Thoughts from the Armchair: 5 down, 14 to go edition
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
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Some thoughts from the armchair: 
- Memo to CBS and the NFL: There are a ton of former NY area residents living in South Florida. Just because the game is a blowout at halftime does not mean we'd rather watch the Steelers and Detroit freaking Lions. Thanks for making me have to dash out to this dive biker bar where I was the only one with a full set of teeth. The NFL owes me $3 for a crappy draft beer served through pipes that I believe were last cleaned during the Ford Administration.
- Like that new armchair? A little classier than the old one. It can be yours for a measly $900 from NFL Shop. In my case, skip the rent payment, get a new recliner.
- Let me get this straight: Ahmad Bradshaw was a SEVENTH round pick?
- Sinorice Moss, I can't believe you still had a uniform in the second half.
- Dan Dierdorf, I thank God everyday that I am not forced to listen to you more than once or twice a year now.
- Can't say I've ever seen a player get screwed by the refs on consecutive plays before, so congrats C.C.!
- Out of all the topics we discuss on this site, I don't think any of them generates more heated discussion than the play-calling. I usually try and stay out of it, because as fans, we never like the play-calling, ever, but this is something the Giants do a lot that I do not understand: on one of the many Giants' touchdown drives, they had a 3rd and 2, and spread the field, with Eli in the shotgun. On that same drive, they had 1st and goal from the 2, and pounded up the middle 4 times, with the final one coming on fourth down touchdown run by Bradshaw. The entire free world and at least three other planets know the Giants are going to run it up the middle, would it have killed them to try something different just once? Nitpicky I know, but its things like this that make me crazy.
More of this nonsense after the jump.....
- I've seen many a bad football team in my day, but that Raider team I saw yesterday may be one of the worst. Very little talent, very little desire. It's a shame really. Love them or hate them, they were once a proud organization that other teams feared. Now they are just a laughingstock, with no end in sight.
- Text message from a friend yesterday during the game: "This is like a practice scrimmage." My reply: "Yeah, against a bunch of blind nuns."
- The Dallas Cowboys scored a touchdown with 2 minutes left in the game yesterday to take the lead over the winless Chiefs, and celebrated like they'd just won the Super Bowl. Congratulations Dallas, you beat a winless team that lost to Oakland. As my good friend Eddie would say, "What courage".
- Coach Spags, you can't say we didn't warn ya.
- My dream finish for Giants-Saints: Game tied at 24, 1 minute to play. Saints are driving; Drew Brees hits Jeremy Shockey over the middle, who is rumbling towards the end zone. He fumbles the ball; Giants recover at their own 1 yard line. On the first play from scrimmage, Eli hits Kevin Boss (who hopefully will be healthy) for a 99 yard TD reception.
- We are almost a third of the way through the season, and I have to admit; now I am worried about Brandon Jacobs.
- The Giants are 5-0, the New York Rangers are off to a 4-1 start, and ummmmm, oh yeah, the Yankees are in the playoffs. Pretty good time to be a NY sports fan, if you ask me.
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ha, shockey
more likely: shockey goes over the middle, catches the ball, gets rocked by AP and is out 2-4 weeks.
sad to see the raiders these days, was it only 8 short years ago when they were the elite of the NFL?
Easy on AP....
I like AP and think he is very important to our team, but he is not a great player any longer. He is frequently out of position due to his abilities being on the decline. He is one of the worst MLBs at covering the seam or flash routes. More likely Shockey gets rocked by Johnson than AP.
there's a reason the Giants elite defense
becomes mediocre when AP is not there.
He’s the 2006-early 2007 Eli Manning of the defense (only of course..he is on the downside of his career, but not shot, no way).
You notice when AP is not on the field. Yea, he shouldn’t cover Westbrook or Jason Witten, but there are 90% of LB’s in the entire NFL that have looked bad covering those guys.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shockey gets rocked by Johnson
It will be because AP put him in position to do it. You don’t have to make 20 tackles a game to be a great LB. AP has one of the best defensive minds in the business. Try looking at the things he does on the field (quarterbacking the D) and not just the stats or AP in coverage.
I just send my wife the link for that chair
just for fun……… maybe she buys it for me or something…
too bad it does not have speakers though
That chair does not look like it sucks
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
On the list of things that suck...
