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'Kudos & Wet Willies,' it's over too soon edition

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Today is a very disappointing day for New York Giants' fans.

The season has ended much too soon, sooner than it was supposed to. Perhaps we were spoiled by last season's unexpected Super Bowl title, and most definitely by the 11-1 start this team got off to.

As the season unfolded it felt like this team was on the cusp of something special, something historic. This proud, original NFL franchise has never won back-to-back titles, and we thought this would be the year. We thought the Giants of the past two seasons might go down as the most special New York Giants team of all time.

Alas, the Philadelphia Eagles had other ideas. The Eagles came to the Meadowlands and shattered the dream Sunday, ending the Giants' dreams with a well-earned 23-11 victory.

I won't succumb to being bitter today, though. An opportunity has been lost, but there is hardly reason to throw around words like disgrace, to start calling for the firing of coaches or to start demanding wholesale changes on either side of the football. I know losing to the Eagles makes it hurt more, but take time to look at the big picture.

No matter what team you root for, you wish your team could win every single game and be the champion every single season. It simply doesn't happen that way, however.

However you rank them, the Giants were unquestionably among the best teams in the NFL this season. They will be among the best again next season, and quite possibly for many seasons to come.

As 'queler' said in his Fanpost "that was one of the greatest 365 days of Giants football I can remember."

Indeed it was. Be thankful for it.

Be thankful that you still have a deep, talented roster that has quality young players at almost every position.

Be thankful that, despite his struggles Sunday, you have a quarterback in Eli Manning who isn't done winning big games.

Be thankful that you have a terrific head coach in Tom Coughlin who has taken his team to the playoffs four consecutive years, and isn't done winning yet.

Be thankful that you have a great general manager in Jerry Reese who can identify the weak spots on this roster and has proven he knows how to fill them. Oh, and be thankful he has some extra draft picks to play with this April.

The season did not turn out the way we wanted, or hoped, or maybe even expected. But I do not think the final chapter has been written for the core group that leads this Giants' football team.

I think there are plenty of good memories still to be made by this team. I am thankful for that.

Now, on to the traditional 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'

Star-divide

Kudos to ...

There's plenty of crummy stuff to talk about. Let's start with some of the good things, though.

  • Terrell Thomas: A brilliant special teams play to down a ball inside the 5-yard line, and a couple of quarterback pressues while blitzing. It appears that GM Jerry Reese struck gold with Thomas, his second-round pick in 2008.
  • Run defense: Gotta give it up for what the Giants did in this department, basically making Brian Westbrook (18 carries, 36 yards) a non-factor. I didn't think that was possible, but the Giants did it. I also didn't think it was possible to do that and still lose, but the Giants did that, too. Michael Johnson and Antonio Pierce, in particular, had excellent games defending the run. It was a total team effort, though.
  • Brandon Jacobs: Gained 92 yards on 19 carries, and should have had a huge day. The only problem Jacobs had is the Giants simply did not give him the ball nearly enough. The big fella ran really well. Now, the Giants need to pay the free-agent to-be and lock him up for the next few seasons.
  • Ahmad Bradshaw: A game-opening 65-yard kickoff return, and some nice efforts on a couple of other run backs. Only one question, Ahmad. Where has that been? That was the Bradshaw we expected to see all season -- and that we need to see next season.
  • Justin Tuck: The All-Pro defensive end gave everything he had, creating a safety and making five tackles while playing on one healthy leg. Tuck needs more help next season, which he should get with the return of Osi Umenyiora.

Wet Willies to ...

Now we get to the ugly stuff. I think these are pretty predictable if you watched the game, but we have to go through them.

