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New York Giants notes: Jacobs, Shockey and everything in between

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Lots of things to talk about today regarding our New York Giants as they prep for Sunday's showdown with the New Orleans Saints.

So much, in fact, that it's tough to know where to begin. I guess this is what happens when you step away for a day. Anyway, I think I will begin with ...

Brandon Jacobs stuff

Tom Coughlin was asked about Jacobs expressing frustration with his performance, and strongly defended the running back.

"I don’t know what people keep talking about turning around. The guy had some outstanding runs the other day.  He had the numbers in terms of rushes.  He had the usual number of power runs that he has.  I don’t think there is anything for Brandon to be down on," Coughlin said. "This keeps coming up. I don’t know what the expectations are.  He is a power runner and that is what he does. If you are talking about the goal line – it was good penetration and he didn’t get the opportunity to get into the end zone. But he will continue to work at that and continue to study and continue to look at himself. And he continues to be a vital part of our offensive team.

I happen to agree with the point ESPN's Adam Schefter made Tuesday, regardless of whether we think Jacobs has played to his full ability thus far in 2009.

SCHEFTER: "These days, teams need two backs to win. The Giants have them. To me, it doesn't much matter who's the workhorse. They're both going to play a major role this season."

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Jeremy Shockey stuff

Great work by our man CJ Wednesday in discussing the volatile former Giants tight end. You had to know, however, that Shockey's name would come up again before Sunday.

Here is Saints' quarterback Drew Brees talking about Shockey.

"Shock’s been great. Coming here last year was tough for him because we signed him literally the day before training camp. He was just coming off that broken leg. He wasn’t cleared to play fully yet, then five days into camp he hurts his groin, then he’s got the sports hernia, ankle injury soon after that. It just never seemed like the guy was able to stay healthy. With him out, we just didn’t get a whole lot of time to spend together on the field to get the timing down," Brees said. "This offseason we put in a lot of time together and with the preseason. I feel like now I am confident in everything that he does and I feel like we are very much on the same page. I just see him getting better every week."

Saints coach Sean Payton was asked if Shockey, who has a team-high 18 receptions, is still the same dominant force he was early in his career.

"He is a big target and he is explosive. He still runs well," said Payton. "He is quick in and out of his cuts. Those are all things that you still see, especially now that he is healthy."

By the way, here is a Shockey vowing revenge on the Giants BEFORE they had even traded him. By the way, make sure you check Ernie Palladino's comments here Friday about Shockey. You will enjoy them.

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If Jake was scoring on the goal-line, no one talks about his struggles..

cuz that’s really the only problem I see so far.

The lack of 130yd games doesn’t bother me. Those games usually just had him doing exactly what he’s doing now, except him breaking one or two 30 yarders off.

I think its more of teams teeing off on him in the goal line. Play action to Boss or Swiss, in teh back of the end zone, and boom, TD.

All in all, who really cares (Fantasy owners…..)? Jake is not useless at all. In fact I really wouldn’t trade him for any back in the game. I know there’s guys that rack up more, but I don’t care.

He’s simply one of the best weapons a team could have in the leauge.

Let em keep talking about how ineffective he is. HE’S PLAYING right now. If he’s PLAYING throughout the season and relatively fresh in January? You just might have a very pissed DE RB that’s gonna run the ball down a lot of team’s throats en route to a you know what.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

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---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 15, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not scoring on the goal line

also drags his rushing average down. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’s averagine about 4.5 YPC outside the red zone, but only like 2.0 inside it, which brings his overall average down

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by cjmulrain on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

CJ

Dude that point is fawkin money.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 15, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tito..

I thought a better description of that point was “wicked pissah”

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

AHSOME

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 15, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed

You and me both have been saying Hixon is a better returner than WR. After watching Moss last Sunday I was surprised that Hixon was not returning punts in the second half.

Deep down, I think Hixon knows he is not a starting WR in the NFL – but he is a very good no 3 or 4 – but then that puts him behind Smith, Manningham, Nicks and Barden so his playing time will be limited so he knows to keep his roster spot he needs to be the returner.

As for Jacobs he is helping the passing game by just being on the field – so let’s stop wondering what is happening, keep playing ball and hopefully winning games.

I have had some banter on BTB and they are of the view that they can still win the division – despite moaning about the Coach, the penalties etc.

by G Fan in England on Oct 15, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We agree

Hixon is a terrific 3 or 4, but the thing he does best is special teams. If he is healthy enough he has to be back there returning kicks.
As for Jacobs, yes he is helping the team.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 15, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Hix has the talent to be a 2 or 3,

but not with the Giants. Smith, Manningham and Nicks are all better and Barden might be some day? As a returner, he’s damn good and we really need help there. I hope he plays Sunday. If he needs more time to heal, I’ve been wondering if TC would try someone else back there. TC heart has to have somersaulted over the way Moss has handled those misplays.

