Giants have many questions to answer
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| Catches like this one by Plaxico Burress are why the Philadelphia Eagles said the New York Giants are not as good without Burress. It is also why we finally have to admit that the Eagles are right. |
Let's begin our New York Giants off-season coverage (God, I hate having to use that phrase right now) by acknowledging that the Giants have many questions to answer before training camp begins again this summer.
I think we know what most of those questions are, but for the sake of being thorough I will list what I think are the major ones.
- The wide receiver question
- The coordinator question
- The running back question
- The linebacker question
- The defensive line question
- The kicker question
It's a long off-season -- longer than we hoped it would be, and I won't delve into each of these questions right now. Instead, I will take them one at a time over the course of the next week or so.
Let's begin with what is probably the biggest question. To me, that is without a doubt The Wide Receiver Question. This is the most complicated question of the off-season, and quite possibly the most important.
It was painfully obvious as the Giants went 1-4 in their last five games -- those played without Plaxico Burress, of course -- that the Giants simply weren't the same on offense once Burress shot himself in the leg.
In fact, let's stretch that out to six games, since the Giants beat Washington 23-7 right after the Burress fiasco to reach their high-water mark, an 11-1 record.
In the 11 games prior to the Burress shooting, the Giants averaged 29.9 points per game and seemed able to do pretty much anything they wanted on offense. And, yes, I understand Burress missed a couple of those games.
In the six games following Burress' shot himself and shot the Giants' hopes of back-to-back titles to smithereens, the Giants averaged 18.2 points per game and went 2-4. They scored more than 30 points just once, and in two games -- including Sunday -- were held out of the end zone altogether.
Eli Manning passed for 305 yards in that Washington game, his only 300-yard passing game of the season. After that, though, his performances were anywhere from pedestrian to awful. He didn't reach 200 yards passing in any other game, and bottom out Sunday with an awful two-interception game and a 40.7 quarterback rating for the day.
As much as we love Steve Smith, Amani Toomer, Domenik Hixon and Kevin Boss it became clear that Eli was never sure where to go with the ball when he needed a play. In addition, it was clear that offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride never completely figured out how to run the offense and distribute the ball without No. 17.
So, how do the Giants fix it? Let's consider the possibilities.
The Plaxico Burress Question: Despite what it cost them on the field, the Giants did the right thing by suspending Burress for the season after the shooting. Unless, of course, you want to become the Bengals or Cowboys. But, what now? GM Jerry Reese has said he would consider bringing Burress back next season. Whether he means it or not, what else can he really say right now? Will he even be a free man? Can Tom Coughlin still coach him? Does Eli want him back and will he go to bat for him? Can his teammates accept him back in the locker room and trust him? Can Plaxico accept, and abide by, the stringent rules I'm sure the Giants would insist on if they take him back? That's a lot of questions to answer, and I think all of that makes it highly unlikely Burress is a Giant next season. Yes, the Giants need a No. 1 receiver with Burress-like skills. It's just that it might not be Burress.
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| Amani Toomer |
What about Amani Toomer?: The guess here is that the leading receiver in Giants' history has played his last game in New York. His 48 catches were the lowest full-season total for the 34-year-old since 1999. If he were to come back next season I'm not sure he would be any more than the fourth wide receiver. I'm not sure he would want to do that. Also, I'm not sure the Giants would want a fourth or fifth wide receiver who can't play special teams. Time marches on, and -- sadly -- I think the Giants will be saying goodbye to Toomer. He is a class act and a historically good Giant, but his time has passed.
What about the young guys?: I love Steve Smith, and he will be a valuable possession receiver for a long time. But he isn't a deep threat, or a No.1 guy. Domenik Hixon is a deep threat, but he is better suited to be a playmaker as the No. 3 receiver and a kick returner. Mario Manningham might be a player some day, but not a big, physical target who can be a go-to guy. Forget the rest, including Sinorice Moss, who will never be more than an extra player.
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Who can the Giants bring in?: If they don't bring Burress back, the Giants still need to get Eli a No. 1 receiver. There is always the draft, and Florida's Percy Harvin might be available when the Giants pick late in the first round. I hate the thought of using a No. 1 pick on a receiver, though. There has been some speculation that the Arizona Cardinals would be willing to trade the outstanding Anquan Boldin because he can be a free agent in a year. The Giants have extra draft picks thanks to the Jeremy Shockey trade, and they should explore this. Boldin has caught more than 100 passes twice, caught 89 this season and at 6-foot-1, 218 pounds is a physical beast who could really be an asset in the swirling winds of Giants Stadium. I have seen Calvin Johnson's name floated here at BBV, but he is the Detroit Lions best player, he is entering just his third season and I don't see how the Lions benefit from dealing him. It's a nice thought, but unlikely. T.J. Houshmandzadeh of Cincinnati is the best receiver hitting the free-agent market. He caught 112 passes in 2007 and 92 this season. He is a possession guy and isn't large at 6-1, 197 pounds, but he could be a viable option for the Giants. Here is a breakdown of all the available free-agent wide receivers.
Next up: The coordinator question.
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The Giants have many questions but they are not the Detroit Lions. I think they need to do everything possible to get Plax back, he’s proven & he’s in the fold, America loves a comeback story.
The N.F.L. needs to do something about their injury policey. Does anyone think Osi or David Tyree couldn’t have been ready to go toward the end of the season? Football needs a system like baseball where you can be on injured reserve for designated lengths of time & not lost for the year.
