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Is Ahmad Bradshaw No. 1?

I talked a little bit about it in this morning's 'Kudos & Wet Willies.' The New York Post brought up the Ahmad Bradshaw-Brandon Jacobs question this morning, as well.

So, I will ask you guys. Does Bradshaw, who has clearly been the more explosive back thus far in 2009, deserve to start carrying a heavier load in the Giants offense? Or, is it fine with Jacobs getting more carries because the limited work keeps Bradshaw fresh?

Here is a snippet from The Post today.

"When you get him out there and you give him the football, he's lightning in a bottle," Giants center Shaun O'Hara said of Bradshaw. "It's a lot of fun to block for him."

Tom Coughlin doesn't care much for labels especially when it comes to designating which of his running backs is THE guy and which one is second fiddle. We've operated under the assumption that Brandon Jacobs is the featured back, with Bradshaw serving as a nice change of pace.

But if anything became clear during the Giants' 44-7 beat-down of the Raiders yesterday, it's that Bradshaw is clearly the best the Giants have to offer at running back

Here are the numbers for each back thus far.


Rushing Receiving
G Rush Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD
2009 - Ahmad Bradshaw 5 58 375 75 6.5 38 2 6 74 14.8 12.3 55 0


Rushing Receiving
G Rush Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD
2009 - Brandon Jacobs 5 100 355 71 3.5 31 1 4 21 4.2 5.3 9 0

It is plain to see that Bradshaw has been better. It is also obvious that Jacobs, for whatever reason, has not been the same guy as he was the past two seasons. So, is it time for Bradshaw to be the guy who gets the majority of the carries?

Poll
Should Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw switch roles, with Bradshaw getting the majority of carries and Jacobs becoming the 'changeup' back?
Yes, Bradshaw has to have the ball more
596 votes
No, too many carries will limit Bradshaw's effectiveness
1080 votes

1676 votes | Poll has closed

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Lets take a step back here

Sure Bradshaw is more explosive but the reason for that is the continued pounding that Jacobs delivers. Bradsaw would not average 6 yard per carry over 25-30 carries.

Jacobs is essential in the success of Bradshaw. Wouldnt you rather see Bradshaw continue to average 6 yards a carry over 12-15 touches then average less than 5 over 20 touches.

by vgeorge19 on Oct 12, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Pay Attention to a Complete Offense

Before we looked at Derick Ward as maybe to better back in 2008. But think without JB wearing down the defense for DW as u can see his output in Tampa Bay has drop to nothing. Now that we have AB filling that empty spot he seems to be the guy to goto, but remember none of this would be possible without #27 JB. So as fans dont ask for more carries for AB just realize that with the success of JB pounding and the passing game of Eli comming on strong not to forget AB, it makes it very hard for teams to defend us because we are no longer just a run first team we are now a COMPLETE OFFENSE.

by dsmoove91 on Oct 13, 2009 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a tough one

but I voted no. I still like the big bull wearing down the defenses and the quick back coming in catching everyone off balance. Also I think that if we over use AB, teams are going to figure him out and start game planning for him. I think that the current formula is working just fine. Bjake will come around.

by njgiant on Oct 12, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

This is sort of a Plaxico Burress situation.

Teams are gameplanning for Jacobs, specifically designing to not let him beat them. However, all that means is that it opens up our passing game and our change of pace on the run to dismantle them. I think Bradshaw should be getting more carries than he is now (11 carries is too few when he could be wreaking real havoc), but Jacobs still needs to be a big part of this offense.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 12, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Me too

More than he’s getting, but not more than BJ. Let’s see how that works before making him #1 and giving him more than BJ. I do think that if we’re going to try to punch it over near the goal line, he’s a better choice. BJ runs too straight up and is too big a target down there.

by blue gonz on Oct 12, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

He didnt need more carries because this was a blowout. If Ahmad put those numbers up every week then were probably looking at a blowout more often then not.

by wangstu13 on Oct 12, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

couldn’t have said it better myself

by hocke26 on Oct 12, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw

I believe I made this comparison during the preseason, but he reminds me of Brian Westbrook – he doesn’t have blinding speed the way someone like Percy Harvin does, but he’s quick as hell and he’s just slippery, for lack of a better word. He’s great between the tackles, and he’s as good a threat catching the ball out of the backfield as anyone the Giants have had this side of Tiki Barber. I’ve loved the way he’s been used, though I think as we get into the meat of the schedule, I wouldn’t mind seeing his carries increased in tough games, especially if Jacobs continues to struggle.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

No Way!!

