New York Giants News and Notes: The Manning Brothers Rule the NFL
by cjmulrain on Oct 14, 2009 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintI wanted to start this week's News and Notes off with a note of my own: the fact that Peyton Manning and Eli Manning are currently ranked first and second in the league in passer rating. Both players are turning in MVP caliber campaigns for undefeated teams. Without doing any research, I feel pretty comfortable saying that this is the best simultaneous performance by a pair of brothers in NFL history, and quite possibly in the history of professional sports.*(a little more on this after the jump)
Eli is easily having the best season of his career, and if anyone doubts that he's one of the top QB's in the league, they're just not paying attention. Eli's got a 10 to 2 TD/INT ratio, which is better than everyone but Kyle Orton and Aaron Rodgers, who each only have 1 pick but also only 7 and 6 TDs respectively. He's just behind Peyton in yards per attempt, bolstered by his league leading 21 completions over 20 yards, not to mention his 5 completions of 40+ yards (tied with Peyton and two others for second in the league). I've heard the argument that Eli's just a "bus driver" for a team with a great defense and run game, but watching the games and looking at the stats both tell a different argument. I'm as big a Phil Simms fan as any blonde haired kid could have ever been, but I feel pretty confident that we're currently watching the greatest QB in Giants history coming into his prime. Enjoy it.
Injuries Not Slowing Down the Giants
Len Pasquerelli of ESPN.com has a nice piece about the level at which the Giants have been playing recently. He believes the Giants are one of the top contenders for Super Bowl XLIV and credits the stability at the top of the organization as one of the key pieces:
In a league where the overall quality is diluted by franchises such as Oakland, and where the fates of some clubs rely on the performance of their most conspicuous players, stability and steadfastness are critical attributes. The Giants have plenty of both. It doesn't hurt that the Mara family name has been on the letterhead since the franchise's inception, or that Coughlin is one of only eight NFL head coaches who had five full seasons or more of continued employment with the same franchise entering this season. The stability of the franchise has engendered an even-keeled culture that doesn't require a roster full of big names to succeed.
I've harped on this before, but living in DC and coming off a week where the Giants played the Raiders, I've seen first hand what a bad ownership situation can do to a team. The Mara's and Tisches are amongst the best in the business, and the fact that you so rarely see their names in the news is proof of that.
David Carr Making the Most of his Opportunities
Joe Laponte of the New York Times catches up with David Carr after his solid performance against the Raiders. I know there were some doubts about Carr during the preseason, but I like what he brings to the table with his ability to make some things happen with his feet as well as his arm. If, God forbid, Eli should be unable to go for a game or two, I have confidence that Carr can keep the Giants competitive.
* I did a very cursory search of famous athlete brothers, and I found 3 cases of brothers finishing in the top 10 of MVP voting in the same year, all in MLB: Felipe and Matty Alou in 1966 (5th and 9th, respectively); the Dean brothers in 1934 (Dizzy won, Paul finished 9th); and the Waner brothers in 1927 (Paul won, Lloyd finished 6th). Dom DiMagio finished in 9th in 1946, which amazingly was the only season Joe DiMaggio missed the top 10 from 1936-1948 (minus the war years). If I missed anyone, let me know in the comments.
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Nice work, CJ
You are exactly right about Eli. As yu said, “if anyone doubts that he’s one of the top QB’s in the league, they’re just not paying attention.” Eli is, without question, in the top tier of NFL quarterbacks.
Eli
Eli clearly pushed himself into the upper tier of QBs after the Super Bowl guys. Since then he has been a dominant force both in stats and in helping his team win. Trust me, from someone who knows, people work long and hard to bash Manning down and make him seem less than what he is. Treat those people like the schmucks they are.
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I had an argument with some class mates who thought romo was better than eli. Granted, that was 3-4 weeks ago and they may think differently now, but one even said that eli was the most overrated quarterback.
But who cares what cowboy fans think?
The fact that these 2 are in the league..
and as good as they are, with teams as good as they are, its a wonder why the league doesn’t go ahead and make the schedules so that teams play each other more than once every 4 years.
Cuz…I really want to see a Colts vs. Giants game right about now. I mean…we may get it, and of course THAT one would be better than any other one…but even you hate the Mannings (which a surprising number of people do…well they’re from Massachusetts..so they don’t really count now do they?) who wouldn’t watch a Sunday night game of possibly the best siblings to play the game?
Oh..and good job CJ. Good to give that workaholic Ed a day off every now and then….
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
I’m still pissed about the last manning vs manning game. We shoulda won that game. Stupid b.s. offensive pass interference on toomer ruined everything
A thousand lips. A thousand tongues. A thousand throats. A thousand lungs. A thousand ways to make it true. I want to do terrible things to you.
by Nine Inch Nails on Oct 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anyone who critizes Peyton and Eli Manning
Are either nuts or on drugs..
