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'Kudos & Wet Willies:' At least the Yankees are in the Series edition

New York Giants wide receiver Domenik Hixon (87) tackles Arizona Cardinals cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (29) after Rodgers-Cromartie intercepted the ball during the first quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009, in East Rutherford, N.J.

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New York Giants wide receiver Domenik Hixon (87) tackles Arizona Cardinals cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (29) after Rodgers-Cromartie intercepted the ball during the first quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009, in East Rutherford, N.J.

Somehow, I am not nearly as upset by our New York Giants 24-17 loss Sunday night to the Arizona Cardinals as I might usually be.

I'm sure that has a lot to do with how happy I am this morning that my New York Yankees are back in the World Series. That's one way to take the edge off my aggravation. The other thing about last night is this. I can't point to any one obvious thing that really upset me.

Instead, I think disappointment is the overriding emotion I feel about the Giants this morning. Disappointment in that as I watched last night I kept thinking 'maybe this team simply is not as good as I thought it was.'

The Giants are a good football team. Right now, though, they have some issues to address before they can be considered a championship-caliber one.

Here is head coach Tom Coughlin summarizing the Giants' second straight loss.

"I think anytime you turn the ball over four times you don’t have much of a chance to win and that is what we did tonight. We had far too many drives that ended three and out or with an inability to create any kind of different field position. It seemed like for an entire quarter we started at the twenty or inside the twenty. We never moved it ourselves, we never got it up off that mark. Our inability to overcome that was a major factor I thought," Coughlin said. "I thought our defense played hard, they were put in a lot of bad situations. We continue to have our red zone issues, as you know. Our return game wasn’t as strong as it was the week before; obviously they had worked very hard against that. They have a good, strong kicking game. The punter didn’t really give us a lot to work with and neither did (Neil) Rackers. I don’t have a whole lot to say at this point in time. I think we have, obviously, a lot of work to do."

All of that said, let's get on with the 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'

Star-divide

Kudos to ...
  • Terrell Thomas: Just in case there was still any doubt, there is no way Aaron Ross pushes Thomas back to the bench if he ever returns this season. Thomas had an interception, seven tackles and broke up four other passes. He was matched up against Larry Fitzgerald more often than I thought he would be, and he was outstanding all night regardless of who he was covering. 
  • Danny Clark: OK, so maybe this is a bad sign that Clark is on this list. I mean, he is never a 'Kudos' recipient. Clark was noticeably active last night, though, and did come up with one of the Giants two sacks of Kurt Warner.
  • William Beatty: Making his first start in place of the injured Kareem McKenzie, the second-round draft pick held up very nicely. No penalties I can recall, no noticeably blown assignments and he did his job without the Giants having to swing extra help in his direction. The Giants might have themselves a player here.
  • C.C. Brown: Yeah, it's odd to see 'Bad, Bad C.C. Brown' on this list after the amount of time we spent shredding him last week. But, the guy made 11 tackles and forced a fumble. The guy can play the run, he can hit people and he is a good tackler. I have to give him credit for those things. Of course, if Fitzgerald hadn't dropped that ball when Brown got sucked in by a run fake with the Cardinals in the 'Wildcat' I might be so kind to C.C. this morning.
  • Brandon Jacobs: The Beast ran as hard as he has all season, barreling through defenders for a 4-yard and breaking off runs of 25 and 17 yards. The Giants could not run the ball consistently, but Jacobs had his moments.
  • Justin Tuck: I thought Tuck made some nice plays, and was around Warner a lot even though he did not register a sack. For that matter, I thought Mathias Kiwanuka (one sack) and Osi Umenyiora were active and at least brought some pressure even if they did not compile big numbers.
Wet Willies to ...
  • Jeff Feagles: Who the heck was the imposter wearing No. 18 last night? Feagles had quite possibly his worst night as a Giant Sunday, and maybe one of the worst nights of his career. A 34-yard average on seven punts, including at least three horribly struck punts. The Giants had lousy field position all night, and the Cardinals offense worked with a short field. Mostly, that was on Feagles.
  • Eli Manning: Three picks, including the one that sealed the Giants' fate in the closing minute. Truthfully, in my mind, that was Eli's only really badly thrown ball. The other two picks came on a tip and on a fabulous play by Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie. I can't complain about those. Eli looked out of sorts, though, as he tried to figure out the Arizona defense. Give the Cardinals credit, but Eli never seemed to get a full grasp on where the Arizona defenders were coming from and what they were doing.
  • The run defense: The Cardinals came into the game last in the league in rushing offense. They still are, but Beanie Wells (14 carries, 67 yards) managed to gash the Giants for a handful of big gains right up the middle. Antonio Pierce made 10 tackles, but that is largely because the Cardinals simply ran right at him, and he did not always hold up. Neither did the Giants defensive tackles, a spot where I think the Giants have a problem. Somebody put out an APB for Chris Canty, please.
  • Mario Manningham: Four catches, but a bad drop of a a ball that should have been a touchdown and some bad pass routes -- including one where he basically just went down the field and ran himself right out of bounds. Manningham is a flashy, exciting talent. But, he is also an inconsistent, unpolished young player.
  • Ahmad Bradshaw: Could not get started last night, and his fumble in the fourth quarter killed a promising drive. It was a terrific effort play by AB, but you can't forget to protect the ball.

FINAL THOUGHTS: I know there will be lots of gnashing of teeth this morning over offensive play calls by Kevin Gilbride and what are seen as the shortcoming of defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan. I am not putting this loss on either of them, though. Offensively, if teams are going to give the Giants shots down the field  they have to take them. The wide receivers simply have to start winning some of those balls, so teams will back off the line of scrimmage. There is no way the Giants can run consistently staring at nine-man fronts. Defensively, the Giants did OK. Sheridan brought more pressure than he did against New Orleans. The defense was simply in a situation where the Cardinals had a short field most of the night, and they have too many weapons not to take advantage of some of those.

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Ed, the defense definitely showed up last night. With the exception of having no LB presence at all, they did a good job considering the opponent. The offense lost this game for us. Plain and simple. We need to find some answers for these fronts as it’s maddening for a team to play that way all game and we can’t back them off for 60 minutes.

by lboogie25 on Oct 26, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

awful

i dont know how any giants fan can see a positive out of this loss AT HOME.
a couple of delay of game penalties, not enough pressure on kurt warner(a pocket qb), and just terrible coaching.

all around. i think they shouldve went for the TD when it was 4th-1 on the 2yd line. If they fail to get it, the cardinals have the ball on the 2 yd line. putting the pressure on them to get out. also, if they got the td and arizona came back and got one then the giants are down 10 again. its all WHAT IF, but i just dont see much confidence in this team.

this week against the eagles, they need more focus, and less dominik hixon as a wr. MORE SMITH!!! manningham and NICKS. this guy got lucky, but its better to be lucky than good and suck.

by ImaMoose on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Less Hixon at WR. More Smith, Nicks, Boss and then Manningham.

by njgiant on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That deep route to hixon

should have been nicks

Our starters should now unquestionably be Smith and Nicks.

