Giants' recent history filled with bad losses
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 7:40 AM EDT
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PrintToday is a bad day for New York Giants fans, following Sunday's humbling 48-27 loss to the New Orleans Saints.
Let's remember, though, all is not lost. Far from it. The Giants are 5-1, firmly in control of the NFC East and appear headed for a fifth straight playoff appearance. Unless, of course, they have a total meltdown. I find that unlikely. They have too much talent.
Let's also remember that during those four playoff seasons under Tom Coughlin there have been embarrassingly bad losses in each of them.
- 2005 -- A 45-23 loss at San Diego in Game 3.
- 2006 -- A 42-30 loss at Seattle in Game 4, actually one of a handful of really bad losses for that team.
- 2007 -- Season-opening 45-35 and 35-13 losses to Dallas and Green Bay, in which Steve Spagnuolo's defense looked awful. We know how that year ended up.
- 2008 -- A 35-14 drubbing by Cleveland in Game 5 on a Monday night. That turned out to be a blip.
So, we justifiably feel awful today. But our Giants are still in first place, they are still pointed toward the playoffs and there are still 10 games left to try and fix the defensive pressure and coverage issues the Saints exposed on Sunday.
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Yep, that was a drubbing and then some
But even in those other games it was not a complete and total meltdown like I saw yesterday for the defensive side of the ball.
If anything can be taken away from that game that might be a positive, maybe the Saints have peaked. Having played witness to teams in the past peaking early on, they typically come back down to earth and proceed to become vulnerable. Or maybe the Saints are an invincible offensive juggernaut, ready to make all pay. Who knows.
Definitely reminded me of the Browns game in 2008
and Packers game in 2007.
The defense looked helpless. The offense was taken out of character and forced to take too many chances..which compounded with the hapless defense, made that big deficit.
Like you said Ed, not the end of the world. Us Yank fans have something to look forward to this afternoon…you Yankee haters..we’ll I feel bad for you….
We get another offensive juggernaut next week. Warner and the Cards have been damn near as good as Brees and his offense.
It doesn’t get any easier now (we don’t have crappy 49er team to face the next week like last year…and don’t have the Redskins to turn around our season the next week like 2007…)
Gotta lick the wounds and come back for more. I’m sure EVERYONE will be doubting the Giants now, so its not like they can say its not “us against the world’”.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
Offense was taken out of character
I don’t want to blame anything on Gilbride… but I hated the playcalling. How do you avoid your fill-in scrub safety from being lit up by Brees? Keep him off the field!! Run the ball! The shots down field were supposed to stretch the defense and make a statement I guess but that statement was lost in gains of 30 yards every other play.
"Manning.... lobbs it! Burress, alone! TOUCHDOOOWN NEW YORK!"
by mahmoodzaky on Oct 19, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
there was simply a feeling that the Giants needed points. They would have been better served with a more patient approach, but this game is still about the disappearing defense.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I also think they kept going deep
because that’s where they felt the opportunities were. And they were right about it. Eli just missed 2 throws he should have made. The reason the opportunities were there was because Sharper kept trying to jump passes. So those were the right calls as far as what was happening on the field, the way I saw it.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
One play, the saint CB made an amazing play on the ball
I think it was smith or nicks, but he beat the cb, but he just ran and caught up to a perfectly thrown ball.
Than there was the one play that was a TD if manning threw it just a little better, or if steve smith was barden’s height.
Don't worry about a thing, fellas
Clearly, it’s possible to come back from a thumpin’ and win a game the next week!
Just wanted to stick my head in and say “You’re welcome” for beating up the Eagles. Hope it took the sting off a bit and I’ve no doubt Big Blue will be back to form next week. I’ll always be a Giants fan for knocking off the Patriots in the Super Bowl!
Good luck the rest of the year!
thank you for salvaging my Sunday.
That, coupled with the Redskins losing, made losing to the Saints much more tolerable.
I do think that the Giants would like their defense back tho. Its really not nice to go an kidnap players……..
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 19, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks man
I posted over on the Raiders blog yesterday, but I hope you guys can build on yesterday and have a decent season now.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Forgot another really bad one...
the 2007 superbowl team week 12 vs Minnesota with Eli’s 4 interceptions (3 returned for TDs) I was unfortunately @ that game.
by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 19, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions
i was going to bring that game up
easily the worst loss since the ’05 playoff shutout against Carolina.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 19, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh... It's one game.
You’d have liked to have seen the Giants’ D play a little better, but it’s not at all time to freak out. Let’s see where the Saints are at Week 10, and then come back to this discussion.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
All I'm concerned about
is the secondary. CC Brown had a team-high 13 tackles yesterday… because Brees chose him specifically everytime he wanted a big play. There’s no forseeable way to un-suck CC Brown.
"Manning.... lobbs it! Burress, alone! TOUCHDOOOWN NEW YORK!"