The N.F.L. needs transparency about their evaluation of on field officials. Every game this weekend had awful calls that affected the games outcome. Grades for officials should be available.
by GiantsCauseway on Jan 13, 2009 7:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plax
He is proven and in the fold, but the guy maybe be behind bars. Not sure they can wait to figure that out, which means a move in the draft (which I would also hate to see) or a play for Boldin.
by losangelesmets on Jan 13, 2009 7:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the Lions
Of course they aren’t. But, to be a Super Bowl team they have things to get done. As for Injured Reserve, I agree. I wrote about that a couple of weeks ago.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Plax masks more of Eli’s shortcomings and Gilbride’s shortcomings then makes the team better.
I think they could have won without him if Gilbride was a better OC.
I don’t think they will bring Plax back. Boldin would be nice. He’d be a WR that matches the physical and emotional nature of Jacobs.
Detriot might deal Johnson. They need everything 2-3 more picks in the draft with a new GM might speed up the rebuilding process there.
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 7:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Houshmandzadeh
To me, I think you go this route if you can rather than give up the draft picks. Also, everyone is saying nice things about Plax right now, but can the Giants really trust him? I don’t think so. Get a No. 1, but make it somebody other than Burress.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first line of the FA scouting report says it all
“Arguably the best number 2”. We dont need a number two. We have several number 2’s and 3’s. I think he is number two for a reason. Chad still gets a ton of attention and so does Chris Henry when out of jail. I will post Scouts Inc report on TJ below which I posted in a Fanpost too. I dont think a 31 old, great #2 is our best solution to replace Plax. I would much rather pursue Boldin (even with the injury risk.) He price is sure coming down not playing in the playoffs.
2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 82 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Houshmandzadeh put together an exceptional 2007 season. His reception totals and number of touchdowns has increased every year he has been in the league. He is no longer a young receiver and has probably peaked, but he still ranks amongst the best possession receivers in the league. He is a terrific route-runner who is intelligent in how he sets up defenders and sells specific routes. Houshmandzadeh has very reliable hands, consistently plucks the ball away from his body and rarely drops passes he should haul in. He has become an outstanding red zone threat who has the trust of his quarterback and shields defenders really well. He is fearless, competitive and does some of his best work over the middle of the field. He is effective from any wide receiver position and is a student of the game. Houshmandzadeh isn’t a blazer, but he continually gets separation due to his route-running prowess. He will not run past many cornerbacks in this league and isn’t a top deep threat. Houshmandzadeh catches plenty of touchdowns and moves the chains, but he is not a vertical threat. He does the majority of his work underneath. He has been a durability concern in the past. Some of Houshmandzadeh’s production is derived from all the attention Chad Johnson receives on the opposite side. That being said, he is an ideal No. 2 receiver and is the player Carson Palmer looks to when he needs to move the chains.
by losangelesmets on Jan 13, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Smith
A lot like our Steve Smith, I guess. The question is, can you get anyone better? Without giving up a bunch of draft picks, probably not.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that is....
the Calvin Johnson trade would basically be akin to a Herschel Walker trade; ie the trade that jump-started the Cowboys dynasty. Remember that? The Vikings paid a king’s ransom to get Walker and the ’Boys used all of those draft picks on the skill position guys that became their cornerstone players.
Anyway, I think Calvin Johnson is a complete stud. He’s big, nasty, strong, and catches everything near him. But I don’t think he’s worth the farm. I mean look at how close the Gmen came without a “true” #1. I’d much rather go after a guy that you can sign for free [BOLDIN!] (ie without giving up picks) and then hang on to more picks add depth where the team really needs it (ie, LB, D line, O line, DB’s, etc.).
Am I crazy?
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
boldin's undercontract
They can’t keep him, but they will get something for him
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well our recent drafts have helped a lot
not many teams get as many starters and/or contributors out of their draft, and we have extra picks this year, so forfeiting a few in a trade might not be as bad as you think, especially if you can get a guy like CJ
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a great point
Shockey’s pick is gravy as far as i’m concerned, give them a 1 and 2 maybe get a 3 back
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what a deal that was
And I LOVED shockey, but Reese doesnt really get enough credit for what he’s done….so glad we didnt shell out for Pioli
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rememer that?
Sure do. That was when Jerry Jones was Jerry Jones, not the caricature he has morphed into. Al Davis was Al Davis once, too.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some one made the comment in another post
Plax was #2 when we got him too. Plax doesn’t really have elite speed either
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on both counts.
Unless you have Rice/Fitzgerald talent, you can’t just step into the NFL as a # 1 (unless you go to a really lousy team that can wait for you to develop.)
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
He was a 27 year old #2, not a guy who will be 32 (I think TJ will be 32) when next season roles around. I think there is a big difference in that scenario. I am a huge Boldin advocate and he is a number 2 in AZ. Not opposed to the #2 label, I am opposed to the skill level of a #2 versus a #1. A #1 to me is not a possession receiver. It is someone that can stretch the field, has speed, has quickness and great hands. TJ has 2 of those 4, is 32 and will demand good money. I just don’t like the investment.
Of course, I would not have taken a chance on Moss either when the Pats did. He had all 4 of those qualities, a proven track record, but looked like he gave up in Oakland. So again, it is just my humble opinion that TJ is not the guy we are looking for.
by losangelesmets on Jan 13, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about TJ, either
Once again, I have faith in TC and JR
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not forgiving Plax
A lot of opinions around here seemed to change with the lose, but I won’t. Sure our season ended but I see that more on Gilbride’s shoulders then not having Plax.