  • Eli Manning: As good as Eli was during last season's run to the Super Bowl, he was that bad Sunday. Not Jake Delhomme bad, mind you, but bad. Eli was just 15-for-29 for 169 yards and 2 interceptions. He threw only a handful of quality passes all day. The winds were awful at Giants Stadium, and they obviously affected Eli. For whatever reason -- arm strength, lack of a consistent spiral, I don't really know -- Eli always seems to struggle with the wind. It didn't help that he was consistently being asked to throw the ball down the field instead of short, but by the end of the game even his short throws were off target. Manning connected on one long pass to Domenik Hixon, but there were several plays to be made where Eli simply could not get the ball there. And the interception he threw that turned into the Eagles first touchdown was a horrible throw, matched only by the incredibly stupid play call.
  • Kevin Gilbride: Let's get this straight right now -- Gilbride had a crappy game Sunday. I wanted to jump through the TV, rip his headset off and start calling the plays myself. But, Gilbride is not going to get fired. . TC and JR simply won't do that. The only way he isn't the offensive coordinator next season is if Al Davis is silly enough to hire him to be Oakland's head coach, and I think the chance of that is slim. All of that said, I'd like to know just what the devil Gilbride thought he was trying to do Sunday. Deep ball after ball despite the fact that it was obvious Eli could not accurately make the deep throw. A stupid deep pass play when the Giants were backed up and going into the wind that ended up in an interception that Philly turned into 7 points. The stubborn refusal to ride Brandon Jacobs, who was obviously fresh and frisky, and let the Giants do what they do best. Overall, I will still say Gilbride has done a good job as Giants OC. The number of points they have scored this season backs that up. But, KG does not adjust well to weather conditions, and he never fully adapted to the Giants not having Plaxico Burress anymore. 
  • Plaxico Burress: Speaking of the idiot wide receiver who shot himself in the leg, it seems he also shot the Giants season in the heart. Missing Burress was not the Giants only problem Sunday, but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that the Giants could have used a big, tall No. 1 receiver who could go up and grab an off-target pass or two in traffic. Fact is, whether you can pin it on Plax or not, the Giants offense was never the same after his nightclub fiasco.
  • John Carney: At 44, Carney was a great story and had a great season for the Giants. Sunday, though, Carney's veteran consistency could not make up for his lack of leg strength. He missed from 46 and 47 yards, with the second kick being particularly bad. It simply died on the way to the goal posts without nearly enough on it to cut through the wind. I have to wonder why Lawrence Tynes wasn't summoned for the last attempt. Those misses were devastating. Have fun in Hawaii, John, then have a nice retirement.
  • Pass rush: OK, another thing we have not wanted to admit, but that has been obvious for a while now is that the Giants desperately missed Osi Umenyiora and Michael Strahan. Justin Tuck is great, and Mathias Kiwanuka is OK at defensive end, but the Giants simply have not been able to generate a pass rush from their front four for about two months now. The only way they get near a quarterback is to sell out and send six or seven guys. Plus, the lack of depth left Tuck and defensive tackle Fred Robbins gassed by Sunday. Neither one was nearly as effective as they had been the first half of the season. 
  • Offensive line: All year long we heard about how the Giants' offensive line was probably the best in the game. They nicknamed themselves the 'New York Blocking Department,' got on magazine covers, got Pro Bowl invitations and All-Pro recognition. But twice when it mattered most in the fourth quarter the vaunted NYBD could not budge the Eagles on fourth down runs. Forget the play-calling. If your line is supposed to be that good, you have to be able to gain six inches, and the Giants couldn't do it. 

Final thoughts

That's all I can do for now. Don't jump off the bridge, Giants' fans. This is a team that won a Super Bowl, followed it with a division title, has lots of young talent, a great coach and GM, and extra draft picks thanks to the Jeremy Shockey trade. The future remains bright.

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It's ironic that

the position at which we thought we had the most depth, WR, is the one that collapsed most completely. I wonder if Reese is thinking our young receivers (Manningham, Moss, Hixon, practice squad guys) are still worth developing or whether it’s time for a change?

by TerraByte on Jan 12, 2009 6:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think

Plaxico and the run game masked how good the WRs really are. Plaxico drew double coverage and all Toomer or Smith had to do was beat single coverage that was often only a couple yards because Jacobs would put you guys in short yard situations.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After yesterday

I could say the same thing about Westbrook’s value to your team. Sure the Giants neutralized him, but at a big price.

Hey, enjoy your run like we enjoyed ours last year. As we’ve just seen, every season brings a new set of challenges. Nothing is automatic.

by django48 on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now we can add runn blocking

to the list of things hixon sucks at compared to plaxico. one of those short yardage failures was all hixon whiffing on his block. hixon blows, i want him gone.

the o line wasnt perfect but i thought their protection was good and they opened plenty of holes for jakes and ward. KG just shat all over himself with miserable play calling.

by kendynamo on Jan 12, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's true

Plax learned great blocking from Ward

by queler on Jan 12, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hixon

I don’t want him gone. He is a good player who does a lot of things well, he just isn’t a No. 1 wide receiver. On Jacobs’ 24-yard run if Hixon had gotten a block that might have gone for a touchdown.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They have depth

In that they have a nice group of slightly above average WR’s, some of whom are big, some of whom are fast, but none of whom have both those attributes – as Plaxico does.

If he doesn’t come back, or they don’t bring him back, they’re going to have to find someone. Boldin would be great, but he’ll be highly sought after. It’s also hard to picture Reese throwing crazy amounts of $$ around on the FA market.

