Alright let's start talking about next wk's game
by Joe_D on Oct 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT
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Two teams who are struggling in certain areas and both fighting for a top spot in the NFC E. This game could turn out to be pivotal down the stretch.
a) Awesome young talent at the skill posistions
b) Solid defensively aside from covering TEs
Our Weaknesses
a)Shoddy O-line play
b)Shoddy play from McNabb
Only got a chance to catch 2 G-men games this year and so far I gathered:
-Eli is struggling with the high throws
-Jacobs is off to a slow start
-Young WRs are playing well
-O-line play is good
-D-line not playing up to it's accustomed standards.
-Secondary is weak.
What else am I missing here?
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Hi, I'll do my best to answer
-Eli is struggling with the high throws
Recently, yes. Beginning the season, he was making all of the throws. The last 2 games, its been a combination of good DB plays on the ball, Receivers not making the play (i.e. Manningham drops), and a few horrible throws.
-Jacobs is off to a slow start
Was off to a slow start. The last two games have been vintage jacobs, just we haven’t been getting him the ball enough. Also, his YPC average has gone down (we theorized) because he isn’t as effective in the 3rd and short, 4th and short, because of his big frame. Jacobs takes time to get a full steam, and putting 8 men in the box makes it hard for him to start running. Recently he’s been doing much better and has been much more jacobs-esque
-Young WRs are playing well
yup, biggest surprise to me. While I thought Smith would do good, Manningham and Nicks have stepped up much more than I thought they would at this point. Although Manningham frustrates us because while he makes some awesome plays (quick throw to him, and he makes some guys miss), he also seems to be more concerned with YAC than making sure he catches the ball. Most obviously last Sunday he had the sure TD.
-O-line play is good
Considering the 8 men in the box and lots of blitzes, I’ll agree with that
-D-line not playing up to it’s accustomed standards.
Definitely. We all expected Tuck, Osi, and Kiwanuka to have more than the 9-10 sacks they have right now. Our DT aren’t doing what we thought they would, which may become better when we get Canty back. We do seem to get pressure, just not sacks though.
-Secondary is weak.
Our safeties are weak. Webster is a shutdown corner, and Thomas Terrel does pretty good. Getting Ross back would be super
We definitely miss Phillips. CC Brown is subpar in pass coverage to put it nicely, although he makes big hits. Michael Johnson is just average.
Our linebackers are our weak point. We can’t wait until Boley comes back.
by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Willgfass summed it up good..but I'll add...
I think that foot is bothering him. Eli seems to always get these injuries that affect his throwing around this time of the year (its been the shoulder by way of swan dive by a fat the past 2 years)
I’ll tie the WR into that…the WR are doing well cuz overall, Eli’s doing well. The WR would do better if they’d fight for a deep ball or two (which for about 70% of the time..are on the money from Eli)
O-Line has been good on the pass, its mostly plays taking too long to develop that leads to their sacks. Eli is as elusive as he’s ever been back there too, so that helps. The running game has been in a bit of a slump but that’s really not their fault…..
….its been Jacobs. Really, he just isn’t that automatic short yardage guy he was in the past. Also, he’s trying to finesse throw holes instead of barging right through. He’s healthy, so that’s good. Also, lately its not really his fault he’s not producing, they aren’t giving him the damn ball (hopefully that changes against Philly).
Bradshaw has been excellent too…yet they went away from the run entirely too early in the Saints game and they went to Bradshaw entirely too much against the Cards. The Giants need to remember that Jake is the #1.
Secondary and LB’s get exposed, cuz the D-Line is not getting pressure. Tuck is hurt, Osi’s still recovering too. Antonio Pierce is the fastest LB out there…not saying much about Danny Clark and Chase Blackburn. If whatever’s wrong with Clint Sintim gets healed (hamstring? A Clue? ) and Boley comes back, maybe it becomes a strength.
Safety’s gonna be a problem, getting Ross back might provide some help, I don’t know.
Eagles and Giants are both a shell of their former preseason “pencil in to play 3 games this year” selves. We’re both banged up. I know the Giants could use a bye, the Eagles (unfortunately for you) already had theirs.
As always, gonna be a good one. And…as always, the first game between these 2…probably the opposite will happen in game 2.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Bradshaw will play?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
He’s been like that for the last few weeks.
