The Last Time The Giants Lost to an Undefeated Team
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT
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hey, look at that
the Raiders are winning!
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on
Really not ready to go crazy over this one, and if you know this team, it would be foolish to think they can’t still have a successful season.
Offense: We ran the ball pretty well, just had to stop doing it in the second half. Eli was a little off and obviously that can’t happen against a good team, but he’s been able to overcome bad games in the past. On the two plays the Saint blitz (which was the only way they got pressure) really worked there were TOs, and that’s just a bad ratio. I really wasn’t that impressed with the Saints D. All in all, if you buy that the Saints have a good D, it was a decent performance.
Defense: The big problem was no pressure. We know the D is going to get burned over the middle if that happens, but Boley should help a little with that. And I don’t think you can logically say that this proves we can’t rush the QB – it was a bad week for the rush, but should be better going forward.
Special teams: Hixon was great, and remember what he did to Arizona last year. But why were Carney’s kickoffs going farther than Tynes’?
Refs: Didn’t cost us the game, but come on. And they took away the first good catch Jacobs has ever made.
And I know we may have to play NO again, but this was their peak game, and no team is as good as their peak. I don’t think we could have beaten NE in 2007 when they were at their early season peak, and look how that turned out.
by Mount17 on Oct 18, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"But why were Carney's kickoffs going farther than Tynes'?"
Because Carney doesn’t take kickoffs for the Saints, Morstead does.
by JoshNY on Oct 18, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a valid point
I saw that their other kicker wasn’t active and thought it was the KO guy.
by Mount17 on Oct 18, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Refs
The Giants definitely didn’t lose due to the refs but give me a break There were some terrible calls. The pass interference on Webster was a joke. There’s no doubt it was a fumble late in the first half. And last but not least… where was the holding on O’Hara? When was the flag thrown? A home team phantom call.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree that there were some pretty soft calls
but there was also a lot of poor poor poor defense by the Giants
by JoshNY on Oct 19, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another note
do you think Jim Zorn is being fired right now, or will they wait till tomorrow?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he's already been fired.
Today, combined with the fact that Holliday to the Mets seems more and more likely by the day, makes today the first time in a while I’ve found myself to as happy to be a Mets fan as a Giants fan.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, Holliday to the Mets?
I haven’t heard that – gotta head over to AA haha.
But whatever, Holliday dropped one pop fly. He sucks
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumping more money into FA?
and the beat goes on for Omar & Co.
not that Holliday is a bad player, he’s not. but, i just feel like the Mets are trapped in the same cycle.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 18, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres no salary cap
so i’m not concerned about how much money they spend. i just wish they wouldnt prioritize something like a closer and then blow their wad on a guy like k rod when they dont bother to get any kind of decent back ups for their old, injury prone first baseman.
also trading for francouer was pathetic.
cant get any worse than this year tho. i hope.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Oct 18, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
where did you end up going to watch the game today?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah, i didnt
i just mad a comment to that affect on the bottom of the thread. i watched the redskins embarrass themselves and help fire their coach in the middle of the season.
i have a bunch of exams next week so i figured id save my self for next weekend.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Oct 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha nice
yea, I wish I didn’t go. Oh, well
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest...
while I like seeing the Mets struggle, matt Holliday would make sense for you guys.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh Jamarcus
…way to kill a promising drive with a costly pick. You’re the best
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha Donovan
or should we call him “Chris Webber”?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No recap
‘Kudos & Wet Willies’ in the morning. But, since CJ already has a post up for you guys to vent I will wait. I think you guys know it won’t be a fun read.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Hixon's returns...
is there a single other Kudo?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs?
he looked good today and made an awesome TD catch – I don’t care that it was called back, that was impressive
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradshaws TD run was nice
so was Hakeem Nicks in garbage time but thats about it.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manningham made some nice plays too
the offense really wasn’t that bad. Manning missed two easy TD’s, and obviously the fumble was killer, but other than that the O didn’t look bad – the D just never showed up.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought Manningham was great
taking away a sure pick from Sharper.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
and the TD catch was a thing of beauty
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
they had to get away from their plan, which was more than likely to run it down the Saints throats.
I like the deep shots, but they failed and backfired…pretty much those 2 missed bombs were the game, cuz they came down and scored.
But Jake and Bradshaw ran well when given the ball.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicks had another nice (and quiet) game.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 18, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Offense
was actually pretty good in my opinion, the D just didnt do anything all game.
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 18, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Eli for blasting Bradshaw on the missed blitz pick up
by njgiant on Oct 18, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
How great was it watching Eli display some emotion and taking control of ‘his’ team.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants O Line
Jacobs and Bradshaw had some good runs. Although the Giants were down 2 TDs early the pass protection for the most part was very good. They only allowed 2 sacks in mostly obvious passing situations.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady looking like 2007 again....
damn how the Titans have fallen flat. Turnover after turnover.
