the defensive equivalent of the “Wildcat”, where instead of a free safety, you have a college-like Rover Back (Rouse ?)

But seriously, I’d move TT to safety, even before Ross is back. Rather have Dockery or B. Johnson at corner than CC at safety.

If we don’t move Thomas to Safety, then Brown’s replacement is not on the roster. While M.Johnson is good, he is often undisciplined and better suited to coming down to the LOS or covering problem TE’s or RB’s out of the backfield. It is madness to even consider James Butler. Butler was terrible and was masked by the pass rush. Brown at least will tackle and lay a lick or two, where Butler would reach and detest contact. If Rouse were the answer, Green Bay wouldn’t have released him. I think we should give Clinton Hart a shot. He was recently released by the Chargers and has some level of athleticism.

CC needs to get yanked..He now has a huge target on his back..Trading for Butler would be risky given he is just coming back from a knee injury, although he has been doing a decent job for the Rams…TT is an option, but I like where he is now..he has been productive.

are professionals. They are highly paid to do their jobs. Let them decide who’s who and what’s what, hopefully. Trading for someone is expensive, who would we give up?
a receiver is all we have an excess of. Any decent free safety at this time of the season are hard to come by. I vote for in-house switching. If CC is that bad can anyone else be worse?

sehorn.

Brown “said this”http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-giantssecondary&prov=ap&type=lgns about the secondary’s play Sunday.

We pretty much got up on our high horses. We thought it would be another brush-through game. It was an eye opener for us.

If they all feel that way then there’s a coaching problem. I suspect nobody else would claim that they took the Saints too lightly. I don’t know how that’s possible. Is there another passing team that scares them more?

I would keep TT where he is because he’s a great corner. Ross is a great corner who has more experience and could have an easier transition to safety. I hope he gets back soon because we have 3 more teams before the bye who can pass the ball.

I would put Ross at safety; I still believe he is a talented player. Also T.T. has been playing well at corner so I wouldn’t move him. Ross is tough and is an athlete I believe he vcould make something happen.

Your right Hoot..There are not many options out there if any at all..Maybe JR can sniff around for teams that have a good safety and know they are going to have to do some re-building next year..Maybe Carr and a draft pick, we know Carr won’t want to be a back-up next year anyway..

I would move terrell thomas to safety when Aaron ross finally does come back. Thosmas already knows the schemes so the transition shouldn’t be too bad even though I’m sure there are nuances to playing safety as opposed to corner.

I think sadly the only real option is to figure out away to limit the liability through the defensive scheme.

Maybe that involves blitzing more safeties to take them out of coverage. (this probably depends on Boley being back)

Or teach CC to hit hard enough to jar the ball lose after they catch it in front of him.

There are no reasonable FA’s available. Trades rarely happen in football.

I think Sheridan needs to figure out how to limit the liabilty of CC or rouse. I think that is the only solution.

Would certainly help..We had zippo against the Saints..They need to fix that..We have too much talent on the line not to able to put some steam on the QB.

   Like many of you, I voted for Ross or TT at safety although I prefer Ross since TT is playing corner well.
   What I think would be an awesome move is to teach CC how to play linebacker in nickel situations. I bet he could cover better than any of our current linebackers (other than possibly boley). Then we could solve the linebacker and safety problem in one shift. Ross to safety and CC to nickel linebacker.

…or lack of it reminded me of the Cleveland game from last year.

I really hope these hamstring issues end for Ross soon. He’s been dealing with them ever since he was drafted. I hope he’s not another Jose Reyes. But yes, once he gets back start Terrell Thomas at SS. He’s good coming off the blitz, can hit hard, tackles well enough and is good following the ball. I like him a lot, and has even given Aaron Ross a run for his starting spot.

But why hasn’t Aaron Rouse been given any real burn at SS though? He should know the playbook by now, and we signed him after KP21 got hurt for a reason, right? He wasn’t bad in Green Bay.

I vote for trade. There are a few bad teams with stud safties that could use draft picks. I’d take either Jermaine Phillips or Tanard Jackson of the Bucs. I don’t think the Rams would give up Atogwe but he is a great player on a bad team. Donte Whitner on the Bills. I’m not sure if the Titans are gonna decide if they should rebuild but Chris Hope or Michael Griffin would be great. I might be dreaming but kinda makes sense. Thoughts?

I would definitely consider moving Terrell Thomas or Aaron Ross to saftey. Terrell has the size and hands to play safety. But, I’d be concerned with his ability to fill on run defense. Perhaps move Michael Johnson over to Strong Safety and put Terrell in at Free Safety. But, I would not be opposed to trying Aaron Ross out as well. And give Rouse more of a chance to see what he can do. I do not feel there is a viable safety option in free agency.

I really used to get annoyed with this guy. He was so slow and couldn’t keep up with speed ever. He was always right there for tackles, of course, and tackled well. He was best against the run though. However, that’s not our problem & not CC’s either. Just give Rouse a try in the meantime, really. Hopefully Terrell Thomas is getting a lot of reps at safety, just in case.

So I’d move TT to safety right away. TT has a lot of safety skills - hard hitter, good tackler, and is way better in coverage than CC. So put Dockery at the other corner and you’ve already made a big improvement. And if Ross comes backthe secondary starts to look respectable again.