Manningham should be 3rd receiver (but boss above him), than hixon.

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also would have liked

to see them go for it…. that’s why we’re fans and not coaches. Down ten, you have to take the points presented to you

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 26, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what i would have called

Taking the pts is usually a good idea, and the way our D player afterwards, it was. It was all on our offense. The D gave us 2 chances at the end of the game, and we didn’t capitalize on it.

If we did go for and get it, that means we only had to kick a FG, and than Eli may not have thrown that haphazard last interception.
But what if we didn’t make it? What do we call? Up the gut with jacobs, a play that hasn’t worked well this year? ANOTHER draw (Seriously wtf was with that?)? Short pass?
Either way, the O was what lost it. Defense played so much better this game.

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense played well.

I could have swore there was 3x more than 2 sacks, but they hit and pressured Warner all day.

This was all on the offense. Not enough Jacobs, too many deep throws (again….why are we throwing deep on 3rd and short), too much Bradshaw when Jacobs is running wild (if we’re saving Jake for January…we’re not getting to January).

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boss & Hixon

Tough loss. Even worse when you’re not a Yankees fan so all you have to dwell on is a two game losing streak. Beatty did get one penalty; a false start penalty when we were backed up to our endzone. So few bright spots this game, though I really am starting to think Kevin Boss may be the most underrated player on our team and one of the most underappreciated tight ends. Sure he never comes up with 100 yard receiving games (nor will he), but he’s a reliable anchor. When he gets the ball, it matters, and he always comes up big for the Giants. Last week he saved a touchdown with an astounding display of athletisicm, and this week he came up with a big catch when we need it. He’s a great player.

Also, can we stop throwing to Hixon? Last night first interception was his ball to lose, and DRC just wanted it more. Or maybe Hixon just didn’t want it at all. It was a lazy jump and killed what could have been a scoring drive. He’s great on returns, but this guy is not any sort of threat.

And Bradshaw has officially dropped quite a few points in my eyes. I was practically screaming for him to get off the field after that Unnecessary Roughness penalty. Also, who runs a draw play when we’re in our own endzone at the end of the fourth?

by RolloT on Oct 26, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw

I did think Jacobs should have played more. I have to agree with that. But, still, there were plays to be made and the Giants did not do it.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

Rollo T,

I think you hit everything right on the head. Hixon had a 60/40 ball thrown to him and he lost it. He is a terrible route runner (never gets any separation due to lack of hard cuts in and out of breaks). Boss’ catch was amazing and should get kduos. And as much as a like Bradshaw, there is no need to lunge for that extra half a yard when you are well past the 1st down marker. Inexplicable error.

I disagree with C.C. Brown getting a kudos. He was making tackles 15 yards down the field while getting run over by Beanie Wells. That doesn’t impress me much.

Also, I would like to put out an APB for Michael Johnson and Barry Cofield. Cofield used to consistently be in the backfield, but I haven’t seen that from him this year. And Michael Johnson’s name never gets called. I want a safety’s name called like Adrian Wilson’s was called last night. Wilson is all over the field and Johnson is no where to be found.

by ggggmen08 on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

beatty did have one falso start penalty at the 4th quarter, but overal his performance last night was preety good so i still think he belongs at kudos, but as for AB wet willies all the way when he lack diciplin for punching docket in the pile, WITH HIS HELMET ON!!!

by old man strahan on Oct 26, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with the Kudos and Wet Willies

But the part that I disagree with is with the coaching staff. I hate to sound like Shockey here, but we were out-coached. Draw play at our own 2 with 3 minutes left? Relying too much on the pass and not the run. I know that the Cards have a good run defense, but the Giants were running the ball effectively and they just dropped it in the 3rd quarter. Feagles was horrible. I’m not going to rag on Eli because out of the 3, the last int was really on him.

This is extremely frustrating for me for 2 reasons. 1. I’m a Mets fan. 2. This is the type of loss that the Giants had….2 years ago. Granted they won the SB, but in their losses that year, the other team just dictated what they were going to do. I never saw that last year for our team, but now I have seen it 2 weeks in a row. It’s one thing with the Saints, it’s another when the Cardinals are running it down the Giants throat.

by JVelez on Oct 26, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Offense

So, what do you do when the opposing defense is presenting a nine-man front, which is what the Cardinals did much of the night? Do you just keep trying to jam the ball in there? I don’t think so. If they give you one-on-one with the receivers on the outside you have to take it. The Giants receivers just did not win those. Win a couple, the defense loosens up and you can run more.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed I disagree

If you have one on one on the outside why try and beat them 30 yards downfield when Eli does not have the arm strength to stop the DB closing on the play.

That is two weeks running we have tried the deep ball and it failed. Do it against the Eagles and we will lose. Gilbride is outthinking himself and he needs to go back to basics.

As for the D – I believe that Sheridan thinks that the front four will win their individual match ups and does not need to do much else. As a result the O Line get in a groove of pass blocking and next thing no pass rush.

Finally, having got up at 1.30AM and watched the 2nd and 3rd quarters I was shocked at how inaccurate Eli was on his throws.

If we do not get this under control we are going to lose a lot more games than we thought possible.

by G Fan in England on Oct 26, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You run an end around!

The cardinals were over-pursuing ALL NIGHT with 8 and 9 in the box. If we did a toss sweep to Bradshaw for an end around to Manningham or Hixon it would’ve been a huge play. I’m not saying that should have been called in the last 3 mins from our goal line, but it would’ve been nice to have a little creativity at some point during the game. Instead, we just let them stuff the box, shut down our run, pressure Eli, and shut down our passing game. I want to see my coaches make adjustments. Instead it was the same thing on EVERY possession.

by ggggmen08 on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's just it Ed ...

even Collinsworth kept saying that the Giants kept trying to run the ball on 1st and 2nd down (and always between the tackles). Then on 3rd and 8 or so, the Cards bring extra men to pressure (amazing how well it works for the other guys) and we’re 3 and out. We need to execute, but we needed more calls that were not into the teeth of the defense.

Too many issues to site in one post, but the other head scratcher was Tuck as DT in a goal-line stand at the Giants’ 2 yard line, and he gets blown off the ball into the end-zone for a TD. Don’t we have 2 real DT’s to put in there for that type of situation ?

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I remember in the second half

Was way too much shotgun with a rb on the side.

I thought we should have run it a lot more.

2 yard gains on 1st down are better than incompletion after incompletion.