He’s excelling with the current philosophy. Why change it? It’s just like what happened with Endy Chavez. Everyone wanted him to start even though his skill set didn’t dictate that. Just leave him where it is, how it is. ITS WORKING!

by maculis on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I happen to agree

I just put it out there — and tried not to take a side — to see what BBV Nation thought.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree also

Thats why i voted no. But i wouldn’t mind seeing him getting more touches via the passing game. Not neccessarily screen passes, but designed swing passes to put him out in space. He can already make moves within limited space, and i’m sure on that 55 yard screen play (didn’t see it) he was out in space and made people miss?!

Overall, though Jacobs avg. is lower, the offense as a whole seems to be clicking, no need to change anything at this point!

by Hootman on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

they had him in the backfield

and he made a guy miss. It was a thing of beauty

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+10

My thoughts exactly. I love Bradshaw on the screen.

by wangstu13 on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I sort of agree, sort of don't.

The ends don’t justify the means. If Gilbride calls a screen pass, but we miraculously pull off a first down, it doesn’t mean it makes sense.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 12, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes...

the only plays that make sense are the ones that are a success.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't underestimate BJ's role

Honestly, it’s a perfect pairing the way it is. Don’t discredit the heavy lifting that Jacobs does, it really gets the defense a step slower which I think helps AB get away that much quicker. I love sending the bull out there to set the tone early and close out the game.

by TNYFBG on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Jacobs

has done it over 2+ years.

Bradshaw may yet get there – but not yet.

Jacobs is the primary guy for now.

by MSP Giant on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I rememeber last year...

A lot of people thought we wouldn’t skip a beat in the running game with the loss of BJ because Derrick Ward and Ahmad could make a fine rushing tandem.

And as we well know, that was not the case.

I don’t know what it is about Jacobs, probably the pounding and mental stress he gives to defenses, but he makes the running backs around him better. I love Bradshaw, he runs angry, he holds onto the ball, and he’s just a hell of a lot of fun to watch. But Bradshaw might not be Bradshaw without Jacobs…so lets keep them where they’re at.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, the thing with that was

that we decided that Ward was the one who should be the primary back when Jacobs went down. If we had Bradshaw getting more carries, I guarantee we would have done better.
Obviously not as good as with Jacobs, though.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 12, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good point.

Hopefully we don’t have to see anything like that this year.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

I’m taking the same stance as vgeorge. He hit it right on the money I don’t think Bradshaw is as successful if teams aren’t warn down from Jacobs. Yea yea the Raiders are bad so Bradshaw was able to come in and immediately be successfully but I really do think you need to pound a defense first and then when they are tired hit them with Bradshaw.

Bradshaw can do more with less carries and it should stay that way. Jacobs is fine. A true workhorse. Nothing needs to change.

by JRSu1 on Oct 12, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Role Reversal

I think that Ahmad is doing great, he should get more carries, but not so many that the roles are reversed. I think that Brandon is a Big Bruising back, and that he wears down the defenses to allow Ahmad to utilize his explosiveness. They are both doing a great job. The reason that Ward last year and Bradshaw does so well is because Jacobs wears down the defenses. Not withstanding, I think that Bradshaw and Ward are tremendously talented in their own right. Too bad, Ward got stuck with the hapless Bucs.

by corpusgiantfan on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

A few more carries...

but I wouldn’t say we switch their roles. Bradshaw is a mini-Jacobs. He runs almost exactly the same way, except he’s lower (because he’s smaller,) and he’s just a hair faster. But you can’t switch the roles for two reasons:

1) Jacobs gets better the more you use him
2) The reason Jacobs isn’t having tons of success is – as usual – Gilbride. On a second-and-short, what will the Giants do?

     A) Run Jacobs up the middle
     B) Run Jacobs up the middle
     C) Run Jacobs up the middle
     D) All of the above?

Even the Raiders can defend that. Still, I’ve been a Bradshaw fan since his first game – where he ran so hard the “ny” peeled off his helmet – and I hope he gets a few more touches.

P.S. Hakeem Nicks. Hakeem. Freaking. Nicks.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Oct 12, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you really going to fault Gilbride for a running game that gained 220 yds Sunday?