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

first, I agree that Hixon best serves this team as a kick returner.
But how many years has he been around? We seem pretty patient with our developing WRs in some cases, and I guess there’s some chance he could end up an excellent NFL WR if he’s not already in his 4th or 5th year…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno...

Last season I saw plenty of flashes from Hixon to believe he could be even a #1. He had an injury last year that kept him from being explosive, especially in that Dallas game last year (and of course this year too…)

I think he needs to get healthy or else he may see any opportunity he has to prove that he’s capable of being that 1 or 2 with the Giants (tho he already may be out of that opportunity with HAM and EGGS Nicks.)

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 15, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always been high on Hix.

I see the potential for him to possibly be a # 1 as well, but not on the Giants. Certainly he can’t beat out Smith. Manningham and Nicks have shown a lot, particularly the ability to shake coverage early. Hix has great speed, is probably faster than both, but he takes a beating and gets slowed down in those first five yards from scrimmage. Manningham and Nicks have the moves to get clear w/o taking the # and ferocity of hits Hix takes there. He has that weird and unique praying mantis take off taught by his college coach. It’s supposed to get you clear of those first five yard bumps, but maybe he should try a more orthodox approach?

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he needs to bulk up a bit.

The guy looks too much like Todd Pinkston. He has that similar agility too, where it just takes him entirely too long (for a WR ) to do things.

HAM is a very good B-Ball player, and you can tell. Nicks is simply a gifted athlete for a 6"0, 215lbs guy.

I think Hix needs to get healthy, plain and simple. I think he could be just fine for the Giants, he just needs to get and stay healthy (getting injured all the time is not cuz he’s on the Giants either…)

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 16, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shockey

What a waste. I hope someone blasts him on Sunday. I want to see him get hit so hard a few of his tattoos fly off.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 15, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There you go again, Jim

relying on subtlety to get your point across. LOL. Tattoos flying off? Now that would go to the top of all-time big hit list. We’ll probably see his helmet flying off at the very least. Seems to happen a lot with Shock.

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I hope they blast that loudmouth..Then we’ll see him throwing ice at little kids again, that tattooed chump.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly Tuck is our best DE...

He’s producing while garnering most the attention from offensive line.

However, the way Tuck and Osi talk about this guy, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was his breakout year, and he gets that kind of recognition.

He looks great out there early on.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 15, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You've netted a great catch for the Notebook

Hix returning—Yes!
Smith a #1—Yes! (and will be facing competition to retain that spot for years.)
Kiwi—Yes! WOD, the best so far (And when will the outside world give Robbins his due?)
G fan—On target re JB. As long as Ds go up against him as they do currently, he’s going to find it hard to break loose, but I love what’s happening in the passing game. I’m really curious about what Williams will do come Sunday. You know he’ll probably come up with a few wrinkles we haven’t seen yet. I’m waiting to see a team try what the Giants used to do to so often stifle Jim Brown: assign one LB (Huff) to “spy” him.
Of course Brown was an even bigger part of the Cleveland than BJ is of ours

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Williams

was the Redskins D Coordinator so will have played the Giants many times so we will have a record on him just as much as he has on us.

Jim – I guess Shockey is not getting an invite to your’s for Thanksgiving lunch!

As for Sunday, the quick screens to Manningham, Nicks or Bradshaw could be big plays if the Saints go all blitz happy on us!

by G Fan in England on Oct 15, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see some

Quick swing passes to Jacobs..that will fix’em..and shutdown their blitzing..Get that Brandon the like that with his motor runnning and watch out!

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sunday Tailgate

Anyone else going to the game Sunday? It would be great to get a tailgate going. Some cold ones, fried oysters and rowdy Big Blue fans is just what the doctor ordered!

DB

by DukBudr on Oct 15, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could be there

That sounds good!!..Fried oysters and cold ones?..Damn that is nice..but it is too late for me to get tickets to the game. This game is sold out, and I don’t think there will even be any scalpers there.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This game

Has gotten me pretty riled up. I don’t mind the smacktalk from other fans just the meaningless banter we have to deal with. This should be a hard fought game that comes down to the final few minutes. Saints fans are crazy if they think they are going to steamroll a grown man team. Whatever let’s get it on and then we will see who gets the last laugh.

by wangstu13 on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s pretty much what I was saying yesterday..Who do these people think they are to show no respect?..That RCA guy is alright and makes some reasonable comments..But others to think they are going to rollover us?..They are nuts!..We don’t talk smack on this site about other teams..I did agree however with Jim regarding big mouth Shockey..but I was embarassed to have him on our team after he tossed that ice into that little kids face..what a classless boob. I hope we blast that bum all day. I don’t want to see him get hurt, just hit all day…that’ll drive him nuts.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as the week wears on

my patience for any sort of chat with opposing fans grows thinner and by gametime i’m in a rage against the entire city, team, and fandom of that week’s opponent. If we beat them it subsides into contempt and scorn, if we lose it’s stored away as a simmering ball of hatred.
There, I said it.
Something just happens to me. Usually during the course of the game I also wish death on the descendants of ther eferees. You have to be pretty tolerant and hard-core to watch with me!