This one was on Eli, as much as I love him

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 in a row actually...

Saints game #1 was the D’s fault, but Eli was pretty much a close 2nd.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed You forgot Wet Willies

to the O-line especailly, Ohara, Snee, and Seubert. The cardinals killed the Giants with blitzes and pressure up the middle all three of these guys got beat several times and it was a big reason the run game was not working and Eli looked out of sorts.

Awful loss but it’s a long season. If the Giants can pull out a win next week they’ll be 6-2 and 3-0 in the division halfway through with a lot of injuries and a real young WR corps. Philly will be tough as always but they seem to be having some of the same problems the Giants are especailly with pass coverage and defensive injuries. Remember Pitt was 5-3 last year with losses to NYG, IND, and PHIL all contenders and Big Ben was banged up and not playing well. We all know what happenend. Usually I’m the most pesimistic guy out there and like Ed said they might not be as good as we thought but they have talent and if they improve they might actually peak in December instead of fade like they usually do.

by Landeta on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I slightly disagree

With all the pressure that Arizona brought, I think the line did a good job. Rookie did a solid job as well (other than a false start)

by JVelez on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A total disaster last night, and while I hate to disagree with Ed, I have to put some of the blame on the coords last night.

The Giants know better than any team in the league that if you get to Kurt Warner early and often, you take him right out of his game. 2 sacks last night, not enough. Giants also played way too much zone defense last night.

On offense, we heard Al Michaels tell us a zillion times that the winds were tough last night, yet Eli kept throwing wet Nerf footballs 30 yards downfield, including once on a 3rd and short in the 4th quarter.

Everyone talks about the Giants “great” offensive line, and they have a 265 lb battering ram at running back, and yet they still can’t figure out how to get one or two yards when needed.

One last thing Ed, I think you were way too generous with the Kudos. The Yankees left you in too good a mood today, lol.

If the Giants don’t figure it out, and fast, they could find themselves in 3rd place next Sunday.

Be it injuries, coaching, execution, whatever, this team is the most precarious 5-2 team in the NFL

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They kind of have to play some Zone

against a team like that with those WR’s you don’t want to give up too many long TD’s. If the GIants D had tighted up in the Red Zone, which NBC pointed out is the worst in the League, and forced FG’s they hold that great passing to 16 maybe 20 points. Not bad. I think D improved from last week could have been better but if the O controlled the clock and converted a few third downs and sustained a couple of drives we win that game.

I don’t like jumping on play calling but I am a bit curious as to why the Giants did not have Smitty in the slot more to go over the middle or Boss going over the middle to convert 3rd downs. It seems the Cards CB’s had our outside guys covered and were blitzing their insided guys on every other down. I don’t know, I understand passing the ball against an 8/9 man front but why deep and to the outside all night, why not over the middle where the Cardinals were vacating tha area.

by Landeta on Oct 26, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good ideas

I think we lose sight of the fact that this style of play IS the Giants style. TC has always (from his days at BC & Jax) been a guy that wants to do power running and then take your shots down field. That being said, those adjustments to throwing into the middle of the field need to be made. When your style is not working, make adjustments. The lack of adjustments has been the coaches’ weakness the last couple of years.

by potroast on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just it, no adjustments!

All teams are moreless doing is putting at least 8 in the box and daring Eli. What does Eli do, check-off into a low percentage deep pass down the sideline or deep middle. There is nothing of the short-intermediate throws in the middle.

Another thing, anyone notice third downs? It doesn’t matter if it’s third and a mile or third and “manageable”, Eli is consistently in shotgun! WHY???

by Hootman on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is right..

They come out on the field after the half..and execute the same crap.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or ...

continue to fail to execute the same crap.

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did play some zone

It wasn’t all man. It was both.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, Jim!

Yeah, I do have a bit of Yankee hangover. The Giants lost, and I just can’t work up a good case of agita this morning.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible morning

to be a Giants and Mets fan. It’s going to be a very long and crappy week. Please sweep the Phillies please, Yankees. At least that will end this awful baseball season sooner.

A sweep by the Yankees and a dominant win next Sunday in Philly by the Giant will cure all ills that I’m feeling right now.

by BigBoyJacobs on Oct 26, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points Jim, and also....

Is it just me or do we not have a play call to score a TD inside the 10? I have zero confidence in our ability to score inside the 10. We tried a fade to Nicks (bad play call in my opinion), but besides the fade, all we do is run the ball right up the middle. Where is the play action slant that we used in the Super Bowl on Tyree’s TD?

by ggggmen08 on Oct 26, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Umm ..

Geez, didn’t we hand the ball to Jacobs and get one of those?

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...

That’s my point. If we can’t run one in from inside the 10, then we aren’t scoring. Do we have a passing play for a 5 yard TD pass? I haven’t seen it. One TD isn’t going to win you many games (I say 1 bc the other one was a complete fluke). I understand that we will occassionally run a few in, but it would be nice to know that we can pass the ball into the end zone while we are in the red zone. You can’t defend the fact that year in and year out we are in the bottom fourth of the league in TD % in the red zone.

by ggggmen08 on Oct 26, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah another good point..

I thought he was ready to go last night..I was hoping to see him and Tuck team tagging Warner.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the scout team, buried in the depth chart

like mannigham last year, he will seldom — if at all — see the field this year. and, like manningham last off-season, should learn from this and bust his tail to compete hard for a spot in the rotation next year…his time will come.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…who has never caught a pass in the NFL.
…who has never played against big-time competition.

People seem to think Barden is the answer to the red zone woes, but our problems inside the opponent’s 20 go beyond one physically unique yet heretofore unproven rookie with untapped potential.

His time will come, but he has to pay his dues first. Unlike Hagan and even Moss, he has no value to us on speical teams.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barden

C’mon, gang. None of us is at practice. We can’t see what the coaches see, or don’t see. If Barden could help right now he would be playing. These coaches are not stupid, despite what some of you may think. I loved him in training camp, but I loved Maurice Evans, too. And he can’t keep an NFL job.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night sucked. Eff the Yankees.

Hixon has proved to me he is not a capable deep threat….one on one, you have to make a play.

Maninngham had a huge drop, I only hope as the season goes on he makes his catches more consistently.
 
Tynes is god-awful at kickoffs. He couldn’t reach the end zone in the dome last week, and barely reached the ten this week.

Eli needs to step up as well, if teams are going to challenge him like that, he needs to be more accurate.

D-Line came out ballin’, then what happened?

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-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 26, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maninngham had a huge drop

I didn’t know that he had 7 drops already. Not good. Time for Smith and Nicks to be the staters.

by njgiant on Oct 26, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Eff the Yankees. Mets fans like me couldn’t care less.

