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New York Giants news and notes: Sunday's game is critical

Gary Myers of the New York Daily News did not mince words discussing the importance of Sunday's game in Philadelphia for the suddenly slumping New York Giants.

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One week is an aberration, two weeks is a slump, three weeks is a collapse.

The Giants have pushed right past step two and they desperately need to beat the Eagles in Philly on Sunday to avoid step three and restore order to their season.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the Giants looked like the best and most complete team in the league. But in the last two weeks, they've been put in their place by the Saints, the last of the undefeated teams in the NFC, and the Cardinals, the defending conference champions. It raises legitimate questions about just how far they can go this season.

Did they get through the first month undefeated simply because they were playing the dysfunctional Redskins and the inept Buccaneers, Chiefs and Raiders in their 5-0 start? Or were they just playing superior football compared to the mess they've put on the field the last two games?

Those games against the NFL's worst teams have proven to be misleading about where they Giants are right now and if nothing else provided them with a false sense of security. But just as their season fell apart after they zoomed all the way to 11-1 last season, they can turn things around this year before they spiral out of control.

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Here are a couple of opinions from other Giants' bloggers on the state of the Giants.

  • Giants 101 is really bumming.

    For the first time since Superbowl XLII, I feel like I have been completely dragged back to earth. In 2008, The Giants were crushing their opponents at will spare one bump in the road in Cleveland. Then of course, The Plaxico Burress Saga began. Even with that said, the 2009 season held a lot of promise. In the first five weeks, The Giants showed why. Recently, not so much. The Giants have dropped two games in a row, and have showed that they have real issues.
  • Over at Ultimate NYG, where they love to hate Kevin Gilbride, they are screaming for more play-action passes.

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Sure we ended up having to face 4 very weak opponents in the first 5 weeks. My issue of concern is that we werent tested very much during those weeks. Now we are being tested. And for 2 games we responded rather weakly. Our biggest game of the season is this week. We all knew this before we played the Saints. If we beat the Eagles then we are 3-0 in the division (with home games against Dal/Phi). Everyone and there grandmother will be up for this game. This is a must win game to right the ship. I know we all are very nervous at this point, very different from about 10 days ago. Will we respond with Giants football?

by wangstu13 on Oct 27, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely the biggest game of the season coming up

but the Eagles haven’t exactly looked dominant, either. They struggled with the Redskins just as much as the Giants did, and they actually lost to the Raiders. I fully expect the Giants to win the game on Sunday, especially if Brian Westbrook can’t play.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 27, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree

I think this will be an important week all around for NY sports. This is like sibling rivalry, our little Philly brothers bumping heads with us. But I am a little worried about Eli. He didn’t do a great job against the cardinals blitz. If he can’t handle the appetizer, how will he do against the main course? With the addition of will withersppon, who was all over the field last night, this D just got that much better.

Ill put it on the table 1st, so I can’t be accused of changing my tune later. We need to blitz the hell out of mcnabb! A lot of yall seemed pretty happy with our blitzing last week, I for one wasn’t. As a matter of fact, I went back and counted our blitzes in the 1st quarter on pass plays. In 11 opportunities, we blitzed 3 times. 3 times! That is hardly an improvement on blitzing.

On the other side of the ball however, it seemed as if that AZ D was storming the wall every single down. And if not, they were at least hinting that they might.

Spags came from the school of blitz. I’d like to get back to some semblance of that, and soon. Like, this week soon….

by wilddre22 on Oct 27, 2009 11:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Agree with your point on the defense.

I think Sheridan is making tactical errors with his game planning. How in the world can he explain having Corey Webster cover the injured Boldin and not Fitzgerald? That one change would have changed the complexion of the game.

by Major on Oct 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you cant blitz

every time but more like the 60% range of all plays would be nice change of pace for once. We either get burned or it looks great. Just stick CWeb on Jackson. I think this week will be massive in the shit talk section with both the Phils and Yanks and Gmen and Eagles. Stay classy boys.

by wangstu13 on Oct 27, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

Ed will be working OT on the deleting and banning front

by G Fan in England on Oct 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say every time

just more than 30% of passing downs.

by wilddre22 on Oct 27, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's Go Yank-ees! [clap clap clap-clap-clap]

Let’s Go Yank-ees! [clap clap clap-clap-clap]
Let’s Go Yank-ees! [clap clap clap-clap-clap]

That is all.

by Cody K on Oct 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Giants blog.