I think we could have won without him if Gilbride used the end of the season to learn how to play without him instead of putting in the same gameplan each week.
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 7:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
You are right. I think Gilbride just said, “ok, Hixon, you are number 17 in the playbook. Lets go.”
They had 5 weeks to figure it out and did very little to develop a new scheme. I feel like we talked all season about the depth of weapons and instead we just sat on our hands and moved everyone up one spot.
by losangelesmets on Jan 13, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great call
Totally agree. It’s like Gilbride said, “Screw it, I’m gonna run my plays regardless of the personnel”
Or – worse yet – he just lacked the ability to be flexible given the personnel, which (to me) is a far more frightening concept.
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, Woogie, but
I can’t read the minds of JR and TC. I must say, however that, should he be available, they probably wouldn’t take another chance on him but rather see if they could trade him.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plax
Plax made a mistake and he will receive his punishment for it going forward. I believe in second chances for people and I hope he gets a chance to play in the NFL again if he wants to, just not for the Giants. I’m proud to be a fan of an organization that made a difficult, but correct, decision about Plaxico. Sure the natural instinct is to panic right now and grab for the quick fix, but as it has been mentioned before, we do not want to become the Bengals. I am confident Reese will make the right call this off-season, but put me on record saying that if the price is not outrageous I would love to see Boldin in blue.
by BigBlue4Life on Jan 13, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Decision
Yes, it was the correct one. I am also with you that I would rather see the Giants do the right thing to maintain their standing as an elite, class organization. That means moving on without Plax and becoming the Bengals or Cowboys.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plax
For all his faults, he’s not a thug like Pacman or Vick, at least based upon what we know. Sure, carrying a loaded (and unlicensed) pistol into a crowded club is both illegal and incredibly stupid, but after what happened to Sean Taylor, neither can I casually blow off the concern of a high-profile pro athlete for his personal safety. I realize that New York isn’t Dodge City and that Plax must accept the consequences of his poor judgment, whatever they turn out to be. But there are degrees of culpability and I’m not sure that I would put what he did in the same category as, say, running a dogfighting ring. That’s not to say “Come home, all is forgiven.” He still has to convince management that he’s genuinely committed to change, and I continue to have serious doubts that he’s capable of doing that. However, there’s nothing to lose by at least leaving open the possibility of a return, which is where I believe Reese is at present.
by django48 on Jan 13, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correct
these plax comparisons to the real scum of the league are getting ridiculous.
by kendynamo on Jan 13, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has any BBVer made such a comparison?
No question Plax is not a thug. Unreliable and flakey (based not just on his recent past, but on the totality of his career—except for ‘07 when he was looking for, and deserved a big pay boost.) I haven’t seen one BBVer question his undeniable talent. When he wants to be, he’s right up there with the top 3-5 WRs in the league. He’s not as big a problem child as at least one of them, either. Even if he turns out to have destroyed his own career by going to prison, it doesn’t mean he’ll automatically be given another shot by the team he let down.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No direct comparison, but...
I was just responding to Ed’s concern about the Giants not becoming the Cowboys or the Bengals.
by django48 on Jan 13, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to kendynamo's contention,
not anything you said, or Ed, for that matter.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right
This is all dependent on him not going to jail. To me, you have a guy you already have, and you’ve already paid, so if it works out, I say keep him. That’s a big if though. Now, it’s not too say he doesn’t have issues, I mean a few weeks before the gun, you could see him telling Coughlin, “I’m doing whatever the hell I want”.
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
The wide receiver question — we have to assume Plax will be in jail, probably for the rest of his career. If not, that’s great. We give him a try and if his attitude and play are good, he’s back in the saddle. I think we have to draft a big receiver, though not necessarily in the first round. And of course, we should at least talk to Boldin. In other words, we need to explore every path. I also think Amani is done. We can invite Moss and Tyree to camp, but they’ll have to show a lot to stick. Unless he’s a dud, Manningham gets another year. Smith and Hixon are locks.
The coordinator question — Tom & Jerry know who’s out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if neither gets hired.
The running back question — resign Jacobs. Try to resign Ward. If we can’t, Bradshaw and Wade are good compliments to Jacobs. Maybe we can draft someone in the later rounds.
The linebacker question — I think Pierce is near the end. We should move Kiwi back to LB and talk to Suggs. Blackburn, Wilkinson and Kehl have to keep getting better.
The defensive line question — with Osi back, we should draft some depth, although I hesitate to say DT after the William Joseph fiasco. I think Tollefson may be a keeper.
The kicker question — Invite both to camp. One wins; one loses.
The QB question — The Giants were very lucky just carrying two QBs. If Carr leaves for a better opportunity, we have to seriously look at Woodson and fish or cut bait. If he hasn’t lost the hitch in his delivery, we’ll need to find a backup. There are a few good QBs out there (e.g., Garcia) but they’ll want a shot at starting, which aint gonna happen.
The Secondary question — Madison and McQuarters are done. Thanks guys. I think we have a good core but need to draft more depth.
Offseason Advice — Alford, work on your snapping accuracy. Bradshaw, talk to Tiki about fixing the fumbling problem. Hedgecock, Johnson & Matthews, work on pass catching.
by TerraByte on Jan 13, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Several quibbles
I think Carney is bye-bye. He was a great fill-in; but his leg strength can best be described as “anemic” and his kickoffs consistently gave away too much ground. I’d rather stick with Tynes (who DOES NOT choke under pressure) than allow them to go head to head.
and as far as RB’s: Say goodbye to Ward, and hello to D Ware.