Just extra precautions
by Willgfass on Oct 29, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Westbrook’s been like that the last few years…so we understand
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Westy
he may kill the G-Men, but I hope he recovers from his concussion (that collision was just nasty to watch).
by brisulph on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it was tough
he was actually unconscious for a little while…we’re all wishing him the best, and the good news is there’s a (I really think VERY SMALL) chance he’ll play this weekend. They’re calling day to day and a game time decision…I think we’ll run without him, but it’s good news that his ability to play is even being considered
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I for one hope he sits out
I would love for the Giants to beat the Birds while they’re at full strength, we are talking about a brain injury here. I’m no doctor but if something were to happen to my head or brain, I’d take more than a week off. It’s not like he’s going out to drive a cab, we’re talking about strapping it on for more possible hits to the head. This is an important game but it’s better to be wise that being tough or hardcore.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well everyone reacts differently to these types of things
I just hope he gets gauged correctly… too many oatmeal brains out there in the retirement populations of Football and Hockey.
by brisulph on Oct 29, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I’ve never had a concussion, so I can’t rightly say that he should sit or play. Speaking for myself, if it were my head or brain, I’d take the extra time just to be sure. Westbrook has a lot of terrorizing…I meant to say football, left in him. If I were the coach, I’d sit him. Better safe than sorry.
by njgiant on Oct 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he may kill the G-Men, but I hope he recovers from his concussion
I appreciate that… much more human than the moron at the monday night game who yelled that he wanted westbrook and his mother to die
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 30, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am always for the well being of players
Not enough people seem to care about the individual, regardless of their team affiliation. Westbrook may be involved in some of the more infamous beatdowns I have witnessed, but I don’t want the guy to be a drooling mess (and I think most Giant fans would agee).
by brisulph on Oct 30, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome young talent at the skill posistions
Interesting you’d put this for the Eagles and not the Giants. Granted, DeSean is a stud, but after that the awesomeness of Eagles young skill players is only speculative. Maclin had one big game against Tampa, and even so his production is below Nicks’. And LeSean’s 2.5 rushing average over the last three games is far from awesome. I’ll take Ahmad over him in a heartbeat, and he’s only 2 years older.
by XLII on Oct 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
and we have a much younger QB & RB1
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 27, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To argue that point you would have to compare...
Bradshaw’s rookie numbers to McCoy’s. Honestly though Bradshaw is better but you cant really compare a player’s first season to another player’s third season there is a learning curve. Also as much talk as there was coming into this year about Westbrook wearing down Jacobs is showing the same signs. With his bruising style of play I think it’s possible to speculate Jacobs might not punish the Eagles in his usual manner. Which acutally might work out better for the Giants. In my opinion the Eagles have an easier time stacking 8 and bringing down the big man then they do having 4-6 in and stopping Bradshaw.
I think the Giants WR are talented… Steve Smith is absolutely killing it out there, but overall the Eagles should be able to man up 1 on 1 with our CBs and win the battle. Our weak spot in the secondary is the rookie Macho Harris. If he finds himself on an island against Smith it is game over. I’ll take my chances with any other matchup.
Boss has been pretty quiet this year. I have only watched 3 Giants games so far so I dont know if he is hurt or what but him having another quiet game Sunday would be awesome. Coverage on TEs has clearly been a weak spot for the Eagles this year.
The Giants D-line hasn’t been piling up the sacks but that doesn’t really seem to matter as long as they can get pressure on McNabb. He has looked erradict the past two games and I’m hoping he steps up for this one. Usually he has a two game slump.. I hope it stops at two and we get away with a 1-1 record for it this year. If he has time to get into a rhythm he can light it up though so the first couple of series will be very important for the Eagles offense.
I see it as a close game.. we lost last year in Philly I hope that pisses off the players as much as it does me… homer in me has to go Birds 24- 20.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradshaw didn't really play much his rookie season....
when he did, I don’t see that same burst and skill from McCoy. I think McCoy is good and MAY be Westbrook’s replacement….but Bradshaw didn’t play till the end of the season and then the playoffs…where he was the Giants best back.
As for Jacobs….its just a shame that people still think he’s wearing down. He’s not. Its just the way they’ve used him. He’s had more of a slow start than anything, the last 2 game we’ve seen the Jacobs we all knew and remembered…..but they didn’t use him.
Why he has 20+ carries when he’s getting <4YPC…then much less that 20 carries when he’s breaking off 10 yarders…I have not a single clue.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the burst...