It would be interesting to see if, given all the picks they have, they try to move up and get a guy like Crabtree in the draft.

by drunkUncle on Jan 12, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

I was as angry at Gilbride more than anyone yesterday, but I’m sure that you are correct that they’ll never fire him. I still wouldn’t shed a tear if he left on his own though. He seriously is the ONLY person watching that game yesterday that didn’t realize that they should stick with Jacobs. Ridiculous. He’s had enough terrible games that it makes you wonder if they won last year in SPITE of him.

As for the WRs Terra, I think they simply need that big #1 guy. I’m sure we will be discussing this a lot this offseason, but I’ve felt all along that Plax will get another chance with the Giants because of this. Guys like that just don’t grow on trees. Look how long the Eagles have been looking for one. The Giants probably need to cut ties with Moss, but Hixon is a great weapon when he is not the primary target and its too early on Manningham. With Plax in the mix, it’s still a good WR corps. Without him the Giants have to find someone that can replace him as Eli’s crutch because he’s not on this roster.

Well, it still was a fun season. It’s just the postseason that really sucked. Hopefully Spags stays, Osi gets healthy, the WR situation gets ironed out, and a playmaker is signed or drafted at LB. The Giants will easily be the team to beat if all those things are done.

by potroast on Jan 12, 2009 7:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Regards to Gilbride

I think the man cooks up a gameplan. And never ever deviates from it. No matter how bad it is not working or the weather.

I think the plan was go deep to make them respect the pass, and that never panned out. But instead of changing to something that worked, they kept with it.

I think in all the terribly called games this has been the case. The man seems incapable of in game adjustments.

It killed me to watch Jacobs tear it up for 2 carries then jog off the field.

by Woogie526 on Jan 12, 2009 7:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You hit the nail on the head

That’s exactly his weakness.

by potroast on Jan 12, 2009 7:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a fair point

It was obvious to all of us that the deep ball wasn’t going to work, and that Jacobs was being underutilized. Shoot, it was even obvious to Troy Aikman. Terrible job by Gilbride Sunday. You guys know how often I have defended him, but I can’t defend what he did Sunday.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The worst exhibition of playcalling I've ever seen

I was at the game. Every freaking time they had the ball in Eagle territory he immediately put Eli in the gun, instead of going heavy with Jacobs and Hedgecock. The crowd was literally groaning every time he did it. I don’t understand how you can have a historic season rushing the ball, then come out and run plays like THAT! I disagree that you can’t fire him – he should be gone already.

Philly was the better team yesterday. They were faster, healthier, and if we’re being honest, they wanted it more (giants did not match their intensity). Having said that, if Gilbride gets Jacobs and Ward 40 carries, and punishes their D in the first half (the way we all thought they would), I think it’s a FG game at the end, rather than a laugher.

by drunkUncle on Jan 12, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Drunk

I didn’t say can’t. I said won’t. The more I have thought about it, the less I feel like defending Gilbride at all. I just don’t see TC turning him into a fall guy for this, that’s all.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doubts

I doubt TC would throw anyone under the bus. It doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen though.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and Oakland will take him off our hands.

by Woogie526 on Jan 12, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

look how long it took

to get rid of Hufnagel

by queler on Jan 12, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good summary, Ed.

And pot, I agree with you re WRs, although I still think we’re better off in the long run w/o a non conformist like Plax. Unless he has made a radical change in attitude, we’ll never see him in a Giants uniform again. Even if he does change, his future is dependent on the outcome of his case. I’m hoping we’ll trade for a top guy like Boldin, etc.
As for Gilbride, he does seem inflexible as 526 says, but unless someone takes him off of our hands, we’ll be stuck with him as long as TC is our coach.
Let’s face it, we had a monster schedule, some key injuries, the Plax and Shockey fiascos, all of which contributed to changing the team to the team we saw on opening day into the pale imitation we saw yesterday, a valiant but worn-out squad.
With JR in the front office with those Shockey draft pick in hand, I expect next year’s team to be stronger and the schedule to be a bit softer.
You can’t go to the SB every year.
All will be well.

by blue gonz on Jan 12, 2009 7:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This team

I think was a lot thinner than we all wanted to admit, especially with the losses of Osi and Strahan. The loss of Plax then really did hurt this offense. I love Hixon and Steve Smith, but neither one is a No. 1 guy.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 7:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HATE TO PILE ON BUT...