Tollefson is DEF. a keeper. He’s got a total mean streak in him and could develop nicely.
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im liking Kehl
He seems like he could be pretty good.
Im not sure we really have a defensive line problem: if Kiwi goes back to LB, we’ve got Tollefson, Osi will be back and we’ve got one of the best DT tandems in the league, so its more a matter of replacing guys like Wynn or McDougle.
I also wouldnt be surprised if neither of our Coordinators doesnt get hired, besides the fact the available jobs are pretty crappy.
I think we need a new place kicker all together; give that Ohio State kid we’ve got (huston? i cant remember his name) a real shot.
Thomas should replace madison or mcquarters
its really just the WR we’re lacking and all teams need depth on the lines
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year our biggest problem was the secondary. The Giants fixed that.
WR is a problem, yes, but I think LB is bigger, even if Kiwi goes back there. We do need depth on the DL.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well WR is a bigger problem than LB
the last month of the season has proved that
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most BBVers agree
with you that WR is our weakest spot. I’m not quite sure that i don’t.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is that what the last month proved?
I thought Westbrook, Peterson, Williams, and Choice(?) blowing by our slow linebackers proved that LB was our biggest need. I’d classify them as need 1A and 1B. The good thing is that I feel they are needs which can be filled different ways – LB through the draft, WR through free agency or trade. We have enough young WR’s, I want one that we know can step in and be a force from day 1.
By the way, I said this a few weeks ago, but how badly do you wish we could have pulled the trigger on that trade for Tony Gonzalez right about now? He would have solved a lot of problems post Plax. I wonder if we can re-visit those talks this offseason.
by cjmulrain on Jan 13, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He may have fixed personnel issues
But who is to say Gilbride would have used him properly?
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that the odds of Plax coming back are low.
As several have pointed out, the risks might be too great. Can he change his persona and become all about team? Would Reese amd Coughlin trust him?
Sure, I’d like to see us get a true # 1. I wouldn’t want to trade up and get one via the draft, unless there’s a sure thing prospect like Fitzgerald available. How many rookies can come in as a # 1? It took Toomer a couple of years to get there. Ward was the go to guy in Pittsburgh, not Plax. Let’s remember how little experience our WRs have. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Hix was pretty much all special teams at Denver. In effect, he’s a rookie at WR and considering time lost due to injury, so is Smith, Smith doesn’t have enough to be an eventual # 1. Does Hix? Can he turn into a Steve Smith type # 1? Probably not, but he can get free deep, something Plax can’t do. He’s bound to improve. He’ll never be the kind of blocker a big WR can be. Some of those big guys don’t try to block. At least Plax did when he felt like it, just like he put everything into his game when the mood struck him.
If Plax isn’t available (likely if Bloomberg gets his way) or if they don’t want to risk putting him back on the roster, they’ll have to try for a #1 one way or another, or attempt to win the SB w/o an outstanding one. It’s been done…more than once.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
whoa
I know Plax could be a little lazy, but I’ve never seen him slack on run blocking. He was a monster out there, and I believe from the interviews I heard, took a lot of pride in it too.
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nm George
I think I misread what you were saying
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify:
he could be a monster, but didn’t always choose to.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The final result of the coordinator question
may actually determine the result of the receiver question. If the Giants’ offensive system changes, perhaps the skills needed at wide receiver will also change. Will we actually need a deep threat, or someone who is more adept at getting off the LOS and cutting into slant routes? Regardless, I think the competition for Boldin’s services will price the Giants right out of that market.
by rzor on Jan 13, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boldin'll get the big bucks, alright.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's already under contract
so it will be a bidding war for whoever offers Arizona the most
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants need a physical Red/Green Zone Receiver
The Giants biggest problem since Plaxico exited was scoring in the red zone as was painfully evident in the Eagles games. No longer being able to throw that fade to Plaxico in the corner took away their best option.
Eli also often misses by thowing high (balls that Plaxico could catch).
The Giants need a tall/long, physical red zone receiver via either Plaxico, draft or free agency
by CNJGiants on Jan 13, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The need is obvious.
Could Boss fill it. The NFL has a history of tall TEs who fulfilled that role.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think that the WR should be a QUALITY WR, a #1 go-to guy.
As far as the Red Zone, I’m fine with developing Boss into the go-to target.
He has the size, why the Giants didn’t motion him out and run a corner route or a fade is beyond me.
Oh, that’s right – because Gilbride is the OC.
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boss
Probably has already begun to fill it. The giants were throwing to him in the red zone more and more as the season progressed.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Boss will be one of the top TEs in the NFC next year
Hes an improving blocker and he can run after the catch and has size and good hands….besides, guys like Gates and Gonzalez arent great blockers either….so I think he can be a top 5 TE next year
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Boss
keeps improving as a blocker. I really think he has the chance to be a perennial All-Pro
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boss
Could we see the day when the No. 1 receiver on this team is Boss … like the days when Bavaro was Simms’ main target. Then you just need good, not great, guys on the outside. In which case, Houshmandzadeh would really help.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think that underscores
more of just how much of running team the Giants have been
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it worked out that way, great.
Are TC and JR ready to take the chance?