I am admittedly torn in rooting for the Phillies in the WS…

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geez

That should be a no brainer. If the Mets were playing the Red Sox in the WS, then I’d be pulling for the Mets hard. It’s your rival for crying out loud. To each his own I guess.

by potroast on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

how any true Mets fan could be rooting FOR the Phillies is beyond me.

it’d be like me rooting for the Eagles against the Jets in the Super Bowl. good thing such a matchup isn’t even close to being in the realm of possibility.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mets/Philly rivalry is more a recent phenomenon...

…or at least has picked up steam lately. Prior to realignment, the Cards were our most hated rival in the 80s. The Mets and Phils were seldom competitive at the same time for decades.

There are few things I dislike more in this world than the Yankees. I only dislike the Phils slightly less. An enemy of your enemy is your friend…

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a Mets fan too...

And you make a good point regarding the recent rivalry, BUT you have to pull for the New York team.
 
Have you been to Giants-Eagles games and seen the Philly fans???!!! As a Giant fan you CANNOT root for a Philadelphia team under any circumstance!!

by JINTS14 on Oct 26, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

among other things, I can't pull for the Yankees...

…because the way that club was operated under George Steinbrenner represents much of what is wrong with the economics of major league baseball today. It’s a pity the Mets and other major market teams have more or less been forced to follow their example in order to remain competitive.

But I don’t want this to turn into a philosophical discussion about justice/equity in the marketplace of professional sports. All franchisess were not created equally.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that's nuts..

I took a beating yesterday by some folks because I said that even though I am a diehard Giants/Yankees fan I still root for the Mets and Jets to do well. I don’t see anything wrong with that..Afterall, they are N.Y. too!

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense performed way better

The secondary actually looked interested in going after throws. The LB corps got victimized a bit, but that is to be expected until we get Boley back there with his speed. The front four were getting close, but mostly just were not getting there consistently. Overall the Defense would get a reasonable “B” Grade from me.

The offense… oh the offense. Jacobs was getting some runs despite facing a ton of bodies. Bradshaw never seemed to get into a rhythm, and then had that atrociously timed fumble. The o-line was a concern at RT with Beatty, but surprisingly it was the interior of the line that was actually letting bodies through all night, causing a few sacks and scrambly throws by Eli. As for Eli, he really did seem to get too involved into checking off the Cards and changing things, and hate to agree with Collinsworth, but it reaches that point where you just have to hike the ball and run a play without over analyzing. I did feel he threw the spiral decently for the most part. Boss is still a great threat and needs the ball more (hope his brain is not scrambled). As for the WR, Manningham needs to be more consistent, Hixon needs to be a 4th/5th WR who is a return specialist, and Nicks needs to keep getting more time (I know his TD was pure garbage luck, but I liked his effort out there catching and blocking last night). They get a “C-” Grade from me, and I think that is pretty fair.

All told, I knew the G-Men were done when they started out with 2 three and outs in the 3rd quarter, but I kept watching because the defense kept it close enough to give the offense one (which turned out to be two) more chance to get going. The offense is definitely the culprit in this game, with the big blame having to land on Eli Manning for letting the Cardinals get too far into his head.

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by brisulph on Oct 26, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree, re: the defense

The pressure was noticeably better this game, with a variety of different blitzes, despite not registering many hurries/hits/sacks. The pocket appeared to be collapsing around Warner more often than I can remember it recently, but a savvy vet like him knows how and when to get rid of the ball and beat the rush. Against a lesser QB we may have tallied a few more sacks.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But really it was just luck. He happened to be there and the ball came right to him.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicks shouldn't have even been there..

Nobody in their right mind sends receivers out there that close in the same area of the field…Now maybe Nicks simply outran Manningham, but I suspect that he just ran the wrong route and got bunched up..We got lucky on that one..and that boy can run fast.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that ball was batted about 10 yards or so

both receivers apeared to be on or about the hash marks…plus, once the ball went up in the air, Nicks did the right thing and broke in that direction. If Manningham actually snares it and breaks free, then Nicks might have had to make a crucial downfield block. So I don’t believe he was out of position, though I could be mistaken.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I watched that play 5 times..

I believe that ball at best was tipped about 5 yards (if that)..I think Nicks simply outran his pattern, he was supposed to offer Eli a shorter route target..but hey it worked out four us..and we now can be rest assured that that kid is fast!..They should have had him run Manninghams route and Mario the short target route.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

beating Rodgers-Cromartie to the end zone.

by Mount17 on Oct 26, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact is,

Giants are better on paper than on the field. The injuries on defense has taken this team from an elite status to a good team status. At present, we are a middle of the pack team and will be watching the Saints and Patriots or Steelers in the Superbowl.

Big kudos to Boss and Smith for those excellent receptions in the forth quarter. Boss was totally rocked and Smith showed great concentration on his ball.

Wet willie for Manninghams drop and route running. Eli’s pecking order should be Nicks, Smith, Boss, and then Manningham. It’s becoming clear to me that Hixon is not a 1, 2,or 3. His efforts should be on special teams only. It may be time to give Barden a shot at the corner fade.

We need Canty, Boley and Ross in the lineup quick. Our D is not scary at all. If things continue the way they are going, we will be lucky to get a wild card.

by njgiant on Oct 26, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicks

Will be the #2 by the end of the season.

by JVelez on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was only a few weeks ago that Manningham was breaking out in a big way.

Honestly, as long as Smith, Manningham, and Nicks are all getting the ball, I’m happy. Eli needs to do what he does best; spread it around.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they need to get smarter with the deep ball.

Its there. The INT on the one to Hixon I was OK with. Hixon is a jinx, but it was a great play by DRC, plain and simple.

But they need to get smarter as a whole with the deep ball. Its nice to be a threat to do it on 3rd and 2. But when you have over 500lbs of RB and FB that you can line up, there’s no reason to take that chance.

2nd and short, fine. 3rd and short, especially down, no.

The defense played infinitely better and was capable of getting plenty of stops. The O failed them this time.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plain and Simple

Great play by DRC, no doubt, but that was Hixon’s ball to lose. He didn’t go for it. He didn’t fight for it. It was a touchdown pass that he let turn into an interception and huge momentuem changer. DCR didn’t win it, Hixon lost it.

by RolloT on Oct 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed ...

Eli could have led him a bit better, but Hixon was actually in better position than the defender, who … “wanted it more” ?

Manningham has actually been much better at fighting for the ball (TD against Sharper last week), but unfortunately Mario decided to fight the ball on his TD opportunity last night.

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should have been nicks or manningham

Actually, seeing ham’s butterfingers, all deep routes should be only to nicks or smith.