Yankees suck.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yah yah yah.....

most of us are Yank fans. Big week to start shutting up Philly folk for us too.

BTW…I saw Papelbon at Gamestop the other day…apparently he was trying to return the hard drive from his PS3?

Wonder why?

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Judging by television ratings

most of us aren’t even baseball fans, much less Yankee fans.

by rzor on Oct 27, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that is clear overall, but

Yanks drew 3 times as many viewers in the NY area on Sunday than the Giants. Granted it was a series clinching game in the playoffs versus a week 7 football game, but still …

by potroast on Oct 27, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad can't stand baseball

but even he’ll watch the Yankee’s when they’re in the playoffs. I’m not sure what to make of that. Regardless, as long as the Red Sox lose, I’m fine. Sorry, tito (and the other BoSox fans on BBV).

by rzor on Oct 27, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New York is a baseball town first

and I’d even argue basketball second (though the Knicks and St. John’s have done a damn good job murdering that in recent years). Football doesn’t take precedence like it does in most other cities, though it’s still damn popular. New York is great – our 4th most popular sport is still more popular than most cities 2nd most popular sport.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, tito

You can’t get away with that here. Especially since I also write at Pinstripe Alley. We will all just have to get along.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 27, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would actually not mind the Yanks winning it all

IF the Giants can beat the Eagles this week and make NY-2, PHI-0

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

suprise!

its not the giants wr’s that have been the anticipated problem this season. they have lit up some awful teams.
but even in games they lose, the wrs arent awful. Maybe they dont make a few more plays, but steve smith has been a pro bowl type wr thus far. Manningham, will do 4 moves per catch to try to get the extra yards, but its his lack of concentration at times that burns himself. Nicks has been lucky and good. id like to see more of him.

the running game has to pick it up.

but most of all…. THE DEFENSE. what everyone was claiming to be the strength has looked weak against respectable opponents. Injuries piling up isnt making matters any better. Remember Chris Canty… great pick up. hes played just as much as you or me this season.
A promising secondary taken out by injuries is showing its talent is as deep as a puddle. CC Brown can takle and hit, but he cant cover. the giants strong d line, hasnt put enough pressure on opposing qbs this season. this is why they lose against good teams.

by ImaMoose on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather

the Giants figure this out now and finish strong like in ’07 instead of dominating the regular season and struggling in the postseason like in ’08. We have shown the last two years that the regular season means nothing (both on the good side and bad side) as long as you make the playoffs.

by DavidE on Oct 27, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yea..

I still feel there’s a run in this team.

That they’re playing possibly their worst football of the season right now? No biggie.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention

all the damn injuries. hopefully they’ll get some players back and be more dangerous at the end of the season when it matters more

by bmanley620 on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure.

Actually I’m not sure why he didn’t play against the Cards? Maybe saving him for the Eagles?

Wil Beatty was pretty good tho. Of course he could get Winston Justice’d by Trent Cole et. al….but I’m sayin, he looks like a TE out there and he runs about 6"7 320.

And I’m not sure if any of us are certain who will play this week. Guys have been coming down with injuries during practice and have missed 5 weeks already (Canty..Sintim…Ross even more time)

I think Kareem will play, but its actually not all that big a deal. Beatty, given some playing time of a few games, may be better.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They gave Beatty a lot of help, and as the great Cris Collinsworth pointed out, Snee had to point out his blocking assignments on every play.

I think the injury report will decide this game.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants fans have been

crying their eyes out about who’s missing, but frankly everybody’s missing somebody as the Eagles well know. You win with who ya got every Sunday, or lose with who ya got — not who ya wish you had.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

for you and Bye Dawk.

by brisulph on Oct 27, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

The injured Giants and Eagles would actually form a better team nucleus than what a lot of other teams have out there.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 27, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seth Payne (er, Beatty)

did a good job for a rookie, etc, but I’d rather see Mack come Sunday.

by blue gonz on Oct 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of the comments so far

We’ve faced two teams that have aggressive defenses and pressed our WR’s. There are points that we left on the field both games. It is time for the young WR’s to answer the call and start beating the techniques being used to stop them. Another loss isn’t the end of the world but we have to start seeing progress being made. One thing I’ve noticed is that Hixon is getting way more playing time at wideout and his incorporation into the offense has taken away from Smith and Manningham. Hixon just runs 9 routes and never catches the ball. Too much emphasis is being placed on him instead of continuing to develop the trio of Smith, Manningham and Nicks.