31-0 and Brady’s marching em down again.
Cool game with the snow and all tho…
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What the hell happened to the Titans?!
I know Haynesworth is gone but my god they suck. I love those old Pat uniforms, they should stick with those. The patirot snaping the ball, classic
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what their saying...
secondary is real banged up.
Sound similar huh?
We should kiss the ground to be 5-1 right now with all the injuries.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about time
::sniffle:: he’s my (fantasy) qb ::sniffle sniffle::
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
38-0.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
if I’d started Colston and Shockey, I’d be closing in on 200 fantasy points right now. As is I still have Tony G going later, so he could have a big game
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took Drew Brees Off!
Cuz I thought he was going to be limited by the Giants D. Big Ben is my backup so I thought it was an intelligent thing to do, boy was I wrong. But it’s not as bad as one of my mates, he took off Brady because he wasn’t doing all that well so far!
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Oct 18, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to play nicks more
is he #3 yet on the depth chart?
by B-rod24 on Oct 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was wondering
why hixon was back in the lineup at WR after missing all that time. i know he had a great game returning, but that’s what he’s supposed to do. he hasn’t really established himself as a WR threat. i was wondering why not move nicks into a more prominent role instead of taking deep shots to hixon.
by cntrlalt on Oct 18, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a rook.
and Hixon played just about as good as Nicks at WR today.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh-oh
Kris Jenkins hurt. That’s a HUGE loss for the J-E-T-S if it’s serious
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow..PHILLY!
10-6? at the half?
I think that’s a small consolation already on this Sunday.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...LOSING
10-6 at the half I might add….
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yup
could have been worse – Raiders were driving but JaMarcus threw a pick, and the Eagles got down and kicked a field goal right before the half. Best part was that on 3rd down McNabb tried to call timeout, but the Eagles had used all 3 already, so it was delay of game
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be great of the Raiders won
but Andy and the Eagles will make the propper adjustments and win. Would be great though to see an Eagle loss.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
***heads over to BGN.
not gonna troll..
tho I might add something….
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still too soon to get my hopes up though
by XLII on Oct 18, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I picked a frickin terrific week to drop Brady from my salary cap football team
by XLII on Oct 18, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
JaMarcus sucks
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the only reason im on BBV is because i know an ignorant giants fan who thought they would destroy the giants
i told him all week that the giants have not played anybody this season and that was why your stats were so good. yeah you were 5-0 and i was rooting against the saints (im from CSR), but my statement became true when i said that the giants may flounder against a real test in the big easy.
by carolinabrave89 on Oct 18, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saints are good
but it’s only one game. And the Giants are still a damn good team, they just played a crappy game. Last year they played a crappy game against the Browns and still got out to 11-1. Barring major injuries, I’m pretty comfortable guaranteeing that the Giants will be a playoff team, and maybe even get home field. We’ll see how the season shakes out.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can say the Giants "floundered"
and I’m sure that will be the talk all week.
But I’ll never forget that Browns game last year. Not saying the Saints are the Browns, the Saints are not pretenders.
Giants got beat, fair and square..and they got beat good.
But there are plenty of things to look at from this game and take forward.
In the grand scheme of things, the Giants aren’t going undefeated and one loss is just one loss…in October, that’s about as meaningless as it gets.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
they will be fine but I’m a bit concerned about the D. The D-Line has been manhandled by good O-lines, Dallas & NO. The injuries are not helping but it seems as if they don’t get a good rush with the front 4 they won’t blitz any of the backers or D-backs because they need them in coverage and today with 6 guys covering they still got shreded. This D has not been the same since late last year and unless Eli plays well against the Cards next week it could be more of the same with their O.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
the complete lack of pressure really hurt. I think Romo would have carved us up like this too if the Giants didn’t kill him every play.
The Saints O-Line really showed me something today, gotta give them all the credit.
I really saw the same defense from the late season collapse of last year.
This is where Boley helped so much, he was all over the field and I think him alone would have made this a different game.
We’re gonna have nothing but battles from here on out too, not a single easy one on there (even the Redskins game….)
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is nothing like the Browns game
last year though. The Browns game was a good Giants team walking into a game in which they knew they were the better team and looked right past the Browns. Don’t tell me that the Giants were looking past the Saints. The Giants came into this game knowing it was a big test of their team and wanted to show the world how good they were. These two are nothing alike at all, I am not saying this loss will end the Giants season or they will crumble and not play well anymore (infact they will probably play better) but this is not comparable to the Browns game at all.
by sduncan24 on Oct 19, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but this was a big dome game with 2 weeks to prepare for the saints. If NO played like they did against Buffalo, NY wins that game. You guys are going to need to win home field because your team does not look as good out doors as you do in the dome.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 18, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
59-0 Patriots
and a whole frickin 4th to go.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
funny story
guy I was sitting next to at the bar (Eagles fan) started Donovan McNabb over Drew Brees on his fantasy team – I bet he’s kicking himself right now
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Raiders kidnapped the Giants D.....
