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Is Jeremy Shockey still bitter?

New Orleans Saints tight end Jeremy Shockey (88) is playing against his old team for the first time since being traded before the 2008 season. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

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New Orleans Saints tight end Jeremy Shockey (88) is playing against his old team for the first time since being traded before the 2008 season. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

The biggest storyline going into Sunday's game with the Saints is rightfully that two of the top teams in the NFC, both undefeated, will be facing off with each other for an early upper hand in the race for home field advantage. This has overshadowed the fact that the game will be the first time ex-Giant tight end Jeremy Shockey will play against his old team after a messy breakup before last season.

For those who don't remember, Shockey was a dynamic pass catcher his first few years for the Giants, though his reputation sometimes exceeded his production. He made the Pro Bowl four times in his six years in New York, but he was often hobbled by injuries and sometimes suffered from a case of the dropsies. After breaking his fibula in week 15 of the 2007 season, Shockey missed the Giants run to the Super Bowl, which he watched from a luxury box that he paid for out of pocket. The Giants held onto him through the 2008 draft, but during training camp decided that the situation had become too volatile and dealt him to the Saints for a second and fifth-round draft pick in the 2009 draft (with which they drafted Clint Sintim and Rhett Bomar).

The New Orleans Times-Picayune has an in-depth article about Shockey, detaling his departure from the Giants and his adjustment to playing with the Saints. On his departure from the Giants, Shockey had the following to say:

"I was very close with the owner, " Shockey said. "He passed,  and I was at the funeral. I believe,  and I know in my heart,  if those guys were there some of this stuff would have never happened. And I would probably still be playing there. But everything happens for a reason. It happened,  and I've moved on. I know they've moved on,  and I've moved on,  and I feel great about the situation.

"I thought I had a successful six years there,  and I did some things to help the organization,  marketing-wise  --  I know they made a lot of money off of jersey sales and the things I've done for them. Going to the Pro Bowl four out of six years is a very big accomplishment,  and I was expecting a little more respect than I was receiving."

In Shockey's eyes,  he could do no right when it came to the media in New York,  who chronicled nearly every move of the breakup between Shockey and the organization.

"If you look back at all the articles ever written and all the hoopla and all the media people,  I never really commented, " Shockey said. "They kind of speculated. And that's the thing I didn't like.

"It was all this speculation,  and people were always writing articles about me,  but the guy who the article was about never commented. I just never commented."

I have fond memories of Shockey dating back to his days at the University of Miami. I was ecstatic when the Giants drafted him, and I'll never forget what a force he was that first preseason and during his rookie year. That said, I had grown tired of his act and was glad the Giants traded him after proving they could win without him. I think in the end it's a situation that worked out well for all involved -- Shockey went to a team that utilizes him the way he should be used (Sean Payton was his offensive coordinator during his rookie year, after all), and the Giants got rid of a headcase and haven't really looked back. One thing I am definitely glad about: at least this time Shockey won't be the cause of a Darren Sharper pick-6.

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Correct me if I'm wrong

but didn’t Shockey want out of NY in 2008? If so, where would any animosity come from?

As you said some fond memories do exist, but I like this team a lot better without the diva act.

by BigBlue4Life on Oct 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have fond memories of Shockey dating back to his days at the University of Miami. I was ecstatic when the Giants drafted him, and I’ll never forget what a force he was that first preseason and during his rookie year. That said, I had grown tired of his act and was glad the Giants traded him after proving they could win without him.
^
that sums it up for me….thanks Ed.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Oct 14, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CJ

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction...thank you CJ

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Oct 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Style over substance

I think it’s telling that in regards to Shockey his two most memorable plays that bookend his Giants career were him running over that trashtalking safety in his first preseason game, and the Sharper INT in the low point of the 07 season.
The promise was there but he never lived up to it.
And it may be a total coincidence but the fact remains that Eli’s ascendance to being considered an elite QB started once Shockey was no longer a part of the Giants offence.
In NY Shockey thought he was bigger than the team. He’s learned better in NO. His trade was a net gain for everyone involved

by mcgatman on Oct 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also I find it telling

that Shockey made a point to mention he was close to Well Mara. You remember who else was close to Mara, that was made a big fuss about when Mara passed away? That’s right, Tiki. Not to ever speak ill of Mara, but I think there’s an object lesson in here about the dangers of certain players thinking they have “favored son” status from a well-meaning owner. We know Snyder has his favorites (Portis) and the last I remember no one’s holding up the Skins as the model of a cohesive chemistry.

by mcgatman on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wellington Mara had no favorites

He loved all of his players and coaches.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some guys thought they were favorites.