They’re our two most consistent Receivers, and they should be starting next week vs Philly

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was glad to see Tuck

playing DT to help get pressure on the QB, and it seemed to work, but that’s probably why the Cards were able to run so well on first downs. We had a lot of plays where there was only one DT on the field and our safeties running away from the line of scrimmage. There was noticeably more blitzes called, and to a certain extent I thought it was effective in rushing the offense before the WR could get downfield.

by rzor on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to disagree

but, Gilbride’s play calling is downright awful! Calling that Bradshaw draw play on our own 2 yard line?! Where are the dang play-action calls when the Cards D stacks 8 or 9 in the box? Does this guy have any imagination? I want to see a three wide receiver i-formation, fake the bloody hand-off, and get those DBs on an island against Nicks or Manningham! Seriously! How about a flea flicker? If they want to stack 8 or 9, burn them! And I want to see Boss getting more involved on 3 and 7! Use his height to advantage! Stop running the same derivation of a play 10 times in a quarter, defenses are looking for that!

by CCE718 on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gilbride

We will discuss this more, but there were a bunch of wide receiver bubble screens. There was a screen to Bradshaw that got blown up. You can always pick apart a handful of play calls. My one issue last night, really, is that I would have liked to have seen Jacobs play more. The DBs were “on islands” a bunch of times last night. The wide receivers never made the plays.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the WR screen to Hicks on the last drive

was a good call, IMHO, because we have seen him break it before. Eli threw a bad ball out in front of Hakeem, who was forced to make a major adjustment just to snare it, and couldn’t get going.

The little dime they dropped to Manningham right off the snap was a great call and perfectly executed. Rogers-Cromarite never even turned around by the time the in Manningham’s hands.

Also, the draw to Jacobs coming out of the time out during the last drive was a good call.

There may have been some questionable calls, but at the end of the day it still comes down to execution. They won in the trenches and we committed more turnovers — not the recipe for winning football.

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we also

not throw any fades in the Red Zone? Eli doesn’t throw them well, and they never work for us, or for anybody else in the NFL.

by Mount17 on Oct 26, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean...

…like that one to Moss against the Bucs?

OK, fair enough, they were just outside the red zone on that toss…

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That was not your classic inside-the-10 fade.

by Mount17 on Oct 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slants, play action

…you know, the stuff that TORCHED the Cowboys in week 2.

Is it that sacrilidge for Gilbride to do that again? Are slants and play action such good plays that you have to save them for when it “really counts”?

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gilbride

The bubble screens were not working because the safeties and a few linebackers were reading the heck out of them. Defenses are getting smarter about those screens, hence Bradshaw getting blown up by the safety. With the strength of our rushing attack, I feel that Gilbride needs to utilize the play-action more, especially with 8 in the box.

by CCE718 on Oct 26, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

With KG.....

I just feel that he can’t make the proper adjustments, if any. Look what happened to Fitz. Webster/Thomas for the most part did a good job on him. What did the Cards do? Move him around to the slot, move him around in motion, etc. I could be wrong but I didn’t see that happen to Smith. Someone here nailed, KG sometimes tries to be cute, and does not stick to the bread and butter. Are the Giants supposed to be scared because of AZ’s run defense? Hardly any play action? Hardly any rollouts. Just frustrating for me…

by JVelez on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedgecock....

Would it be too much to ask to take the FB screen to hedgecock out of the playbook? How many games and years do we have to see Eli over throw Hedge or Hedge drop the ball. Why is he ever the primary target on any route?

by ggggmen08 on Oct 26, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gilbride out coached period

Here we go again, teams are going to blitz Eli and dare us to beat them long because they still do not respect our wide recievers. Once again Kevin Gilbride has no answers for the 8 and 9 man fronts facing our offense. Philly has got to be licking their chops they are gonna bliz Eli all day long. Gilbride how about some more screen plays or mis directions, if a defense is gonna gamble all game like the cardinals did, you have to make them pay! Ever heard of the slant route? Defense played bettter but still not great.

by Late for Dinner on Oct 26, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a week or 2 late

It seems to me, early on everyone was saying get AB more touches..so KG did just that..although last night’s game they should have ridden BJ more..the offense was way better with him in..the in 1 series out the next did not allow for BJ to get in sync..even then he was a beast..

is it just me or did it seem as if our DB would get to their zone and forget about the WR ? a few times Fitz was just roaming alone,we dont have the safety support so why cover space when there is a man you can guard…

More slants & curls…boss up the seem…its not rocket science .we are at our best with 2 backs 1 te 2 wr..if its a blitz run a slant…other teams do it to us..

Overall the D played well..Feags had an off night as did Eli & the WR..but it’s stillbetter to be 5-2 than 2-5..

i dunno maybe I just like the colors

by Mr.Williams on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AB

That’s another thing Gilbride drives me crazy about, he never goes with the hot back! Last night Brandon was far more effective than AB, so instead of riding Brandon we keep subing AB in. When AB is hot they go to Brandon. I hope and pray somebody gives Kevin Gilbride a HC job somewhere so we can get a real offensive coordinator in. Don’t get me wrong KG does a good job getting young guys prepaired to play but his play calling is not very good.

by Late for Dinner on Oct 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And where the heck was Steve Smith?

How can the Giants have a #1 WR in Steve Smith and fail to use him except late in the 4th quarter???? More Smith and Boss…way less Hixon…and I’m with ggggmen08 about seeing the end of the FB screen to Hedgecock that NEVER works.

by telcochik on Oct 26, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know

There is a defense out there. A team that knows where the Giants want to throw the ball. Give Arizona’s defense a little credit. You think the Giants just said “eh, Steve Smith has enough catches. Let’s skip him this week?” Sometimes the other team does a good job.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you're right Ed...

but as a fan watching the events unfold on TV it’s frustrating to watch all the dropped or missed plays without wondering why consistent performers seem to be overlooked in the play calling.

by telcochik on Oct 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other than KG,

I think that Feagles was HORRIBLE last night. Worst punting I have seen from him. Cardinals had good position the whole first half

by JVelez on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i disagree on the kudos for beatty

he had a costly false start that backed us up on the last drive and got beat by calais cambell for a sack. definitely agree on the willies for feagles, probably his worst game as a giant. the playcalling was god awful, and im not usually one to criticize gillbride but there were some seriously bad calls (a draw backed up on our own goal line, a deep bomb on 3rd and 2?). eli had his worst game of the season, and we have the eagles and the chargers coming up. we need the bye week to come sooner.

by GiantsReignSupreme on Oct 26, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to knock Beatty

He didn’t put them in that position..one 5 yard penalty did not cost us this game..believe it or not Feagles did..I couldn’t believe it!!..He was providing them with a fifty-yard field all night..I would never have though I’d see that from him!