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
also, I love Jeff Feagles to death so I don’t want this to be taken the wrong way – but DAMN does Shane Lechler have a strong leg
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
Lechler does what Feagles does too as far as the coffin corner.
He also booms 70 yarders.
I guess his leg is so strong cuz he uses it 15 times a game.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
what a hit
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And 13-6 Raiders!
Nnamdi Asomugha is out too? And they can’t do ANYTHING?
Wow……bad week for the Beast….and the Cowboys didn’t even play….
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
13-9.
C’MON J-MARCUS…..
…oh boy…
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Raiders keep stalling
they look great until they cross midfield
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonna just run out the clock.
looks like McNabb in the 2 minute drill (5 minutes left..just predicting at this point).
Can he do it?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or.
3:42, from his own 20.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and FAIL.
Still time left tho.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's over
hahahahaha the Eagles just lost to the Raiders
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo
If other Philly team also loses it would almost make up for the Giants’ loss.
by Mount17 on Oct 18, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
it would be like the day the Mets completed their collapse in 2007 followed by the Giants sacking McNabb 132 times, only in reverse
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Saints game was a game we knew the Gmen could lose
but had we lost to Raiders last week I’d be on suicide watch
by Major on Oct 18, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do Philly RBs
run the ball 11 times in a close game?
by Mount17 on Oct 18, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid refuses to run the ball
That’s how Kolb was able to get 300+ yard games
by Willgfass on Oct 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirty Sanchiez
having a rough day against the Bills. Couple of bad picks. I actually took the Jets in my knockout pool, should have known.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giants crush Saints
The Giants will meet the Saints in the play-off. And it will be pay back time.
by Olddiehard on Oct 18, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right
but after todays debacle, I’m not very confident our D can stop anybody halfway decent.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad i didnt go to a bar to watch that abortion
it was nice watching the skins and the eagles go down hard tho. could have been a worse week.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Oct 18, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giants D Line Overrated!
First, I’ll preface my post by stating I’ve been a Giants fan for almost 40 years. Also, my opinions are not a result of today’s ass whopping. In the Giants Super Bowl our front 4 was able to put constant pressure on Brady. Since that game the front has been largely ineffective. The Giants do not bring sufficient pressure unless they bring some blitz packages. A few weeks ago the Jets held the Saints to 10 offensive points. They held the Saints from a touchdown until midway through the fourth quarter. Why? How? the Jets blitzed and kept blitzing.
When Steve Spagnuolo left the Giants to became the Rams head coach I posted on this site I welcomed the loss of Spags. Spags received too much credit for the Giants Super Bowl run. Last season there was lots of talk about the Giants D line wearing down. Injuries on the line was the primary excuse. While the excuse was valid the bigger reason was again the Giants lack of blitz packages. Rushing 4 linemen vs. 5 O line wore the Giants down. Spags, the Giants coaching staff and they’re players became too overconfident and cocky on their lines ability to pressure the QB.
Staying on the subject of overrated. Osi Umenyiora. In 2007, Osi was select to the pro bowl. An undeserved honor. Aside from his 6 sacks vs the Eagles he registered 8 sacks in the other 19 games including the playoffs. 8 Sacks. In the playoff run he had zero sacks. In 4 regular season and 1 playoff game he had zero tackles. His containment on the run is terrible.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed on Osi being overrated...
tho, he’s still one of the top 10 ends in the game.
I agree, we need to start blitzing more.
In the Skins and Dallas games, I thought they blitzed too much, and it cost them on the long running plays.
Now, it seems they are scared of the blitz and only going once in a while.
I think its more of a feel thing and something Sheridan will get over time.
REMEMBER!!!! Spags and that D wasn’t really SB caliber for every single game either.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your a little harsh
but I agree with much of what your saying the other problem I see is that for some reason over the last couple of games last year and through this year the D-Line has trouble stopping the run against anybody good. Hopefully they’ll fix their problems but this D might do them in this year not the WR’s like everybody thought.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing is...
its early yet…and you can really think of it as a lot of injuries are taking their toll.
Not really that we’re missing starters, but just depth. As the season goes on, these guys coming back fresh could be a blessing.
