New York Giants news and notes: Eli says receivers "will have to win"
From the sounds of it, don't expect our New York Giants to change much this week in their approach to offense. They expect the Philadelphia Eagles to stack the line of scrimmage and send a steady diet of blitzes. And they expect to try and make them pay with some shots down the field.
Here is Eli Manning discussing just that.
"They will take chances, they blitz a lot. Now it is just about everybody being on the same page. Everybody being prepared, knowing what is gong on, when things are picked up, when they are not. Preparation this week, when you have opportunities, there might be chances to make big plays and you have to take advantage of them," Manning said. "They will play a lot of man and single high, the receivers on the outside will have to win."
Ralph Vacchiano talked to Steve Smith this week, and Smith echoed his quarterback.
"(The big plays) are going to be there. There are going to be a few plays where we’re wide open. We’ve just got to make a play," Smith said. ""They do a great job of applying pressure and trying to make teams frustrated. But it’s also an opportunity for huge plays."
I guess we will just have to hope that the Giants are actually able to hit some of those shots. I'm not a fan of the all-out big-play mentality. Those plays are great when they work, but we have seen the results the past two weeks when they don't. Plus, history tells us that the coming wind and cold in the Northeast will make it even more difficult to be successful with those plays.
I know some those plays will be available. I'm hoping to see Eli and the Giants be a little more judicious in when they go for them, however.
Hakeem Nicks honored
Nicks, the Giants' first-round draft choice this year, has been named the NFL's Offensive Rookie of the Month for October.
"(I'm) very excited about it," Nicks said. "Just don't want to let it get to the head, keep doing what I'm doing, stay humble and just keep on competing out there."
In four games in October, Nicks caught 14 passes for 297 yards (a 21.2-yard average) and four touchdowns - one in each game. Nicks is tied for the NFL rookie lead in touchdown receptions. He is the first Giants rookie to score touchdowns in four consecutive games since Bob Gaiters scored in five straight games in 1961. Nicks is the first Giants rookie with a touchdown reception in four consecutive games since Bill Swiacki in 1948. In addition, Nicks is the first NFL rookie with a touchdown catch in four straight games since Buffalo's Lee Evans in 2004. Nicks has recorded TD catches of 62, 54 and 37 yards and is the only rookie in the NFL with three 30+ yard touchdown receptions. For the season, Nicks has 16 receptions in 5 games for 315 yards (a team-high 19.7-yard average). The 315 yards are second among all NFL rookies, behind only Pittsburgh's Mike Wallace (368), and the 19.7-yard average is the highest in the NFL among rookies with at least 10 catches.
At his current pace, Nicks will threaten the franchise record for receptions by a rookie (Bobby Johnson with 48 in 1984).
Other Stuff
- Westbrook could miss game
- Bradshaw visits specialist about foot and ankle injuries
- Giants defense has red zone blues
- Canty getting close
[NOTE: No Q&A with Jason from Bleeding Green Nation yet. I have reached out to him, but we have yet to connect.]
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I would love to see Canty back
but I suspect that cherry is at least one more week away (possibly as far as the bye week).
by brisulph on Oct 29, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
Check out the Funbags on that Hosehound.
by BigBlue4Life on Oct 29, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+2
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+22
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
by iLL on Oct 29, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want the Philly cheerleaders to look like this on Sunday:
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You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 29, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another
busy day at the office for Simms!
by G Fan in England on Oct 29, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simms
Spends an awful lot of time not working, it seems. Some of us would love to have that opportunity, and get a paycheck.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop making such a FREAKIN GREAT Web site
so I can focus on the job at hand!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So long as no-one finds out
Its all good! All I do in my Information Software Technology class is go on BBV, until the teacher finds out class is a lot more interesting.
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 30, 2009 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
thats an optical illusion. someone is clearly pushing up.
that being said… Awesome. Seeing these weekly rival’s cheerleaders pics before a game is like checking out some dude’s girlfriend and then beating him up after.
by daveh873 on Oct 29, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is like checking out some dude’s girlfriend and then beating him up after.