…there is no place for this chair.
well, I look at it as not being for sitting during the game, but for just general TV watching and its overall napability.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
i take out my giants fold up chair every game, i sit in it for about 2 minutes total all game then away in the garage it goes… It’s mostly to hold me steady has i pour beers in my frosty giants mug..
I’ve been hinting at my Girl to get me this chair she was like no it doesn’t match, well now that its BLACK she has no excuse!!! YES!
Nitpicky
It’s not nitpicky. It’s infuriating. Our short yardage and goal line play calling doesn’t work. It needs to change. The score was 0-0 when we TC went for it on 4th down. How about an occasional play action. Having to settle for FGs vs Skins, Cowboys, Bucs etc if one thing. We’re now in the meat of our schedule with the Saints and Eagles upcoming. We need these points on the scoreboard.
I agree about Jacobs. He’s not displaying his usual explosiveness. Bradshaw is so elusive. He makes defenders miss.
Any other week
I would fully agree to go play action near the goal line at least once. And there have been drives in almost every game to bring that point up.
But this game was a lot about protecting Eli. Play action near the goal line includes the option of the QB running it in if all else fails. I know none of us wanted to see him take that risk on a weakened heel.
But what would have been wrong with spreading it out on one of those plays, with Eli out of the shotgun?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Chill, Frank
We did score, and we won 44-7. so, it’s without question nitpicky.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 12, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Shockey
I found this, this morning over on the Saints blog. I knew Shockey would be a sub-plot leading up to this game!
“If you look back at all the articles ever written and all the hoopla and all the media people, I never really commented, " Shockey said. "They kind of speculated. And that’s the thing I didn’t like.
“It was all this speculation, and people were always writing articles about me, but the guy who the article was about never commented. I just never commented.”
I guess if your not going to comment on basis of speculation (or defend yourself), then perhaps what your reading has factual weight? C’mon Shockey, your not a person of so few words!
I’m sure a few here could add a comment or two from the whole story!
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/10/saints_tight_end_jeremy_shocke.html
shockey's the man
i was skeptical when the saints pulled the trigger for a 2nd and a 4th, but to me he really gave the saints a TE threat, it has helped our offense both in the passing and run game,we now run alot of 2 TE sets he blocks well,runs routes well,and is a big plus on the sidelines and locker room. in fact he is the leading receiver on the team this year.that’s saying alot with our wideouts
the LBs will have a tuff time with him next sunday, who is gonna cover him on ya’lls team? it’s a match-up in our favor .
what?
when it comes to shockey, gaint’s fan sound like a guy,who’s super hot girlfreind dumped them for a rockstar. get over it, he has. ya’ll still have boss, he’s the man too.
that's a bit much
giants fans always hold a soft spot for former players, but once shockey left town there hasn’t been a tear shed since.
shockey has all the potential in the world, but i’d be surprised if he makes it through this season completely healthy and dominant.
he's healthy now....
and playing well,i don’t know about dominant, but he does create problems for defenses. most giants fans seem bitter about the “breakup”.
we also have john carney, probably someone ya’ll need more than a TE,but if i mention his name i bet no one replies"here we go"
probably because we like getting field goals from outside the 40 yard line.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Unless your playing the Eagles...
In the Divisional Playoffs. I hate Carney.
I love Shockey though. One of my all-time favorite Giants memories is him going up one on one against Dawkins, coming down with the ball in the end zone and yapping in his face after he caught it.
It was a game winning play in the 4th quarter to get us into the playoffs. I’ll never forget that.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what he brought to the saints
the saints offense needed that in your face edge, with players like colston and moore, they are great players but to polite.
now i can see how that in your face style can work against you if your not winning,but so far so good down here.
even my mom has noticed the diff. especially in the" eagals" game
Absolutely...
When you’re winning, it’s a great fire to have, when you’re losing…someone that competitive just can’t keep it together I guess. I think he learned his lesson in New York though, and he’ll probably be a great team player for you guys.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Shock was always one of my favorite Giants
along with Strahan, TOomer and Tiki.
Unlike the other three, the team got SIGNIFICANTLY better when they were shed of his antics.
Brees is a bit more of a fiery guy who I would think would work better with Shock, so I see that when he’s actually there that he works well with Brees.
Even tho Shock was one of my all time favorites, I can say with confidence there really isn’t a single Giants fan that has cared that he’s gone.
