A few last words about Sunday's debacle
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
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Here is a little bit of what is being said about the drubbing the Giants took at the hands of the Saints Sunday.My advice? Read 'em, then close the book and start looking ahead to Arizona.
Comment of the day
From 'mahmoodzaky'
"There’s no forseeable way to un-suck CC Brown."
Antonio Pierce (via Twitter)
Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back. Some days things don't go ur way. Hats off to the Siants (sp).
"Of course, it's embarrassing. That is a good team, but they are not that good where they beat us by I don't know how many points they beat us by. It is very, very embarrassing. It is a humbling experience."
Tom Coughlin
Here is TC discussing the much-debated, disastrous decision to try and score at the end of the first half.
"We've done it in less time than that. We'd just made one play, we were in pretty good shape as far as being aggressive again, and the one thing that can't happen did happen."
Discussing the poor defensive effort.
"We could not stop them. There are no excuses. We played poorly. We have to regroup."
ESPN's Matt Mosley
Discussing the poor play of C.C. Brown.
They (the Giants) knew Brown didn't have the coverage skills of Kenny Phillips -- out for the season with a knee injury -- but they hoped he could elevate his game. On Sunday, he looked completely lost. Even when he was in position, Saints wide receivers treated him as nothing more than a nuisance.
"We had two people in spots a couple of times on the deep ball and didn't make a play," Coughlin said after the game. "They would go up and get the ball and we're standing on the ground. We've got to locate the ball and get up as if the ball is ours."
Brown finished with a team-leading 13 tackles, but too many of them came after huge gains by the Saints. I kept trying to figure out why the Giants didn't give recent addition Aaron Rouse a chance to play. It seemed punitive to let Brown endure the Brees-led onslaught.
SI.com's Peter King
Abysmal, pathetic, awful in all ways. Also just one game, against football's best team.
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Taking a moment here to plead guilty
for troll bashing. Sometimes I can’t help myself after a tough loss. Sorry about that, Ed.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 19, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know
It’s hard to stop yourself sometimes. Emotions run high at times like that. It just doesn’t help anything.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona
Anyone else really looking forward to Sunday’s game (well… aside from NBC’s terrible coverage)? Personally I’m pumped to see the G-Men tear into the Cardinals and get the big rebound win. I’m stoked.
by RolloT on Oct 19, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Warner
After not getting to Brees all day, I can only imagine the intensity that d-line is going to this weekend. It’s going to be like Jefferson in “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” after he sees his car trashed. :)
Too bad the G-men aren’t playing Atlanta next.
by HB-NOLA on Oct 19, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here here
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 19, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Mosely must be a pretty nice guy
calling Brown a “nuisance”. A hang nail is a nuisance, and would probably cause more trouble for a receiver than he did all game. I hate to bash a guy, but that is just unacceptable.
by YankeeDudeL on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they
should give strong saftey Clinton Hart a shot from the Chargers.
LET'S GO G-MEN
by I_Formation27 on Oct 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where Was the Blitz?
It seemed like the Giants sat back in a zone coverage and rushed only four at least 80% of the game. It obviously didn’t work. How about a change of tactics and start blitzing? It couldn’t of worked less well than what they did, and it could even cause a big defensive play or two, or at least a couple of bruises on Brees…
by Aceholioo on Oct 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our team went in there
Totally unprepared on defense for Brees…I still sit here wondering what Sheridan was possibly thinking about going into this game?.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLITZ?????????
Hey im sure TC thought about sending the Blitz…….but with ppl like CC Brown back there what do u think the score would have been, there was a reason we didnt blitz so much……..Looks like all the D can do now is try and hold the fort until we get some guys back into the mix, let’s face it rightnow we are hurting real bad…….
by BIGBLUE4EVE on Oct 20, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Met..you simply fell victim to..
Some really big time trash talk coming from Saints fans..and obviously got p’od about it..There was one clown out there “whodat something” that was really rubbing it in..Their were two, one was a guys Son using his Dad’s id..and The Dad apologized but there was another who could really understandably get under our skin..Bottom-line we stunk..they didn’t..they played a good game..we never showed up (which is uncanny)…Our defense was absolutely terrible..If you have no defense against Brees he’ll pick you apart and that is what happened. 5-1 is not too shabby and you can bet that as contrite as TC was after the game..He is a raving maniac inside closed doors with the team and his staff.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As someone who has been a moderator elsewhere
the “it wasn’t me, it was a brother/hacker/son/cousin/dog” excuse holds no merit, as it is brought way too often for it to be true the majority of the time. He trashed us, he then wanted to get around it, and I guess people bought it.