Whats wrong with that?
by ryanwk628 on Oct 29, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed. I'm sure I speak for all BBVers
when I express my admiration for your staunchly churning out Giants’ News and Notes despite your peobable deep mourning over the Phillies dominance last night.
Bill Swiacki. anyone else remember him? He was a sensation in college (Columbia of all places) renowned for a miracle catch against a powerhouse at the time—Army (if my failing memory serves me correctly.)
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you know
the cheerleader picture sure does help wake me up.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those pretty pictures..
Wake me up..they also wake “Uncle Willy and the Twins up!!!”…lol!!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's too funny to be disgusted at
roflmao
by Willgfass on Oct 29, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not fair George
You can’t ask us if we remember Bill Swiacki?? You’ve got a 75 year head start on us. You know all the Old School players.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there're a few oldtimer BBVers
who might remember. He was a big name at the time. It’s amazing how quickly the legends are forgotten (Swiacki wasn’t close to being that.) I once said that LT would be more or less forgotten by the time most BBVers attain my years. Someone objected, but remember Ozymandias, King of Kings.
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go again, Ozymandias?????? Who in the blue blazes is that??
Yeah, there’s quite a few Old Schoolers on here and I appreciate the knowledge you guys bring to the New School.
Technology is what will keep ledgends like LT, Stray, Phil’s Superbowl performance alive. While the old school has memories of legends past, the new school has a better chance of a longer legacy because of things like youtube, dvd’s and high tech video and camera’s.
You guy’s have a definate advantage. You can actually make a legitimate comparison of Jim Brown vs Barry Sanders vs Adrian Peterson. You guys have seen the real deal, while the new school, we make our comparisons based on a few stats and some highlights from NFL films. That being said, props to you old timers for your knowledge of the game and for knowing more about the New York Football Giants than I do.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO.
Barry Sanders is a bit better than Jim Brown, and Peterdon could be a bit better than Barry some day (depending on how long he lasts.)
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Ozymandias is a poem by Shelley. Goggle it and you’ll see the relevance.
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go:
OZYMANDIAS
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter’d visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp’d on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away
by potroast on Oct 29, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and who would have thought
A comment section on a football blog would have lead to a discussion about poetry. Blue and Pot, I salute you for the unexpected education. Ed, it goes without saying that I salute you for the hot cheerleader pic.
by BigBlue4Life on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome stuff
This is why you guys are the best.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks George and Pot
You guys got me reading poetry and googling Shelly. In the process, I’ve stumbled on Ramses Barden nickname..“Ozymandias”
Never was a big history buff but the read on wikipedia is kinda interesting. I now see how the poem ties in with your post. nice.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or depending on how long Favre wants to throw the ball all day!
Peterson will retire first by the looks of it and if Brett just keeps throwing Adrian gets no opportunities. It’s really annoying, Peterson is my NO 1 fantasy RB!
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 30, 2009 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Us older guys..
You should appreciate what we bring to the table here..I retired from IBM in 2005..I am an IT Specialist..and know all about YouTube..Myspace..Facebook..blah blah blah..You need not have a computer to remember our legend players..You young guys are spoiled..You have had the luxury of seeing our team win..We old dudes have seen them lose..for years…Us older guys have very thick skin..and we know a little something about football.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
But we grew up in the Dave Brown era, when all the kids around tri-state schools wore Aikman jerseys, so we get a little credit. haha
DB
by DukBudr on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not going to get any complaints
from me about being spoiled. I love living in this George Jetson age. And trust me, I know a little about bad football. i remember Dave Brown and Kent Graham, yuck.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys Duk and NJ have obvoiusly got a taste of losing..and it doesn't taste good at all
You grew up in the “Ray Handley” era..What a bum..Now we have “Cererbral Sheridan” calling the defensive plays..Instead of just letting them loose You can tell if you watch, Our defense with all that talent is a very confused unit..and I pin the blame on Sheridsn..Gilbride needs to figure out how to get teams out of stacking the box..I’l guarantee you all that TC is going to make changes next year concerning hsi supporting cast..they are not getting it done.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shockey
I thought good old JS had the rookie record with 74 or does his record no longer count as we don’t like him anymore or was it that he was a TE.