Had more to do with the amount of reps. Correct me if im off on this one but didnt Bradshaw see his playing time jump way up in the playoffs. To me it would seem like he was fresh against defenders that had just knocked out 18 weeks of snot knocking football. McCoy is coming in and with Bwest out being asked to carry the #1 load. I think if he were used more as a compliment back he might have a bit more burst than what we are seeing now. In truth though I think his run game is more of a shifty nature. Make people miss more than run by everyone. Bradshaw is probably faster in that nature but I think McCoy has a more natural ability to find the hole and get up in there for the yards.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no your right on Bradshaw's rookie year...
he did get saved for the playoffs.
He basically refutes that he’s going up against beaten opponents as he’s been torching defenses whenever he gets on the field.
He’s a bit of a bonehead at times, he is a firey guy and his emotions get the best of him sometimes (which is probably a big reason why Coughlin didn’t use him more in the past…that and Derrick Ward was very good).
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradshaw is probably faster in that nature but I think McCoy has a more natural ability to find the hole and get up in there for the yards.
Now I haven’t seen any of McCoy, so I am not going to bother refuting the comparison, but I think you’re off-base on your assessment of Bradshaw. He is by no means a track star; I can recall numerous occasions where he’s been caught from behind while racing towards the endzone. Bradshaw is so effective precisely because of his vision and his explosiveness. Most times, when it looks like Bradshaw is caught in the backfield, he’ll find the cutback lane and turn a 2-yard loss into a 4-yard gain.
by XLII on Oct 28, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that on AB
He had two ankle-breaking moves against the Bucs within nano seconds apart, and on the second cut, he accelerated upfield with a burst. He’s quick, agile and has good vision, but his top end speed can be fairly questioned!
His ball security can be questioned too, but i think that has something to do with his relentlessness of every run. He fights for every inch when he should play it safe and call it a play!
by Hootman on Oct 28, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same with McCoy
That is my biggest concern for him at this point. He holds the ball high and away which can lead to some loose balls. I am very happy with his pass blocking so far, he still has rookie mistakes with his assignments but they are getting far and few between as the games continue. The fumbles are a little harder to swallow but hopefully he gets to work shutting them down.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leseans numbers are low because we simply dont run the football
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 30, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick look at stats...
Receptions :
Smith – 45
Hicks – 16
Jackson – 21
Maclin – 18
Receiving Yards :
Smith – 594
Hicks – 315
Jackson – 423
Maclin – 246
Touchdowns :
Smith – 4
Hicks – 4
Jackson – 5 (3 RCV, 1Rush, 1ST)
Maclin – 2
Jackson –
7 Carries, 115 yds, 1 TD, Long 67
(Just throwing this in here because we use Jackson in that fashion as well. Smith and Hicks have no carries so I know it isn’t a comparision just a note on how Jackson can be used in the Eagles offense.)
First thoughts… dammit Smith is even better than I thought he was. Also Hicks and Maclin have pretty close numbers. I know Giants fans will argue this point but take away a 62 yard TD deflection and things are even more similar. Edge is obviously to the Giants on top 2 WR but I would still take Jackson over Smith for all the extra stuff he does, punts, end-arounds, etc. Besides that Hicks and Maclin are pretty even and Smith is clearly an extra level above either of those two at this point.
Also wanted to throw this out there… again don’t know if Boss is hurt or what but Celek has really stepped it up this year for us and has to be acknowledged in our passing game.
Receptions :
Boss – 14
Celek – 33
Receiving Yards :
Boss – 196
Celek – 386
Touchdowns :
Boss – 0
Celek – 2
Overall this just goes to show how evenly these teams really are matched.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 5:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean Hakeem NICKS right?
as for Boss, he may be hurt. He got hurt in that Chiefs game with a high ankle sprain, that is probably why he’s not out there getting thrown to a lot.
He’s in there blocking a ton tho, so I don’t know if its true that he’s hurt tho.
Its not really that Boss has been quiet…they just won’t know what he is cuz they don’t throw him the ball.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NICKs...
ya dammit I’ve been doin that all season sorry.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I keep screwing it up...