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Saints fans a 4-0 record to start the season

And they think they’re the best ever! Then they have the audacity to question if the Giants are for real? If you give them a little success in the running game, a few sacks, blitzes, a handful of interceptions, then thats their recipe for steamrolling over us. LOL

I was over there and to be honest, i won’t return. After a while you get to the point of reading and it becomes more nonsense then common sense. It’s like, WTF and you leave scratching your head, laughing of course!

by Hootman on Oct 15, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes your right Hoot

I said pretty much the same thing yesterday…and they are trying to get us to join in with them in “Smack talk”..Screw’em..Just hope their team shows up on the field..we’ll see..runover us?..My advice to these cajans is when they go to the grocery store for their tailgate items and the clerk asks: “Paper or Plastic”..They choose paper..they look so cool with those paper bags on their heads!..and I sure wouldn’t want the wearing plastic..that could cause suffication..I want them all alive to dwell on the ass-kicking we are bringing..(Geez, how’s that for smack?)..Oh and another thing..Do these people serve cold beer and hot-dogs?…or if you go to the game you are stuck eating crawfish?

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys are harsh!

I’ve been banned before but I’m a reformed man… we had good chats and the CSC guys were overall decent to me. Can’t complain. They’ve waited a long time to feel they have shot in this league and that’s a good fandom.
Still, underneath the politeness I can tell there’s a bit of seething underneath. Hey, competition breeds contempt. Measure league-wide hate for the Rams in 2000 and compare it to 2009…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol, i'm surprise plastic would be an option, given it's other use!

Then again, it would seem like paper would be in short supply in such an era of depression. Thats odd how one sector of business can flourish under hard times?! lol

by Hootman on Oct 15, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can blast the saints,make fun of my cajun heritage,but.....

don’t talk bad about our food, thems fightin’ words.
really being a NY fan ya’ll can’t understand what a saints fan go through, we don’t get no respect, we could go undefeated and still sit through 15 mins. of NY related news on espn.
it’s no excuse for some of the smackin’,

if you noticed you didn’t see me over there

by r c a on Oct 15, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this on the Saints blog

but New Orleans and New York are easily the two best culinary cities in the country, and there is no number 3. They are so far and away better than everywhere else

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 15, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we know Drew.
He wasn’t cleared to play fully yet, then five days into camp he hurts his groin, then he’s got the sports hernia, ankle injury soon after that. It just never seemed like the guy was able to stay healthy.

That’s kinda why we traded him. Good luck getting 16 games out of your new target there.

by rzor on Oct 15, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Drew left out his BIG whiney mouth..

A key reason we got rid of the bum..When he retires they should put his ass in a museaum so people can go admire all the tattoo art.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

superbowl if .. ???

So after the g-men win the superbowl .. does coach tom retire and bring in Mr. Bill C as coach…?

by freakynjbifemandhubby on Oct 15, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Coach Tom

stays on – this is his team and he will ride it for a couple more years after this season.

by G Fan in England on Oct 15, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think TC

Would retire..coaching is in his blood..He’d coach if he had to crawl to get to the field.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cower? cmonnn

The guy won one super bowl in like 15 years, the same as TC has done here in 1/3 the time

DB

by DukBudr on Oct 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Went to two though.

And basically the team he assembled just won another last year.

I’d take Cowah, he’d be a welcome candidate in my eyes.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 15, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tom

but just think of what a great D minded coach Mr bill C is….with a great D with good depth the G-men have now.. and with J Reese getting the pieces…could be a Dynasty…

plus I hear alot of stories of Coach Toms passion for time with his grand kids

by freakynjbifemandhubby on Oct 15, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cowher the Chin

Seems like a fit. Frankly I am very happy with Ol’ Tom and hope he does stay on for some time. This team has pretty much turned over in his tenure, it’s very much his team. I would think when the Giants get to the point of a rebuilding stage, a guy like Cowher would be available. He coached for great ownership in Pittsburgh and knows the value of that. They were discussing the Hogskins on NFL radio the other day and mentioned to a Skin fan caller that no, you’re not going to get Shanahan (who I’m not big on anyway) or Cowher or Dungy, you’re not going to get that caliber coach because they have both standards and expectations about their role and autonomy within an organization.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing with Shockey is ...

he always seems to get ankle injuries. Don’t know if his ankles can structurally support a tight end build. Won’t get better with age.