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Tony Gonzalez
Not a long term solution obviously
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got nothing
I’m literally still speechless over all of it.
Maybe tomorrow.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 13, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought maybe
You had jumped off a bridge or something. At least you’re still alive. Tell me this isn’t all your fault. Please tell me you had the wings going Sunday.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually emailed Ed
Wonder where the hell you went.
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to take some losses like that.
Time reduces the intensity of passion. Trust me, that’s as much good as bad. Remember, the world still turns, my friend.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
The only reason Housh is a #2 is because he’s been a #2 all his career with the Bengals. You honestly don’t think he can be a #1? He was basically one this year (Ocho sucked).
by squid92 on Jan 13, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Additionally
Did you see Jay Alford nearly kill AP yesterday by falling on him? Clumsy, clumsy.
by squid92 on Jan 13, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry fellas
The Mrs and I relocated “jrs1940” Worldwide Headquarters over the weekend, spent 4 days moving, packing, unpacking, and filling a storage space. So between that and the events of Sunday, I have stayed away from anything that would remind me of what happened Sunday. I’m seriously numb.
Now I know how Dallas fans felt last year.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 13, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WR
keep plax, smith, hixon, manningham and boss. kick sinorice moss in the nuts and then cut him. let toomer retire then induct him into the NY Giants hall of fame. try to pry one of the lions WRs from them cheap. draft a WR in the mid rounds. fire gilbride and kick him in the nuts too.
by kendynamo on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Giant's need a HOF
We can’t keep retiring numbers, and there’s gotta be way to properly honor Toomer, cause he’s definitely only getting into the Hall of Very Good. I’d be a fan of retiring 81
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plaxico rant.
I’m getting sick and tired of listening to all the experts say that we lost because of Plaxico’s absence.
Personally I don’t care whether Plax comes back or not. I think he crossed the line into distraction territory, much like Shockey did, and I think the negatives outweigh the positives.
He has proven that he does not like restrictions and does not respond well to authority figures like Coughlin. It’s why the Steelers let him go in the first place.
I also don’t believe we lost because of his absence. We played without him before and we won.
We lost to Eagles in Dec because we couldn’t stop Westbrook and because Hixon dropped a sure TD.
We lost to Dallas because they sacked Manning a million times.
We beat Carolina without Plax. Period.
We lost to Minnesota on the last play of the game with all of our starters already in the showers.
We lost in the divisional round because we have a retarded offensive coordinator who was the only guy in the country that couldn’t see Eli can’t throw in the wind and abandoned the league’s best rushing attack once we got inside the red zone, against a team that defends the pass better than the run. There were plenty of plays during that game where our WR were open but Eli couldn’t connect with them. What that has to do with Plax not being there is a mystery to me. We had a kicker who missed two FGs after missing only one all season long.
Remember this we lost Osi, and we were still able to soldier on without him. Also remember that Plax wasn’t exactly setting the league on fire when he was suspended.
by John W on Jan 13, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
the starters
were losing at halftime in the Minnesota game. And the first Eagles loss, despite our inability to stop Westbrook, was just as much b/c we had NO offense, and you’re right, Hixon dropped a sure TD pass….that Plaxico would have caught. Maybe with his safety blanket 6’5 receiver Eli doesn’t get sacked half as much in Dallas. Maybe with Plaxico we go 15-1 and are drawing comparisons to the ‘85 Bears and ’89 Niners. It’s tough to say either way, but his absence absolutely hurt us.
by cjmulrain on Jan 13, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what hurt is
We beat philly the 2nd time during the season and we don’t even have to play them in the playoffs.
But we can play the what if game forever.
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I aree with all you say.
What I don’t know is how TC and JR will proceed if Plax escapes going to prison. He’s not Billy Budd, but it would still be a shame to see a guy go to prison just for being stupid. (Come to think of it, most people wind up in prison because of stupidity, which reminds me that Plax seemed to have continuing—not continuous— problems running the right routes.)
The bottom line for me is I trust in whatever eventual decision TC and JR have to make re Plax.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BetAgainstMe
I think it’s going to be the Giants for a whole lot of reasons, it’s like impossible to beat on their homefield twice, Philly did it once, they won’t do it again
http://www.betagainstme.com/?affid=959
by BetAgainstMe on Jan 13, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WRs
I’m on John W’s bandwagon … If we simply had an intelligent offensive mind calling plays our season probably wouldn’t be over right now, but I guess that question is for the next post.
I agree with the sentiment that if Plax is not in jail, then he should just get another chance. If the Giants really thought that the guy was that big of a distraction before this season, then they would never have signed him to a contract extension. Granted, he was a HUGE distraction this year, but my point is that he’s not uncoachable or a horrible teammate under “normal” circumstances. He gets a second chance because he was only outside “normal” this season.