You can make big plays out of quick passes to – you don’t need to be throwing it 40 yards downfield.
by G Fan in England on Oct 29, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shockey
I think that record specifically refers to wide receivers.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not many
three a game average – not sure Nicks will beat that number!
Hopefully he gets a TD for his 5th straight game.
by G Fan in England on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he gets 5 touchdowns for the 1st of an all season streak!
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 30, 2009 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn...
bad start to the NY vs. Philly week. I haven’t seen a pitcher dominate like that in a long time.
Anywho…nice to see Nicks get the rook of the month.
I’d like to see Smith, and HAM for that matter, have another game like they did against the other 2 NFC East teams.
They do that…Jacobs and Boobshaw….er..Bradshaw, also getting the rock…this game is gonna be TITS!
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeez
Get your head out of the cleav…clouds. Is that the breast you can do? You need to pay butter attition ass you type those things like Sugar Ray Leonard.
by Jaybat on Oct 29, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, gang
I love the cheerleader photos, obviously. And I don’t blame you guys for commenting. But, let’s remember to stay classy. I’m not turning this place into ‘With Leather’ or ‘Sports by Brooks.’
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got it.
I don’t want to be the kid that gets the toy privaleges revoked for all the kids. So I’ll contribute.
I think Eli has to take the one on one option whenever it’s there. Last week our WR’s didn’t win the battles. Not all one on one’s have to be 30 yards down the field, but a guy as big as Hixon should win those every time.
If they win more of those we’re having a different conversation today. Probably something about how dangerous we look at WR compared to pre-season predictions. I will say that not testing those matchups is no way to get our guys experience in winning them.
by Jaybat on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea sorry Ed...
while I was typing I kept scrolling up for some reason….
Next time I’ll look but don’t type.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's OK
The pics are there for a reason. I just don’t want the comments to go overboard, that’s all. I mean, shoot, you think I don’t enjoy finding you guys these pics every week?
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
must win
The Eagles, for some reason, are always a media favorite. They have only played one team with a winning record and lost to them (Saints). McNuggets and Co have not shown they are amazing. What they are is the most classless group of showboaters I have ever seen. Lets give them a beat down.
DB
by DukBudr on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I read the first sentence and all I could think about was
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
~Einstein
KG and Eli will definately drive us all insane.
by Woogie526 on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's see
how it plays out. Hopefully some of those throws will be shorter ones. As you said, they can’t keep doing this over and over.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is discouraging
I’m almost at the end of my santity. How does the frequent use of the long ball promote ball control? Even the poorest of coaches will concede that ball control is important. This by itself has various advantages.
Even if these plays are converted 50% of the time, there is no guarantee of a score. Besides, it’s the other 50% that may yield bad things. It’s to the point that everyone is brainwashed into the long ball. I bet a third grader could learn this playbook before it was time for recess!
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
better timing is all they need.
WHEN they take their shots..as well as Eli and the WR’s timing.
Nothing wrong with taking the shots…it worked pretty good for a few games didn’t it?
WHEN they do it…not third and short, NOT if their losing by 2 scores…
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with the home run, but it is the timing
It seems like it’s every third time, they’re doing it. I’m just a bit annoyed from Eli’s comment…
“They will take chances, they blitz a lot. Now it is just about everybody being on the same page. Everybody being prepared, knowing what is gong on, when things are picked up, when they are not. Preparation this week, when you have opportunities, there might be chances to make big plays and you have to take advantage of them,” Manning said. “They will play a lot of man and single high, the receivers on the outside will have to win.”
This can sum up every team in the NFL to a degree. Some blitz more than others, but it’s still not an excuse to heave it so much. For everyone to be on the same page is important, but more importantly with these bombs, there are more variables involved to pull these plays off! Blitz/no blitz recognition, pass protection, reading your progressions, the WR’s getting off with clean releases, Eli giving the receivers a catchable ball and the receiver actually making the play! If all of these variables are 100% on, yeah, there “might” be an opportunity. On the other hand, there also “might” be an opportunity elsewhere, where it’s more probable to succeed!