Both Tiki and Shock are on record as thinking so. That doesn’t mean they were. Turning it around, Well might have thought he was a favorite of Lombardi’s, his classmate at Fordham. Well brought him to the team and he let him go to Green Bay. (George Allen had to sue to get out of Chicago.) Well thought Lombardi would come back when Howell retired. Lombardi said no to Well’s request.

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point blue

Well made a few mistakes as owner, everybody does..and don’t forget a guy named Tom Landry..the absolute most innovative coach ever..You guys might want to kill me for saying this but I put Landry over Lombardi…Lombardi coached with fear, while Landry coached with creativeness (i.e. The “Shotgun”). Lombardi would be screaming and yelling, while Landry was as stoic as one could be..and just calmly talk to his players..What Dallas did to that man was awful in the end..and when I think about us having him as a head coach, I feel we would not have suffered as fans for all the years we did.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And with the Giants, his specialty was D

And he was a player-coach.
And he created the Umbrella.
And he got totally inside Paul Brown’s head (the Genius), knowing what play he’d call before the snap of the ball when the Browns had the best teams in the NFL
And he was a war hero. (like McGovern, he never mentioned it.)
I’ve disliked Jones ever since he did what he did to Landry

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree blue.

His defensive knowledge helped him become an offensive genious..with all the innovations..His calm demeanor in a game would drive you nuts..and yes he was a war hero..Not too many folks know that!..You are giving up our ages buddy!..but I’m sure that experience at war made him the guy he was..nothing fazed him, ever..and when I look at a guy like Rex Ryan..I often wonder why guys like him don’t use that defense talent like Landry did and turned it into:"How can I beat my own defense?..Landry did it..He created so many things on offense to counter a defense..and yes I do not like how the Cowboys treated that man in the end..What an insult to a great football mind.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct.

THe best play he ever made was in preseason. He’s never made one better. And the shame of it is, he could have. If he and Plax had simply bothered to put in the extra work with Eli, I bet they’d both still be wearing Blue, and both have a couple trips to Hawaii under their belts. Stupid and sad. He’ll be a non-factor on Sunday.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Oct 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shockey had "most favored nation" status

with Payton and Fassel. Coughlin came and Wellington wanted the team to get disciplined. Shockey and Strahan and Barber, were used to running things their way and
that was a philosophical mistake by ownership. So in comes Coughlin and the babies begin to whine.

A parent can’t spoil their child for years and years and then try to instill some order when the kid is a spoiled, arrogant, entitled brat. The Giants made Shockey and he didn’t want to get with the new program.

In Shockey’s defense, you can’t attack Shockey and then allow Burress to be late because he’s a nice guy and the playmaker but at least Burress could control himself and not get into shoving matches with the GM.

by Major on Oct 14, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Never was a fan of Shockey

I was glad when they got rid of him. I hated all the histrionics he would go through when the ball wasn’t perfectly thrown to him. Plus I was always leery of players drafted out of Miami because despite their talent they always seem to come with a lot of baggage.

The one thing I hated the most was the fact that he, along with Plax, would disappear in the off season instead of working with Eli to try and improve their teamwork.

I was so pleased when I read that during this off season WRs like Smith and Manningham made it point to seek out Eli and work with him on the passing game.

I said this the day they got rid of him and I’ll say it again: good riddance.

by John W on Oct 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't really a "clutch" player

was he? though my memory may be mistaken, I remember more than one 3rd down drop, it seems like he couldn’t throttle his emotions and focus. He made some great plays that helped us win, but he also dropped a lot of passes that didn’t help us not lose.