But, the Giants definitely need to prepare for life without him. Going after Boldin is a good idea, but we can’t really rely on that. A lot of pieces need to fall into place for a trade to happen in the NFL (there is so few trades) and this is all conjecture that the Cards would really move him anyway, so don’t count on it. TJ does not really solve our NEED, since he’s really a possession receiver. Going through the draft means that its going to take time and the Giants are close to winning now. Basically, I don’t see a great solution. The Giants really need to adjust to life without that #1 receiver (i.e. Coordinator!) and maybe we’ll get lucky with Plax, Boldin, or a very fast maturing draftee.
by potroast on Jan 13, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
they put up with LTs shenanigans b/c he helped them win, they should do the same with Plax
the team before and after Plax signed are night and day, we’ve never had a guy like him-its no wonder we havent had a WR in the pro bowl since 1965.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with john w.
i think eli just missed a couple guys open deep sunday (steve smith, definitely), and has for the last month. i also need to agree with the folks who pointed out that gilbride never seemed to adjust what they were doing to account for pax’s not being there (or game conditions).
hixon is 6"2’, so he’s not exactly sinorice moss out there. manningham was quite a playmaker at michigan, so i’d like to see what he can do (but, you know, running pass routes, instead of wr end arounds for 12 yard losses).
i’d really like to see them go hard after boldin. i don’t think he or the cardinals think anything will get done, so use the extra picks to get him. you’ve gotta give up something of value to get something of value.
brian99
by brian99 on Jan 13, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're right about the potential of Hix and maybe Mario.
They both need palying time in order to determine if the potential can be realized.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Manningham will be a contributor
I think the sheen is coming off of Hixon, he’s too small and drops too many deep balls….I dont see what role he’lll fulfill if Smith is our new Toomer/possession receiver.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbride is awful=the general consensus?
Agree or disagree?
by squid92 on Jan 13, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
He’s terrible. Unfortunately, we’re definitely stuck with him unless someone else offers him a head-coaching position.
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Oakland
Indy has an opening now too!
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, but
it’s useful to remember how you would have thought he was the second coming of Bill Walsh when he replaced Hufnagel. It’s best not to expect miracles.
by django48 on Jan 13, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin Trade
Hey guys I’m new to this site. I’ve been reading your comments throughout the year and have enjoyed and respected your knowledge of Giants football. I still can’t shake Sunday’s loss so I had to join this site and play GM and look forward to next year. After this horrible loss I have to admit the loss of Plax was HUGE! Not just this one game but the last 4 games w/ out him the offense was terrible and I belive his absence was the primary reason the G-Men will not repeat. He is a unique talent that made everybody on the Giants offense better, QB, RB’s other WR’s. If the giants can’t get him back this is what I think the G-Men should do. I don’t think most of you guys will agree with it and it’s a bold move but like a Poster said earlier you have to give value to get value.
Franchise Brandon Jacobs and trade him along with a mid to low draft pick that can be negotiated to ARZ for Boldin. I know it’s crazy and I love Jacobs, but here is my thought proccess.
Both guys want and deserve more money. Without Plax the Giants have a glaring weakness and from watching the Cards they have one too, and it’s the lack of any sort of rushing attack. As they will find out Sunday they will need one to take the next step and BJ can provide that. Also for the Cards, Fitzgerald is a stud and Breaston can be a very good #2 and he is young. Also that Jeremey Urban guy is a nice reciever too. They are stacked at that position and it would be unwise to overpay at one position when they need more D and a runner to win.
As for the Giants. We have a good stable of backs and from what I’ve seen over the last few years a RB is easier to find and can contribute quicker than a stud WR is. BJ may be a tone setter but let’s face it even he suffered w/ out Plax especially againt a good D like Philly’s. The Giants ran the ball well all of 2007 and BJ missed 6 games. Ward and Bradshaw did fine filling in and in fact Bradshaw was better in my opinion in the Playoffs last year. I love BJ and his emotion and BEAST presence but and I hate to say it Plax opened a lot up. I also believe the success of the Giants running game is a product of the system not the backs as much. It’s the o-line and the blocking schemes that make the Giants a great running team. Yea the back matters but to me it’s similar to what Denver had in the late 90’s early 2000’s.
Also BJ is a Brusier and I believe he will only be effective for 2 or maybe 3 more years. Earl Cambell, Christian Okoyee ran the same way and did not last for long. He’s also injury prone. I truley believe this is why the Giants have not re-signed him yet. He is worth the money but not the long term commitment. Thats why you throw in a low to mid round pick in the trade. Boldin has at least 6 more good years left in him and so does Eli. And Eli is the face of the franchise. They have do whatever it takes to make him a better player. Like the Pats have done w/ Brady by signing Moss & Welker or the Saints with Bress and Shockey (he he he) just kidding. And Eli needs more help than those guys.
And from a Cardinals standpoint, they may say they love Matt Leinart but if he could not get the job from a 36 year old Warner they must lack some confindence in him. Meaning w/ Warner the time for the Cardinals to win is now and they need a quality back. Even if Lienart gets the job as a young QB a quality running game can only help him.
As for Boldin his rookie year was 2003 and he set the NFL record for receptions in a season for a rookie as a #1 reciver. He is not as good as Fitzgerald and who is, (thats why the Cards pay him more), but he is a legit # 1. A different skill set than Plax but a very physical presence and tough matchup for any corner. More of an over the middle and run after catch guy but brutally hard to tackle as a reciver very big. If he is not accounted for he can eat a team up. He’s like the Brandon Jacobs of WR’s in the NFL. I also believe his skill set can help Eli in the wind at Giants Stadium late in the year. He is not as much of a deep sideline guy that you air it out to but rather a of over middle straight line drive like pass or short pass type of guy. That can cut down on some of the floater’s Eli is prone too in the wind. With teams having to account for Boldin’s physical presence on one side the speedy Hixon can get man coverage with the oppents #2 corner and make some big plays down the field. I really like, Hixon, Smith, and Boss and believe they will only get better but they are not big time threats and can excell with another physcial presence on the field. Boldin is also a good guy. He is unhappy about his contract but has refused to address it during the season and has not held out of mini-camp or camp. (Unlike Plax who rufused to practice and just rode the Bike) He is also very tough. He literaly broke his face in the Jets game this year only missed 2 or 3 games. Hopefully he would work with Eli in the offseason too.