Or jealous.
Alot of jealous people out there who wish their QB(s) were as good.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 14, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 to That,
And yea, we’re lookin’ right at you Dallas.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding...
they are just horrible!! Perhaps they miss TO? Perhaps Romo IS overrated (as Tony Dorsett suggests)…all I can say is: HAHAHAHAHA
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 14, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I am of the view
that the reason Eli’s stats are improving is because of the team first WR’s and TE’s we now have on the team.
Think about it – when he started for the Giants he had Shockey, Plax and Toomer as his main three targets and two of them pouted when they did not get the ball etc and the last was nearing the end of his (great) career and was easily covered.
So no wonder his stats took a hit!
Now with Smith, Manninham, Nicks, Boss all seemigly team guys the ball is spread about and no one complains – as a result Eli’s stats have improved.
Does anyone agree?
by G Fan in England on Oct 14, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
Yes I agree
By getting rid of the whiners (one was “self-inflicted”) and Tiki Barber getting lost, it has allowed Eli to be the leader on offense..He doesn’t have to tolerate all the pissing and moaning..He is now the one voice in the huddle which is what a team needs at QB..and he has total control now, which shows in his stats and the overall success on offense.
There's no other way to look at it really.
Tiki leaves, we win the Super Bowl.
Shockey leaves, Eli gets his first Pro Bowl.
Plaxico leaves, MVP? Super Bowl? He’s of to that kind of start anyway…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly Tito...
If the guys we’re fielding stay healthy, and we get the injured players back..Eli is going to have a Treasure chest of talent to lead on offense, and our defense is going to be incredible..It will be a nice run through the second half of the season..and the coaching staff will have the rare luxury of trying to figure out who starts and who sits..Our team is literally one of the most talented we’ve ever had.
No doubt Bobbi.
We’re certainly gonna be set up for an excellent second half if our current roster can stay healthy, and the injured boys come back full force. I really hope our depth on defense is legit this Sunday though…I really can’t stand the lack of respect we’re getting because of our early schedule.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope
TC does not read this because he would blow his top for looking beyond the Saints game!
But yes, the front office have done a great job of putting the team together.
by G Fan in England on Oct 14, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't look beyond this game
You can envision what the future may bring when we get our injured guys back, but you can’t look past any opponent..That would spell LOSS…We can’t afford letdowns..It is one team, one week at a time to prepare for..I do believe that after our bye week we will see alot of our guys back in pads…This game is going to be a huge test/barometer of where we’re at..Let the aint’s do all the smack talk they want..TC will have our guys ready to eat nails.
hey tito
saw you over at Saints blog… I was somewhat shocked to see the main page article was “Are the Giants for real?”
Are the Giants for real? Are you kidding me?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
no injuries!
knock on wood!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps a sideways comparison
but at one time brothers Michael and Ralf Schumacher were simultaneously elite Formula One drivers, for at least one season. Ralf never really fulfilled his promise after a scary crash at Indy, and of course Michael won seven world championships.
driving:
not a sport
(ducks and covers)
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the Williams sisters in Tennis?
They’re pretty dominant.
Also, does everyone believe me now?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
He's obviously more towads the "in"
part now.
I still think its what are his career totals and what he’s done.
This season obviously looks good and those that were firmly in the no part..or better yet, laughed at the general idea…are pretty much idiots.
Its just that he’s entering his prime right now. He has accomplish a lot and I think we’ll learn a lot more about it after just this season.
I know that his brother was a lock at the same age as Eli, but that’s cuz he’s just the GOAT.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think it just comes down to him being healthy.
I mean I think I speak for everyone hear when I say I believe he’ll get us at least one more Super Bowl. He’s been really consistent in winning, crunch time, getting his yards and TDs every year, and over the last year and a quarter he’s been very consistent in improving his play.
I know it seems like it’s early still, and obviously if his career ended today there’s no way, but I truly believe Eli is a Hall of Famer someday.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 15, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Notable brothers
there were a bunch in the NHL (Niedermayer’s, Bure’s, Lindros’, Staal’s, Sutter’s…) but none really got to the level the Mannings are at. In baseball you have guys like (off the top of my head) the Izturis’, the Alomar’s, Alou’s, The Upton’s, the Molina’s… the list goes on. I dont think any pairing has been near this great at the same time though. Of course we are only through 5 games, but if it were to continue it’d be almost impossible to say that they aren’t the greatest brother duo in pro sports ever (at least for 1 season).
did anyone catch
the peyton interview before this sunday night’s colts-titans game? costas asked peyton if he watched eli’s games and peyton replied he used to, but would be jumping around screaming at the TV and screaming at joe buck to stick to play by play.
i got much amusement from that little exchange.
its also interesting that i’ve read in two spots now how down everyone is on david carr, one article suggested signing garcia while one suggested trading for quinn.
link?