Not saying Hixon is at fault, just noting that he’s getting a look from the coaches that maybe he should not have gotten when Eli has such a good rapport with the other players.

by Major on Oct 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Hixon should stick to kick returns. They have definitely regressed w/Hixon in the lineup at WR. It has also hampered his Kick returning abilities. He needs to focus on one thing. Eagles corners are also going to press our WR’s, but I think they are overrated and they jump on the playaction too early. If we can establish the run we will definitely open up the passing game, especially on playaction.

LET'S GO G-MEN

by I_Formation27 on Oct 27, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR 1 and 2 should be

Smith and Nicks

From what I’ve seen of nicks, he’s our playmaker and Smith is the go to guy
If we throw it deep, it should be Nicks, never ever hixon.

And theres no way Hixon is 6 ft 2. He looks so wiry.

by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said this yesterday, or a portion of it...
Regulate Hixon to ST’s and utilize Smith, Ham, Nicks, Boss and Beckum to the receiving duties! Throwing Hixon into the mix seems to have put a damper on what was working while he was out!

I was actually responding to Freebradshaw implying that maybe Hixon is a jinx? If others are seeing it, maybe he is? It may seem a little absurd, but it is coincidental. Throwing Hixon into the mix now does make the WR picture a bit murkier. Everyone seemed to be settling into their roles when he was out.

KG giving Hixon more playing time as a WR only cuts into the success we had when he was out. Why implement another WR into the game plan, when in fact, you still have running backs?!

by Hootman on Oct 27, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were right on it Hootman

Hixon didn’t have good chemistry with Eli last season either. He reminds me of Ron Dixon, speedy and very good returner, fast wideout but doesn’t catch the ball. Nicks catches everything. Heck he kept is TD streak alive on his own!

by Major on Oct 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Hix had pretty good hands, having made a few tough catches last year, but

this year has been a differetn story. Smith is obviously far superior, and both Mario and Hakeem seem to have more natural ability.

by blue gonz on Oct 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the real problem

the #1 problem with this team is a lack of discipline. I think coach needs to rein these guys in a little because theyre getting sloppy and a little too full of themselves. I dont want to see Jacobs impression of Vai Sikehema in New Orleans or roaring before the game or Tucks dramatics when hes tired at the end of a game. I dont want to hear them say theyre not executing like they usually do. That implies that they rely on what they did yesterday instead of making it happen today.

by blooz on Oct 27, 2009 1:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I think that’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone say that a Coughlin team lacks discipline.

by potroast on Oct 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they really did against the Cardinals...

I haven’t seen so many mental lapses from them in a while.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definition of discipline

I think we are thinking of discipline differently then. IMO a lack of discipline leads to too many penalties, being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and general malaise. I didn’t see too much of that Sunday. I saw players not executing (simply getting beat). IMO, they’re 2 different things.

On that note, I don’t see Jacobs showing his emotions before the game as a problem either. Its an emotional game & if you take away that, then you’ll have a Raiders atmosphere on your hands where no one cares. As for Tuck’s dramatics, I don’t know what blooz is referring to.

by potroast on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was a lot of ill-timed penalties...

things like AB’s 15 unnecessary roughness, a few false starts, illegal formation type things. Of course the Delay of game thing…why Eli always has to snap the ball as the clock ticks Zero..I don’t know

There was both going on. I never have a problem with Jacobs stuff, nor Tuck’s.

Emotion is fine, stupidity like AB punching a helmet, are not.

I don;t think they lack discipline, not at all. For this game, and also the Saints game (more than a few offsides by the DT’s…), yea, this team has become all around undisciplined at the wrong times.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants only had 7 penalties on Sunday. I don’t think that’s really too undisciplined. I do agree on AB’s was though. That one was stupid.

by potroast on Oct 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw penalty

Bradshaw is a fiery dude. That stupid fat Cardinal player was laying on top of him, delaying the game, and probably talking some sh* as well. Granted, you gotta be a pro and not get the penalty, but all I’m sayin’ is I understand where he’s coming from.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discipline

I think that — on defense — there might be some guys (yes, Osi I am talking about you) freelancing too much instead of playing their assignments. But, I hardly think it’s a lack of discipline.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 27, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright, let's call it

a serious lack of focus then. Its almost like they’re having their post championship letdown a year late. This team isn’t focused the way it was down the stretch in 07 and in 08 before Plax ventilated his leg. I see them losing their attention to the little details that separate winners from losers. There is an overall loss of talent and production in the pass defense but that’s where the legit excuses end.