Its actually been more of a good riddance, don’t let the door hit ya on the way out sort of thing.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i think ya'll got better....
when tiki left, it seemed to me(i might be wrong) that he had to get his touches ,it was more about him than the team.
why did he rag eli out in his book?
because by then
tik was more concerned with his tv career and trying to drum up interest from networks as a correspondent.
bingo
he was a great RB, but not a team player,it was about him,not the giants
later in his career
it was, i think tiki saw the coaching change and how the team struggled to adapt and said to himself “i’ve done everything i’ve wanted, this team will be rebuilding for the next couple years…its time to think about life after football”
i can’t really fault him for that logic, he retired on his own terms…it could have been more gracefully done though.
the book....
really pissed me off. being from NO i watched the mannings grow up,we knew both payton and eli were gonna be great players,that’s just the way we raise them down here. when tiki blasted him we took it personal,anyone who knew anything could see it was the scheme not the player. it’s amazing when ya’ll brought in gilbride it was like night and day
And thank you for that...
Eli is a true professional. He absolutely defines team player, and is the epitome of what you want your QB to be off the field. He’s going to be in the Hall of Famer someday and I think it’s safe to say that after that Super Bowl (and that contract) he’ll be a Giant in our hearts forever…but you guys can always say you had him first.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
right on.......
many saints fans were dreaming that one of the two would play here, don’t get me wrong i wouldn’t trade brees for anyone but, you know it would be cool if one of archie’s son would lead us to our first super bowl, it would have been extra special.
Oh absolutely.
You guys love Brees, I’ve actually been a huge fan of him since his Purdue days…but if a Manning made it to New Orleans, there’s no doubt who would be the sentimental favorite that year.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 13, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If anybody hated that fantasy scenario,
it would probably be the Mannings…all of them.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
Not Toomer or Stray...
I really think including Toomer and Stray with Tiki and Shockey is uncalled for. Toomer was a consomate professional on this team for many years, and frankly i can unerstand his parting comments. He did nothing but give himself to this team for 13 years.
missed the point by a country mile
Shock was always one of my favorite Giants along with Strahan, Toomer and Tiki. Unlike the other three, the team got SIGNIFICANTLY better when they were shed of his antics.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Shockey's behavior during SuperBowl
that was the problem for me. Sure it had to be disappointing to get injured during that awesome run, but still… He acted like an ass almost that entire time, including at the game.
I don’t have a grudge against him (except this week!), but he didn’t do anything at all last year. ZERO touchdowns. I’m glad he’s off to a productive start this year. Maybe he’s removed his head from his ass?
by M. on Oct 12, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
the dr's removed it ..........
when they went in to fix his hernia, the reason for his poor play last year.
HAHA
Nice.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Shockey
wasn’t a fit. Personality issues. Losing the Shockey helped us win the Superbowl whil he moped in his margarita. Anyway, if you’re Shockey’s new boyfriend, I hope you 2 are happy together.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I caught a few
message board comments this week from Saints fans saying they think Shockey is annoying. As good as he is or could be, he tends to get under your skin after a while. Just wait till he decides he’s not getting the ball enough or being asked to block more than catch passes. That usually comes after his play drops off and he starts projecting his faults outward. Persecution complex, that dude.
I’m really looking forward to this game with the Saints, though. I love it when the Giants go on the road and just get to working their game in a hostile environment.
Disagree with that r c a
Shockey is a big pain in the arse!!..He is a good football player, but disrupts the whole offense with his whining..I am glad we got rid of him..and another thing, when I watched him throw that cup of ice and hit a little kid in the face with it, he instantly became a “scumbag” forever in my eyes..what a chump, all full of himself..He’s an idiot..Good riddance.
playing in NY is tuff
with the press, the fans, you guys are hard on players.
thats my point of view, but in the big easy JS has been a model citizen,he attended all of the OTAs only missed 3 days of training camp(with permission).
maybe he was a malcontent here in NY, but with drew brees calling the shots in NO he has towed the line,and he knows if he wants to see the ball he better work hard every play,so far he has.
and what about ya’lls front office? maybe they should get some of the blame ?
our front office is perfect
they are towing the line like a toe truck. Shockey turned sour in New York. If you watched the XLII Superbowl, and noticed he was the only sour-faced puss in his luxury box, not to mention the only one not in Giants gear, you’d know that.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
outside point of view
please dont be fooled by the stats (or lack there of) your RBs have produced this season. we (as a saints fan) had something great going in 2006 with mccallister and bush. 2007 and 2008, not so much. duece was injured both seasons and reggie was not the same back.
jacobs is a load to bring down while bradshaw is the speedster who evades tackles. they compliment each other and arent as good without the other. anyone see wards stats this season? not the same without jacobs.