Everybody is down on Butler, and while I don’t think he was a star, he was a smart player who was usually in position to make plays. Granted, he didn’t hit as hard or tackle as surely as you would like to see, but he seldom flat out embarrassed himself. Obviously he added a lot of value, because Spags snapped him up soon after he became available. I doubt he’d be available.

The single most important thing, though is for the pass rush to step it up. And to really do that we need Boley back and we need Sintim to start contributing. Clark and Blackburn are liabilities in coverage and neither is a good pass rusher. AP is terrible in coverage and not a consistently good blitzer. When you add a safety who can’t cover anybody to that mix, you’re going to get burned by any team with a decent quarterback and an O-line that can give the QB 4 seconds.

i would go after him.

What reason do we have to believe that either of these guys can play safety? Particularly against the run, I can’t imagine either one being able to play safety particularly effectively, having been corners there whole lives.

There’s a lot more to being a safety than having the size and cover skills. As a corner, all you have to worry about is your man, or your zone. Safeties have to read the whole field and read the QB. Much longer learning curve for safeties.

I think this would be a rash move based on 1 decision, and its like plugging a whole in a damn with your finger, only to have another hole open.

I guess that Monday Nighter over the Jets last week put some life back into the Fins, but I wrote here when Phillips first got hurt that we should explore Gibril Wilson’s availability.

I thought he was much better than Butler, but both were better than CC.

I wouldn’t really expect any trade, there’s only a few hours until the deadline, and Reese has prove unwilling to part with draft picks.

This guy is speedy and hits hard. They should have known he could come back from his 2nd injury as well as he did after the first. I believe they made a mistake cutting him. He has performed well in the starts he has had. (although he dropped an interception last week, he is not getting burned)

Give Spags a 5th rounder for him.

Michael Huff of the Raiders. Am I dreaming? Sure. Do I care? No. Send the hapless raiders a decent draft pick in return (we’re loaded, we can spare a high round draft pick), get a talented player out of a bad situation and into a good one. He’ll thrive. Then, next year, just think: Kenny Phillips, Michael Johnson, and Michael Huff rotating throughout the game. I’m a genius!!

With the Raiders or Chiefs but since they both beat two NFC East rivals, I doubt anything could happen now with those teams.

    The old man loves FAST receivers who don’t make large impacts!

I thought the reason for drafting Ross was that he was a shut down corner. I think Thomas would be a good fit at safety. I don’t think trading for Butler is a good idea, he was not very good in coverage, I don’t think he would make the bonehead plays Brown made but I don’t think he is much of an upgrade. I would try Rouse, he is big at 6’4" but the reason he was run out of Green Bay was that he was not a cover guy either. I don’t like the idea of trading a pick for a short term fix, the Giants are very good at drafting players later in the draft that have good upside, Ahmad Bradshaw and remember they also had Ryan Grant.

Keeping Brown and cutting Everette Brown (I think that’s the DE that was cut went to the bucs) was two of the wtf moments of the roster cuts.
I thought brown looked bad even against preseason opponents and I dunno why JR kept him. I also think now Everette Brown could’ve been moved inside to a DT or maybe even LB spot.
I think S’hareff was pretty good of what I saw of him. Where’d he go?

    I think we’ve seen that the “unproven” receiver corps is deep enough that Moss could be parted with, and I think most would agree that Hixon is better at returning kicks than Moss. Moss might benefit from a change of geography, and he has some appeal to another team. I’d rather see him packaged with a pick to get a decent SOLUTION to the problem and add some quality depth than to bottom fish for a replacement that you’re going to be hoping to cut on the day he arrives. I’m not bashing Moss, I just think it’s a realocation of assets from a position where we have adequate coverage to one where we don’t.

Clinton Hart was cut by the chargers. I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in an experienced veteran player in the back there to play safety. That is what cc brown was supposed to be, a semi veteran presence with limited play time. We are not going to get a starting safety through any trade, and they wouldn’t be up to speed in our system for many weeks. Even switching ross or thomas over to safety wouldn’t be an overnight move.

Hart has been around longer than cc, and definitely rouse, and i believe to be the best available option

looking at our team right now, secondary’s the obvious concern…i wouldn’t mind giving up a few top picks for an elite NFL safety..not one like cc brown. we’re a team built for NOW!

The Big problem is not the DB’s its the D LINE they have not gotten to the QB at all… you can’t give QB’s 4 to 6 seconds and expect pro bowl DB’s to stay with the wideouts. AP stinks he is to slow!! and they are not blitzing either enough or good enough That is the problem.

and I mean NOBODY ever suggested CC was a replacement for Butler! Kenny Phillips was and is that replacement.
Also noome ever thought CC was good enough to be the back up if someone got hurt. We all saw it in preseason. Why did the staff leave it that way?

I bet that butler would rather be on a 5-1 team than 0-6 team!!! lol!lolololollollollolol…..

I dont think you can use rouse in coverage, hes a big hitter more like a linebacker. Maybe the team could use him up near the line and utilize his speed and hitting to stop the run game. Ross makes sense at safety because of his speed, not sure about his ability to stay on the field, and thomas might be a bigger hitter, and therefore a better fit for the position.