Let's run fewer plays from the shotgun formation
Ok, I adimit it. I am always on edge when Eli stands back, tries to guess what the defense is giving him, while all our players fidgit and sqirm while they try to figure out in the last four seconds before the snap what they are suposed to do. Inevitably the clock winds down to the last two seconds and everyone on offence is struggling to get set and prepare for the things Eli pointed out while the defense, under no such posture restrictions gets a good running start since with two seconds left they know exactly when to start their rush.
When the shotgun first came into vogue, teams like the Cowboys used it primarily when they had to pass and both teams knew it. Defenses weren't all that sophisticated then and guys like Staubach used the quick look at the field while they were taking the snap to determine what coverage he was up against.
Now that Peyton has taken the shotgun to it's highest level everyone wants to imitate him. Don't get me wrong. I think the shotgun has it's place in the game plan. I just think there is good reason to stay under center more often and these are the reasons why I think that.
1. Play action passing. There is no better way to execute a play action pass than from under center. Since the quarterback is running away from the defensive players they get less of a look at the ball and are more easily fooled. In the game against the Cardinals I don't remember seeing one good play action fake in the entire game.
2.Time management. When you just walk up to the line of scrimmage and have 15 seconds or so to snap the ball it gives the offense the edge. This is true because inevitably the defense against our shotgun faints and dictates our plays by moving into what appears to be a certain look, then changes as the count runs down. Suddenly Eli decides to change the play or (futily) point someone out who is setting up to blitz. This gives the defense the edge since they might as well know the snapcount when the clock is nearly zero.
3. Offensive mindset. I think we are often tentative while in the shotgun, trying more to finess the defense rather than making them reacdft to us. In Sunday's game aginst the Cardinals my favorite series was the one where we put in two tight ends and blasted the run at the defense. This resulted in two good runs and left us a third and two. As I recall we didn't run for the two yards and endied up punting one more time. As good as the Cardinal defense is against the run, I think we could have run the ball enough had we tried to make our passing game more effective. Personlly I think we can run against any team in the league if we just commit to it.
Well, what do you think?
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I don't mind the shotgun.
I think it helped a lot last year, especially if they’re gonna run the draw out of it. That Bradshaw fumble really killed it last week, but that’s not cuz they were in the shotgun, it was cuz Bradshaw wouldn’t go down (is that really a bad thing now?)
I agree, I would have liked lining up in the I and pounded forward. I guess that means less shotgun…but don’t take it away.
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by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you 100%, 57
As you say, the shotgun has its place, but the team seems to use it excessively. Have you noticed that today’s QBs just aren’t as deceptive on hand offs as were the old timers? Unitas in particular was a magician, seemingly putting the ball right into a gut before pulling it out.
by blue gonz on Oct 28, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it also has something to doe with swagger.
When you know you can run the ball you can just step up to the line and call your play wlithout all the hystrionics. That’s the way Vince Lombardi did it. No surprises, just perfect execution no matter what the defense does.
by giant fan since 57 on Oct 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
You’re criticism of the shot gun is based more on Eli making adjustments and using too much time than on the formation itself. We will need to use shotgun at times, so it would be better if the problems with it were fixed instead of avoiding it. I could be way out of line here, but I see no reason why the OC couldn’t help Eli out, helping with recognition of defenses, prepared ways to counter defensive changes, etc.
by Deal With It on Oct 28, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another problem
is that I see frustration from Eli when the play is slow getting to him. If the OC got involved in recognition I think that would just slow things down even more.
I’m not in favor of eliminating the shotgun. I just think it would be more effective if used more sparingly, like the wildcat is by teams like Miami. I also think that we could turn the tables on the defense by shifting back to a normal set from the shotgun once in a while and make the defense react at the last second.
The bottom line for me is that we can run the ball on virtually any defense if we are more persistant and that just leads to better passing opportunities rather than the low percentage throws we are forced into by being so predictable.
by giant fan since 57 on Oct 29, 2009 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plays getting to Eli to slowly
We talk about how smart Eli is and his QB pedigree, how would you feel if the Giants gave him total control out there and let him call his own plays. I for one would love to see this happen for at least a half.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think there are some inherent weaknesses in the formation
and excessive use exacerbates them.
by giant fan since 57 on Oct 29, 2009 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem
is that we were winning into the 2nd half
And what do we do? Go into shotgun, 3 incomplete passes, and turn it over.
We should have ran it, ran, and ran it again.
Than if we punt, at least we would have killed time.
I like the shotgun, but not when you’re winning, and not on 1st and 10.
by Willgfass on Oct 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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