The Giants offense is rolling but I don’t see any love for Gilbride just wait until the team loses and I bet you Gilbride gets buried. Most of the Giants run plays require the RB to read his blocks so he doesn’t just run up the middle. Bradshaw doesn’t hit the right gap sometimes but he has freakish cut back ability that allows him to make people miss.

BTW if you have 2nd and short with our O-line and the 265lb Jacobs he should be able to trip forward and fall and still get two yards. Now I know your going to say “Gilbride is so predictable” but Montana to Rice on a slant route was predictable too now wasn’t it?

Jacobs is in a slump but he’ll be fine. If not, then Bradshaw looks to be ready to handle more carries.

by Major on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

The moment you stop running Jacobs up the middle on 2nd and short is the moment you lose the surprise play action you’ll need later in the season. Plus you’re going away from a play that should work every time.

The running game plan is exactly as it should be. If you start and feature AB the opponent game plans for him and stacks the box when BJ comes in. As it is now you’re either forcing teams to game plan for BJ all the way or somehow scheme for 2 backs, which is suicide since both can go up the middle, outside, and catch passes, and then you’re not focusing on Eli and he throws for 478 yards…in the first half.

by Jaybat on Oct 12, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

100%

Think about how defenses get amped up and talk so much trash about hitting Brandon Jacobs. They never talk about TACKLING him they want to bash his skull in before he trucks them sportscenter top ten style. Then you send in Bradshaw and he just cuts up defenses that has practiced all week to over pursue Jacobs only to get a fast little bastard they can’t touch.

by Major on Oct 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1000000000000

I get tired of the killing of KG when the Giants just put up 44 points! How much more do you want? Every play call won’t be perfect. Fact is, Raiders are weak and maybe the Giants are pounding the middle simply to prove the point to themselves that they can. Gilbride and Coughlin have done this before, and they know what they are doing.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 12, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely Agree

Anyone complaining about posting a pasting on a team we should beat hasn’t watch the ’ol days when they would collapse against weaker teams.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 13, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta credit Gilbride

for the opening drive with lots of play action and other passes. Oakland was completely unprepared for our game plan.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000000

He’s done a fantastic job so far

by Major on Oct 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!!

A compliment for Gilbride! You’d better duck now. By the way you are 100% right.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

They’re gonna get me when we lose.

by Major on Oct 12, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dr. Seuss

could make the gameplan and Oakland would still be unprepared. Where is Jim Plunkett when you really need him?

by njgiant on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw

There is no doudt in my mind that Bradshaw has WAY more potential than Jacobs, and honestly I think Bradshaw is the better of the two.

But no I wouldn’t switch their roles, thats doing to much, and could mess up the hole chemistry of the team.

What the Giants need to do is give the guy more carrys for their own sake. Lets just get this straight, I think this guy has potential to be great given the chance. Im sick of all you saying he’d would be nowhere without Jacobs pounding the ball first. Okay tell me where the hell all that was in the 07 postseason when he led the league in yards? Jacobs was damn near invisible in the 07 postseason, minus a few goaline TDs and highlight reel truck sticks for 2 yards.

Saying that is like taking a shot at him in my opinion, how can you say that when the guy has never been given the chance to carry the ball 20+ times a game, saying he can’t is making an assumption.

That being said, If Bradshaw doesn’t get enough carries soon, I can guarentee you he won’t be hear next season. He could start for many teams in the NFL and if not start could have alot more carries than he gets in New York. I know you guys and the Giants organization like the fact that they seem to be able to replace ANYBODY on the team and still succeed, but losing Bradshaw will be a tough blow. You don’t let talent like that get away from you, especially when the guy doesn’t cause problems for the team and is nothing but a team player. And you don’t let talent like that go to waste…

Give the guy more carries

by JerellB on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Tiki had to....

Ahmad doesn’t.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah for a while there he did

Once Way went down, but when BJ came along, he could have been used a lot more than he was. I think Tiki would agree. His complaint re TC was that he gave him too many touches.

by blue gonz on Oct 12, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki didn't get hit as much

Bradshaw initiates a lot of contact and bangs for the extra yard. Tiki put up his numbers by avoiding getting hit. He would never end a run the way Bradshaw did yesterday, just flattening the defensive back that was in front of him.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Oct 12, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Tiki was obviously a great running back..