On the Quinn article? I;d love to read how they defend that position.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
here's
the article from don banks yesterday where he mentions trading for quinn on the second page http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/10/13/qbs/index.html
the other article was a terrible one by andrew “hack” perloff in his against the grain, where he suggests the giants would be better off with garcia because carr looked terrible against the raiders. i can’t find that link, maybe si.com had good sense to take it down.
I don't know where his logic is...
He goes from knocking Brady Quinn as someone who can’t win a job over Derek Anderson, but yet that is good enough to make him a better option behind Eli than Carr? I mean Carr didn’t look great, but I bet he could start for the Browns.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
tito i clicked that link and i have to say they were alot of people down on eli nicely done where are all the haters now?
I know...
And that was only in July. Imagine if I had posted that prior to the ’08 season…no one would have thought I was anything other than crazy.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The Mannings
Are obviously a tight-knit family..They both are very proud of each other and it shines through when they talk to the press about each other…Remember Peyton up in the box during the Super Bowl rooting for Eli?..He was jumping up and down!!..On the Carr comment, I wouldn’t trade him now..I must confess I did make a comment about trading him to a team if he had a good game to get something decent for him…but I’ve changed my mind..He had a great game, and he most likely wants to miss this dance.
Made the game that much epicer
Loved that addition to panning to peyton
Can’t wait until we beat his team next year, and hopefully twice, if you get what i mean
One of the best
Eli is one of the best Giants QB in a long time. I personally think that when Tiki and Shockey was there, he felt like they were running the show, once they left, he took over and became more comfortable. Since then he has won a championship and continue to look very confident running the offense.
good call
totally forgot about them
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Good call...
They flew under my radar as well.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe cuz they are one person?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 14, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Another comment on Carr
The Giants coaching staff have started to get David Carr his confidence back after being brutalized in Texas..They gave him a chance that he will always be thankful for..I don’t see him in our uniform next year if he keeps his level of play up..At some point I would like to see them bring Bomar up in preparation for what seems like the inevitable exit of Carr to a starter somewhere.
if david is smart
and i believe he is, he’ll wait until he can sign with a solid team with a commitment to protecting him. after the debacle in texas, he’s got to be looking at his next contracts with his long term health as a primary concern.
if he can’t get a starting job on a solid team next year, he’s better off sticking with the giants.
Bomar
should get his chance to compete for the backup job next preseason …
Just wanna say, I’ve been a Carr booster since before this year’s preseason.
And F. the Barber twins, the greatest brothers in the history of sports are… (drumroll)
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
wow, it was up for a second...
Greatest sports brothers:
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
NHL's Richard and Mahovlich Brothers
The NHL had Maurice and Henri Richard and Frank and Peter Mahovlich.
Benwa
You live in DC?
I work in DC and live in MD, so I have the pleasure of listening to ESPN 980 down here. Listening to these DC guys whine about their beloved Redskins has given me a greater appreciation for the NY Giants organiziation. I thank god every day that Dan Snyder and Jim Zorn are not running the Giants.
I love listening to 980
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Not trying to be negative
Eli’s off to a great start and he looks to have taken a step forward from last year. But it’s a long season and he really hasn’t been tested yet. Of the teams we’ve played to date only the Cowboys have anything remotely resembling an adequate NFL team — and they need OT to beat the woeful Chiefs. Let’s see how he does against teams with strong defenses, like the Eagles, and how he performs when the weather conditions turn nastier before we decide how good he is.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 14, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
the weather
is the only thing I’m really concerned about. He’s already had some really good games against really good teams in the past, so I’m pretty confident that he can continue getting it done against those types of teams.
I’m sure he’ll have a bad game or two here and there, even Peyton does (remember his 6 INT game against the Chargers?)
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Also...
Please take into account the Raiders are horrible, but there pass defense is not.
Eli threw more TD’s in less than half a game than Rivers, Orton, and Cassel did in all four quarters.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
great point
and eli really attacked nmandi, shows you how much confidence he has in his receivers down the field.
Absolutely.
And Eli’s not just dinking and dunking down the field anymore.
I’m pretty sure he leads the league in 20+ yard completions. And might only be behind Big Bro and Brees for +40? I gotta look it up.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Confirmed.
Eli leads the league with 20+ yard completions with 21, Peyton has 20.
He’s tied for second behind Tony Romo (or should I say Miles Austin) for 40+ completions with 5 to Romo’s 7. Big Bro, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Shaub also have 5.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate to keep posting on myself...