This game will be an indicator of whether he’s matured and do what’s needed, or is still dropping those 3rd and 7 passes.

PS – I think Jacobs is going to tap into this frustration the media is going on about and have himself a game.

Conan!, What is good in Football?!

Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.

by The Pale Scot on Oct 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All the things wrong with Shockey

I think I would have had a lot more tolerance for Shockey if he had caught the ball more consistently. He was a drive killer. Seemed like several times a game he’d drop the ball on third down. But maybe there was a psychological aspect to this, because he didn’t do it early in his career and apparently he’s not doing it at NO. And, yeah, a whiner when things didn’t go his way. And, yeah, often injured. And, yeah, a complete ass regarding the SuperBowl. I thought it was completely clear that Boss was superior, simply because Boss caught the ball when it came his way. Always. But now Payton’s got the offense built around him, and we’re gonna have to stop him. Should be interesting. You know he’d love to bust Coughlin’s chops.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the type of game

That I wish Phillips was in on. He would lay the wood and send the Shockman to the bench for the rest of the game and this non story would be done.

by njgiant on Oct 15, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is revisionist history.

I read the article and this is revisionist history at its best. Reese did not spar verbally with Shockey. Shockey was yelling at the GM in a public event. He sold out his coach to the media multiple times but “he was expecting a little more respect than I was receiving.” The guy is the most undiciplined route runner and had a temper tantrum everyting he was missed on a pass play. This a BS fluff piece. For years management did the best they could to keep the guy happy. I’m sorry, I’d rather have a guy that would run through a wall for the team not the other way around.

by Lucky7 on Oct 14, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

seconds

If the preseason trucking and INT are the high and lows, then close seconds to both are the catch over and on top of Dawkins, and the second worst is his premature celebration on one of the Feely misses

by queler on Oct 14, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember that Feely miss.

Shockey was pointing at the camera celebrating. That was Shockey at his dumbest. Been trying to find video of that.

by Lucky7 on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just ask an Eagle fan

trust me they have it bookmarked

by queler on Oct 14, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was funny

and if I remember correctly, he dropped a very important pass in that game also.

by njgiant on Oct 15, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a saints fan point of view......

i really think he’s over it, he has a new team, seems to know his place on it.

 most importantly i don’t think he views this game as a “prove them wrong thing”. if he does,and acts like it on the field the saints will yank him in a heartbeat.

in new orleans he is just another player trying to make a play,hoping drew will throw him a few crumbs. if he approaches the game in this way he’ll do well.

the saints- giants game is about QBs, and linemen, that’s whats gonna decide this game, not the media’s idea of a great story, but can you stop the run and who’s gonna make the least mistakes.

by r c a on Oct 14, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If I were Payton...

I’d be tempted to throw short-middle a lot…but not to Shockey. I’d need someone I could depend on to run precise routes.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Oct 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your absolutely right r c a

That’s what football is all about..It takes the entire team working together on both sides of the ball..There have been very few individuals that could actually singlehandedly takeover the outcome of a game..On our Giants side, obviously LT on defense and Bavaro on offense..Shockey will never be like Bavaro…but your right, bottom-line it takes the whole team to reach the tournament.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hiya Big Blue !!

Yeah, I’m a Saints fan from Ohio. Go figure.

Shockey did indeed come into NOLA with a self-entitled attitude. As the weeks went on last year, it grew intolerable. Drew Brees stepped up and put him in his place while on the sideline during a game. It was made perfectly clear to him just who the Alpha dog is and is going to be. He’s pretty much kept clean since (except for that off season “dehydration” episode in Vegas).

by WhoDat_OH on Oct 14, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a big "A" for Brees

Brees should have done that..that’s what makes that kid a great QB..Leadership and letting everyone in that huddle know it.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you wonder why i defend the man