If anything at all, it seems like an obesession of late with this long ball. The long ball has it’s place when properly used, but it’s being abused IMO. Thats why i said a third grader could learn this playbook. The Giants are not using all of it to maximize there chances to win, if nothing else, at least to convert a third down!
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
They have sort of fallen in love with it.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's my semi-rant for what i hope is for awhile.
So with saying that, i’ll zip-it on the long ball stuff. No sense in beating a dead horse. There nothing we can do about it and if it works, great, if not, someone may be institutionalized! lol
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith's quote hits it right on the head. What we have to do to win is...
…step up and make big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 29, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but hopefully Smith and Boss wont have to wait until the fourth quarter to have a pass thrown their way. We don’t have to throw fifty yard touchdown passes all day to be successful.
by The G man on Oct 29, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eli
Eli would be just fine if he played his own game and tried not to imitate his brother with longballs. It seems like he for got about having a tightend onthe field
by muttsey88 on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When the Giants have
defeated the Jim Johnson Eagles defense, how were they able to manage it in the past? I seem to recall quite a few low-scoring affairs, where field position was critical. Jeff Feagles and the run blocking could be more critical elements than the deep pass in this game.
by rzor on Oct 29, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAM
Manningham needs to really start focusing on CATCHING balls. He’s been dropping a lot of on-target passes in the past 2 games. I can’t help but go back to the game where he bobbled that TD pass, as well as a few other times where he’s bobbled passes that he shouldn’t have. Just look the ball in! Now I don’t profess to be a better receiver than anyone in the NFL, and I know it’s not easy…but it’s what you’re getting paid to do Hammy! Oh wait Hammy is Aaron Ross my bad.
LET'S GO G-MEN
by I_Formation27 on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Airing it out is not Giants football
I love the big plays but a few well timed shots should suffice, this is a run first/ ball control power football team, what happened to that? The mid range passes help keep your defense of the field and chew up the clock. We also need better pressure from our D line. One of our main strengths has been the ability to get pressure on the QB with just our front four, that has not happened enough this year. Our LB play has to step up as well, you will rarely see our lb make a big play or a punishing hit, they got ran all over last week. With all that said the D kept us in the game last week and our Offense has to win this one for us with power football, lets get back to playing Giants football.
by The G man on Oct 29, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Besides the Red Green Zone malfunctions, the D was pretty solid.
LET'S GO G-MEN
by I_Formation27 on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the sounds of it...
the giants expect to play an absolutely flawless game in order to win.
listening to Giants Online last night a lot of the guys were pointing the finger at Manningham for dropping the TD…but new flash fellas, we still woulda been down by 3…we still woulda had to get into FG position, Tynes woulda still needed to kick it through, and we still woulda had to win the game in OT.
Seems like there are more problems than just “execution” here…
But rest assured… if the WRs play their Best Game Ever, Eli plays his best game ever, we commit no penalties whatsoever, and Special Teams is great…WE’LL WIN!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well..
We all know the Eagles like every other team has our number..They are going to put eight in the box and our guys need to desperately figure that out, how to neutralize it..plus they will be blitzing like crazy..We have basically handed out a ‘template’ to the teams we face on how to defend us..Eli needs to loosen them up with some quick swing passes to Jacobs and Bradshaw..that will drive them out of the box..Nobody fears our receivers on the long ball, and we all know that Eli has a great arm but the longer he throws it the more inaccurate he is..They’ll know they have to blanket Smith..The whole league knows that now…and our other recievers are not feared as a threat at all yet…Screens won’t work initially..and I still think Eli’s heel is bothering him more than we are being told..We need to get teams out of the box in order to run the ball..teams are forming a brick wall on the line, they have Smith covered and they have no respect for our long ball..If we get them off the line of scrimmage, we win..If we don’t it’ll be another long day for our guys.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How is it they can put eight men in the box and still double steve smith?
by The G man on Oct 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because we
keep the backs and Boss in to block so only have 2 running patterns!
by G Fan in England on Oct 29, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boss doesn't have to stay in entirely
All he has to do is give a solid chip and go to the vacated hot zone where the defender is coming from. Then again, it’s not of the long variety, plus he’s a TE! lol
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
they put a saftey up to put 8 in the box the other saftey and a cb covers smith ..the other cb on ham/hix or nick
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Oct 29, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
G man..