The real X factor is Boley. He really was all a Pro-Bowl type guy to me, he’ll really help when he comes back.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
X Factor
Boley and Sintim. Boley showed good coverage speed as well as blitzing. With Sintim’s speed he should be effective blitzing on the edge.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don;t know what to think about Sintim.
I mean I know what you saw in preseason, the guy was a beast. But its preseason..and why can’t he get on teh field now? What is this injury and why hasn’t he played at all yet?
Agree that he could help and even make an impact…but when?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Sintim is an unknown. We also know TC is old school. He often doesn’t have lots of trust with rookies. Aside from the injury who much experience is needed to be put in strictly as a blitzing LB?
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have been getting scared and putting our LBs in coverage as opposed to filling holes. Part of this is our injured secondary. Drew picked us appart today because we left LB on WR matchups all over the field. I think we have been too bend but not break. We made their O Line look like probowlers today.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 18, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem
when you destroy weak teams and then get pummeled by a really good team people tend to overreact to the results. The Giants defense played horrible but they aren’t as bad as the Saints made them look today. One thing that is huge going forward. Teams are going to pick on CC Brown over the middle all day. Bill Sheridan needs to shore that area up fast.
Boley, Canty, Ross all starters that missed this game. We still don’t know for sure what this defense really is.
by Major on Oct 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right I'm probabbly overreacating
but something does not seem right to me about this D espcailly up front. In 07 and 08 we were still weak at saftey with James Butler and teams picked on him deep but we we still were able to minimize big plays and shut down teams on the ground. Like I said earlier I’m not overley concerned that the Saints beat our D-Backs and scored some points, they are are great Ofense but the ease they did it with because Brees was so comfortable in the pocket and their ability to run the ball when they needed is what concerns me.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal
We destroyed the weak teams. Against an average Cowboy team our line was pushed around. Cowboys ran the ball down our throats. Then today’s disaster. Our D line seems more interested in the sack then committing to stopping the run.
CC Brown is absolutely terrible in coverage. The loss of Philips will be difficult to overcome.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we destroyed weak teams.
but as always, I disagree with the idea that teh Cowboys are average, or even that the Redskins are well below average.
Those are division teams, doesn’t matter how bad they are against other teams. Those games are always a battle no matter if either team is winless or undefeated Being 2-0 in the division…really much more important than the Saints game.
Definitely a wake up call game. Its early, tho so since they seem to have a lot to work on, there’s plenty of time to fix it.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about division
but Washington is 2-4. Every team they faces was winless. They are a terrible team.
Dallas since starting 3-0 last season they’re 9-9. That spells average to me. Regardless, allowing 250+ plus rushing yards is on the D line and is worrisome.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
but that’s what I’m saying…
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win your division games...
you’re golden.
Cuz..that’s what its all about right? Getting to the playoffs?
Cards were 8-8, but took care of division games.
I don;t really care about 12-4 or better…obviously…doesn’t matter. Be less stressful Fall season…but doesn’t matter as long as you get in.
I don’t care where the Giants play either.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really there is nothing you can do when the Saints moved
Colston around and had him on AP and running free to the safety all day. No one can reach a QB in 3 seconds. The Dline stopped a rushing attack that avg 166yds per contest. They just could not get to Brees because his reads were too easy! Colston on a LB? throw it to Colston. Colston on a safety throw it to Colston. It was just too easy we didn’t disguise our coverage or switch out of plays that were bad matches for the D.
by Major on Oct 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Seconds?
On many passing attempts Brees had lots of time. He was able to step up into the pocket. He rarely had anyone is his face. Again how do you account for the Jets getting constant pressure on Brees? Jets were blitzing and blitzing often.
The D line stopped the rushing attack? The Saints ran for 133 yards. The average rush was only 3.4 per carry but that stats is slightly misleading. The Saints last 2 possessions they had 5 carries for 5 yards while running down the clock.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raiders beat Eagles
Exhibit A as to why i never bet on pro football.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 18, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tho as long as you don't be the house on that one...
its a win win.
And..OH…does the Raiders winning salvage the day!
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive said it a few times already, but the saints are a different team outside. They will loose a couple when it gets cold and they go on the road. They had 2 weeks to prepare. Were in the dome and pumped up.
We limped in and dont have a healthy secondary… that kills out blitzes because we have put our guys in help coverage instead of sending them. Not many guys who can play one on 1 right now.
We need to get back to running the ball. I know Eli is good, but like Pit, we are getting away from how we got good. Run fist, set up play action. Maybe mix in some screens to keep the LBs honest.
Oh well, its a loss. If we go .500 against the current undefeateds Im happy.
by ryanwk628 on Oct 18, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreee....
but I think the Giants are a good dome team too, they proved it numerous times..and I’d include the Dallas game as a dome game too.
I agree, running the ball was definitely there.