That's more of a function
of offensive line quality, threat of a passing game, and offensive game plan than who the RB on the sideline is.
of course
that factors in but you cant truely believe bradshaw is a better back as a first option?
by sernycrusher on Oct 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't understand
what you’re trying to get at. you’re saying that whoever is running the ball doesn’t matter, by citing ward’s falloff in production? well, then welcome to football 101…if you have a good OLine and balanced team, then no it doesn’t really matter who you stick back there to run.
the broncos of the 90s are a perfect example of that, strong OLine play produced backs that ran all over the field.
it matters to an extent
Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns were all 1,000 yard rushers behind the Broncos O-line, but they weren’t in the same class of runner as Terrell Davis or Clinton Portis, which was why they weren’t running for 1,500 or 2,000 yards
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
im saying
that in my opinion, jacobs running style does more for bradshaw than bradshaws style does for jacobs. not a bad thing, just my opinion
by sernycrusher on Oct 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw is my boy...
but the whole term “first option” with the Giants is purely irrelevant.
They use Jake as the battering ram, Bradshaw simply then gets unleashed and goes off.
People can still keep underestimating Jacobs, or whatever they are doing with him now (loading 9 in the box?), he’s gonna go off soon enough.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ward is a good running back
He has Zero blocking in Tampa..Your absolutely right Jaybat..Tampa can’t block can’t pass and can’t plan for a game..I’d love to have Ward back, but he deserved the pay increase..and our backs aren’t too shabby this year without him..It is a shame he wound up with Tampa, and I’m sure he is very frustrated.
Yeah Ward is taking a pounding..
He’s the same talent but has no holes being opened up. Tampa’s ol is awful.Jacobs will most likely get turned loose this week..The only concern I have with him is he is running too upright..He needs to lower that shoulder and punish tacklers. I think we will see that this week..it is a big game…Eli can’t wait to play in his hometown..The reason him and Peyton are great QBs is because they grew up there watching their Dad play their.
they frequently compliment each other
in post-game interviews
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
understatement
im sure you guys travel well
We did win 3 straight road games before pounding the crap out of Oakland at home.
Looking forward to the matchup in the Big Easy.
Laissez les bon temps roulez!
easy boys, easy
we had the screen pass to bradshaw this sunday, maybe next sunday we’ll get the play action fake inside the 5 and the pass to the always unguarded in that situation tight end. miracles do happen.
btw, my son called me after the screen to bradshaw and said, incredulously, “did we just throw a screen to bradshaw?”
who knows what other plays that have been in every team’s playbook since the 30s gilbride will dial up next?
by nybaseballgiants on Oct 12, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
The Screen
Keep in mind that play would have been blown up if the Raider LBer did not suffer an injury
It sure looked that way,
Then again, it also loopked like B broke his ankles with a juke.
that screen pass to Bradshaw....
is money in the bank.
hopefully we’ll see it again.
may be a smart way to keep NO honest w/ that pass rush….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
BJ Scouting Report
If you click the Brandon Jacobs link in this post, the “scouting report” says he has ‘terrible hands’ and will fumble. Uh, what? Only 10 fumbles in five seasons is good by any standard.
and he had a nice catch yesterday...
and usually shows decent hands when thrown too.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
WOW!!!!!
are you a real live Devils fan…or just a site bot?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me or did a post just vanish...
i think it was a coughlin transcript…
well anyway, my comment was going to be about Moss….how can Coughlin give this guys praise for 3 good returns (with a long of 16 yards) when he’s fumbled a punt and caused a turnover?
I made mention of it the other day….how is this guy even on the team?
he’s a l.i.a. b.i.l.i.t.y. I’m already nervous as hell thinking about what kinda blunders he’s gonna make down in NO….where ever possession is crucial.