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

First I too am extremely happy about the Yankees!!..Now to our G-men..I thought the defense played a little bit better, but still could have been alot better than they were. Eli and the offense were terrible..AB needs to be told to tuck the ball and protect it after getting the first down and knowing full well it doesn’t pay to fight for an extra yard when you are already going down..Mario has a bad case of the Dropsies..I hope he doesn’t become this years version of Moss…What was Hixon doing out there?…He can run effective patterns!..and our Coaches, they go into a game these days with plans that are seemingly cast in concrete..They are unwilling or unable to make any adjustments..and Why did they not play Jacobs more?..He was our hot runner last night, and they didn’t stick with it…and that lucky tip to Nicks was very lucky because he shouldn’t have even been there!!!..Who the hell has two receivers in the same part of the field??..Awful, big ‘C’ for defense and a big ‘F’ on offense..and another bid ‘F’ on coaching.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also somehow not super-pissed

probably in part to this being a decently officiated game — when we had to red-flag it 4 plays in to get our rightful fumble recovery I thought we’d be in for another week of zebra hell!
My observations:
It seemed like every time we rushed just the 4, Arizona did well, and most of the time we blitzed, it went well for NY. If anybody taped the game, they should count the blitzes and results compared to 4-man rush… the 4-man rush is not existent this year. It’s just not.
The play calling WAS weak. I haven’t been on Gilbride all year and I’m still not. But damn, man, can we get the NFL LEADING RECEIVER involved in the game before the 4th quarter? Can we stop throwing 60-yard passes, which we are something like 2 for 33 at this year? we’re not stretching the field with them, we’re giving away downs.
If we want to use those quick outs to receivers at the line of scrimmage, have somebody watch how the Patriots work their blocking scheme for Welker. That’s how it’s done. Our efforts were terrible!
Overall, play-calling I didn’t think stunk but… at the beginning of the game we were throwing and throwing…. like last week, that’s no way to set the tone. It seems our runs are pretty predictable… I think we should be running on 75% of first downs b/c we get in this routine: 1st down, incl pass, 2nd down, predicatble run, 3rd and 6/7, everyone knows we’re passing!
All in all, we were in this game, and the 2 turnovers at the end were the difference. What can ya do? 5-2, top of the division, but now GD do I ever need this team to beat the vile Eggles

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 26, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Feagles

TC has admitted that he told Feagles to punt to the sideline away from Breaston – I assume that the wind took the ball out of play alot quicker than Feagles would have liked – but at least he did as he was told!

by G Fan in England on Oct 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how does Jeff Feagles

not get a wet willy?

i love Jeff when the Giants have a chance to pin an opponent deep, but when they need a booming kick to change field position, he isn’t the guy. i know the winds were awful last night, but it’s worth mentioning. the Cardinals were on the Giants’ side of the field all night long.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 26, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he was horrible

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SBaker

He did get a Wet Willie.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one who doesn't like Hixon as a WR?

I have seen him drop way too many balls the past 4 years. He should have caught that bomb last night or, at the very least, prevented RC from picking it off.

He shows no desire to go up and get balls unlike guys like Nicks and Tyree. He just waits for them to fall into his hands.

I see no way Hix or Moss are on the roster next year. Its time to move on.. Give Barden an opportunity!

by RIPShea on Oct 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

i apologize

I didn’t get a chance to read the first few comments. The speed/agility Hixon shows on returns is non-existant on offense.

by RIPShea on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

yea

I like Manningham and Nicks as the two outside guys and Steve Smith as a slot WR.

manningham just had an inconsistent day yesterday
-it really doesnt matter to me who is the 1, 2, 3 but if all three are out there on the field
thats a good thing since each brings a different set of skills and route expertise. smith’s short game is nice (slants, hitches, ins), nicks can do basically everything, and manningham (all the double moves-too bad collinsworth doesnt say good about those routes runned) can dance and forget to catch the ball.

Keep Hixon as the 4th WR or at least give Barden a chance…..i agree ripshea

by TO. on Oct 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

i dont know why it slashed my lines but thats what i felt like saying……

another pathetic loss, but its time to move on and just get better.

by TO. on Oct 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you are not the only one

I agree that Hixon should be used less as a WR. The dude does not fight for balls the way a good WR would and drops easy passes. I think that Smith and Nicks should be 1 and 2, respectively. With Hixon coming in on 3 WR sets, as a decoy. I would love some more I-formations and an ace set, with Boss and Beckum in there. I would also love to have seen Barden active and the ball thrown to him in the “green” zone, rather than Nicks. That fade was at the perfect height for Barden. Play management is really aggravating me!

by CCE718 on Oct 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry...

Should have included Manningham as the third and Hixon as 4th. Posted before done thinking.

by CCE718 on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hixon is a jinx on the offense as a WR..if anything.

He’s in position, he burns DB’s, yet from what I’ve seen of Tracey Porter and DRC, they are simply guys that have elite speed, while Hixon is almost at elite speed.

The balls were in place, the throw was there, the DB made excellent plays.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats odd about Hixon being a jinx

As some were wondering where Smith went, which IMO, i thought he had disappeared for a portion of the game too. But, i can’t be certain, was it because Hixon was out there at the same time? What credibility does he (Hixon) have that Eli would think he’s so reliable?

Regulate Hixon to ST’s and utilize Smith, Ham, Nicks, Boss and Beckum to the receiving duties! Throwing Hixon into the mix seems to have put a damper on what was working while he was out!

by Hootman on Oct 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kudos to Boss

Boss took 1 of the hardest hits I’ve ever seen while keeping hold of the ball…..most would have droped it

by freakynjbifemandhubby on Oct 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you need to give one to Nicks for his incredibly heads up touchdown.

In my mind, Nicks should absolutely be WR #3 right now. Smith and Manningham should start as well, and Hixon needs to be kept mostly to returns. I also wouldn’t mind seeing some Barden action one of these days.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like passing the ball

…I really do.

When its working and the run game is not, like what happened largely until before the Saints game.

yet…Jacobs looks normal again. 5 YPC Jacobs. Juggernaut Jacobs. Against the Saints. Against the Cardinals.

Why, we only give the man the ball, 13 times this game and I’m too pissed at the Giants too look back to the Saints game, less than 13 times that game…what are we doing ?

Deep passes on 3rd and 2?

HEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jake gets the ball 22 and 26 times, when he’s not going all that well….yet, 13 and less than that…when he’s back to normal?

I like Eli and the passing game, still do. Yet, its going to have games like this and the last where its out of rhythm.

I’d change my name to F&*K Bradshaw, but I can’t. He’s still my boy, but Brandon Jacobs is the Giants back, everyone else is a backup. Give Jake the ball, 25 times if you have to. RUN THE GOD DAMN BALL. Especially if the pass O is out of rhythm.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

specifically...

run the ball MORE WITH JACOBS.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thinking of switching...