The Saints hit EVERYTHING. They aren’t doin that again.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye Week
I don’t buy (no pun intended) into the bye week being an advantage for the Saints. The Saints had lost 3 straight and 5 of their last 6 games coming out of their bye week.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
I don’t buy that losing 5/6 from their bye week stuff.
Saints, aside from a few missing O-Lineman (didn;t matter) and Fujita (also..didn’t matter) were healthy.
I don’t think that many of those past bye weeks they were ever this healthy.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Sanchez and the Jets are falling apart
4 INTs for Sanchez today
by Major on Oct 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they will still pull this one out
Buff stinks, no QB
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jets Bills in OT
this game is a real stinker
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unathletic LBs
With AP, Blackburn and Clark the Giants LBs cannot catch a cold. Love the way Chase runs to the ball but too often is he late. Love the way AP calls the defense but he got nailed in pass coverage for a TD AGAIN! Clark is just plain average. Plueeze put in Kehl and Sintim. Live with a couple mistakes but they will provide impact!!!!!
by MSP Giant on Oct 18, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup.
We’re gonna miss Boley and we drafted Sintim for a reason.
But while I agree with that…Sintim didn’t play cuz he’s hurt and also Kehl has a broken finger (dunno if he suited up…), but he didn’t play.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kehl played
made a tackle on Kickoff coverage and got called for unecessary roughness because he tackled the guy by the head
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward to
Sintim at SLB
Boley at WLB
AP can be compensated for by those two. But he is on the way out – no question. WAY too slow.
by MSP Giant on Oct 18, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good observation, re: AP
As much as we all respect his ability to quarterback our defense, he has been a major liability in pass coverage. In recent times it seems that when teams burn us badly with the pass it is up the seam and not on the edge, and we saw that again several times today.
The postgame Giants.com call-in show criticized C.C. Brown for his play today, and while he wasn’t without his mistakes (the miscommunication with Dockery on the TD comes to mind), he also posted 12 tackles. Whenever your safety leads the team in tackles, it means either a) he was flying all over the field and was a beast in stopping the run; or b) his services were called upon far too often in the secondary. The Saints receivers should NOT have been getting that deep, but we weren’t playing press coverage often and guys were coming free up the seam and blowing by our LBs. Coupled with the fact that we got virtually no pressure up front, and suddenly we have the perfect storm. There were breakdowns all over the field today on D (three encroachment calls will undoubtedly drive TC nuts), but coverage over the middle certainly stood out to me as a glaring weakness.
Perhaps this is the formula for picking apart our defense. I imagine Kurt Warner will be salivating once he sees the gaping holes in the middle of our defense on film.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 18, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheriden
Send him to Vegas to learn to gamble. Too conservative today.
by MSP Giant on Oct 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Conservative
When your losing by 17 or 24 points and your D hasn’t made a stop it’s obvious your D scheme is not working. Send 6 or 7. What do you have to lose???? The Saints had 3rd and 17. Once again Sheriden only sends 4 allowing the receiver to get down field and wide open.
On Eli’s INT the Saints sent 8. They only had 3 in coverage. The blitz often.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much Blitzing
Is bad too, I agree the Giants needed more pressure today. But you can die by the Blitz too, esp. when CC Brown in your secondary.
by DoctorK16 on Oct 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not suggesting
they blitz 7 or 8 on every passing down but they should send at least one blitzer most of the time.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say he should have blitzed more
He should have seen that today’s gameplan was garbage by the second drive.
by njgiant on Oct 18, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzpatrick and Dirty Sanchez suck
this is awful QB play both guys are forcing passes. Niether team wants to win. The one time I want the Jets to win (I have them in my knockout pool) their shiting the bed. I bet it ends in a tie.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Depth
The place where JR has NOT provided depth is safety and it got exposed today. Of course, if that is the only place then Sheridan should be able to compensate.
by MSP Giant on Oct 18, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez picked again!
Are you kidding me? This is awful. 5 Picks. Give the Jets D credit they keep stuffing the Bills
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OL is playing below their abilities.
But I expect they will come around.