But he would scoot out of bounds at the first sign of trouble.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 13, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting 10-15 carries

is so much different than 20-30 carries. I like the change of pace aspect myself, I think they should keep his running touches right where they are. I would love to see him get more catches though, both the screens (everyone knows I love those) and maybe some out and ups against a LB (like the pattern Westbrook ran against Pierce last year). Speaking of the screen, AB’s speed and elusiveness took it far, but did anyone else catch the block O’Hara through which took out THREE Raiders? Watch the highlight, it’s a thing of beauty.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009101105/2009/REG5/raiders@giants#tab:watch

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

*threw. Not through. And I'm a teacher. Yeesh.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

use bradshaw more save jacobs

I wouldnt say a lot more, but I feel having Jacobs in great shape second half of the season is a must. I think Bradshaw can do more with less room, it seems jacobs is getting that much speed hitting the line. I think having jacobs catch the ball out of the backfield more would be a good idea. Give him some space and watch him start running over DBs and LB’s.

oops I crapped my pants!

by TheWenz on Oct 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Why fix it if it ain't broke?

I say they should continue what they’re doing until the situation calls for a change

by John W on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

I cant wait for sunday to beat up on a real team

oops I crapped my pants!

by TheWenz on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What ever happened

The Giants stating that they would just “Ride the Hot Hand”

Bradshaw has obviously been “The Hot Hand” and the guy isn’t getting his touches.

If he is playing better than Jacobs in a game, I expect him to have more carries than Jacobs in the end of the game. Its only fair is it not?

As far as “why fix it if it ain’t broke?”

because if it doesn’t reciever regular maintance, you might come to find out that it is indeed broken…

by JerellB on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

goal line

Well I am starting to think Gilbride might have figured out that the jacobs goal line isnt working! If they would have given it to jacobs on 4th down i would have flipped out.

oops I crapped my pants!

by TheWenz on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember

that Bradshaw is playing on a bad wheel. Part of the limited workload, you have to think, is to make sure they have him all year.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, if that's the reason.

I would like to see him get more carries. Even 3-4 more per game would satisfy me. We better hope Ware can help when BJ goes down. Based on his history, it seems like a lock, though I wish it wasn’t.

by blue gonz on Oct 12, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that as much as

Jacobs missing a few games is gonna be a lock….

I also think that Danny Ware coming in and playing Ward’esque in his absence is also a lock.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

..of the century...

of the week.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like what i've seen of Ware.

If BJ goes down and Ware’s ready you think he’ll be #1 and Bradshaw will get the # of touches he’s getting now?

by blue gonz on Oct 12, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

depends on their confidence in him.

We all knew that D-Ward was good when subbing in for Jacobs in 2007, but in 2008 when Jake went down, I thought Bradshaw showed enough to get those carries, but TC went with Ward.

This year, I really don’t know how they could make Ware get Jacobs 20+ carries he’s been getting (a lot for Jacobs isn’t it?) and leave Bradshaw where he’s at.

But I think Ware is capable of at least getting equal carries with AB, like 15 carries each, 20 touches apiece, or something like that.

We’ll see. Like with anything on this team, TC’s confidence in them will tell.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right about confidence being the key.

Tom’s hard to please. My sense is that he’s not overflowing with confidence re Ware. I also believe Ware had the ability to gain that confidence.

by blue gonz on Oct 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

And how about Bradshaws varation of the touchdown spike. I hope to see that for years to come

by JerellB on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I think of Bradshaw's success

in relation to what happens on the collegiate level. When a good team plays a bad team, one of the major differences between the two is usually playing speed. One team will just look much faster than the other on the field, and it’s not all based on 40 time. With Bradshaw that difference seems magnified. Once you step up in competition, that advantage goes away and it comes down to things like little fundamentals and will power.

by rzor on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Again

If this was indeed true please explain the 07 postseason.