…your handle this week to FreeJacobs? ;)

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe....

and also, FreeTuck is another option. How the hell he didn’t record at least 3 sacks, I don’t know.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I skipped the comments for right now b/c I need to get running

but I have one thing to say: this is still a very good football team that’s in a bit of a funk right now. Step back for a minute: they did not play well last night, they turned the ball over 4 times, they dropped a sure TD pass, they turned the ball over on both of their last two drives, both of which were promising and looked to be heading for TD’s, and yet, despite all that, they lost by a TD to the defending NFC Champions.

This team is still miles better than the ‘07 team was at the same point. It might not be a 14 or 13 win team like we all thought 2 weeks ago, but they’re gonna win ~11 games and make the playoffs and that’s all we can ask for. They’re not all-time great, but they’re still pretty darn good.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 26, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as long as they beat the friggen Eagles...

I don’t care about these 2 weeks.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And looking ahead … we get out of these next 2 weeks with at least 1 win (Philly please!) and then head into the bye and come back at (hopefully) full strength (Ross, Canty, Boley) … we’ll be in pretty good position.

by potroast on Oct 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the opportunity in 2009 for the G-Men ...

is to dominate our division, which quite frankly is NOT the “Beast” everyone thought it would be in pre-season. It’s looking like the ’Boys may be our biggest competition after all. Would LOVE to see the Skins do it tonight.

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the Skins win tonight...

…then we face an Eagles team coming off consecutive losses to bad teams…not the kind of team I would want to face next week, under pressure and desperate

by Step up and make big plays on Oct 26, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the skins win tonight...

I’ll eat my Superbowl XLII swaetshirt.

by Wide_right on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather not be the Eagles

Two straight losses for us, with an embarrassed offense. Sheridan has learned blitzing works, and maybe we’ll see better personnel on the deep routes, or at least no drops in the end zone.

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point, cj

Yet, there are some obvious issues. And there will be bridge-jumping if the Giants lose to the Eagles.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ordering my parachute.....

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Kicking Game

Tynes kickoffs were horrible last night. Feagles was a disaster out there. Anyone notice the Giants were consistently fielding KO’s 5 yards into the endzone, and Feagles couldn’t get one inside the 10?

I really disliked the number of sideline patterns being run against man coverage thru 3+ qtrs. Against man the sideline helps a quick defender, and nobody was getting open.

In all honesty, the Giants were lucky to be in the game late. This does not look like a good team at the moment, they are soft in coverage, AP was getting blown away by blocks, and Eli was off all night.

by Wide_right on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..and Tynes Kickoff

Were being fielded at the 10-15 yardline..and returned to the thirty or so yardline.both kickers sucked last night.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh...

Boley needs to get back…NOW.

Sintim needs to play too. He can do what Danny Clark did and more.

And it was nice to not blame a game on CC Brown, he wasn’t all that bad (good even)

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 26, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Canty, too ...

We really need to plug up the middle so the edge rushers can bring the heat.

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

But he bit HARD on the play that Fitz dropped the ball.

by JVelez on Oct 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was also a penalty

so even if he made it it would have been negated.

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sintim

As I said about Barden, the coaching staff knows what it is doing. If Sintim could contribute right now the Giants would have him out there. We can’t see practice, so we don’t know.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Boss?

Isn’t he 6 ft 6 also?

Chuck it to him, he can make the tough catches

by Willgfass on Oct 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eli had a cruddy game last night

Two delay of game penalties, a couple of sacks where he should’ve had the presence of mind to get rid of the ball, and a lot of bad throws. If he doesn’t get bailed out by the fluky bounce to Nicks for the long TD, and some great catches by Smith and Boss when the ball was forced into tight coverage, his night is even worse than it was anyway. He has to be better than that.

by JoshNY on Oct 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, two DOG's at home !

is really inexcusable. Eli has to call the defense’s bluff every now and then, and pretend to change the play, but go with the original, to keep them from dictating things too much.

Really his first out-and-out bad effort this year.

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

Don’t forget a super throw to Manningham that hit his hands and fell to the grass,,,,,

by Wide_right on Oct 26, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game Strategy

Here is why we lost: Brandon Jacobs averaged 5.8 yards per carry, but only ran 13 times. … 40 pass attempts, 26 runs

That is a losing strategy. This team is designed to run the ball down your throat with brandon jacobs (25 times a game), sprinkle in some play action, screens, and quick passes, along with 10 or so carries for a diminutive explosive bradshaw, and we can outplay most teams.

I usually try my best to defend Gilbride, but this was just the worst gameplan I’ve ever seen from us. RUN THE BALL WITH JACOBS!

by DTowbs on Oct 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And call some plays for B-Jake ...

to get to the corner, when they are doing so much blitzing up the middle.

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

full agreement shof

I’ve been calling for KG to open up the playbook for big boy, because teams are keying into our runs. They are pretty telegraphed, with a lot of I, or variable I formations. How about a 4 receiver sweep? Maybe some more counters, I think that’s one of Jacobs best plays. Let’s stop the thought process of Jacobs is only a between the hashes runner. Even collinsworth saw that the big boy is dangerous getting around the corner.

And I thought we were gonna get back to the screen play. What happened to that? I can count them so far on my hands, no need for my toes…..

by wilddre22 on Oct 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I totally blame AB

If he had protected the ball we would not have lost that game. No, I don’t know that for sure, and no, he was not the only sloppy play offender, but the offense had momentum, and that turnover was a killer.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the final interception on a 2 and 10? WTH, with 80 seconds and 2 downs left ELI shouldn’t have been throwing into that much traffic. Poor play on Eli’s part

Dan
Just another Giants fan in Chicago

by Dan from Chicago on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicks

Nicks was open on that last throw, on the right side, for an easy 5-10 yard gain – 5 if he went out of bounds, 10 if he stayed in.

by Wide_right on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Boss was open up the seem as well..well I think it was boss but non the less there were other options Eli could have should have used…

i dunno maybe I just like the colors

by Mr.Williams on Oct 26, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw

TC defended him on the fumble because it was really just an ‘effort’ play that backfired. It happens.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 26, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

That was ‘effort’ play and we wouldn’t want to change his toughness, but he still needs to realize the objective at that point in the game which is to move the chains, protect the ball.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicks was def open

I damn near smashed the remote after that last Eli INT.
Go Yankees.

LET'S GO G-MEN

by I_Formation27 on Oct 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Field Position and Execution cost them the game.

