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The coordinator question

The second piece in my series of New York Giants' off-season questions is a look at what might happen with the coordinator positions on both sides of the ball.

We all know that defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo has been on the list of candidates for pretty much every team that has had a head-coaching vacancy. Some of those jobs are filling up, and Spags does not appear to be the front-runner for any of the remaining openings. So maybe, just maybe, we will be fortunate and still have Spags running the defense next season.

On offense I'm sure there are a lot of Giants' fans who hope offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride never calls a play for the Giants again. Gilbride is public enemy No. 1 among Giants' faithful right now. Oakland has expressed interest in Gilbride as their head coach, and I think there would be a huge celebration in Giant-land if Al Davis were to hire him.

Let's take a deeper look at both of these jobs, particularly how the Giants might go about replacing Spagnuolo or Gilbride.

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Defensive Coordinator

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Current Giants' linebackers coach Bill Sheridan might be next in line if Steve Spagnuolo gets a head-coaching job.

We might be worrying about a successor to Spagnuolo for no good reason. With the Denver and Cleveland jobs filled, some doors are beginning to close on the Giants' brilliant defensive coordinator. Rex Ryan appears to the favorite for the Jets' job.

If Spagnuolo does not get the job across town, northjersey.com speculates that neither the Detroit or St. Louis openings appear to be good fits for him.

That might not be news that Spagnuolo wants to hear right now, but it would be music to the ears of anxious Giants fans. We would, of course, love to see Spags stay entrenched as Giants DC for a long, long time.

If Spags does land a head-coaching gig, though, best guess is that linebackers' coach Bill Sheridan is elevated to coordinator. We discussed this a couple of weeks ago, and it is probably the best-case scenario if the Giants have to replace Spagnuolo.

Like Spags learning his craft from Philadelphia guru Jim Johnson, you have to figure Sheridan has learned Spags attacking defensive style and would continue with it.

At least, that is what we would hope.

Here, by the way, is an NFL Network video about the current coaching carousel.

Offensive Coordinator

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Chris Palmer is the Giants' current quarterbacks coach. He served as offensive coordinator for Tom Coughlin in Jacksonville.

Fire Kevin KillDrive! Er, Gilbride. Or whatever you want to call him right now -- which I am sure is something you would not want to say in front of your mother.

Giants' fans, here and everywhere else, have been expressing the idea that the Giants need to can Gilbride after Sunday's play-calling debacle. And, if they aren't calling for his firing they are praying like crazy that the senile old man who runs the Oakland Raiders somehow decides that Gilbride is the guy who can save his crummy team. Hey Al, I know lots of members of BBV Nation who would write Gilbride recommendations.

You guys all know I have, up to this point, always defended Gilbride. I have admired the balanced attack he helped the Giants create, and said repeatedly he had to get some credit for how well the Giants offense performed last season in the playoffs and throughout this season's 11-1 start.

I still hold to that, but I am as upset with Gilbride right now as any of you. A coach's job is to put his players in position to succeed, and a coordinator must identify where his team has an advantage and use it. Gilbride did neither of those things Sunday. He continually asked Eli Manning to throw the ball deep down the field, despite the fact that it was obvious to everyone -- except him, apparently -- that Eli could not get that done in the Giants' Stadium winds. Worse, with the season on the line he did not take advantage of the team's best playmaker, Brandon Jacobs.

We have seen this from Gilbride before, and you have to wonder if he will ever fully understand the strengths -- and weaknesses -- of the players on his offense. If he hasn't figured it out by now, you would have to think the answer is no.

Here's the rub. If Gilbride miraculously gets the Oakland job (there is, I believe, zero chance Coughlin fires him) would Chris Palmer be any better?

I think it is a given that if Gilbride is gone Palmer, currently the quarterbacks coach, would become the OC. He held that position for a couple of seasons under Coughlin in Jacksonville, and for five seasons with the David Carr-quarterbacked Houston Texans.

Palmer's resume is eerily similar to Gilbride's -- minus the fistfight with Buddy Ryan. Veteran coach, worked with Coughlin previously, had a failed stint in Cleveland as a head coach. Respected for his work with quarterbacks.

If you think there is another solution to the offensive coordinator question I would love to hear it.

I think the best we can hope for is that Gilbride, Palmer and even Coughlin learn something from Sunday's failure against Philly. Balance and spreading the playing time and workload is great during the regular season. With your season on the line, though, you have to understand who your horses are and ride them until they just can't carry you any farther.

The Giants already paid a huge price for failing to understand that this time around.

Next up: I will look at the running back question.

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I for one am one of those praying for Al Davis to hire Gilbride.

by Woogie526 on Jan 14, 2009 7:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think

that if Davis hired KG I cheer would go up from Giants fans everywhere, whether that is fair or not.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 14, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OC

If Gilbride were to leave (please, go!), I agree that Palmer would probably be more of the same and I don’t like that idea at all. Hopefully TC & JR would see that changing to a bright young mind on that side of the ball would be as beneficial as it was on the other side of the ball. This position would be a highway to stardom for any young coach, as it has been for Spags. Seriously, who would turn down the opportunity to run this offense on a SB contender? If this hypothetical OC goes down in flames, then TC can always pull the plug & call the plays himself.