18 posts and nary a nice word about someone who averaged 61.8 recepts and 704.7 yards to go along with 4 and a half TD’s in a tiki/brandon/plax dominated red zone. And let’s not forget to mention the intangible stat: the 100% he left on the field. There is a lot of ungratefulness in BBV lately, and it saddens me. i will however, on Sunday pay homage to the man like i do every Sunday – lucky number 80 jersey will be displayed proudly.

by wilddre22 on Oct 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhhhh

couple things here. almost every comment about shockey was prefaced by saying something nice about him, like his fire, his passion, his potential…so that doesn’t really make sense.

he did contribute, but i would hardly go as far as saying he left it all out on the field, he ran sloppy routes, and prepared poorly. his offseason conditioning is also highly suspect, refusing to train with the team and struggling with injuries as a result. he was a talent yet, but there was a long stretch of time where i hoped he wouldn’t get thrown to because everytime he made a tough catch he’d come up injured and out for 2 weeks.

by cntrlalt on Oct 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there’s alot of things that you can say about the man that would be true. not leaving it all on the field isn’t one of them.

what is this prepared poorly talk cntrlalt? did he not know his playbook? did he not study film of his opponents with the rest of his offense? there is no evidence to suggest that j.shockey wasn’t ready every week when he put on them shoulder pads. no one has said as much since he’s left. there’s been no leakage of bad habits that shockey possessed, as it leaked out that plax was suspended and fined numerous times after the team had cut him. because that isn’t true, there is no proof to suggest it so.

that man left it all on the field. he was in opposing teams faces when they jumped in one of ours. he ran straight at defenders, wanting to leave them remembering the big blue nightmare that they faced that day. he didn’t go down when his helmet flew off versus the eagles, he kept going, kept fighting, kept clawing, kept dropping his pads and head wishing they would try to tackle him, all to get that first down and move those sticks one more time for us. he played, played through constant pain and played injured. lesser hearted me guys would’ve bowed out of a few more games. there was a P or Q next to his name every week on the injury report, yet outside of 2 years, one in which he broke his fibula, he played 15 of 16 games. each year! it drove me crazy too, i got angry too, but he played more than people like to think.

and the comment on his conditioning is based on no facts. that’s pretty irresponsible to make the jump that because he didn’t train with Eli in the offseason, he wasn’t conditioned and thus injury prone. if that’s the case, what’s the excuse for our current conga line of injured guys who did train in the offseason according to Giants standards?

My goal is not to argue with everyone here about the man. it’s just that the constant bashing of him here has been ridiculous. we did the same thing to Stray when he unretired right after camp, and the same thing to Plax, and the same thing to Tiki. The problem is, Shockey never did anything half as atrocious as any of them. he never shot himself; he never held out; he never wrote a book bad mouthing us although he would have justifiable reasons after having to buy his own ticket to the super bowl and not being allowed down on the field like a leper. his big BIG sins is that he had a big mouth, an occasional case of the drops, and a face that seemingly attracted cameras after every scowl. He said what he thought, and i respect that to the nth degree. he fought for his team every sunday, healthy or hurt. and he played hard on every play, and was considered by many to be equally as good a blocker as he was a pass catcher. he was everything you wanted on the field, and i’m proud to have had him as a Giant, and he is my 3rd favorite Giant of all time next to 2 other outspoken hard playing Giants – Brandon Jacobs….and number 56……so i’ll keep defending him, because as i’ve said before, someone should. he deserves at least one true fan on his side. if he’s earned anything, its my respect.

by wilddre22 on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my reasoning

he ran consistently sloppy routes, which is a product of poor preperation.

his off season conditioning was done on his own, or with other U of Miami players in Miami, he refused to work out with the team in the off season.

true, you cannot say that his training lead to him being injured, but conversely you can’t say that he helped himself at all by training on his own away from the team. if he did train here with the coaches and with eli specifically, it would have shown on the field.

by cntrlalt on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough, already

Didn’t we go through all this once before?
Twice.
Once with Shock.
Once with Plax.
Has anything been said that hasn’t been said before?
They’re gone.
Let’s focus on the team.
The players we have.
The game with NO.

by blue gonz on Oct 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't forget Tiki

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 14, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll bet you 20 bucks

That forever, Tiki wishes he stayed for the chance of a ring…You can be a great athlete and an accomplished one, yet still be a pain in the ass..Michael Strahan, at his post Super Bowl interview said he would have killed himself if he didn’t come back and be part of it…Well he came back and has a ring..Tiki just went off and blasted the organization, did cutsey-pie commercials with Rhonde and lost out on the big one.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody's going to take that bet.