But I am not sure what is up with the DL.
by MSP Giant on Oct 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did'nt they out up 47 last year in the snow
vs the Cards
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The loss hurts but...
knowing the Eagles lost to a Jamarcus Russell powered Raiders team makes it a little better.
by Lucky7 on Oct 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That shocks me more than
they way the Saints kicked our asses
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are at a distinct disadvantage
We have a defensive coordinator who was clearly overmatched and had nothing, not one answer, and clearly no preparation for anything the Saints might throw at them. No blitzing, no interesting wrinkles, nothing on D to force the issue and nothing on D to help where help was needed. What was Sheridan doing all week? What prevents a DC from changing things up at all? We are like the Yankees as they approached the 64 World Series. Great players, great team, and the front office let everyone get old together. Loyalty was prized above all. And so we have Tom Coughlin, the man who changed. Love it, love his story, love the Super Bowl win. But one screen pass every few months, making our own tight end MIA during games, the lack of play-action, it’s almost as if the last 30 years of football have passed him by, AND STILL HE STANDS BY GILBRIDE. In the Giants case it may not be the players who got old but the thinking. Having said that, Am I alone in thinking that Pierce’s intangibles may not outweigh his age on the field and his lack of athleticism? I am tired of hearing that he’s a coach on the field. You know what, he certainly plays like one. Yes, it’s game 6 of a marathon, not a sprint, but I’m looking at New Orleans and Minnesota and even Philly and their thinking is current. I can’t say the same for the Giants. Yes, let’s by all means impose our will. But come on, there are more ways to do it than what we’ve seen from Gilbride and after today what we know about Sheridan. I’ll be the first to say it, we may yet make a huge run in the playoffs and we might even win a Super Bowl. But where is our Mike Tomlin? Where is our young coach who thinks about the way the game is played today and how to make it play next year? And how to get ahead of the pack?
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tis one game
but there are some good points made here.
TC and KG are old style coaches. With the right players they can get away with it.
AP is ready to be phased out after this year. But the message (Sheridan) is you cannot expose AP further by flanking him with two unathletic LBs. Chase and Clark are first class back ups. Great for a stopgap but…..
by MSP Giant on Oct 18, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your being a little tough
Andy Reid showed today that he is stubborn and still does not change his ways. Minnesota has been classic underachievers for years they are finally putting it all together this year but the season is still young. TC is a very good coach he’s one SB win away from the HOF. The Saints are comming off back to back years with no playoffs, Sean Peyton hired Greg Williams becasue if he did not win this year he might be fired and the D was the problem. Maybe Sheridan was not the best pick for DC but it’s still to early to determin that. Yes other than Spags TC has not been great with his choices of coordinators but he does a great job developing young players and with JR they put a good system in place. Maybe they don’t use Boss that much but Manningham looks like he’s going to be a player and Smith is developing into one of the better WR in the league. The Giants are ahead of the pack, along with the Steelers, Colts, Eagles, Patriots. The Vikings and Saints are trying to get to that point and have made great strides this year to get there. Remember the Giants are one of the better teams in the League and have been for a few years now. Some of your points are good but some of them would apply for the Cowboys or Redskins not the Giants.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be clear about something
of course I’m being a little tough, that’s the point! and please learn to discuss what’s been written, not start off by saying BUT Andy Reid does this and Minnesota does that and New Orleans hasn’t… talk about what’s discussed re: the Giants and what was written. Philly went out and drafted Jackson and Maclin AND THEY INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE OFFENSE to utilize their talents. They changed things. Minnesota got percy Harvin, a most unlikely Viking based on past talent. And THEY USE HIM. We have players at skill positions and we don’t use them. Bradshaw, Boss, play action, screens, red zone all come to mind immediately. Because we, with Coughlin as the head and the face, are stuck in the past. And like I said, indeed, we might win it all. But it will be the last gasp of a dying empire IF WE DO NOT CHANGE as the game has changed and talent or no, remain competitive AND BETTER. And lastly, just as every analyst ever has said the pass rush is the key to a good to great defense, of course some points can apply to other teams. But once again, I am talking about the Giants.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 18, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to blow up your whole thesis or anything
but we do have a guy named Jerry Reese, and a pack of draft picks that he’s made in the past couple of years – including our entire receiving corps – that are integral to the team.
I was down on Coughlin too halfway through 2007 but the man has proven himself. This is one game. The team is still 5-1. Give them a chance to bounce back, Drama Queen.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 18, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
all of a sudden the Giants are OLD and too loyal with their players…who the hell is old?
Pierce? Take him out of the defense today…I bet NO DOUBLES their output.
Coughlin’s old now? The team loves their coach, they won a Bowl TWO years ago…went 12-4 LAST YEAR…
and you talk about Tomlin? Why cuz Cowher’s 15 year regime got old…When/if Coughlin’s here 15 years, then we’ll consider that.