The only issue I see here is that TC would probably be reluctant to hand it over to an unproven commodity & he seems to have quite a bit of loyalty to his ex-assistants. I think for this to happen JR would have to push some buttons & I have no idea if he’d do that.

by potroast on Jan 14, 2009 7:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Spags

He’s a great coordinator and from what I hear and even better person so I would wish him nothing but the best if he leaves but for the Giants sake I hope he gets passed over. The Jets are leaning towards Rex Ryan from some reports. That just levaves St. Louis & Detroit. He still might be too expensive for the Rams, and Jim Schwartz is the leading guy in Mo-town, I believe. KC will hire Pioli and he will get rid of Herm and bring in the Iowa coach. If Spags stays I say the Giants bring in some Defensive studs via free-agencey and the draft and make the D lights out next year.

by Landeta on Jan 14, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think TC will fire him, period.

So, unless he gets a HC job, he’s ours. I will say that some of those ill-advised pass plays, looked like audibles. That doesn’t absolve KG, of course, since it’is his job to school the QB in play calling.

by blue gonz on Jan 14, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he'd fire him either

This is all hypothetical that he’d leave on his own.

by potroast on Jan 14, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I got that, pot.

My guess is the chance of him leaving on his own are worse than as his chance to get an HC job.

by blue gonz on Jan 14, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More of the same.

In my opinion, Kevin Gilbride will return. On the plus side, maintaining that kind of continuity with the offensive coaching staff can only help Eli Manning’s continuing improvement, as well as that of the young talent at wide receiver. I don’t know a lot about Gilbride’s past, but he also seems to recently favor the rotational backfield at running back, versus the “feature back.” That system has seemed to work well the last couple seasons at least.

by rzor on Jan 14, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

RBBC

was great to try to save Jacobs, but what was he saving him for Sunday? Minicamp?

by queler on Jan 14, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

I like your optimism. The idea of introducing a new system, if it comes to that, is a little scarey.

by blue gonz on Jan 14, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that continuity is great

but what happens when that continuity is broken apart because of other factors not of his own making? Gilbride has shown that he can’t handle those situations. He’s simply terrible at adjusting. That doesn’t bode well in a league where injuries are so prevalent.

by potroast on Jan 14, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Norv Turner for Offensive Coordinator.

Or a reasonable facsimile. That’s what we need. Our offense is built very similar to the Dallas Cowboys of the early 90s.

A strong running game anchored by a good offensive line.

A QB that isn’t asked to win the game all by himself.

We have a good tight end that can get open.

A good blocking fullback, although Johnston from the Cowboys was a much better pass catcher out of the backlfield.

We had, until recently, a Michael Irvin type WR, that could stretch the field, we would need to fill that hole.

If you remember once Dallas had a game sewn up they would just pound the ball, with that great offensive line of theirs opening holes for Emmit.

by John W on Jan 14, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That sounds reasonable

They didnt even throw that much, I always thought Aikman had Marino/Kelly/Elway numbers, but i think Romo already set a bunch of single season passing records….so I guess they were more balanced than I remember.

Hell, maybe Turner himself will get fired.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 14, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whats Norm Chow up to these days?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 14, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

Two things:

(1) No chance Reese and TC fire Killdrive. NO CHANCE. I just don’t ever see it happening. This organization is all about loyalty – perhaps even to a fault. Witness Coughlin: instead of firing him, management forced him to make wholesale changes to his coaching staff: buh-bye Tim Lewis/Hufnagel, hello Spags/Killdrive. So given the team’s recent success (Super Bowl, followed by a well-played regular season) I don’t see management forcing KG out.

(2) IF (big IF) KG leaves for some reason: I think the organization would be well-served to go the same route they went with Spags; ie a younger, hungry, offensive-minded guy from a successful offensive team. Or even someone from the college ranks. But something to shake it up and not just give career NFL retreads more and more chances to succeed when they haven’t necessarily had success elsewhere (sorry Palmer [and Killdrive] but you have each been given ample opportunities to prove yourself in the NFL and haven’t).

by Cody K on Jan 14, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As much as I'd like to see KillDrive gone...

…they won’t fire him off a 12-4 season. It would be nice if he was in some way held accountable by the organization, even if it’s just a stern “What on earth were you thinking?” sort of discussion w/Coughlin and/or Reese.

by drunkUncle on Jan 14, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Spags to KC

is far from being a done deal. Herm Edwards might not be going anywhere.

by django48 on Jan 14, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No Spags in KC

Pioli will hire one of his Belicheck goons for that spot. You have to be part of the “family” to work him.

by Landeta on Jan 14, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Belicheck

Who, exactly, is left from the current Belicheck ‘goons’ to be a head coach right now?

by Ed Valentine on Jan 14, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear they have a fantastic

17 year old intern who drew up a few winning plays in Madden 09 this year.

by cjmulrain on Jan 14, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe an Iowa goon?
Multiple reports also have mentioned Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, who previously worked with Pioli in Cleveland. But according to a source close to Hunt, the Chiefs owner is opposed to bringing in a college coach — though, again, that ultimately would be Pioli’s decision.

by django48 on Jan 14, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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