Poor Tiki: All that hard work and planning for a career after football and it seems to be turning into a disaster.

by blue gonz on Oct 15, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and possibly lost out on the Hall

I do believe that if Tiki had come back for another productive year, culminated with a SB ring, he’d be a lock for the Hall. Now he’s on wait and see status.

by njgiant on Oct 15, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barber / Strahan

Tiki’s legacy:

Strahan’s Legacy:

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 15, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 Table Ring.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 15, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you get those wonderful toys?

Simms you can post two pictures to in effect takes me a paragraph!! To state an opinion!!hahaha

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep your right Blue gonz

He’s gone..we play them Sunday..I am glad we got rid of him. I’ll take a guy like Boss anyday..but given that, it doesn’t make much sense to talk about yesterday, when the team is getting ready for a big game against a good New Orleans team this week.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonz

the post was created. and we are commenting. that’s how it works. And the last time i’ve checked, Jeremy Shockey plays for the team we are facing this week. So relevant, this conversation is.

by wilddre22 on Oct 14, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 14, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So be it

Try looking at the archives. Those two guys have been beaten to death. (Sorry, cj, there’s no denying you posted it.)
I admire a Voice Crying in the Wilderness. We had one for Plax, even more emotional than youwild (so far.) He left in a huff. He came back. I hold neither leaving or coming back against him. You and others can continue as you choose, but,trust me, the all this has been hashed out endlessly.
 Come to think of it, it’s inevitable with the ranks of BBVers swelling magnificently.
So have at it.

by blue gonz on Oct 14, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking of that Plax episode

while reading this thread.

Why don’t we leave it as this being a much better situation than that – Shockey is playing football in a place where he feels appreciated, and the Giants are playing better football than they ever did with Shockey. It’s a win-win situation.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 14, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Both sides are better off.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll silence my voice on this matter

For this week…because i know Jeremy’s name will be dragged through the mud further and further as Sunday draws near. But this will come up again, it has no choice – because Shockey will be spat upon again. And as we all know, history is doomed to repeat itself. I wish Shockey well and health, because he put his all into being a G-Man, and all I ask is that other people do the same. That is all…..

CJ, nice! you picked up on my subtle Yoda nod.

by wilddre22 on Oct 14, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just an obsevation but

it seems that we are proving this year that a well rounded receiver corps is more effective in the long run than a single star surrounded by guys who seldom get a clutch throw. If your big receiver has an off day or another team does their job and takes him out of the game, the offense is stymied. With any one of four guys able to step up and have a great game it just seems harder for our opponents to game plan us.

Guys like Shockey and Burris will never care as much about their team as they do their own stats in my opinion. It’s always “all about them.”

by giant fan since 57 on Oct 15, 2009 5:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember that

in 2007, Shockey was dropping a lot of catchable passes (7.1 percent through Nov07). All I know is the Giants started to play a heck of a lot better when he left the lineup in 2007.

by coops2001 on Oct 15, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit...

… I was very suspect when we traded for the Shock-meister. I was thinking, “Uh oh, they just brought a party-head to New Orleans. What can go wrong?” But, I do think now that he’s matured a bit and maybe been humbled by a few things and that’s good. I don’t really think he or the G-men should have any hard feelings toward each other, ya know, cuz when these guys come out of college, they’re still kids in a lot of ways. Some are more mature, some aren’t. Surely, the scouts would have known what kind of character Jeremy was before they drafted him, so if you have any bitterness towards Jeremy, maybe you should share it with them.

If we could just sythesize life in a laboratory, we could prove that the creation of life requires no intelligence.

by Tigernut on Oct 16, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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