I don’t know what the average starting field position for each team was, but it definetly felt like the whole second half was played in the Giant’s side of the field. 3-and-outs and poor punts will do that to you. Just like last week, I felt that they got into panic mode way too early and it cost them any chance of getting a rythm on offense. What happened to ball control football, especially against a pass happy team? If this team loses the TOP and turnover battle, they will lose.
All that being said, I am not too worried. I am siding with Ed on the Yanks win and Gmen loss today. I’ve got faith that they will learn from their mistakes and get it together.
Bring on the Iggles and Phillies. We get to watch 2 NY teams take down 2 Philly teams next week.
And how sweet is the DVR? I managed to watch both games simultaneously, without missing a snap or a pitch, without watching a commercial, and I finished both games on time. Only thing better would have been seeing Eli finish that drive to take it to OT. Now for the dreaded 6 days until the next kick-off.

by Larry Soprano on Oct 26, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well put Larry..

The G-men have alot of homework to do though..They need to figure out how to get an entire team on the field for 60 minutes…For now it “Go Yankees!!”

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cris collinsworth

he deserves a wet willie i cant stand listening to this guy he is so annoying he said that the giants should throw dep more when he himself said the stat that the giants were 0 for their last 7 on deep balls
also whatever happened to a guy named Travis Beckum?? He could be a key guy oon those third downs

Kevin Hill

by feaglesmvp on Oct 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After last night ...

you’re keeping that handle ?

by Shofner85 on Oct 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Collinsworth

Is an ex-wide reciever so he is going to be a little biased towards the long ball..

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Collinsworth is no better than Aikman or Johnston!

All three at the very least are biased, when they cover Giants games. Collinsworth on the other hand? Really………….???? What freaking credentials does he really have? A VERY, average WR with a little over 400 receptions and a little under 7000 yards in his career. In his day, most of the 80’s (his career) he was a top 20 WR. He’s no better than a third WR today!

Isn’t funny how Collinsworth always talks about, “well, when i played…blah, blah, blah etc”, i would rather someone like Jerry Rice to critique Ham’s route ability.

by Hootman on Oct 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly didn't want to bring Johnston into this equation

The Moose being from the ‘Cuse (and i’m a fan), i was caught up in the Cowboy thing! But he isn’t that bad as i preceived. Though, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin come to mind as in studio…, ooops. Nevermind lol!!!

by Hootman on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well good point Hoot..

But my point only was that he was a wideout and will lean towards the passing game…To be honest I really don’t have a problem with Aikman..But that Johnston?..What a blow-hard..He does a game and I mute him out..He talks too damn much..every single damn play..like we are deaf and dumb and need his brilliant bullshit every down..I’d rather listen to my Mother-in-Law do a game.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, my rant wasn't directed at you

Or anyone for that matter. I seen a spot where i could vent a little! lol Some announcers make it too easy, for us fans wanting to punch them in the mouth! lol

by Hootman on Oct 27, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive never really got ppl complaining about announcers

To me its just background noise. Save for the occasionally stubborn ones, who prematurely jump to a conclusion, then won’t back off of it when the replay shows them to be dead wrong. But if you listened to fans, you’d believe that each announcer was biased to whatever team he was announcing that day! Every fan and website in the world thinks so and so hates there team. Not true.

Except for Troy Aikman. :)

by wilddre22 on Oct 27, 2009 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Middle of the pack

These last two games really show where the Giants belong in the power ranking.
If the injured players don’t get well soon, Our Giants may miss out on the play-off.
The players have to step up and save the coach’s lack of imagination.
At this point our Giants show they are in the middle of the pack only.

by Olddiehard on Oct 26, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read all the comments

I have a hard time reading about a loss. This probably has been said—but the Giants came in with a great offensive game plan, quick throws out wide to spread the defense and running Jacobs up the middle. It was massively effective on the first drive. And then they never got back to it. What the heck! I completely don’t understand. Maybe if I could stand to read more about the game, I would get the answer.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 26, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely a middle of the pack team

But all they have to do is beat a couple of other middle of the pack teams, the Eagles and Cowboys, to get to the playoffs.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 26, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they are far from mid of the pack

Matter of fact, I’d say they’re still in the top 3 of the NFC. Saints, Vikings, and us. Name another that’s clearly better, and give an arguement.
And yes, I purposely left out AZ. They are widely inconsistent, and not in the upper echelon to me. I’d consider them more mid of the pack than us.

by wilddre22 on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But the giants have earn it this week

by Willgfass on Oct 27, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true...

yet, they beat the Giants.

How can the Giants be called consistent?

Tho being #4 is right where they belong in the NFC…

and being #4 in October, or at the end of December…is relatively meaningless.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right but we can all agree that when the Browns beat us last year we didn’t see them atop anyone’s power rankings, for a good reason. Any given Sunday a team can’t beat another. From what i’ve seen of the Cardinals, they’re obviously good, with a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. but from my view they’re middle of the pack, but are rising into the next level. There are just too many holes in there game(run game, pass D) to warrant a top 3 team to me.

The Giants are not inconsistent. up until last week we were one of the undefeateds. inconsistency doesn’t allow for that. we are in a slump. we need to break out of it to remain top 3.

by wilddre22 on Oct 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last Nights loss

I think for the second straight week the play calling was HORRIBLE it was all over the place and never played into what the defense was willing to give up. The old Eli was back again he showed his total lack of ability to handle any wind and then he holds the ball or makes bad decisions…and what is so FN hard about getting a play in and get to the line without getting delay of game penalties? lets wake the F up guys!!!!

by trinity giant on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

I think we are being a little harsh on our team and shouldn’t say they are ‘middle pack’. I’ll change my mind if they lose to the Eagles..Right now I’ll accept 5-2 and hope they fix what’s broke this week.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 26, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perception vs. reality

Is a hard pill to swallow. As Giants fans abroad, we could all scream at the television at any given moment to correct what is wrong, but in the end, reality had failed us!

by Hootman on Oct 27, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take

I’ve had a busy week as I haven’t been able to get here till today (Thurs. afternoon), and there’s way too many comments to read through so I’m guessing much of my sentiments will have already been touched, but I’m way too opinionated not to throw my two pennies in.

We have to catch balls down field. They were there. They’ve been there. The question mark on our WR is apparently warranted. That being said, we should never be going down field on 3rd and 2. Not w/ Jacobs in the backfield and Hedgecock in front of him. Not w/ Smith to be had in the flat. The next time it came up, they knew the exact play we were going to run as we should have done it the first time.

While the D had their backs against the wall a lot, I can’t say Sheridan’s schemes put us in any better position to stop them.

Oh, and Jacobs, you’re not Tiki, and your not Bradshaw. Stop trying to pick your holes. You’re not elusive. You’re a big, slow target. You’re a Mack truck, a human wrecking ball. Hit the hole hard and pound your way to 1,000 yards. If you can’t remember what worked for you in prior years, then just watch this game film and see Beanie Wells performance.

by YankeeDudeL on Oct 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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