Right now? Not a single coach I want on this tea,
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't say the giants are old
I use the ‘64 Yanks analogy to discuss “loyalty”, the Yanks to players and the Giants to a coach and his far-less-than desired staff. and yes, i’m well aware of the genius of reese in finding talent in the draft, agree completely. but in the nfl the head coach has autonomy and that’s fine. fine when there’s a meshing of styles, and ideas for the future. but when, as i see it, a coach who is a traditionalist when it comes to all things football and his staff THIS YEAR that goes out of its way to never innovate or even search for new and different or older, tried and true (i’ll say this for the thousandth time – how many times have we seen, in the red zone, especially inside the 5, play action followed by the wait a tick release by the tight end who is ALONE in the end zone – hundreds of times. BY OTHER TEAMS. we all read and enjoy this blog and we know the other simple plays or new ideas that the Giants brain-trust simply refuses to wrap their collective heads around. that is what i am saying. coughlin is all about loyalty. and tradition. and while both are wonderful traits to be admired, sometimes they are misplaced and misused. i want the mindset of this coaching staff to change. we can say one game, one game, all we want. i disagree. i love that we stockpile defensive linemen. but we do not have an impact linebacker (boley may be close to that but remains to be seen) and have not had one or developed one for years. this blog has pointed out the problems at safety. my point is simply this – i feel we have a coach who may have changed parts of his personality and yes, that went a long way towards helping us win the super bowl BUT he refuses to change parts of his approach to football for a changing game and the proof is in the plans drawn up BY HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND HIS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. the giants win IN SPITE of Gilbride and Sheridan because of the talent level and the execution efficiency. ask yourselves what lawrence taylor’s career might’ve been if coughlin rather than parcells had been his coach? loyalty to outmoded ways of doing things is not a character trait i want in my head football coach and a complete and utter lack of innovation is not what i want in my coordinators.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 19, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last gasp of a dying empire?
what are you nuts?
The ONLY problem with this game was the defense. Not the offensive gameplan.
Its all IF’s…so IF they hit on that SWISS pass, its a different game. IF Webster at least tips that ball away…its a different game.
LOTS of BREAKS OF THE GAME that fell in the Saints favor.
This is not a we NEED TO EVOLVE type game…we didn’t excecute. The Defense was exposed too, but if they aren’t on the field as much as they were…different game.
We could have ran all over them.
This game is on Eli missing a few key throws (maybe they shouldn’t have been on third down…) and the defnse not being able to stop UL-Lafeyette today…
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about ‘if’ they don’t call a bogus DPI on webster. Or ‘if’ the ruling on the field at the end of the 1st half had been fumble, recovered by Boss.
Anyways, horrible coverage in the 2ndary, especially in the 2nd half today. But, it was one bad game, they need to get over it, cuz they are looking at a serious passing attack again next week. Hope the D is way PO’d going into that one.
by Wide_right on Oct 18, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another play
Webster pulling up on a possible pick on 3rd and long on the first drive of the game b/c Thomas was coming at him, and the ball bouncing to Moore.
by Mount17 on Oct 18, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
and that horrible PI call (that even Colston was laughing at….) and fumble..14 points they led to.
Not saying you wipe the penalties away, you take the points away. Cuz the way the Saints were going…they would have marched down anyway.
On the Webster play? You could probably tell it was gonna be a bad day then. How that ball isn’t at the very least just falling harmlessly to the ground..I don’t know, let alone caught by Moore (really wanted someone to take that guy’s head off today….him and Shockey were annoying.)
Lots of IFs. They beat us…but it really wasn’t as much of a blowout as it seemed.
They got ALL the breaks and capitalized on them.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 18, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this was like the exact opposite
of the Dallas game
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i couldn't disagree more re: IFS
the problem with the IFS thesis as presented by you and others is that it never takes into account all the plays that went our way!!! in true believer fashion, you and most fans just want the plays that went bad for your team to be subject to WHAT IF. but be aware that the SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR EVERY OTHER PLAY and the limitless number of possibilities that can occur for plays that we liked. most fans boo when their team runs some lame play and fails to get that first down or that touchdown. but those same fans seem completely unaware and oblivious to the fact that THE OTHER TEAM has spent a week practicing to STOP THAT PLAY. i am looking at a bigger picture, at something that i think is institutionalized in who coughlin is and how he coaches and approaches football. agree, disagree, cite chapter and verse, be my guest. but fooling ourselves with a HEY BUT WHAT IF look at the Saints game is a mistake by my reckoning.
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 19, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy just becuase I did'nt agree
you don’t have to go off. I did dicuss your points bt your post was a litlle all over the place so my reply was too. To your point the Giants drafted Mario Manninham and are starting to use him. They drafted Steve Smith and at the end of the 07 season started utilizing him in the slot during their Super Bowl run, something they never did much of during the year. They changed and “incorporated” him into the offense based on his talent right before the playoffs. Hakeem Nicks is making an imact as a rookie. Bradshaw is their leading rusher this year and he does not get all of the snaps because if you saw today he does not pick up the blitz consistantly well while Jacobs is better at that. And how is Percey Harvin an “a most unlikely Viking based on past talent” is this not the organization that once had Randy Moss and Chris Carter playing WR? I don’t even know what that statement means. They drafted a WR because they were weak at the position and are now playing him becaue he has proven to be good. The Giants drafted Aaron Ross in 07 because they had nobody at corner and he turned out to be good and they “incorporated” him onto the D. What do you expect the Giants to do that the Eagles and Vikings are doing so much better.
by Landeta on Oct 19, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post!