by brisulph on Oct 19, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually don't buy it
but I read some of his other comments before and after that, both here and on the Saints blog, and he seemed like a pretty reasonable guy who before the game actually had some tempered expectations. I believed him for that reason
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bobbi
that’s true but I’ve gotten into it with Cowboys fans, Packers fans and others on the site here before and I really need to learn to just let that stuff go. It’s all in the name of defending my own but that’s a good reminder for me to cool it.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 19, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your welcome Mr. Met
Yeah, that trash can get to you at times..but bottom-line is we are in charge of the NFC East by two games..There are some concerning things the team will work on…but we’ll be there at the end..I really don’t care about a team’s fans who beat us trying to trash it up..After 47 years I’ve seen/witnessed plenty of embarassing games. I welcome the trashings becuase that tells me teams and opposing fans really think very highly about our Giants..as they should. They consider it a triumph..They won, played well we didn’t…My word to them is congratulations. We’ll bounce back.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame the Wilpons
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who got banned?
I almost never get online around gametime or I’d be gone for life also…
I have this little spot on my right index finger middle knuckle that always gets especially irritated when the officials make me punch shit. My hand is a little sore today.
p.s. “Someone using my account” bri is right, that’s bs, that’s what they say on “To Catch a Predator”
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok so I think I know how to fix the cc brown problem.
Chris mccalister
he’s old yes
he was a corner, yes
but I think he’d like to continue playing even if it’s only on passing downs and we line him up as a safety. He was a stud corner. One year deal he’d like a winning team next year kenny is back.
by ianwestpalm on Oct 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Different CC
CC Sabathia has been doing well lately. I say we give him a shot. Can he do much worse than our CC did?
It pains me to see Reby so down
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/games/20091018018/photos;ylt=AgMUnyBAgbPOKMC8z3YLweIisLYF?slug=423b2e9a9a9940079006f4993e8af89c.giantssaints_football_lawh119&prov=ap
by Jaybat on Oct 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The guy behind her w/ the Giants jersey that has “Giants” written all over it, I had that very same one 15-20 years ago. Amazing. I don’t know why I need to say that.
by YankeeDudeL on Oct 19, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coughlin said it perfectly
A bunch of “Can’t happen”s…happened. It ain’t like we lost to the Lions. For one thing, the Saints are pretty damn good – particularly that Drew Brees fellow. For another, if we can’t win the Super Bowl (and I’m NOT saying we can’t, but since we’re crying in our beer,) I’d be cheering quite loudly for the Saints. It’d be the NFL equivalent of the Cubs winning the Series.
On the bright side, the Eagles lost.
The Redskins and Cowgirls still suck.
We went into that game really banged up.
We’re back under the radar where we thrive.
As bad as we were, we were in it for a while.
All is not lost.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Oct 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't root for the saints after yesterday
If it was closer, i would
But keeping brees into the 3rd/4th quarter pissed me off.
by Willgfass on Oct 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC Brown???
I think he stayed home and we played Cece Wynans instead, and our pass rush?? Oh yeah I forgot, we don’t have one, Osi is over rated, Tuck can’t do it all himself and Bill Sheridan, blitzing is an option when rushing 4 isn’t working, just a tip.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Oct 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have time to get things right
For all the ppl saying the giants are over rated…..Lets not forget the D is still adjusting to Bill Sheridan, did ppl think that with Spags gone the D would keep rolling without missing a beat he was huge part of our D… Our D-line is banged up and missing a couple of Key players, Osi is still not 100%…..Tuck is playing with one arm……The LB’s are also banged up, and as for the rest of the D there is a reason CC Brown is playing…Hey if we can keep our heads above water until we get some guys back im sure we can go deep into the playoffs if not all the way!………………………1 GAME AT A TIME
by BIGBLUE4EVE on Oct 20, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
How freaking stupid are the San Diego Chargers? They let Brees go?
/Shakes head…
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad they wanted to.
Or we might not have gotten Eli.
Interesting story line NBC is pushing this week: the Kurt Warner revenge factor. We’ve already played him before though so it hopefully won’t have as much juice as the Shockey thing did.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 19, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too stupid
They have Rivers who is posting up similar numbers..The only mistake was not getting a pick for a quality running back to replace the oft injured “False L.T.”
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giant's still up
Nobody gets any trophies, rings, etc. for winning week 6. Lots of football left.
It IS concerning how badly the NFC East is faring. The Eagles seem to be doing their best to end up joining the Redskins as laughingstocks. the Giants need the adversity of tough games.
by StubsNY on Oct 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whodathunkit?
That 6 weeks in, the biggest question mark on this team is the defense and not the wide receivers? I know injuries play a part in this but also scheme is a factor and I’m missing some of Spags agressiveness, not that we always got there with the blitz, but we tried.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Oct 19, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Hixon on returns, the best thing to come out of the game was seeing him back there instaed of Moss.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Oct 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A huge yes to that..
Hixon back there was one of the only positives from yesterday!!