'Un-suck CC Brown"
That’s a hilarious way to put it. The only thing to do is ‘un-play’ the guy. The Giants have got to see if Aaron Rouse can do a better job, although I’m not sure he can. Green Bay let him go for a reason, too.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but...
If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it’s still a duck. Just a size differential. I cannot see how the Giants can proceed for the rest of the season with either Brown or perhaps Rouse with big targets on their chests! They’re liabilities that has to be addressed.
If they can’t cover, then the Giants aren’t doing themselves any favors. We are, however, going into the critical part of the schedule now, and these guys can run, but against teams, they can’t hide!
Make a trade? (Deadline is tomorrow at 4 PM)
Is someone out there on the abysmal teams who are already done? The G-Men have a lot of depth, and giving away a pick along with a player might help. I know it will not happen, but the thought is there.
WE WANT NmANDI!
chant with me!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 19, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats what i was thinking, a trade!
But knowing how JR operates, he’s not one to knee-jerk a situation when there seems to be desperation. It’s like when we signed Brown, JR probably never envisioned him being thrusted into a starting role given Johnson and Phillips. But probably more or a role player and or depth. Well, now Phillips is out for the year and after the Saints game, a decision should be explored, but it wouldn’t surprise me if any deal is not made!
I wasn't able to see the game
For some reason I signed my name on a piece of paper that turned out to be a registration form to play softball…ON SUNDAY AFTERNOONS!! I swear I was duped.
So my question as a hopefull fan, would having our walking wounded in there have made a difference? Is this a different game with Boley, Canty, Ross and Philips?
Most definitely
Yes across the board. Those players give an added dimension of what your able to do. Especially Boley and Phillips in the coverage department!
I officially hate him as of yesterday. Which is painful for me to say, because I was one of his biggest fans.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 19, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't see the pic but I'm guessing it's of Shockey.
I’m with Jim on that.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
I hate that picture too
but it’s still better than having him on the Giants. I don’t miss his ’tude and the dropped passes.
i saw a couple shockey jerseys at the game
there were a couple of clowns wearing blue shockey jerseys to the game. i dont recall ever seeing anyone do that before. saints fans were giving them high fives in the concourses.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pressure
Pressure on the QB will go along way to helping out the secondary. CC is certainly a liability but the non existent pressure up front will be a problem against guys like brees.
The Giants will be fine
This coming from a die hard Siants fan, y’all have a great team and will bounce back with a vengeance. Don’t panic, the Giants are a solid team. Unlike Saints teams of the past, one loss doesn’t mean the season is over. Good luck on the rest of your season, hope to see y’all in the playoffs.
This is OUR year!! Yea, I said it. Who Dat!!!
by Big and Easy on Oct 19, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
For stopping by with a classy comment. Would have been easy to rub our nose in it.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey man.
I like you, come back any time.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks that shows real class..
Your team did a great job yesterday and I concluded that your in the chase for the tournament..that was a really good football team I watched yesterday..After I tossed my hat in the first quarter, then replaced my jersey with a polo shirt at half-time..I got spanked again..My Cowboy fan wife called me a big baby!!hahaha…
It'll be fine
Let’s not forget, there are still 10 more games. I always say, “win some, lose some..” The Saints played great and really controlled the tempo. 27 points is usually enough to win a game but the Giants will make adjustments to not give up 48 again. This was the Saints problem last year. Anyway, should make for an exciting season. Go G-men… and good game to the Saints!
This reminds me of
the America’s Game series about the 2002 Tampa Bucs team. The Bucs had lost to the Eagles the last couple years in the playoffs, and Chucky was brought in to help fix that. They lost to the Eagles again in the reg season, and on the bus to the airport Chucky said to the defense “I got those f**kers on tape now. I know their blitzes. We’ll get them next time.” Sure enough the Bucs played the Eagles again in the NFC Championship game and won. We’ll see if the Giants now have enough of the Saints on tape to get them as well.
We have AZ
up next at home. We can get healthy real quick if we take care of business. Pressure, cover and tackle. The G-Men are in Warner’s head. Hit him early, hit him often and yesterday becomes part of the past. Use it as motiviation, don’t get discouraged.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
Look on the bright side
Our loss yesterday came to what is clearly one of the elite teams in the league. At least we didn’t lose to the Oakland School for the Blind Club Footed Nuns Raiders
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 19, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
Its all good
This was a good loss for the Giants, even thought I hate to lose. No worries, at least I’m not stuck rooting for the Deadskins!!!!!
If you're going to lose you might as well do so in October and not in December or January
Yes, it was an awfully depressing loss. One in which the Giants didn’t seem to play in the same league as the Saints. But let’s build on this, it’s far from the end of the world. A loss like this in October gives the time the opportunity to make the necessary adjustments so that this doesn’t happen in December and January when the season is really on the line.
We are very lucky to have built a nice cushion lead on the Division, so that we can afford to lose a few games and profit from those lessons on how to play better.