If you notice, teams stick eight in the box then they drop one back to help double up on Smith..The corners are in single coverage, the strong safety shadows Smith and gets help underneath..Hence Smith is neutralized..and they don’t worry about single coverage on Manningham (because he can’t consistently catch) or Hixon (who can’t catch)..I am hoping Nicks will continue to improve and provide that deep threat. We need it..and I really would like to see Barden out there..Ed mentioned that the coaching staff probably are seeing things that make him not ready to step in..but he would be one hell of a big decoy.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Either Nicks or Manningham need to beat one on one on quick to short patterns on a regular basis to make the D change what they are doing – after all a quick 5 yard pattern to either of these two can end up going 50 yards.
The issue you have is that if they think it will work eventually they will keep doing it, when the issue might be do we need to keep trying as we could do something else which has more chance of sucess.
When you only play 16 games you cannot afford to spend too many games trying until it works!
by G Fan in England on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly..
We need those guys to win single coverage situations..that would go a long ways towards teams playing a more traditional defense against us. Right now, our guys are not winning that battle at receiver, and we are paying dearly for it..Manningham is definitely thinking run before catch..that is a really bad habit he needs to break out of…Hixon just plain can’t run a pattern and catch..He is great on punts and kickoffs because he is right in front of the ball..when he gets a ball he does really good things with it..but he can’t run a pass route at all…I hope our guys give Philly a serious dose of Nicks this week..That tip off we all marvelled at was due to the fact that he is so fast..he outran his underneath route and caught up within five yards of Manningham..that kid is very very fast..Still learning, but he will be special.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
Yeah you’re right but thats why we need to utilize all our offensive weapons and spread the D out. I agree we need Nicks to step up in a big way. Barden must not be looking good in practices because as big as he is he would be a great red zone threat and another weapon the D would have to account for. It would also be nice to see Boss involved more to help spread the Defense out and keep them honest. With Smith, Nicks, Boss, and hopefully Barden in the mix that would be very difficult to defend, here’s hoping we make some good changes this week in Philly
by The G man on Oct 31, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else read those quotes
as knocks on Manningham and/or Hixon?
Also, it seems a little strange to come out and say stuff like this mid-week. Maybe they’re trying to throw the Eagles off and they plan on power running all game? Or, maybe they’re getting the fans prepared so we’re not as disappointed on Sunday when they let an Andy Reid offense control T.O.P.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well they should be knocks and/or calling out
HAM and Hixon.
Hixon’s stand out bad play, the INT by DRC…wasn’t really all that blamable. Perfect ball, Hixon was there…just an excellent play by DRC. If Hixon may the play in his favor, which was close to happening, it would have been an incredible play.
As for HAM? That was a sure fire TD he simply dropped. Inexcusable, perfectly thrown ball.
Its obvious…but HAM has to make that play. That’s a TD.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of the game against the Eagles last year
like, if Hix or anyone else gets that open again, they damn well better not drop the ball
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
that Hixon drop, who knows how the rest of the game plays out…or even if he takes it to the house, but you gotta make the catch (I don’t care if he did the Steve Smith flop to the ground…catch the damn ball).
HAM? that drop at the 2 yard line, the ball couldn’t be an better placed, they need to make the catches.
I don’t know if their beating themselves (no pun…) is the sole reason for making them lose…but it sure isn’t helping.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad the NFL banned 'stickum'
Thanks to Lester Hayes (Oakland)..That guy had that shit dripping off of him..Hands, Helmet, Jersey, pants..He was a walking pine tree…A cannon ball would stick to him!! When that guy intercepted a pass, the trainers literally would have to use a pry bar to get the ball out of hands on the sidelines.