At this point i’d put anyone back there but Moss…i know Ware got hurt returning kicks but if he’s healthy why not him? why not Hixon?
we got Tynes under a microscope over here but yet Moss still flies under the radar….
cut this guy lose already and activate Barden!!!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Coughlin's remarks
I have totally come around to TC and must say that the job he has done building the Giants into one of the consistent top teams in NFL is outstanding.
That being said, you can’t help but tease a little at his unbelievably consistent coachspeak. How does he deliver this stuff with a straight face? Since we can’t comment on the TC transcript, here’s a few of his gems:
“We had great respect for Oakland, they have been drafting at the top of the league for a long time.”
Seriously Tom, you have GREAT respect for a team that’s so bad they’ve had a top 10 pick the last 7 years or so?
“Jeremy Shockey is an excellent football player. He was an outstanding player here. When I first came here, I don’t think that the world was aware as they should have been of the quality of the player he was”
Oh yes, poor Jeremy’s problem was that no one was AWARE of him when he played for the Giants. I think he was on the roster two or three years before I heard his name
Sometimes it’s the painfully obivous questions the reporters ask.
“Q. When he left and once Tiki was gone, did Eli have to step forward as a leader?”
“A. There is no question blah blah.”
Whatever TC did say, he MUST have been thinking “Are you kidding me? Those two departures are half the reason we’re where we are at today.”
No hating here just a little fun after a game that was about a complete a demolition as I have witnessed as a fan
All in good
sometimes i wonder
why they bother interviewing coaches and players after games, they always say the same crap.
“we gotta execute, and hopefully we do that, they got a great team there, we got a great team, we gotta do all the right things, hopefully this, hopefully that.”
you're right
and you know what else. Last year this time around everybody (Us) were very high on Spags, thinking a couple of more years from TC and then promote Spags as a Head Coach. Right now I am not so sure. I don’t think I want TC gone, he needs to stay for a while….. and to think that I wanted to guy gone 3 years ago
Boss runs 99 yards for a touchdown?
And there’s not a defensive lineman who can catch him from behind?
by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 12, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions
you dummies missed the joke
it’s the maximum yardage reversal off a Shockey mistake made up by his replacement for the victory.
I laughed, Jim.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Al Davis have a Clue?
Didn’t guys like Jim Otto, Art Shell and Gene Upshaw teach him that a team needs a competent offensive line to be successful?
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Dream finish - Giants Saints
Giants are up by 1.
Saints are on the 1 yard line, 4th down, no timeouts and 1 second left.
Brees drops back and throws to a wide open Shockey who promptly drops it and then throws his hands up in disgust as if it was Brees’ fault. The end.
or laughs
while he looks at his hands. Saw that one a few too many times on the downhill side of his Giants career. As good as he ever was, he could’ve been so much better without the mouth, the open wound ego and the antics.
ill just have to go ahead
And disagree with freebrad and some of my other blue compadres on here who seem to think that NY collectively doesn’t miss number 80. Far from true. Rather, I fantasize about having him on our already stacked O and the nightmares opposing DC would have gameplanning for Jacobs, bradshaw, nicks, smith, Mario AND shockey?!?! Because let’s be honest, I love big bossman, but he’s an afterthought on other teams minds, as well as in gilbrides apparently.
I know what ppl are going to rebutt with, that shockey would have complained about not getting the ball enough, blah blah blah. Fact is, this season and last has proved that not to be the case, as I have not seen or heard any clippings about Mr squeaky wheel shockey.
And also let’s calm down about how bad an influence shock was while here. I watched the same games yall did, and we had way bigger issues than some hands being thrown in the air. Shockey wouldve ran thru brick walls for this team, and at times it seemed he did, and he always stepped up against our division rivals. Ask b dawk and roy Williams how much fun it was to cover that madman.
So yes, he still is missed in new York, if only by me.
by wilddre22 on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the more accurate
rebuttal would be that shockey would be as much of a non factor now as he was when he was here. boss isn’t used by gilbride the same way shockey wasn’t used by gilbride. the giants use a run first, max block scheme…something shockey wasn’t drafted for.
he was being misused here, and that misuse let to the hissy fits. he’s a much better fit in new orleans, but last year you didn’t hear much from him because he was injured. this year he’s been a force, but if that keeps up, i’d be very surprised.
Why would you be surprised of his production continuing this season? Did he not show when he was a giant his talent as a receiver?