Yeah, I felt as bad as everyone watching yesterday’s game, but we still have a great team and a very intelligent coach than can right the ship on time for what could be a fantastic season!
Call me crazy, but I'm not worried!
It was one loss, albeit a challenging, humbling loss – but it was one loss. And it was to a GOOD team that should be beating elite NFL teams at home.
Clearly the coaching staff has their work cut out for them, but I guess I’m just not too worried yet. Maybe this team needed a reminder that just because the press and the fans gush over a team, that team STILL has to go out and prove it on the field on Sundays. Maybe this is a good kick-in-the-pants that the Giants have to be focused, disciplined and ready for anything each and every Sunday (just look at what happened to the Raiders).
Which brings up my next point: the Giants lost to the Saints. Not the Chiefs or the Raiders as our NFC brethren did yesterday. We all knew the 2009 GMen were not going undefeated. Of the most challenging games on the schedule, the Giants need to merely split them and then win the ones they are supposed to (ie the AFC West games). The Saints aren’t going to go undefeated. The Falcons aren’t going to go undefeated. The Vikings aren’t going to go undefeated. You get the picture.
And as we all know, motivation is a huge factor in the NFL. You know that the Giants will be licking their chops for another match-up vs. the Saints.
One theory
is that the five previous games have been against poor teams, and the Giants lost a bit of their edge in the process. Just one theory but the key will be how they bounce back.
worried
the only reasonthe saint didnt score 120 points is because they were gracious and hospitable hosts. and what worries me is sure we have been beaten before but we didnt look like a professional team out there in new orleans .from the start of the first quater till the end of the game it looked like a highschool team playing usc . the mismatches were glaring and i cant help thinking maybe we should have kept some of the players we released . Toomer would have come in handy aswell as shockey. heck i would really have liked to ha ve strahan back .but from what i saw yesterday the saints are for real and if the giantsare going to compete our defense better get a lot better.
Why stop there?
Rodney Hampton is probably available, as is Tiki. How about we go find Sam Huff and replace Pierce? Also, Armstead can’t be that old, and we could always give LT a softball-sized ball of crack to get him back out there.
Are you seriously panicking that badly you want to bring back each of those guys you named? Toomer gets no separation, Shockey has a team and they played pretty well yesterday from what I saw, and Strahan is busy making a mid-season cancellation sitcom and performing on a rather lackluster pregame show.
You are right though, Giants got dominated and the D needs to shape up.
LOL!!!!!!!
We already played like old men yesterday…You want to bring in really really old men?!?
Complacent Giants D
I think we simply had a case where the G Men D accepted the past 3 easy offenses they faced as thier new competition level. The Saints hopefully have reset that bar and we will see a tougher and more mentally prepared team on Sunday. Offensively, it was nothing to worry about. I think we all needed a good thrashing to get “refocused”. I will be shocked if the Giants don’t show up on Sunday and definetely not surprised if there are 4+ sacks and 3 TO’s.
12-4
the Gmen’s record, Saints will go 14-2, we will be road warriors again, get our revenge in the NFC championship game, go on to win the Superbowl, so Giants fans, life is good.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Oct 19, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
A wake up call
This blow out was a very loud wake up call. Which I think is a blessing for the rest of the season. We had been spoiled with several easy games, now our faces had water thrown on it.
Hopefully, The players and coaches wake up to the challenge.
Good teams don’t lose twice to the same team in one season. Are our Giants a good team?
Yes we are a good team
We were not going to go undefeated this year..but I think this loss will bring our guys back to earth..they will memorize this game film, and be ready for not only a possible re-match in the playoffs with the Saints, they’ll see and correct flaws for the oncoming teams..They have to because that game revealed some major problems that the teams we face are probably studying as we speak.
BAD / NON CALLS!!! the saints o-line were NOT called on many holding calls…and the giants got called on a holding call on a jacobs TD…clearly no call was their…14 easy point switch in this game…ALL IN THE NAME OF KATRINA!!!!….also d-coach Sheridan’s scheme was poor, no pass rush or blitzes, this guy is no SPAGARULO!!! as for ccbrown he’s not a 1st stringer and because of injuries he’s there…HOPEFULLY, the playoffs will bring this match-up again!!! WHEN IT REALLY COUNTS!!!
Nothing to feel bad about
In 2006, the Saints came out of their week 7 bye at 5-1, then had their butts handed to them by the Ravens, 35-22. Ravens scored 4 TDs in the first half. The Saints managed all of 35 yds rushing. Drew had a 53% completion rate and threw 3 INTs. It was awful. But they finished the season 10-6 (could have been 11-5, but starters were rested in meaningless final game), won the division, and made it to the NFC championship. No, they didn’t win the big prize, but having gone 3-13 the year before, and going deeper into the playoffs than they ever had still made for a great season.
Besides, this wasn’t as bad as the 30-7 beat down the Saints gave the Giants in 2006. ;)
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