Because it’s Hakeem Nicks? I just cut out the akeemN. In other words I am slow.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone does that
including Keyshawn Johnson, on national TV broadcasts…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen alot of people do it too
It’s probably just a case where they can rhyme when thinking about another. Nicks, Hicks (which could be short for Hixon) and Hixon rhymes with Nixon. Though i don’t have a clue where Nixon fits in? lol
I’ll admit, sometimes i catch myself calling Westbrook, Bryant? I know his brother is Byron, i just can’t figure out where i get Bryant? It sounds familiar, but i can’t pin-point it!
by Hootman on Oct 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was a Bryant Westbrook
I’m not sure if this is true, but I think he was a high draft pick of the Lions, like 5th overall from Texas a while ago. Maybe even the same draft as Bryan. Like any Lions pick, he was bust.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one was a skin?
There was a redskin WR named Westbrook too right? 1st rounder I think.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're talking about
Michael Westbrook from Colorado. I don’t remember Bryant Westbrook.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably should have done this before...
but I shat you not, there is someone who went by Bryant Westbrook
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read the shat
but I don’t remember this cat.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, me too, but i didn't feel like looking it up lol
Originally, i thought he was a DB, and he was a CB. So i was on the right track. It seemed like he was on pace for a decent career, until the ruptured achilles tendon. For anyone who relies on speed, that’s probably the nail in the career coffin.
by Hootman on Oct 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bryant Westbrook
Is a cornerback who did play for the Lions and I think is still in the NFL somewhere.
by DavidE on Oct 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, his career was pretty short! 1997-2003!
Det. > Dal. > G.B.!
by Hootman on Oct 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not start with the "stats" thing
To be real, either team could take these numbers to favor their team. If I were comparing WRs, I would compare Smith to Maclin and Nicks to Jackson. While Nicks does not return punts or run gimmick plays, he is averaging 19.5 ypc compared to Jackson’s 20 ypc. Per these numbers, Smith is averaging 13.2 ypc and Maclin, 13.5 ypc. If I twist the numbers like this, I’d say that Maclin and Hicks are far from pretty even when it comes to production, cleary Nicks would be doing more with less.
Eagles are going to get more production from the TE position. For some strange reason, we just don’t use that position as a weapon. I just hope AP can keep up with Celek.
This is going to be a great game as usual. Both of these teams need this win badly. Lots of questions to be answered by both teams. Should be another hard fought game decided by a field goal.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't trying to twist facts...
Just listed them as they were on NFL.com… also to argue against your averages.. what does a 62 yard deflection do to an average? It’s closer than the numbers and that’s why I said they were pretty even.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would take it to a 16.9 ypc
Basically 17 yards per catch.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and one more thing... I'm dead serious here no sarcasm..
What do you determine a gimmick play to be? Like I would say Flea Flicker for sure, Wildcat… i dont know that seems like a matchup thing to me… End-around to wideout seems like a pretty normal run play. Honestly where do you draw the line on gimmick / standard. To some people the spread offense was gimmick when it first came out. This is an honest post just trying to see what people think on that one please don’t take it as a smart @$$ comment.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not taking it that way at all
As far as gimmick plays, Flea Flicker yes, Wildcat, yes, unless it’s Miami. They seem to be the only team to run it at will and with conviction. We got caught last week and was fooled big time. Fitz uncharacteristically dropped the ball but I think there was an offensive penalty anyway.
I’m not knocking any of the Eagles players, they always put a good product out there. To me the scariest Eagle on that team is Westbrook. If we’re Goliath, he is most definitely David. As for the receiving corps, I just don’t feel it’s necessary to get into the number comparison game. Both corps bring different things to the table and both have been effective.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gimmick, razzle dazzle, gadget-play
I guess you could consider these all to be the same. Moreless a play that deceives, or tricks another for their advantage. I think it’s the frequency of how each play is used. The wildcat for instance would be considered a gimmick to the Giants. Not so with the Dolphins as it seems to be part of their offense. Even the flea-flicker, i’m sure all teams have it their playbook, and it can come out of multiple formations, but it’s how much they use it. Not very often, so i would consider this a gimmick!
Overall though, if a team runs a play that is not expected (and not the norm), it’s for the soul purpose of deception at when a team deems appropriate for the given situation.
by Hootman on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya gotta agree
Anything out of the normal is pretty much gimmick. I guess that’s why I see the end around to Jackson as standard… on that same note I think an off tackle run is a mis-direction play for the Eagles.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just thinking about it
If the Eagles ran the ball 25-30 times for a game, that would be considered a gimmick. Given Reids abandonment of rushing the ball, who would expect this many carries?! lol
by Hootman on Oct 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i hate the whole stat thing
Last year you guys were twisting stats saying Hixon is as good as DeSean Jackson. I did mention that I thought the Giants young WRs were playing well… Especially Manningham, who would’ve thought?