They can say it’s poor execution but that’s the same as playing undisciplined football, as far as I’m concerned. There’s a fine line between success and mediocrity and they aren’t bridging that gap right now and I think Coughlin needs to take them by the scruffs of their necks and give them a little reality check. There’s no reason why they should be playing the sloppy ball they are right now.

by blooz on Oct 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Giants,

Please bend over and remove head from ass, and start palying Giant Football!!!!!!!!!!!!

"18-1, write that book! ! "

by SB42 Living-a-Dream on Oct 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, really, the real problem is --

This is a mid-level team. far from elite, and the writing was on the wall last year, and most especially in pre-season. Right now I’m simply hoping for a play off spot, get an extra game in. This team is not going to the bowl. They don’t fix things — which I don’t think they can in some spots until players come back, CC Brown will not get better and the pass rush is poor, and will remain poor, and Eli CANNOT throw in the wind — so they don’t fix things,
I see the Eagles effen with them — Eagles 31, Giants 20.
Hey, as long as this team needs fluke plays and mess ups by the opponents to score… this team is going nowhere. Sucks, but true. You won’t hear from me again as I’ve decided to do other things on my Sundays, life is too short for mediocre football.

by ZILLAG on Oct 27, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"...CC Brown will not get better...," etc.

Anybody think JR’s looking to trade for a DB? If he does, it’ll be tough to work a new guy into the system. Then again, he night be ready at crunch time.

by blue gonz on Oct 27, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CC Brown got much better against the Cards...

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he didn't...

He just got a lot of unwarranted blame after the Saints game, making many of the readers of this blog believe he is worse than he actually is. He still made some big-time mistakes in the passing game (see Arizona’s Wildcat play) but was present against the run, as he normally is, and also made a few good open field tackles. He did exactly what he did the first five weeks, which is why I so aptly named him C.C. “everyone jumps on me after one bad game, which could just as easily be pinned on the defensive line or any other member of the secondary for that matter” Brown.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 27, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess so tito...

yet, I saw plenty of time CC in position against the Saints and cower when the ball got there, screming “I have NO FRICKIN CLUE WHAT TO DO!!!”….instead of not thinking at all…and pummeling the crap out of someone

vs. the Cards game, where he really wasn’t an obvious ‘toast’ candidate and also seemed to do what he does best when he’s trying to cover someone…and that’s pummel the crap out of them.

I wasn’t blaming the whole game on him…he was a big part of the Saints game disaster tho, but its not all his fault of course.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that wildcat play was scary

definitely don’t like seeing blown coverage like that, even if it was a wildcat play. We’ll be seeing some more of that this weekend.

I’m so glad we don’t play the Dolphins

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 28, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow zillag

you’re gonna be the same one buying a giants super bowl shirt if they win and telling everyone you knew that they were gonna win it all. so basically you only like the team when they’re winning?

by bmanley620 on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Walsh redux

Used to script the first 25 plays. Seemed to work for him and other coaches also. I think it would be beneficial for our Giants because it would;
>put everyone on the same page,
>establish identity,
>finally put to rest the KG controversy,
>allow the team on the field to concentrate on execution, not reading and improvising.
Many of the players in the skill positions are still relatively young and, frankly, not ready to fly solo yet…including Eli!
I’m a rookie on this blog tho I’ve been reading and enjoying the thoughtful (for the most part) posts by all the regulars. Just wanted to contribute my two cents on an idea I haven’t seen yet.

by sundayfever on Oct 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I must admit it never occurred to me.

It’s worth thought by the coaching staff. I wonder about Eli’s success with the hurry-up.
It’s been mentioned on this site several times. It might be worth a try. Jim Kelly ran D’s ragged with it.

by blue gonz on Oct 27, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sick

I haven’t forgot how sick I was after the last playoff game against the Eagles last season and can still remember Mcnabb going over to the Giants sideline and picking up the phone. Hopefully we can get some revenge.

by rbman3 on Oct 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This a Shutdown corner post I want to share

But Yahoo won’t let me get to it.