Regardless of what gilbrides offense is, there are ways to get talented players the ball. Split him out as a slot receiver, make him some poor corner or safetys problem. That wouldve come in handy early this season when we didn’t know exactly what we had at wideout, to watch opposing D’s double him over the middle and leave manningham open, or smith. Use 2 tight end sets, leave boss in to block, let shockey run a post. Send shock in motion, move him around. Use your imagination, and let your talent shine. That’s what good OC’s do.
by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2009 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well,
winning cures everything. For players like Barber and Shockey to become afterthoughts they had to seriously let some fans down or wear out their patience. The thing is, I think a lot of fans fantasized about Shockey being the threat we all thought he was supposed to be, but at the end of the day it turned out that it was a fantasy and nothing more. I missed him too, but what I missed was the possibilities. Not the reality. I miss Amani Toomer, but the new toys are turning out to be a whole lot speedier and exiting than Toomer might have ever been. Kinda takes away the sting.
I guarantee you Boss is far from an afterthought for opposing coaches when they game plan for the Giants. He’s not there yet but he’s more in the mold of a Bavaro or a Whitten. Just a workman like player who’s solid and consistent and resilient. They have to account for him every time he lines up, whether he’s blocking on the run or hauling one in straight down the middle.
Bruh, teams don’t gameplan for the bossman. Let’s not fool ourselves and let our NY bias blind us. Kevin boss has talent, but not enough of a threat yet to be gameplanned for. And please do not compare him to witten, that’s absurd. I like bossman, but even with that disgusting star on his head, you’ve gotta give witten props as being one of the best. Boss is levels beneath that.
And there is no fantasy involved about what Jeremy shockey did as a giant. When healthy he put up major numbers. How quickly we forget about the fassel era…
by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who has more awesome 40-yard YAC as part of a Superbowl-winning drive?
I know this’ll be a minority opinion, but to me, Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey are bitches because they didn’t bring home the SB. I feel the same way about Nomar Garciaparra. Big numbers, great career, etc… no results. I know it’s a team sport but I’ll always elevate guys who got it done. I value Ahmad Bradshaw more than Tiki Barber. I value Bill Mueller over Nomar Garciaparra.
I liked Shockey’s fire at first, but I disliked him for quite some time before the 2007 season because he was bitchifying and becoming an overall detriment to the team.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
no disrespect man, but...
did you even read what I wrote? As far as Boss is concerned, I said “He’s not there yet but he’s more in the mold of a Bavaro or a Whitten”. Nothing absurd there. I noticed you didn’t even mention the comparison to Bavaro . You got Whitten ahead of him too?
I also said that opposing coaches take Boss into account when they gameplan for the Giants as a team. If you’re telling me they completely overlook Boss then I’d call that observation a little absurd. You’re damn straight they take him into account. They’de be idiots if they didn’t.
I read it blooz
maybe i misunderstood what you was getting at. if so, then pardon.
witten v. bavaro is not a suitable comparison. the only likeness of the two is that they both played the same position. other than that, 2 different animals. witten couldn’t touch what bavaro did great, and bavaro can’t do what witten does now. both great but in different ways. boss is somewhere in the middle, not as great a blocker or as tough as bavaro, not as adept a receiver as witten. fair?
As for gameplanning. well, i think DC’s gameplan for an entire team, so in that way yes Boss is gameplanned for. but so is bo scaife. doesn’t mean he’s a great tight end, or the target of the defense that needs to be stopped, just means he’s one of the starting 11. i think boss has the ability to be a top 10 tight end. but right now he’s not. and as far as giant weapons are concerned, he is option 6. Fair? So how many DC’s do you think are staying up nights trying to figure out how to stop the 6th offensive option on any team? that’s all i’m saying.
I love Boss and think he's a lot
better than a lot of BBVers give him credit for. His full potential as a receiver will never be realized in the current Giants system. He doesn’t care, just plays his heart out on every down.
I love Boss and think he's a lot
better than a lot of BBVers give him credit for. His full potential as a receiver will never be realized in the current Giants system. He doesn’t care, just plays his heart out on every down.
I love Bossman
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 14, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually still like Shockey
But once the mouths and egos got out of the huddle, Eli becaume a much better qb. With Tiki and Shockey gone, Eli became the undisputed leader of the team, and it suited him well. Talent is great, but the results are what matters.