But those are some pretty impressive stats considering all of the time he’s spent on the bench this year as well.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
True
The Raiders pass defense is good, but their D line and linebackers don’t get much pressure, so it’s still an easy defense to pick apart. All I’m saying is we’ll have a better read on how good Eli is after he plays teams with good secondaries or effective D lines or blitzing schemes. The Eagles games and the Vikings game will probably be the best tests.
There’s a little bit of inflation in Eli’s stats too because he’s had quite a few big plays generated on passes behind the line of scrimmage where the receivers did all the work.
I’m not knocking Eli. He’s looked smart and mature and he’s done exactly what he’s needed to do to exploit the weknesses of the teams he’s played. But the Giants have the toughest schedule in the NFL over these last 11 games, and that’s where the real test will come.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 14, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
find me a QB
who doesn’t have inflated stats b/c his wide receivers made some guys miss, and I’ll agree with you
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Yea.
cough Miles Austin cough
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
How about
Last year’s version of Eli. The Giants got very few YAC last year and I can’t remember any TDs coming on quick tosses to receivers at the line of scrimmage. Two of Eli’s TDs this year are on plays that could just have easily been stopped for 3 yard gains. So last year Eli ended up with a very respectable mid eighties quarterback rating. Lat year he had less than his share of good breaks. So far this year I think he’s been a little luckier than most quarterbacks.
He’s made a lot of nice throws downfield too. And my sense is that he has improved. But he still hasn’t wiped away those last two horrific performances against the Eagles just yet in my book. That’s why I can’t wait for Nov. 1 to get here. If Eli can get me some revenge and help me shut up my Eagles loving friends, then he’ll have my vote as an established, elite QB
by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm down with that philosophy Tucker.
Two of Eli’s 40+ plays have been screens (Nicks, Bradshaw).
I guess I’m just looking at the grand scheme here, and how bad it really could have gotten with the loss of Plaxico. He really hasn’t let what everyone was saying would be a monumental change to his game dictate his play at all, and I think that’s the most important thing to take out of these first five games.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
you really don't think the saints are a real test for eil?
even though we blew out the eagles…..wow
I think he's referring more to the schedule as a whole..
Although this might be are toughest game…it’s not our toughest stretch by a long shot.
We have to play Atlanta, Denver, Dallas, and Philly four weeks in a row. That will be a much more difficult four game stretch than the one just presented to us.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that's true..........
that’s a tuff 4 games.
but we have a pretty good blitz package,and blitz all most as much as the jets. it’s safe to say we will be the most blitz happy team the giants will face all year.
It will be tough blitzing on us..
They’ll need to deal with the best OL in the NFL, then a 270 pound back..Hmmm..then Eli who can slide around in the pocket better than anyone..that sounds like touchdown to me.
I happen to think
Ahmad is better at pass blocking than Jacobs, which is why he’s in on most third downs.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
tough stretch
the Giants have all tough games until possibly games 14-15 (Washington, Carolina) but who knows how those teams will be playing then. In the meantime we play 7 of 8 games against teams vying for a playoff spot, 8 of 8 if Dallas can improve by December, and end the season in Minnesota.
All of this silly Nawlins talk about our schedule won’t mean jack if we come out of that 12-4
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
and
New Orleans right now is playing like the best of the lot. Man, if we can win this one, then we are really looking at a viable shot at hitting the break 9-0 … Arizona I think we can handle as long as Warner doesn’t nuke us, San Diego again we should beat as long as they don’t have any breakout performances. At Philly is a divisional coin flip.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
and
Arizona and San Diego have to fly cross-country west-East for their matchups
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
First it is Eli
Second yes this will be a good game..and you are getting on my nerves..How dare you not feel the same way..What have you guys accomplished????..Don’t come in here on our site and lamblast us..Stick home have some jumbolia and hope for the best.
have you ever been lamblasted?
your nerves are the lest of my concerns, the 16 games that make up this years schedule is the only thing that counts. not preseason, or last years wins.
what have we done ?beat everyone we played so far this season just like ya’ll
i thought you new yorkers had a thick skin,(hey…. i’m posting here!) but really reprint any post i’ve made lambasting the giants, or you personally.
sorry about the midnight cowboy reference,i’m sure ya’ll get it a lot
I think Eli passed his test Tuck
In the Super Bowl..with no more whiners left..He is going to be awesome..and so far has been..You guys have to remember these teams we’ve beat thus far are NFL teams..We can say all we want about them being pitiful, poor coached, whatever..They are talented athletes..and can whoop us on a moments notice if our guys let their guard down..This week we embark on playing some well coached talent from here on out during our road to the tournament, it gets tougher..Eli is a key, our running late season game, and our defense are also key.
+1
Well put.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yea really
when was the last time he’s played a complete game? i didn’t even think of that…not bad for half a day’s work every week.
You're right
He’s putting us some great numbers in limited action. I think we should throw him in the mix for the Heisman.
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