Sorry about the long post but it’s my first time and I’m so bored already w/ out a Giants game this weekend!
by Landeta on Jan 13, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs didn suffer
He had 92 yds on 19 carries, thats almost 5ypg, thats great. Gilbride suffered a 60 minute long brain fart.
I dont think Arizona would want Jacobs at a franchise price-can you even trade a guy once he’s been franchised? They seem pretty upbeat about Hightower, who would be far less expensive than Jacobs.
They have Boldin and Fitz signed long term, sure Boldin is upset he’s making less, but unless he holds out for a new deal, what can he do?
That being said, I would offer a deal for him involving draft picks, but I would investigate Calivn Johnson first. Boldin is only 6’1’’ and as well all know, Eli still throws high, and a lot of his mistakes are erased by Burress’ height.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
@ Bren
I’m going to qualify the following statement by saying two things:
(1) I usually agree with all of your comments and I think what have to say is really insightful.
(2) Maybe I’m just being Debbie Downer about all of this.
There’s NO WAY that Calvin Johnson will be in NYG Blue next year. I just don’t see it happening. Why would Detroit make that trade? They finally get one WR that is a stud (after SO many mistakes: Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams) – and I just don’t see them trading him for draft picks (ie unknowns).
So maybe I’m being negative about this – but if you ask me, NFW do the Lions move him.
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so either, but it doesnt make sense to build around a WR
Correct me if Im wrong, but I think the colts had Harrison one year before Peyton, but there are no Peytons coming along anytime soon, so it would make sense to stock pile picks and address more basic areas, both lines/LB/Secondary, to start a real rebuilding effort.
I think Roy Williams was a pretty good pick, I mean they got a haul in return, its just the team is in such disarray, a top not WR wont make much difference when there is no one to get it to him.
So one can make a strong case that they should trade Johnson, but I suspect youre right and they wont-but that was my best case, ignore reality, scenario
I think, in the end, Plax will be back on a very short leash, if he’s not in jail that is. But we have the chips to make a trade, so if thats what it takes, the CJ would be my pie in the sky hope, but Boldin would be good….or even a trade up in the draft to get Crabtree or Maclin etc etc.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
First I didn’t read it all. Just for the record.
Brandon Jacobs’ production only suffered on sunday, not because Plax wasn’t there. Because Gilbride under used him. He averaged 4.9 yards per carry.
I would love Boldin but not at the price of Jacobs. In the games where BJ didn’t play, both Ward and Bradshaw struggled. Jacobs wears down defenses. Ward does not. I think he deserves his shot but I wouldn’t choose him over Jacobs.
by Woogie526 on Jan 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Woogie
If you have to choose one of the two, you have to choose Jacobs.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
260lber that run 4.6s
don’t grow on trees, pay him now regardless of durability
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard!
Of course, I think your idea of trading Jacobs is completely off the wall, but you obviously put a lot of thought into how it would work out. We would all love to have Boldin.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent analysis
You’ve given lots to chew on. Aside from what the Giants might do, would the Cards go for it? Their running looked good in their last game. We’ll see if that keeps up. If it doesn’t, they might.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fail.
Brandon Jacobs was our best offensive player Sunday, and you want to trade him? Ridiculous. If anything, franchise Ward and ship him out.
by squid92 on Jan 13, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, welcome!
haha, sorry. Just a bit angsty.
by squid92 on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thing Cards might go for it.
Hear is why. Edgern James is done. He is a malcotent and over the hill. Hightower is not a top back, they benched him for James in the playoffs because he was so unproductive. JJ Arigton is a scat back type. They have one potential good back in Hightower and nothing else. Yea their running game looked good against the Falcons and Panthers (The Panthers D sucks, it was the only game the Giants offense scored meaningul TD’s on in this offensive horrendous stretch, the Saints almost came back and beat them and the Bucs put up ove 20 on them) but the Eagles D will crush it. They will do the same things the G-Men did when we beat the Cards, cover the big play guys let them get some underneath stuff and use only 4 or 5 guys to stop the run and blitz like hell on third and long. If the Cards want their offense to be complete they need a balanced attack so they can compete with the best D’s in the League. Remember Marino never won anything because all they did was throw, you can’t win that way.
Also Boldin has 1 year left on his contract and makes peanuts compared to what top guys make, (thats why he is unhappy )if the Giants can trade for him and if Burress goes to jail, they can cut Burress(only about a 2mill cap hit, Reese did another good job w/ that contract) and use that money to give Boldin a 5 or 6 year extension for about what Burres was getting. I don’t want to waste high draft picks because I belive the Giants could use them to make their D Awsome. Some quick LBs more D-Linemen. We missed the depth we had a year ago. Rese can evaluate talent and make good picks. Philips and Thomas sure look like their going to be players. Imagine if he could get another D-Linmen and LB with picks 1 &2 that can be that promising.
by Landeta on Jan 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see it
RB is much MUCH easier to cultivate and develop than the WR position. Look at all of the failed bust WR’s and look at all of the “out of nowhere” free agent RB’s that are successful. For every high pick like Adrian Peterson for the Vikings, there are successful “unknown” FA’s like Ryan Grant (a guy we all know well), or guys from smaller schools (Brian Westbrook went to Villanova, Tim Hightower went to Richmond, etc.) – so I think that since RB’s are so much more readily available, it puts a much larger premium on WR’s (and CB’s, and QB’s, etc.).
by Cody K on Jan 13, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not trade Ward then?