Ham and Hixon sure could use some of that stuff, because their hands are coated with grease…
by Bobbiblue on Oct 30, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see those quotes Cj..
I don’t think Westbrook is going to be able to go this week, so we have that advantage..I don’t like to see a great player hurt, but he is still looking up at the stars at night trying to pick out his horoscope..and Mcnabb smiles alot during the game but can’t scramble or run anymore..If our defense gets it all together this week then they are going to have a tough day..I know we all applauded the fact that our defense played better, but they have far more potential than what we witnessed last week.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Westbrook
I would actually be shocked if he plays this week. Not only was he concussed he was knocked out. Were talking about head trauma and not a simple knee sprain. I do remember a story on here about the NFL and perhaps it relationship with dementia, or other head related injuries. It sounds serious and coincidentally, Goodell is going in front of congress about concussions. God forbid BW was cleared to play and something were to happen.
Back in action after 6 days of being knocked out, only to jeopardize it happening again, and it might not take too much either! The game is meaningless, but the players health for the rest of his life could hang in the balance!
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman retired
because he was knocked out (3-4 times, as I recall.) The docs told him he was risking a lot if he continued. I saw an interview with that wild man from ND (can’t recall his name at the moment.,) an LB who tackled with his helmet, spit at opponents , etc. (he played for Denver and Oakland.) He described playing a game as being involved in 12 auto collisions. It was clear he was punch drunk.
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Yep, that's the guy
He had an appropriate nickname. I can’t dredge that from my memory bank, either.
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he was actually a modern version of a dirty player
Whether it was a game or practice against his own teammates, he didn’t seem too pleasant to be around. His rap sheet is also a telling tale too!
Like Bobbi alluded to with brain damage, Romanowski was involved with steroids (admittedly) and pharmaceutical drugs (alledged with his wife). Not a very good mixture considering the sport!
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that Romanowski was crazy..
And an apparent drug and steroid addict..known to smash his own teamates in practice wrecklessly…Another wild man whom I play golf with once in awhile is Ted Hendricks..He didn’t do steroids..but let me tell you..He did and does alot of booze!..I met him at a Larry Little charity golf tournament and we talk on the phone occasionally..I asked him about Madden’s story about them being in the restroom and seeing Ted throw a 20 Dollar bill in the toilet..He dropped a quarter in the toilet by accident and Madden asked him if he was okay: Teddy what the hell are you doing!!..are you okay?!?..and Ted told him:“Damn coach I am not reaching in this toilet for a Quarter!!”…Ted confirmed to me that that did indeed happen..haha!
That guy will sometimes call me in the middle of the night half in the bag and very chatty…These linebackers have genes in them that we know nothing about!!..LT was another crazy nut..He never had any personality towards the fans even though we loved him..but one day after training camp..I went to a local bar that the players frequented..I couldn’t believe what I witnessed..LT was doing shots, and then would stand up on the bar and dive off of it into a headstand!!..I was like, Holy crap!!..this guy is missing a couple of screws in his head!!..Linebackers..a totally different breed..Dick Butkis was known for being a cannibal..He would literally bite people in the pile!..Matt Millen’s eyes are still one inch and a half apart..He reminds me of “Shrek”..I could go on and on, but I don’t want to write a book..haha!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 30, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romanowski
I drive through Romo’s hometown of Rockville several times a week… and let me tell you maybe it’s not the roids and drugs that messed him up because his wackiness seems normal by Rockville standards.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 30, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Troy retired in time to save himself
But I don’t know what you guys think..But when I listen and watch Steve Young talk I get a little concerned about him..He tends to be all over the place..I think he really is suffering from this syndrome..and it hasn’t yet manifested yet..but it will.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young was a great runner as well as passer.
He might have taken more punishmnet than Aikman.
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Most of Aikman’s concussions occured being sacked..Young’s were both sacks and running..He took a beating over his career..and he doesn’t always sound completely coherent at times when you watch and listen to him..It’s not that he doesn’t make good points, it is more the way he expresses them that worries me..I’m glad the league is trying to do something about this..Maybe they need another helmet upgrade.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 30, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
westbrook:
plays and gets 150 ttl yards…
even if he DOESN’T play, he’ll probably get at least 100
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like if AP doesn't play, he still gets burned! lol
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that was bad..!!