Daveh
You speak on results, but was shockey not involved with any success as a giant? When he played, did they lose? Did he negatively contribute to the won-loss record? Did they only start winning AFTER he got injured in 07? Revisionist history folks.
by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2009 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they only started winning playoff games, yes
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
ask most saints fans......
we love his passion for the game.
now, last year in the second atlanta game, shockey missed a block and caused a sack,he started to act out ,but drew brees grabbed him by the face mask told him to calm down(maybe something a little stronger than that),put him on the bench. now i want to stress it was drew getting in shockeys face,not the other way round
that is the worst thing i’ve seen. other than that it’s been peaches and cream.
and thats the thing RCA
Shockey is not an angel, but he’s not the asshole we make him out to be. And the only time he becomes anything is when he doesn’t win. Shockey just wanted to win, he didn’t care about his stats. When did shock speak out? After losses. And yes he complained about not getting the ball, but that was because he thought he could help his TEAM win.
And what happened with him and Eli would not happen now. Eli was young, and unestablished. His mistakes dictated his game. Now he plays near mistake free ball, and shockey would have no choice but to respect it.
by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
celebrations
What Dallas did after winning that game is an example of the slack attitudes of too many NFL players these days. You see rookies doing dances when they gain a first down in garbage time when their team is losing in a blowout, as if they had just scored the go ahead in the SB. I don’t mind celebrating so long as you earn it. The attitude today is that once you’re in the league you’ve arrived to your own party.
Thank the PTB for guys like Coughlin and Singletary.
and is it just me, or...
does it seem like there’s a league wide plague of poor tackling skills? I mean, just terrible efforts. Almost like someone cloned Dieon Sanders and shipped them out to 75% of the teams. Seen a lot of deliberate misses too, like guys are afraid, defensive guys mind you, of getting hurt if they attempt a tackle.
Granted, I can understand stepping aside with Jacobs barreling down on ya!
I gotta tell you
These referees are getting on my nerves with the crazy calls they are making. Example, I watched Will Allen covering Edwards (who by the had a great game for only being in NY a week). They called Allen for pass interference..He barely touched the guy!!..There were other calls that absolutely made you scratch your head..I know they are a relatively new officiating team, but gee whiz!
how about the pass interference last night in the jets game.. awful.
some jets player dropped a pass diving into the endzone, and they called it pass interference. but he wasnt touched
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
pass interference
ON the End Zone grass. Gets called every time.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
that was more than bad.......
it was a 59 yd penalty, and if you look early on in the play edwards pushed off,so the receiver can use he hands but the defender can’t
i also didn’t like the unnecessary roughness call earlier in the game the defender did not lead with his head.
discrimination
I see you didn’t mention the Knicks: the NBAs equivalent of the Raiders, fortunately I’m a Giants/Yankees fan.
it was cuz Jim is the main man at the Rangers site,
and Ed the same at the Yanks and Gints site.
The Knicks site is good too.
Go sign up, the Knicks are winning 40 games this year. Bandwagon leaves in January. After that, you get pegged with tomatoes.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotham Week
Giants, Rangers—all excellent. But the true joy for real New York sports fans is not just that the Red Sox were eliminated, it is how they were eliminated. To see Papelbom standing there wondering what had happened—2 inherited runs in the 8th, 3 of his own in the 9th. Only the Super Bowl win over the Patriots tops that.
HAHA
I live up here in New England and let me tell you, this past weekend you’d think the world had ended. Sox lost, Brady choked and lost, even their Bruins lost. And about SB 42, Patriots fans still haven’t gotten over it. Some of them still wanna blame the refs or say we cheated. It really is pathetic. They can’t accept the fact that unless Brady can drive 30 yards and let his kicker bail him out in the clutch that he’s not going to win the game when it matters most. They actually believe that Brady is the greatest QB AND football player ever. It’s comical if you ever get a chance to listen to them on WEEI.
by sexyscottish on Oct 13, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way...
Only team in New England that’s gonna win anything is the Celtics. We’re gonna win 70 games and smack the lakers around in the Finals. ;-)
by sexyscottish on Oct 13, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Or...
Garnett will break down as will Ray Ray..and Paul Pierce will start his bitching again.
You’ll make the playoffs tho….just aint going anywhere.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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