Stupid yahoo

by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is becoming a problem too...

I really think that Nicks has now shown enough where he’s more reliable. Still can’t faze out HAM, he’s every bit the playmaker as Nicks, they just need to make Nicks a bigger part of the offense.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

We knew coming in.

We expected to have growing pains with our young and talented wide receivers.

I don’t mind if Ham has a bad game here and there, as long as he keeps showing flashes of brilliance, which will probably be the only thing left once he’s truly comfortable.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ham 3rd Receiver

Smith and Nicks 1 and 2nd

by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Philly game

I hope to God there is more preparation on offense for Eagle game than there was for Cards. It was really unbelievable to see such a poorly planned and executed offensive game plan on Sunday AFTER the Giants had gotten their clocks cleaned the week before. 2 weeks ago Saints beat Giants. On Sunday Giants beat themselves.

Eagles will exploit the weaknesses Giants have recently shown by stacking line when Giants run and blitzing heavily and early when they attempt to pass. On offense, it will be run, short passes and tryiing to exploit gaps in zone. All of this is obvious. Question is: Will Giants be prepared this time? If or when their offense sputters, will they be able to adjust their game plan? Will their be a plan B.

by Deal With It on Oct 27, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Will they exploit us?

They haven’t looked all too sharp

Without two excellent plays by Desean, they only score 13 pts against the redskins. At least we didn’t lose to the Raiders

I’m not saying the game should be easy. But the eagles have just as many problems as we do

by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Key issues for both teams ...

Eagle:

1. Westrbook may not play – McCoy can’t pick up the blitz.
2. OL is still a mess.
3. McNabb has been his usual consistent low and behind receivers on short and crossing routes & deadly on longer seam and vertical passes (go figure, he’s the only QB in captivity who’s like that).

Giants:

1. Beatty for McKenzie may be a weak spot
2. Have not executed on down the field passes when D brings pressure (more the WR’s than Eli from what I have seen).
3. CC Brown is horrible in coverage and bites at evey play fake.

So … on D:

1. Giants need to be in nickle or dime most of the game, preferrably with both Dockery and B. Johnson on the field and CC on the bench (so wish Ross was back and healthy even if he can’t supplant TT).
2. Bring 5-6 rushers on a big % of plays (even 1st down, as this is Andy Reid calling plays not Sherm Smith). NO ZONE – stay man-to-man and assume McNabb has to get rid of it quickly.
3. Lot’s of overloads and zone blitzes, where one DL is responsible to cover short dump offs and look for screens and draws , especially Tuck or Kiwi if they line up at DL (Eagles executed some beautiful screens vs. Skins).
4. Kitchen sink blitz on 3rd and long (did you see the stat that until mid-way through the Skins game Eagles had not converted one 3rd and 10 or more all season ?!?).

On O:

1. Mix up the play calling. KG pretend you’re Reid and pass first, run second. Yes, we have to execute or it’s 2nd and 10 a lot, but same thing if you get nothing running up the gut predictably on 1st and 10 each time.
2. Run some tosses and swing passes to RB in the flat – most teams are blitzing up the middle on the Giants. That should at least keep them more honest, and let Eli step up in the pocket if outside pressure is brought.
3. Get AB some short passes or screens to get him out in space a bit.

by Shofner85 on Oct 27, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing I don't like about our screens

I don’t like the inside screen

We should throw to a WR (manningham/nicks/ that te who’s name is escaping me), or at least have bradshaw run into the flats.

I would also like more flare routes with jacobs, have him go in open space at full speed. Then noone will say Jacobs isn’t good anymore

by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good plan layout

I would also love to see some short slant patterns given to Steve Smith too. If we can do that and some screens it should “keep them honest” a bit as well.

I think they said last night in the Redskins game that the eagles are blitzing 60+% of the time on defense. Not only should we be employing a similar defense, but our offense, if gameplanned correclty, is built to counter that well.

by losangelesmets on Oct 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree about McCoy...