McCoy’s low production is more due to bad O-line play
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 28, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah,
You can throw the stat thing out the window, especially in a big divisional game.
McCoy’s low production is more due to bad O-line playI’ll buy this line quicker than the “learning curve” thing. Plenty of rooks come in and put up stagerring numbers, Forte, Johnson, Slaton. Line play has a lot to do with that “learning curve”.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O line is HUGE
and Eagles supposed strength for that spot has been downgraded due to injury/not seeming to care about playing football/not learning the damned system fast enough. If the Eagles ever get the O Line back in order though, that is a scary looking unit.
by brisulph on Oct 28, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the big question is.....
Can our D line take advantage of this situation?
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure we can
But we need to blitz more. Put pressure on McNabb.
by wangstu13 on Oct 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
pressure has really seemed to bother McNabb this year…his play is off
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah see the Oakland game
They got to him early and he had happy feet the rest of the game
This is actually why i wish the eagles would come out and run the ball a lot early
However we all know thats not happening
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 30, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
definiately
with the way we’re playing — sure.. and get pressure on mcpuke, and his passes start going in the dirt… however, give him some time and our speedy WRs favor us.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea..
if they don’t get to NAB, Jackson’s gonna toast CC Brown.
That said, so do the Eagles D-Line.
I really don’t know if the Giants will or will not stick with the whole deep ball thing, but its gotta work sooner than later, and maybe they pick on Macho Harris a bit? Smith and HAM are due, as is Nicks to semi-break out (he’s had plenty of good games, but most of the yards were garbage time..and last week’s 62 yd tip..tho he did run away from DRC..no small feat)
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the problem is getting to McNabb
the problem is bringing him down once you get to him. McRibbs has to be one of if not the strongest QB out there. Arm tackles have not and will not work on this guy. He does a great job of buying time with his legs, his lower body strength is without question. Gmen have wrap him up when they get to him or Jac and Mac are going to have a field day.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive missed a few G-men games...
How is Osi lookin this year? Also does it make you guys feel better knowing im more worried about Peters getting torn up than I am Justice…scares me just thinking about it.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
about the rest of the board, but I don’t think Osi has looked all that great this year. If I were to grade him, I’d give him a C.
by njgiant on Oct 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Osi?
No one knows. I mean he looks like he’s got that speed still. His FF TD in game one may have gotten to his head, he’s going after the ball rather than the body most of the time.
We all forget about major injuries after a while for some reason, but the reality the guy has taken a year off, he’s gonna need time, possibly the whole year to return to form.
I don’t think he’ll need the whole year, he’s been close. Maybe he’ll re-acquaint himself with Winston Justice and have a breakout game?
as For McNabb…yea, him and Romo have LOOONG been the pain in the ass for the Giants pass rushers, they just seem to miss.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
in no way is Hixon remotely close the Jackson.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd have agree with you there
if the kid can stay healthy he’s got a chance to be one of the best in the game
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone agree
the Giants chances at postseason play hinge largely on their div. record the rest of the way? Sounds obvious but it’s only 3 games out of 9…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
of course
We will need a few more victories but seeing how the easiest way to get into the playoffs without worrying about other teams is winning the division.
by wangstu13 on Oct 28, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya at this point...
It’s hard to say more than 1 team absolutely gets in from the East. Division winner makes it but how much faith do you have that if your team goes 10-6 or 11-5 they get a wild card spot. Atlanta, Green Bay, Chicago, even the Niners if their schedule is cushy enough. This goes for every team though. Dallas, Philly, NY. We all gotta saw let’s win our division and see what happens then. Even worse is it looks like the playoffs might go through NO which is not a very nice field to visit at all. Division games are looking to be pretty intense for the rest of the year, even more so then they normally are in the East.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a real issue for all of us this year
we’ve taken for granted that 2nd place in the East is an automatic playoff berth…that is VERY possibly not true when you look at the North and South.
Playoff team needs to win the division
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya know...
i agree with you that its certainly not a sure thing, but i still think its more likely than not.
SF doesnt scare me like they did in the first several weeks of the season… and i dont think the Falcons finish better than the 2nd place team in the East… if you figure that both the Vikings and Packers both get in, it still seems likely to me that both the Giants and the Eagles make the playoffs
Yeah thats right, forget about Dallas
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 30, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Yeah thats right, forget about Dallas
Who?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 30, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
The Giants Cowboys and Eagles are all either 4-2 or 5-2 (obviously at least one will have 3 losses after Sunday).
