Giants 44, Raiders 7: The beatings continue
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2009 4:45 PM EDT
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PrintAnother Sunday. Another glorified scrimmage for our 5-0 New York Giants. Monday's 'Kudos & Wet Willies' shouldn't be all that difficult.
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did they give back 3 points
on account of some mercy rule i wasnt aware of?
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
Ehh. . .
Should of been 51-0 but I’ll gladly take it with open arms.
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
off topic
but as i watch the pats and broncos game with the boston throwbacks, it makes me really hate the giant’s grey pants.
please, bring back the white pants with red and blue stripes.
the broncos' unis are the ugliest. . . .
by NYer in a strange land on Oct 11, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
they are
but at least the broncs can use the excuse that they’re throwbacks. i really didn’t like the giants changing back to the old time duds, but they could ditch the grey pants and make them worlds better.
blue jersey, white pants, blue socks and the 80’s style GIANTS logo on the helmet instead of lowercase ny.
I love the grey pants
I just wish there was a touch more red on the jersey. Maybe outline the numbers. And the NY on the helmet could be outlined in red too.
what is this
queer eye for the Giants guy?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be really pissed at the refs again
for the quick whistle…that wasn’t a quick whistle cuz on the replays you could only hear it when CC had the ball….but then again, this was never a game.
Jamarcus Russel sucks. He has no pocket prescence whatsoever, and when he does have time, he just throws a McNabb in the dirt (best way to compare it…Russel will never hold a candle to McNabb).
Now we can really look ahead to the Saints game. Should be a battle.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
Yeah that was a touchdown
that whistle was way late..
Russell has no business
being under center. This guy shouldn’t even be on a practice squad. He is a total disaster.
I can't believe I'm saying it after a 44-7 beatdown
but those refs were terrible.
Despite the score, they earned their terribleness.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
the score doesn't mitigate
the refs failing to do their jobs. i think all too often these calls don’t get criticized unless they have a significant bearing on the outcome of the game.
it still doesn’t excuse it though. we’re almost a decade into instant replay, every fan at home has an HD view of the field, hell the fans in the stadium have an HD view of the play on some of these monitors. its inexcusable that refs keep blowing important calls like this.
Wow
How good will this team be when it gets healthy?
by potroast on Oct 11, 2009 5:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kudos
don’t forget to mention Goff and his special teams play.
This.
The first time I’ve seen Goff be such a big part of anything.
Last week Kehl, this week Goff. So…hopefully that means Goff isn’t gonna be out for a month with a broken tailbone.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
it should.
Although if anything they’ve shown that like DeOssie, they are very good ST players.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Goff and Kehl where both late round picks last year and seem to be coming along nicely. Let’s take into account the teams they excelled against as well but these types of picks have developed well for Reese. Given his track record I take the improved ST play from these guys as a positive sign that I can sit back, smile and reiterate “In Jerry we trust.”
- Side note, I love the father-son Super Bowl ring legacy with the DeOssie’s. How often has that happened for the same team?
by GullySully77 on Oct 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i was at the game
left after the 3rd quarter. absolute massacre, so much fun.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Oct 11, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
I missed the whole game
Eff’ing BS! Stupid Bills (ooooo, must be a CBS area thing, friggin morons) and the AM station i had half-ass reception to, crapped out.
But thanks for those that were on the thread earlier, tid bits here and there!
At least we won!
Kudos
Can we get a kudos for Shane Lechler? Hes blatantly the best player on that team.
Giants won, both Boston teams lost, now hopefully the Yankees can pull out the brooms for the Twins today!
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
Ahh yes 3 zip, wonderful.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 11, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone believe this crap?
Eli Manning might have been inconsistent when he was younger, but the perception of him early on is hilariously distorted.
The man has been winning games since he came in the league. Obviously he’s great right now and much better, but Eli was NEVER as bad as Russell, even when Russel put it together for a game he was never as good as Eli when he first started out.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
It’s Raiders fans, don’t worry about it. ;) Silver & Black Pride actually predicted a 23-10 win for the Raidas.
they were only 50 points off
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli has clearly reached the "elite" plateau ...
Not only with the quality of the down field throws, overall accuracy of ball placement, etc., but he is mentally far ahead of most QB’s < 30. His consistency this year has been the real hallmark of his progression. Good times ahead.
I was commenting with a Patriots fan today about how Tom Brady hasn’t been Tom F*#kin’ Brady this year, but I think it’s time we acknowledged that Eli has become Eli F*#kin’ Manning, and not just Peyton’s little bro.
As for the retro uni’s comment earlier in this thread, how great would it be to have a Giants/Ravens SB rematch (to exorcise that demon), but have the league insist on throwbacks for the AFL 50th, and the Ravens have to take the field as … the Browns ??
Yeah, how dare they
try to find some type of silver lining for their team’s QB situation. Eli was just one of three QBs they were comparing Russell with, they weren’t saying he’d definitely be the next Eli, or be anywhere near as great as Eli currently is. Lay off the Raiders already. The Giants still won, and all is well.
"We're Rock Stars... We're Lakers."
-- Lamar Odom
"We had the skull-and-crossbones on our helmets, the black jerseys, and the whole bit... and we lived it."
-- George "The HitMan" Atkinson
"WE STOMPED YOU OUT!"