They had similar stats, hes more explosive, has better hands?
Running Backs, in general, are a dime a dozen, whereas big play WR are not, and the Cards have two. So I think they can get a real bidding war going if they were to trade Boldin, and they might not necessarily want a RB in return when they can get a cheaper one via the draft or anywhere for that matter, hell we got Ward off of someone elses practice team.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cards
Actually, I think Arizona might be where DWard ends up next year. Obviously, he fits in their passing game, he can run the screens and draws and would give them an every down back.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing
to let him go there right now, if it would help them beat the Eagles.
by cjmulrain on Jan 13, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From your lips
to God’s ear. The idea is beginning to appeal to me. As much as I love BJ, I don’t think anyone believes he can get through a whole year w/o missing some games. And you’re right that chances are he won’t have a long career. Bus managed it, but he was an exception for that kind of back, maybe the only one besides Bronko Nagurski. (See, cj, mentioning Paxon wasn’t so bad.)
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ward's not real durable either
This was his first 16 game season ever, and I thought he looked worn down in the middle
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
RBs don’t last long. Tiki was an exception in that regard. As bren said RBs are a dime a dozen.
Thing is, with Eli and Metro weather, we need a good running attack.
by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This idea appeals to me too
I don’t think it’ll happen because of the concerns raised here (i.e. WR harder to get than RB), but it would be a great
by potroast on Jan 14, 2009 6:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ward is not worth what he's going to cost
IMO Jacobs is, he’s one of kind
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good Points about Ward
I wouln’t trade Ward because he would not be worth it for the Cards. He’s 29 years old, Jacob’s value is higher because he is younger only 25 and entering his prime. The only RB you could maybe even get a guy like Boldin is Jacobs because as queler says he’s one of a kind, but so is Boldin.
by Landeta on Jan 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i don't know the numbers
but neither back is worth the money to Franchise, especially not Ward. More importantly, Franchising fixes the compsenation too, I doubt BJ is worth a first rounder and Ward certaintly isn’t. I think a team is really going to waste a lot of money of Ward, and god bless him, but I don’t want to pay him
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't trade him, anyway
he’s a free agent.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Franchising
They could trade him if they franchise him, the Pats will do that w/ Cassel if Brady is 100%. l’ll be honest I’m not sure about all of the rules or how much Jacobs salary would increase if he is franchised and that could put my whole crazy plan to rest but I sitll find it odd they have not resigned him. Tuck, Webster, Diel, Osi in 05 even Plax this year they are usually agressive in resigning players they want for the long term. The cards might look to trade Boldin because if they don’t plan on resigning him past 09 they’ll loose him and get nothing for him and that could be the case with Jacobs and the Giants so both teams are in somewhat similar situations w/ great players.
by Landeta on Jan 13, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
off the top of my head
Franchise and transistional tags are specifcally for players about to become free agents, which BJ is not until whatever date it is. Franchising locks them into a one year contract at the average of the top 5 salaries at that position. You cannot talk contracts with them until a later point in the off season. The trade compensation is fixed based on the salary but is usually a first rounder. It also tends to royally piss off the player because there is no bonus
by queler on Jan 13, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Franchising
I might be wrong w/ the rules, sorry for wasting everybodys time, I’m going to look that up in regards to trading franchised players.
by Landeta on Jan 13, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who is the best reciever in the draft
What do you think about trading up? If we have extra draft choices, maybe we can package our #1 and a spare #2 and get a higher #1
by NYERinSF on Jan 13, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree or Harvin
depending on who you ask
by DoctorK16 on Jan 13, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for our needs
I don’t think there’s even a question that it’s Crabtree. Harvin reminds me a little too much of Reggie Bush – I don’t know how well he’ll cross over to the NFL.
by cjmulrain on Jan 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Crabtree is the guy because of his size. Plus we know he’s clutch & that would be a requirement to fill Plax’s place also.
by potroast on Jan 14, 2009 6:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree makes me neverous
Those Big12 D’s were atrocious
by queler on Jan 14, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Harvin
He’s like a Santana Moss-type player. Small, fast.
Crabtree is a prototypical big, strong WR that can go over the middle, fight for the YAC, AND stretch the field. Crabtree will be a top-10 guy so the only way the Gmen have a shot at him is if they trade up.
And yeah, the Big 12 played NO D this year. None. And in that bowl game vs. an SEC D, Crabtree was silent.
I’d rather the Giants don’t trade up to attempt to get him and let someone else make that mistake first.
by Cody K on Jan 14, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Franchising
Queler nice job looking up the rules. Teams usually franchise players who are going to hit the open market and they want to to keep but not for the long term or trade for some value. I still believe you could trade a franchised player but I might be off base in saying they could get a player, it might just be a #1 pick. The reason why I thought it might work for Boldin is once the Giants got him in a trade they could re-do his contract which he is unhappy about and the Cards could re-do Jacob’s contract once the season is over. I don’t want the Giants to give up too many draft picks to move up, that can be very risky for an unproven player.
by Landeta on Jan 14, 2009 5:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course,
there’s always this possibility.
Just kidding.
by django48 on Jan 14, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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