Regardless of who comes away with 3 losses after Sunday (hopefully the Cowboys are in there too :), all 3 still have a good shot.
Considering the other contenders are the Packers, Bears, Falcons and Niners…and how inconsistent they’ve played, given their track record, who’s on the team (Falcons D sucks, Cutler will choke, Packer’s O-line is a tomato can, Niners…believe it or not if Alex Smith is for real, they have the best shot of them all….their D is good but sees the field too much).
There is still the real possibility that 2 or even 3 from the east get in, again.
So, bottom line….WIN.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'm semi-joking on the Niners....
they’re as inconsisten as it gets, but Crabtree looked GOOD, Vernon Davis (he’s a captiain now…talk about 180…) being a go to option (a TE? Go to option?), and their defense is pretty good, the could turn it around….if Alex Smith actually is taht QB that played in the 2nd half.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never got the packer love
Rodgers is nice and all, but whoever thought their defense would be playoff caliber after less than a year of transition isn’t thinking right
Listening to the sports media, who in their right mind would have thought that Denver would have a better D than the Packers?
Same issue with the falcons.
While their offense is scary good (much better than the packers imo), their defense is like jello.
Bears I like better than the packers, and I’ve got to admit Miles Austin is a beast. He singlehandedly makes Romo look like a good quarterback again.
by Willgfass on Oct 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....Austin has been good...
but while he’s racked up a lifetime of yards for him already….the Chiefs and the Atlanta Jello’s secondaries didn’t exactly try to stop him.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, it will be interesting to see what he does against
say the eagles d 2 weeks from now.
But I think he’s going to be the real deal. While he won’t have as spectacular games, he’s definitely their #1 receiver.
by Willgfass on Oct 28, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's definitely
better than Roy Williams
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm better than Roy Williams
he sucks
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by cjmulrain on Oct 29, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be more beneficial for my Cowboys if you guys lose
but…but…I just can’t bring myself to pull for the Eagles…
Here’s hoping you guys win :)
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by Grady90 on Oct 29, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol...
I always find it funny how Giants and Eagles fans gang up and root for whoever plays the Cowboys…
And Giatns fans and …well we really don’t gang up, Cowboy fans just sort of ‘show up’ when the Giants play the Eagles.
….and no one cares about the Redskins.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 30, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
including Snyder
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 30, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about the Eggles
The injury report lists 14 Eagles in various stages of practice participation:
Victor Harris, Dimitri Patterson, Brian Westbrook,
Nick Cole, Todd Herremans, Darren Howard, DeSean Jackson, Max Jean-Gilles, Akeem Jordan, Jeremy Maclin, Jason Peters, Victor Abiamiri, Kevin Curtis, Omar Gaither.
I’d like to know what value you place on these players, who is likely to definitely play and who will def. miss the game, and who might be affected in their play by injuries.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 30, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
p.s. Nick Cole = Nicole
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 30, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell is Dimitri Patterson?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CB, he's listed as doubtful over at BGN.
Either way, i’m guessing it would be difficult for him to make a healthy gameday active given their DB depth?!
by Hootman on Oct 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson is actually active alot...
He is a main gunner on punt and kickoff coverage. According to the numbers for ST they put out he must be doing something good as he is one of the point leaders for special teams. All that in consideration.. I dont think he even plays this week due to his injury. If I remember correctly he tweaked a hammy or some type of muscle strain.. It’ll nag and he’ll prolly be out for at least 2-3 more weeks.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 30, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just based my assumption off a quick glance of the roster
Injuries or not, i was thinking Samuel, Brown and Hobbs as the main CB’s. Following that up with Harris, Demps and Jones as the S’s! Though i’ve heard things about Hanson and Jack (who i call JIBTA, lol) i wasn’t sure about D. Patterson.
When healthy, he must be an important ST’er!
I seriously don’t know how to go about Jack’s last name! lol
by Hootman on Oct 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think jack got cut anyway...
which made that fool who thought he was better than Asante Samuel…even more of a fool.
I didn’t realize there was a Dimitri Patterson on the Eagles. I thought it was supposed to be Mike Patterson….
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike is the DT..
Dimitri is the DB and Jack is on thre practice squad.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Nov 2, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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