Bradshaw avg 4.3 yards and led the leage in rushing yards in postseason against the LEAGUES top defenses

by JerellB on Oct 12, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't explain away

the 2007 playoff run, but here’s a few stats to look at closer. First, it’s easier to lead the playoffs in rushing when you get to play one extra game than every team save for one. Here’s that playoff run though:

vs. Tampa – 17 carries for 66 yards = 3.8 average
vs. Dallas – 6 carries for 34 yards = 5.6 average
vs. Green Bay – 16 carries for 63 yards = 3.9 average
vs. New England – 9 carries for 45 yards = 5 average

You’ll notice in the games where his carries went up, his average took a dive. The only game where he had the impressive 5.6 average per carry was when he was limited to 6 carries. This actually seems to support the theory that against top flight teams, you’re better off limiting his carries.

by rzor on Oct 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats the standard deviation? meaning, Bradshaw’s average is up with big plays thrown in there. Jacobs however is always good for 3-5 yards. Building a team, I would rather have the consistent guy.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Raiduhs

Have tons of speed. These are NFL caliber players. The coaching and organization just plain suck right now. When players are out of position, the difference between good and bad coaching, you look lost confused and slow.

by wangstu13 on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That why I made sure to say

playing speed, versus your 40 time. As you said, when a player doesn’t know what he’s supposed to be doing, he will play much slower than his actual speed should be.

by rzor on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You actually want a player to mentally slow the game down..

Not their speed just mentally see the game slow down for them..That is when they show their true talent.

by Bobbiblue on Oct 13, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have elite athletes on their team....

but they have horrible coaching.

Also, those athletes they get fall in the draft cuz they are found to be the type that need more coaching than others.

So bad coaching + players that need to learn a whole lot more than even the average rook is why you have the Raiders being what they are.

We forget why the Raiders were so good a few years back, cuz Jon Gruden is a hell of coach.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with the majority

It ain’t broke. Don’t fix it. We’re all happy with the running game. Keep working the Jake, he’s our workhorse and it takes time for a locomotive to get to full speed. The other thing that’s not getting mentioned is, maybe it’s not time to see if we can Peter Principle Bradshaw right now?

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Bradshaw in the passing game

I would like to see more of this but there are only so many touches we have to give out. I like them spreading the ball around on offense. Nicks got a TD so did Mario. Darcy made a few plays as did Swiss. Keeping the opposition on there heels and not know where we are going to hit them next is key. Come to think of it I voted on getting him a few more touches but we are so damn effective right now that we should just keep on doing what we been doing.

by wangstu13 on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yall crazy

Bradshaw should be #1 and get the most carries split it 20-25 bradshaw to 15 jacobs… it will be this way in some games just wait and see.. hopefully the saints game so we can whoooop them

by gobs56 on Oct 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

Bradshaw has been getting a few less carries, which means he should be a little more rested than the players who on defense just had to stop the bull 3-4 times on a drive. Speed Kills.

by wangstu13 on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it aint broke

Bradshaw is great a change of pace back, why change that.
if he can continue puttling up these numbers as the second back why would you change that.
Brandon should be fine, i think this year he isnt looking for contact as in pervious years.
But he still puts fear in opposing defenses so he is the best starter for the GMEN!

by DSUPERFAN on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

This is just the media fishing for a controversy

Eli just played well with his heel injury, making that less of a story. The Giants have no controversies for the media to talk about. The Jets lost to the Saints and Sanchez looked terrible in the game. The Giants are the only undefeated team in the city and the media has to write about them. So we get George King of the Post who decides to make the statement that Bradshaw’s time has come.

Don’t fall into the trap Gmen fans! This is a great topic for the fans to debate over but the media should never suggest who should start on an NFL team.

by Major on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Its just the media trying to make something out of nothing, BJ and Bradshaw are like brothers not need for controversies.

But I still stand by what I said, Jacobs can start all he wants.

As long as Bradshaw gets his touches “fairly” im all for it, but I dont want to see Jacobs avg 2.2 yards carring the ball 20+ times, and Bradshaw avg 4.5 yards carring the ball 10 times

It just isn’t right, not for the game and not for the players

by JerellB on Oct 12, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember the Steelers???

They had both Willie Parker and The Bus and knew how to utilize both of them to best fit their system. For them, Parker was the main guy and Bettis came in for the tough/goal line yards. For us it’s reversed with Jacobs being the main guy who breaks the defenses down for Bradshaw to come in and do what he does. It’s a great problem to have and I think it should stay as is.

by sexyscottish on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Every week, it's another soap opera.

This week, it will be Bradshaw vs. Jacobs. Pro football is such a soap opera. Personally, I hope the Giants don’t change anything. It’s not about that. They need to start out pounding with Jacobs and change pace with Bradshaw, then perhaps even go back to Jacobs later in games to really wear defenses down.. It may not be as effective as we would like now, but it will be if they keep it up. Especially when it gets cold. If something is working, why change it? If the issue is BJ not hitting holes hard enough, work on that. If you give much more to Bradshaw, he will wear down or get hurt worse than he already is.

by MJ20 on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I still have faith....