As for Hixon replacing Moss on kicks, Amen ! Is there really any use for Moss other than to trade/dump him ?

by Shofner85 on Oct 15, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Moss

could be a ballboy

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's reached the point where we can't trade him.

Who would want him? Maybe as a throw-in for a trade involving others. I’ve got to believe there’ll be trades down the line. We’ve reached the point where we have so much talent, some players will have to go to make room for fresh blood.

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At this point..

The only thing we’d get is his uniform back.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We better get it back, it's an officially licensed NFL jersey.

Do you know what the value of those are? I’m thinking at least a couple Franklin’s and a Grant, i’m sure! lol

by Hootman on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quit dissing Shockey's ability.

We knew what he was when he came to NY – big loud opiniated pasionate and a potentially great player.

None of that has changed. Physically is remains imposing.

But he has demonstrated a tendency to be a baby ( just a FEW sports figures fall into that trap) and the one thing you can criticize is his inability to stay on the field.

But the guy is still a potentially great player in any given game (perhaps not 16) and he just MAY roast the Giant LBs on Sunday.

Giants will try to rush Brees with four and he will create problems. By the time the Giants begin to blitz they may be behind. This will be a nail bitter and one very good team will wind up a loser this Sunday.

Giants 27 Saints 26
Saints may get more FGs but Tynes will hit the winner at the end.

by MSP Giant on Oct 15, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't have me watching Tynes at the end

my heart can’t take it

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MSP..

He will not intimidate our line nor our linebackers nor our secondary..He will be a non-factor in this game..and by the way, he is big but he drops more passes than any tight end in the league, plus he can’t block worth a crap.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No

He can block and lots of people inc TC agree. Besides he is a receiving TE and certainly blocks better than Whitten or Tony G

Just want this board to be more mature

In his first few Pro Bowl years we erected shrines to the guy

Now he sucks.

He is still troubled (his health and his mouth) but when he has it going he is still one of the best.

With Boley hurt there is not an LB on the NYG that can stay with him. Period.

by MSP Giant on Oct 15, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why JS is no longer here

His mouth! Plain and simple. You can’t deny his talents or what he accomplished as a Giant, but he is gone for a reason. This had nothing to do with his talent, the salary cap or anything other than JS, the personality!

I wish i had the means to a breakdown of Eli’s stats when he was forcing the ball to him. I have this feeling, it’s going to favor ill-advised throws leading to picks. Coincidentally, w/o JS at the end the 2007 season including playoffs-present, Eli looks totally different!

by Hootman on Oct 15, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't argue with that

we won a SB and Eli is better – no question

by MSP Giant on Oct 15, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can block--yes

He is a receiving TE who blocks better than Whitten or G—maybe
erected shrines—WOD
Still troubled—you bet
Now he sucks—not so far this year
no Giants LB can stay—We’ll see on Sunday.

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS (as has been said many times on BBV)

Despite his talents, the Giants are better off w/o him and he’s better off with Payton

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

but he is still a player to be reckoned with when he is ON

by MSP Giant on Oct 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MSP..

I don’t like Shockey ever since he hit that little kid in the face with ice..I don’t care how good he was or perhaps is, I don’t want a freaking head case on our team..period…and Since that blowhard whiner is gone and Tiki barber retired Eli has taken over the huddle as it should be..and he doesn’t block, you’ll see come Sunday. In the Super Bowl Kevin Boss came through, and he also blocked..Boss plays football and has no aspirations other than being a good football player..Shockey was up in the box fainting the excuse that he did not want to be a distraction versus down on the field rooting his team on..He was thinking only about himself and his ego..It was and is his problem.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if ya'll have little guys

But if you bring your little guys to a game and they wind up getting a facefull of ice in the face from a jerk player..I don’t think you’d like it..and I would have flat out cut that bum. This game of football is all about team chemistry..not one person..all of them..Jeremy Shockey sucks..and he might be able to block he sure is big enough, but he doesn’t..He wants to be the lone ranger..Well he isn’t..Yeah he had some good seasons with us so did Tiki Barber..What did we win?..nothing..We simply had two good self-centered football players who thought more about themselves than the team. We won nothing with them on board…and you never throw ice at a kid no matter what..that is unprofessional and downright disgusting. I think it was a little kid in Buffalo….The fans were chiding him, this little boy was just watching the game and got whacked in the face..That prick just tossed his cup of ice behind him and hit a little boy in the face. I can’t stand that idiot…and NO fans, if you believe that stuff Brees is saying about Jeremy Shockey not being a pain in the ass anymore your crazy.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never knew

about the kid and the ice – deplorable

but this is about his ability to perform – we all agree he is a head case and a crybaby

by MSP Giant on Oct 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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