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warner vs Shockey
Warner is a class act..Shockey is an asshole..Warner, I doubt is doing nothing more than preparing for us..He wasn’t physically at his best as a Giant, but I am certain he has no “Shockey” in him. He is a classy QB who has got his game back..and much of the reason for that is the Giants gave him a second chance…but he will want to win.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Live and learn
from this thrashing. Looking at the Saints schedule the road to the SB will go through the ’dome for all NFC teams. The G-Men have to learn from this. At least we will have had the advantage and motivation that comes from getting badly burned. There are questions to be answered about the play calling – why so little real pressure on the passing game, the D-Line was ineffective – and our secondary is shot. I think there needs to be some pretty quick action to get that resolved. The word on this board has been clear from the pre-season .. CC is no good. Surely Coughlin/Reese need to act on this.
Eli didn’t have his best game, but not as bad as Kerry Collings (2/12, -7, 0 TD, 1 INT), now that’s embarrassing!
by Johannus on Oct 19, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your right about Collins..
Can you imagine how miserable we’d be today if the Giants took a beating like that?
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That score would have been 100 to 0 if
Belichik didn’t pull Brady out by his choke-chain..(No Vick pun intended)…Man talking about a slaughter..We would have shut this site down due to a suicide watch..
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked the right game
to go and watch – it would have been a long flight home last night otherwise!
I could only follow the play by play and have not watched the highlights (lowlights yet).
Was the Giants offence gameplan to throw it deep and Hixon as the main guy or was that how it panned out due to the Saints pass coverage.
I could not believe the Giants were trying to score with 30 seconds left in their own half – hopefully they don’t try that again unless they have 3 timeouts etc.
Yes a real clunker and hopefully the team will bounce back from it.
I note your comments re Warner – but he is just as acuurate as Brees so I for one are hoping he does not have a field day against us!
by G Fan in England on Oct 19, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well..The game was actually closer then the score indicates..
Our defensive gameplan was terrible…awful..but unfortunately we had some bad calls from the Referees and Eli was just missing our receivers..by inches..Jacobs got hurt early, I watched the game again and he looked hurt in the huddle early 1st quarter, so we lost our guy that punishes and wears out opponents..The announcers finally brought that up in the late second quarter..You can’t suffer a neck “stinger” and run full blast into a defender…So we lost that element on our offense..Bradshaws missed blocking assignment was also a killer..but the biggest problem was the entire defense..Brees had a field day.
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blow out games
Coaches and players are responsible for any wins or losses. not just one player play badly.
Players play, coaches design and call the plays.
by Olddiehard on Oct 19, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I made a few comments
yesterday during the game. I left my pc around half time so I missed the trash talking. I also see BBV first thing in the morning (every morning) but not today, I was still pissed at the score. We will be ok, I rather take a beating now, fix the problem than later when the games matter the most.
by Bajaserge on Oct 19, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im sorry ed for all the cursing. im new in this website and i get really angry when the giants lose. im truley am sorry
by old man strahan on Oct 19, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey we all get mad we're Giants fans..
Throwing out a cuss word on our site is somewhat okay, as long as we don’t go over to the opponents site and do that..We need to maintain our class…Anything we say to each other on this site should stay here..I do not believe in dissing an opponent..I will have choice words for our teams play, but if we get beat..We deserve it..you can’t blame anyone else. The Saints fielded a better team yesterday and they won..We are 5-1, the Eagles and Redskins lost..We are in control of our main task so far..We need to focus on getting to the tournament. A loss like this has already left a bad taste in the mouth of the Coaches and players and they’ll rebound…That game left them with a ton of work to do…and I am confident they’ll figure it out..A football team needs to be a machine running on all eight cylinders..Yesterday’s game proved we need a tune-up..I’d much rather have that tune-up now then later in the season. Did anyone think we were going 18-0?
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously guys
how hilarious was it when the eagles fan came here to talk shit when the 4th quarter was winding down. somebody hinted that it would be even more embarrassing if his team lost to the raiders. man did he dodge a bullet!!!
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see that
But if one did that’s a riot!!hahaha
by Bobbiblue on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Setting the tone of the game early
Historically, teams playing against an explosive offense team had success by keeping them on the sidelines with ball control.
The Giants set the tone on the first drive, on 3 and 3, instead of a short pass to get a first down, they opt to go for a long home run pass which failed. 3 and out, very little time spent on the field, Out came the Saints and another TD.
The Saints beat us in every area of the game.
by Olddiehard on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ist loss
Well we knew we wernt going to go undefeated.Its bad enough to play a great team on the road,especially when they have two weeks to get ready,but when their head coach might have some knowledge of his former team,your d backs are confused,and the offficials seemed to like to jump on the locals bandwagon, its kinda to be expected.Bigger test is next week to see how we rebound.Hey just think how the eagles fans feel!
Tom Tallmadge Sr
by coosaw on Oct 20, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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