    I voted no, though I wouldn’t mind seeing Bradshaw have a few more touches either via carry or pass receiving. First, Jacobs, while not having a vintage JACOBS season thusfar, hasn’t been playing badly, and by being JACOBS in the past, he’s forced defenses to make him a focal point of their efforts. Secondly, the team is doing fine, much better than I’d have expected, offensively with a balance of running and passing and a balance of ball carrying and receiving. And lastly, I still have faith in the coaching staff to make ingame adjustments to utilize whomever they feel will have the best chance of success. The coaching staff hasn’t exactly been outsmarted this season.

by Cranky50 on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i abstained

bc i would do something between the two options. BJ seems to be a big reason AB is as successful as he is, but i also wouldn’t mind AB getting more carries (like 15). 15 for each seems right.

i also like what Gartrell has shown, and he looks to be a solid RB. another good pickup by JR. (amazing how a practice squad player like GJ (and a 7th rder like AB) can be better than some of our 1st rd. RBs of yore like Wheatley and Dayne.)

by Travis G on Oct 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

perhaps GJ

should be the goalline RB. BJ isn’t getting it done for whatever reason, you might want to save AB’s body, so GJ would make sense, especially given his apparent hard, agile running style that combines both BJ and AB.

by Travis G on Oct 12, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

jacobs

since jacobs signed the new four year contract, the weight of the money has slowed him down. seriously,the quickness he did have has disappeared, even cornerbacks can take him down one on one. i’ve rarely seen any athletes skills deminish so suddenly. i was hoping there was something wrong with him that would justify this sudden lack of production but nothing has come to light..he said he loves contact. maybe the giants should consider converting him into a middle linebacker…

by druze control on Oct 12, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't have much doubt

that Bradshaw can be putting up 150yards a game if he’s getting 20 carries…but why?

He actually has a more physically tolling style than Jacobs, or at least equal.

I have no problem with Jacobs being the battering ram (Earth) and Bradshaw running right through everyone (Wind).

They will not change it and I’m just fine with it.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

AB and BJ get different play calls

By design, BJ is made to run up the middle more often than AB. It works, let’s not mess with it.

by TomDig on Oct 12, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Danny Ware

You guys seem to forget he might be getting a few touches here soon as well.

by wangstu13 on Oct 12, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Danny Ware...

is gonna take passing plays away from Eli, or maybe a few passing plays will be screens to him.

Ware is gonna be good for the Giants this year. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because you think you might have something better.

You proceed cautiously, one step at a time if you think you might have something better. You don’t change overnight Certainly, trying to give Bradshaw a few more touches/game wouldn’t radically change BJ’s role. See how it goes, then proceed (or revert) from there. I don’t think the majority of BBVers wants Bradshaw to assume the role Tiki had, or even to be #1 at this point, but he has earned a few more touches/game.

by blue gonz on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

lightening vs. thunder

I would keep what is working and depending on the situation switch off. But the real question is how to get Jacobs to be more like he was in the past two years. That answer would make the giants rushing all the more powerful. Frankly, I do like Bradshaw and always did even from his college days. As they say, you cannot teach speed!!! Yet, if (hopefully when) Jabcobs gets back to norm, Jacobs will wear down the opponents and Bradshaw will be that more effective. Regardless, it’s nice to have both on our team!!!

by df5442 on Oct 13, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

This week will be our first big test

New Orleans will be the first team we’ve played that will determine any re-arrangements in the line-up..

by Bobbiblue on Oct 13, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

BTW

Let’s not get into this Bradshaw vs. Jacobs debate. It’s not relevant. The bigger issue is the balance needed to beat the Saints nexrt Sunday. I am so happy the receivers are doing fine this year and Eli seems to be clicking. I do worry more about the run defense that can open the passing game for Breese. I leave it to the coaches to come up with a good game plan and the motivation of the players to stymie the NO offense

Here;s to #6

by df5442 on Oct 13, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Why....

…do we constantly have to try to change situations that work and are productive. Let’s not try to reinvent the wheel here. We have been very successful with the current situation, let’s not screw it up.

by Nevets on Oct 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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