Your new nickname: “Bad bad leroy Hoot”..lol
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so Bobbi
It’s bad enough that Ed has given CC that name. That song is now forever embedded into my memory whenever i see #41! I see his name, i see him on tv, and the memory juke box kicks in, and for all the wrong reasons! lol
I would prefer a nickname that’s associated with something heavier. Metallica or Godsmack at the very least, would suffice to my liking! BTW, they’re rock/metal bands if you didn’t know! :P
It’s bad enough that i’ve been called “Hootie And The Blowfish”. Actually, they’re tolerable though! lol
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Hootman, what makes you think
this seventy-six year old doesn’t know from heavy metal? My son plays guitar in a heavy metal band. It’s his fifth one. So far, none of them has succeeded. I told him to go to Germany or Scandanavia if he wants to make a decent living playing heavy metal. Much better chance of succeeding there, IMO
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it would be my shallow stereotype thinking,
Thinking some might not have heard of this or that. Ooops, i’m bad and not CC! (grrr Ed) But kudos for good taste in knowing this type of music that my own mother would look at me with a god awful stare! lol
And good luck to your son.
by Hootman on Oct 30, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like some of it, not all.
My son does some exotic stuff with Middle Eastern influences that I find intriguing.
by blue gonz on Oct 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha!!!
Okay I’ll make every effort to come up with another nickname!!..Yes Ed has reintroduced us all to Jim Croce and my head hurts also!!..Lately, when I go to the store and get a quarter in my change, the mental juke-box kicks in..Bad bad Leroy Brown fires up!!..I am like Aaaahhhhh!!Stop the madness..Thanks Ed!!..We have some guys out here including me, that will now need therapy!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!
If it makes you feel better, I have Croce songs running thru my head all day now. What have I done? Make it stop!!!!! Please!
by Ed Valentine on Oct 30, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes your right..
There was a study conducted regarding long-term effects of concussions and how that equates to future dimentia..I don’t like to see any player get hurt..I don’t care who they play for..It is not worth rushing back in there, although they definitely do try..but the NFL is doing something about it and that is great for the Players and the sport.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
beware of PJ Hill
the eagals plucked him from the saints practice squad, he’s a load
by r c a on Oct 29, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If PJ can't pass block
McNabb might have a load, where he doesn’t want one! lol
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They used to give them smelling salts and
send them back in. It’s a wonder no one got killed. That’s why the Flying Wedge was outlawed—people got killed.
by blue gonz on Oct 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, bberry freakout above…
What happened to the slant route?
One of the best weapons against blitzing teams and man to man are slant routes. Can anyone remember when we tore a team up with good slants?
by Nevets on Oct 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas game.
That was it.
Since HAM and SWISS had 10+ catches each and 100++ yards…of course that sort of game plan will never work again.
Must save that one for when we really need it. Like the flag football game in January in Hawaii that may happen if the Giants continue to forget about it.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Execution
is the bigger problem IMO, not that the play calling has been good, it hasn’t been, but in the NO game Eli missed a couple of sure TD"s. Against AZ Eli just didn’t look like his usual cool, calm self and we still had a chance to tie at the end if it wasnt for the int,
This weeks game will be the true guage of where we are, I don’t think Philly is playing all that good, and if we just execute better, make throws, catch those throws, run with power while holding on to the ball and pressure McNugget I think we would win handily, will this happen???? No telling which Giants team will show up.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Oct 29, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know what your saying overall with execution
But, this is a two game skid where either Eli was on, WR’s not and vice versa. These occurrence’s have come through the long ball. At some point, there’s going to be a drop in confidence, whether it’s throwing or catching the ball. Thing’s may need to be scaled back some to regain some confidence, if for no other reason than to keep drives going!
It’s as if they’re trying to force the issue (out of stubborness) and everything will resolve itself? That may be so, but it’s a costly proposition to take, especially given the recent, not-so success rate!
by Hootman on Oct 29, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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