showing something in practice that is seriousness enough to make the G-Men think he is yipping with little to no chance of being cured. IN that case his days are just about up.
by brisulph on Oct 6, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its a S L U M P
didn’t ya ever see tiger miss a few 5 footers? in a single round?
get over it.
by NYer in a strange land on Oct 6, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why get over it
when we could just drop a Tiger and bring back a Golden Bear.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A slump....
is defined as a drop in perfomance. Tynes has not had a drop in performance. His kicking today is the same as it has always been.
Is there another kicker in the NFL that has missed a PAT every year he has been the primary kicker?
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FG Kicker
Why not get Scott Norwood, then you would have a bottom line to for comparison. I agree with brisulph and if it aint broke don’t fix it.
by 7mike on Oct 6, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nightmare
Sorry, but seeing Matt Bryant in a Giants uniform again will give me nightmares. Still remembering the bottom of the box score from the most painful Giants game I ever watched:
MISSED FIELD GOALS —
NYG: M.Bryant 42.
by Wide_right on Oct 6, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can’t blame Bryant for that
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 6, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with a little competition!
Perhaps this will either straighten Tynes out, or maybe we can go with someone more reliable, that was previously unknown.
by Hootman on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now
i dont love tynes. hes not the best kicker. so far he hasnt cost us any games, but if he keeps it up at this rate he surely will.
i rather have tynes than bryant, but its good for competition.
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Oct 6, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We've had like 180 comments about the kicker the past two weeks
the KICKER. Why not just put this debate to rest and let the golden leg of Jeff Feagles do the kicking. He can’t possibly be worse, right? Plus we could save a roster spot.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Hell, if it’s over 45 yards, just have him punt. It’s it’s 30-45 yards, he’s probably as good as Tynes there. If it’s 19-29 yards, I would actually bet money that he’s better.
The only flaw with this tis theory is who does the holding on FG’s.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Romo?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what
I’m happy for the 180 comments about the kicker. If the kicker is all we have to bicker about, that just tells me that the Giants are in damn good shape. And like I posted a while back, the way this team is built, both offense and defense, we should never be in the position to be dependant on a last second field goal.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
Alot of you are comparing Golf, Basketball, etc…to Football..There is no such comparison..Somebody out here asserted that he was too focussed on Kick-offs versus field goals?..Ridiculous!..Two very different things..I’ll tell you I can still kick a damn 21 yarder at the ripe old age of 53..This guy is not lining up correctly, period..bringing in anyone beyond Carney would be stupid..Tynes needs to do his job. The team is stuck with him.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes Bobbi, yes
I’m sure that if you line up for a 21 yarder at the ripe old age of 53 and 11 guys are trying to block your kick, you are going to nail that kick right down Broadway……Not!! Let’s not get carried away here. We’d all like to think that a 21 yarder is automatic but apparently it’s not, that’s why it called a “field goal attempt”.
by njgiant on Oct 6, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, lot of talk about kickers
I’m def not happy w/ Tynes, and want a better and more reliable kicker. But as Ed alluded to, there’s a reason the guys they’re bringing in don’t have jobs right now. If there isn’t a clear-cut better option, I say we stick w/ Tynes. Maybe just bringing in other guys will make him perform better.
by YankeeDudeL on Oct 6, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase Bill Fatcells....
Kickers are a dime a dozen. There are always kickers available. I gave two examples further up the thread where the Giants picked up PK’s mid-season that turned out to be excellent kickers.
The Giants don’t have to, and should not, settle on Tynes simply because he hasn’t lost a game for them YET. Hell Josh Huston outkicked him two years ago. Is he still available?
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 6, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell
last year they picked up Carney during the season. That’s a 3rd example, just in seasons where the Giants went to the playoffs. I’m sure there’s tons more if you look around the entire NFL
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't use Carney as a positive example...
He blew it when it counted most.
I hate John Carney.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 6, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little analysis
Isn’t part of the problem that Tynes has changed his stroke to try to get more distance on the kick-offs? (Which he has done.)
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 6, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am just happy with the fact that...
the Giants bring other possible kickers in, so they can send a strong message to Tynes. He may know he missed a couple of gimmes, but I don’t think he got scared he did. They need to light a fire under his butt – and I hope this does the trick. Missing past the 40 is more tolerated than missing under 30 – DAMMIT!
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by 27Tango on Oct 6, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why he is not that bad?
So he has missed a few field goals that past few weeks (even an embarrassing field goal kick that was PAT distance against Tampa), but he is clutch sometimes. Matt Bryant is good, but Tampa never should have released him, cause now you lost Nugent whos been released, and I know Bryant wouldn’t like to be with the Bucs since how they treated him. I would get Bryant but keep him as insurance.
by ag3ntdam on Oct 6, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HELL YES
Should have kept Carney. No Nugent either, if you want somebody who can clutch kick cut Tynes and don’t sign Nugent.
by Bro Namath on Oct 6, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is No 85
of the Bengals still available – I recall he did a good job in the preseason game against the Pats.
On a more serious note – how many kickers come out of college each year – are all of them that bad?
by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Ocho Cinco isnt going anywhere
I think we are cool with our WRs as of now.
by ag3ntdam on Oct 6, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be seriously sweet
if the Giants had a guy that you could feel decent about a 55-yarder, not nauseous about a 30-yarder … someday.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 6, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like it's a technique thing
I think it’s correctable
by queler on Oct 6, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To all of you retards who didnt like Carney,
In case you forgot or just didnt know………….Yes Carney did not have the strongest leg on kickoffs, but then again neither does Tynes. But John Carney made the pro bowl last year!! A 40 something yr old kicker went to Hawaii last year. You cannot argue with that. So for all you that wanna criticize the man, do your research 1st
by giantsNYrangers on Oct 7, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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