-- Michael Strahan
by 5_Giant_Raider_Clipper_Laker_13 on Oct 11, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't so much a knock on the Raiders...
as just annoyance of the perception of Eli early on.
Russell loses games, Eli has won games since the start.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
"Eli has won games since the start."
I challenge that assertion. Eli started out 0-6 and then needed a big comeback to win against the Cowboys in Week 17. He was absolutely awful in all but two of those games, and in fact had one of the lowest QB ratings in league history. It’s easy to forget b/c of how good he’s gotten, but there were a lot of question marks about Eli from that rookie season, some that have lingered way, way too long.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
yea
i’m one of those people that hated the eli trade at first and it took me a long time to warm up to eli. i thought it was silly to trade for a QB that year because the next draft was full of QBs. i wanted robert gallery in that draft.
in hindsight it was clearly a trade that worked out for the best, but those first couple of years it was iffy. i mean there was a reason kurt warner was starting over eli, after all.
makes you wonder though, how would gallery’s career had turned out if he had come to new york and been surrounded with such good coaching and a quality line around him?
+1
I felt the same way. The Giants weakness then was the O line. I wanted to improve that and go with Collins. I was glad they replaced Warner with Eli because Warner could have been killed back there the way he stands in looking to make the play until the last minute (he’s certainly one of the guttiest QBs ever, along with Joe Kapp.) Eli was terrible, but putting him in there turned out well: he didn’t get hurt and he gained invaluable experience. WOD, he’s among the top half-dozen best in the league right now, maybe higher depending how the rest of the year goes. One of the biggest stories re this team is how it built probably the best O line in the league w/o using high draft picks
That was his first year...
a bit longer (7 vs. 4 games) that Russell’s rook year..
But looking at last year, Russell’s first full year..and Eli’s first full year in 2005…..
No. No way is Russell even looking at an Eli Manning like career path.
We all know how inconsistent Eli was. But it was bad mixed with incredible, while Russsel’s inconsistency is awful mixed with above average (tho basically one game where he was above average this year…)
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
not saying JaMarcus is ever gonna be close to Eli, but Eli wasn’t exactly Ben Roethlisberger when it comes to winning early. It took until his 2nd year (which is still pretty darn good). It definitely helped having Tiki Barber, too.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
yea, comparing eli
to russell is silly, but downplaying eli’s first year struggles is equally silly. that’s the nature of the QB position though, it takes time for players to come in and adjust….i remember hearing stray say that it takes a DE 3 seasons to get good. imagine how hard it is for a QB.
the difference is that eli had good coaching and depth around him to build on and learn, russell is a victim of a terrible situation in oakland. he gets railed on for not being a leader…but how can you be a leader when there’s no one in the organization to teach you how to be one?
all isn't well for you
mr “I hope the raiders destroy the Giants”
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Awe man...
I just read some of the Raiders game thread from the beginning and skipprd toward the end, i feel bad for them. It’s not like they came over here to smack talk, but they’re moreless demoralized and stunned!
Poor souls, and what they’re going through!
Yeah Hoot
Cable looked totally lost..Russell was awful, but I blame the piss poor coaching..That team does have talent and speed, but the coaching plain sucks.
No one with any sense wants to work for the Raiders
It wouldn’t surprise me if Cable was distracted by his impending arrest. In the right organization Russell might just succeed. Without at least a framework to work with many a good quarterback has looked dreadful. Think about Carr with Houston or even Warner with us when the O line was just learning.
Russel may never make it but he certainly hasn’t had a fair chance at Oakland.
by giant fan since 57 on Oct 12, 2009 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't pin this on Iverson
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as Al Davis is heading that franchise
they’ll never amount to anything. I thought they could make .500 this year, but that clearly isn’t the case. Not that the players can’t turn it around, but if they do it’ll be in spite of the coaching and upper management.
by YankeeDudeL on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
JR '07
i gotta say how great is that ’07 draft class turning out to be (Ross, Smith, Boss, Alford, Bradshaw, Michael Johnson, etc…)
This game was perfect..for many reasons
Eli was awesome and then was pulled out to preserve him, and Carr came in and did a great job..He only took off when it was appropriate. Who could ask for anything more!..We did what had to be done..In years past, the Giants would have played down to the level of the opponent..Not this year!!…and Tynes looks like he has things figured out..that is a good thing. I actually watched his kicks today versus walking away as I was doing thru the first 4 games. He only gave me one minor twinge in my back..but the kick was good. Our defense is really getting good, imagine what it’ll be when everybody gets healthy?..Wow
Our Giants fan in England..
Must have had a nice flight home..Probably drank himself to sleep with a big smile on his face
Bradshaw..is
The real deal!!..He is doing an incredible job running!!..I’m a little concerned that he pulled up lame, but hopefully it is nothing serious..Still a little concerned with Jacobs..He keeps trying to break his runs outside..Maybe they are having him do that on purpose to keep him healthy. I don’t know.
He has been successful going outside in the past.
Maybe he’s waiting too long to turn up field? Maybe D’s are learning how to contain him? They seem to be overpursuing him, but he can’t take advantage of it by by making Bradshaw-like cut backs. If teams keep loading the box against us, Eli will keep picking them apart with his young receivers, and Bradshaw will run up the yardage. If they go back to normal coverage, maybe BJ will be more like the old BJ. We can’t ignore the fact that other teams are looking to stop him as their #1 priority. That in itself makes him quite a weapon, given all we have in our armory.
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