When the Giants reach the red zone has Gilbride called a passing play on their first play in the red zone? It seems as if he’s ran the ball every time.
Play action? Has the play action pass been taking out of the Giants playbook. Eli is very good in play action. Why has it been utilized very infrequently?
Like in Tampa when Eli bitched at Gilbride it appeared too many times Gilbride takes too long calling the play.
AP is a very good on field coach. I agree. His weaknesses are glaring and the good teams easily exploit them.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't have a bad game...
we lost due to Mullet Power. Will someone slip Drew a Supercuts coupon?
Good game drew.
by EverBlue on Oct 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A least with the Jets Lossing
we won’t here much about the Giants lossing to the Saints. Jet fans will calling for Sanchez’s head and to fire Rex Ryan. Another 3-0 start down the drain to 3-3 you could have predicted it after they beat the Titans and all of the Jet fans were talking Super Bowl.
by Landeta on Oct 18, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike and Mike
Tomorrow morning I’ll be able to watch Mike and Mike. When the Jets were winning and with the success of Sanshize the show was unwatchable. Greeny insufferable. The show was about the Jets and only about the Jets.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
318 Rushing Yards.....
and you lose at home? OUCH!
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A first time
It’s the first time in more than 20 years that a team lost while rushing for more than 300 yards.
by FrankB0318 on Oct 18, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to the Cowboys for making up ground on the whole division today.
Well played, Wade. Well played.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Oct 18, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That made me laugh. Maybe that’s why the Cowboys fans are all talking smack on the ESPN boards.
by sexyscottish on Oct 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
today was Tony Romo's best day since 2007
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Film & films
This game show the Saints know more about our Giants than we know about them.
They also, play with more intensity than us, thus causing a plus turnover for them.
Our weakness and their strength will be more balance in the play-off.
This loss is a blessing, It showed us where we need to improve.
This olddiehard had seen it before.
by Olddiehard on Oct 18, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we meet the saints again
the d better show up.
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 18, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
biggest lesson `
i think this shows the giants that they need to stop playing around and get serious about playing week in and out. this game proved that right now we arent the undisputed best. we have to stop looking at the raiders and thinking we got this. we need to look up to the steelers patriots saints and work towards being able to make them look like the raiders.
by karamjitm9090 on Oct 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Classic Jets
bring you up, then crash you right down.
i’d rather root for a team that never gave me hope (Cleveland) as opposed to a team that flirts with success, only to ultimately fail.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 18, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my dad's apoplectic
I think he had already purchased his Super Bowl tickets.
I can sympathize though, being a Mets fan
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
truth is we played horrible on O and on D lots of points left on the field by the Giants. However the injuries showed up today really and the refs didn’t help either but much credit goes to the Saints good win by them but theres a long way to go. We have to rebound next week agaisnt the Cards
by g-men_fan on Oct 18, 2009 10:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
no pass rush
Simply put, we lost cuz our defense couldn’t dial the pass rush. They ran the score up cuz Brees sat back there comfortable all day. That zone coverage our D was running all game is useless if there isn’t pressure. Hopefully we’ll be better next time around.
by Makaveli8751 on Oct 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
no pain no gain
thats right,you have to feel the agony of defeat sometimes,we cannot always xpect to win all the time.But when we lose suck it up and prepare for the next one.Dont blameno one person ,it was a team lost .now we got that out the way lets make up for that by doing what we do best,come back wi
my best year was when i was in san diego and i got to watch the giants beat up denver in the superbowl,First bowl ever o ooooohrah.
by jjwilliams55 on Oct 19, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO PAIN NO GAIN
We have to understand that we will fall sometimes,but do get bent shape no,do we point fingers no,we hold our heads high check out our record be prou,d of it and move on. NewYork is on top of there game,dont let a lost be a burden. After we five teams straight ,how they feel.ok then play ball,
my best year was when i was in san diego and i got to watch the giants beat up denver in the superbowl,First bowl ever o ooooohrah.
by jjwilliams55 on Oct 19, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The said "We play poorly"
Isn’t football a team sport? l always thought coach"es design and call the plays.
The whole team better make adjustments or else bye bye play-off.
by Olddiehard on Oct 19, 2009 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last time we lost to an undefeated team...
I felt like we just proved ourselves as a team to be taken seriously in the playoffs.
This time, not so much.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 19, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Beat Arizona...
this game doesn’t matter.
…BOOM.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 21, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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