He is a rookie and still under the learning curve but his pass protection has improved drastically and he is pretty reliable back there when asked to block. He doesn’t shy away from contact his only issue is about once or twice a game his miss an assignment. Still he is doing an excellent job overall and with Westbrook missing time he’ll see an increased load to help him hammer out the last few kinks.

by IgglesFanDeployd on Oct 28, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook may not play EVERY game

but against the Giants, he generally does. And plays well.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reid is talking like he will play ...

but everything you read says if a guy is knocked out cold, the only way to heal the brain is a few weeks rest, and the risk of a second concussion on top of the first is just too high to be playing a week later. For Westbrook’s sake, let’s hope they value his health a bit more than just the next game.

by Shofner85 on Oct 28, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't think of another player

who so consistently plays at a game-changing level when he’s questionable due to injury

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this..Shof

 But I don’t think screens will work at first..I think swing passes will get them out of the box and loosen them up..They are going to be blitz happy..We need to figure out how to stop that,,I think quick swing passes will help that happen. We need to get them out of the box for our running game to have a chance. The only guy they fear is Smith recieving and they will try /have him covered up…Mario and Hixon do not scare them.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 28, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swing routes to jacobs would be perfect

He doesn’t have to worry about 8 guys in the box, and he’s at full steam. That’s the play I want to see more of than anything else

by Willgfass on Oct 28, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly..

It will also kill their blitz..Which will be hard and heavy..but if we can get some swing plays to Jacobs..We’ll be good to go..That will also free Smitty up..We need to get these teams out of the box.They walk in with that gameplan and we need to figure out how to counter that.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TE=Kevin Boss

It seems an very large percentage of BBVers want to see more of Boss. I really believe he has the potential to be a Pro-Bowler. Great athleticism, great hands, good blocker, deceptively fast. The coaching staff keeps using some stuff that hasn’t been working. Why not try to get the ball to Boss 5-6 times/game?

by blue gonz on Oct 27, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree blue gonz....

     It seems everyone thinks Boss is a pretty good tight end, but is a little hazy about just how good, and the main reason for that seems to be that he does what’s asked, performs well in multi-facets of his game and isn’t called on often enough to see if he’s really ready to be a true force or not. We’ll never know if we don’t give him a chance to get more involved in the offense.

by Cranky50 on Oct 28, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything you folks are saying is very good..

I / We can only hope that our guys are addressing all of it behind closed doors..You are all absolutely right on..We need this game, all of a sudden we are. just 1/2 game in front..The opposition is loading the box..and our guys need to figure that out. The Eagles are going to blitz the hell out of us..screens are not going to work, we need swing passes to Jacobs and AB to loosen them up…If they load the box those quick swing passes will do just that..then they can free Boss..(he has been stuck blocking) up and the running game. There is no team out there that does not have our number right now..Smith is going to be shadowed, they’ll try to load the box, they don’t fear Mario nor Hixon…Nick’s catch on a tip was lucky..He was out of position on his route when he caught it….Our defense did a better job but they can do far more than they have been..and I also think they need to throw Barden in the mix..Now, as Ed stated the coaches must not think he is ready yet..but he is a Monster..What a decoy in the red zone…

by Bobbiblue on Oct 28, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Giants should have kept Toomer. He was reliable and would have made the plays.

by Maureen E on Oct 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

?

Toomer?

Might as well let him run backwards, he might be faster.

Not trying to demean Amani, one of my all-time favorite Giants…but its time to move on.

The Drops that HAM has had, Toomer would still be at the line of scrimmage with his walker and colostomy bag.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheesh, FB

Stop all the tap dancing and tell us how you really feel.

by blue gonz on Oct 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!

FB, where did that come from?..haha!!..Amani is going to be very mad at you…a walker?haha

by Bobbiblue on Oct 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

I didn’t mean most of that, I actually agree a bit with Maureen, Amani may have been able to help a bit with stability.

It was cuz I’ve been hearing all week from a few Giants fans, the non BBV ones, that’ve been insisting on bringing back Ol’Amani.

Kinda annoying, cuz he WAS SLOW…cuz he’s shot.

That said…I still got love for all the past Giant stars who’ve left the team in the past few season for whatever reason (I’m thinking the 2 guys we could use back are Gibril Wilson…and Michael Strahan….maybe even Tiki…but not Amani.)

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Free..

I guess we have a comfort zone and wish for old players back..the problem of course is they are ‘played out’..The only thing we have is the team we have now in front of us…and they’ll figure it out..I can’t wait for our defense and offense to show up at the same game .

by Bobbiblue on Oct 28, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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