I need to vent… One particular situation late in the 2nd quarter drove me insane. Jacobs had the Eagles’ D on their heels after runs of 24 and 5 yards for first downs. After the 2 minute warning the Eagles are called offsides giving us 1st and 5 on their 20 yard line. With 1:55 left we throw the ball 3 times in a row !! Not only did we bail out their defense by not giving the ball to Jacobs, we left 1:40 on the clock for them to drive down the field and take any momentum that we had gained going into halftime….I think that was a huge turning point in the game.

by JINTS14 on Jan 12, 2009 7:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That type of thing happened several times

It’s like they say in baseball — ‘get beat with your best pitch.’ The Giants did not get beat with their best pitch, and that’s on Gilbride.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

the Giants passing 3 times from the 20 = the Mets using Aaron Heilman in big games for 3 years. Both give me nightmares…

by cjmulrain on Jan 12, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That was thee most awful series in the game.

by Woogie526 on Jan 12, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That series

Kept coming up in the discussion I had after the game with my brother. After several hours and multiple beers, neither of us could figure it out.

by BigBlue4Life on Jan 12, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That series enfuriated me

What were they thinking? 1st and 5 at the 21 with 1:50 to go and they are throwing passes? I haven’t shouted at the television like that since that awful playoff game in San Francisco.

That was a miserable game. It may not have been as painful as the loss in San Fran. But it was more disappointing because this Giant team actually was a contender.

It’s not that Gilbride NEVER makes in game adjustments, it’s just that he is a quarter behind the rest of the world. The Giants finally started running the ball in the fourth quarter when they were behind by two scores.

I can’t get over it. They Eagles had just played 17 football games in 18 weeks. Something like the last 5 or 6 were elimination games. The Giants had been semi -coasting for over a month (except the Carolina game) and we were coming off a bye. How did our game feature run, run, and then run the ball.

In the first quarter, the Eagles showed run blitz on first down several times. OK, you adjust and throw a couple of passes. It was obvious by the second quarter that the Eagles had backed off. Not only were they playing zone, they were playing deep zone. Did we break off any routes? No. Did we put in Ahmad Bradshaw and run delayed handoffs out of the shotgun? No. We keep throwing into the zone. Brilliant.

It was obvious in the second quarter (and even more so in the the third) that the Eagle’s defense was wearing down. We were running the ball and momentum was slowly grinding the Giants way.
And every time we seemed to be getting something going, we started passing again.

Ah well, there is always next year.

My dying words will be 'Go Giants!'"

by wankerboy on Jan 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking ahead

I’m ok with bringing Plax back. I mean, he has to have learned from this whole fiasco, right? He must have been watching yesterday, and saw how important he is. Shouldn’t that give him a sense of responsibility? It’s easy to forget now what a perfect citizen he was last season, playing on 1 ankle and carrying us to the SB. That said, I also wouldn’t mind seeing them sign someone like Housh or Colston (if he’s available), or even trading for Boldin. The Cardinals are showing that there’s nothing wrong with having two #1 WR’s, and this way if Burress does act up, you have a safety net. Also, as much as I love him, I think it’s time to part ways with Amani. I kinda hope he decides to retire, but the fact is we have Steve Smith, who is a younger, cheaper Amani Toomer. No need to have two of those guys on the roster.

With Osi coming back the DL should be outstanding again. If he’s even close to what he was last year, the Giants will have the best DE tandem in the league, and they can play around with Kiwanuka to maximize his talents (he was good but not great this year – but I also wonder if the lingering effects of the injury slowed him down a bit).

Looking to the draft – I think we all agree LB is our top need. I don’t want to see us waste a pick on another receiver, since the success of highly picked receivers is so spotty. If we could figure out a way to move up to get a James Laurinitis or a Rey Maualuga, I think it’s something Reese would have to consider. But even if not, there’s probably some gems to be found in the late-1st round. The one positive to yesterday – higher draft pick! In Reese We Trust.

by cjmulrain on Jan 12, 2009 7:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Plax

We will have to have a full Plax discussion here some time soon. It will be a test for Reese, I know that.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely written, Ed

Great summary of the year and thanks for putting it in the proper perspective. I will back myself off the bridge now.

On a side note. I joined this site back in early December (I found it by pure accident) and I have very much enjoyed reading/responding to what all of you have had to say over the past month and I am looking forward to all the offseason discussion that is to come. It really is a great site for Giants fans.

by BigBlue4Life on Jan 12, 2009 8:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, Big Blue

We will look forward to having you around. My brain is filled with off-season stuff to talk about right now, so there should be plenty going on around here.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frustration.

No one would be upset if Philly came to town, pushed the Giants all over the field & left with a win. That did not happen. If before the game you would be told that Westbrook would run for under 50 yards, Jacobs would have 92, Mc Nabb would have his lowest passer rating for the season & throw two picks you’d be thinking BIG BLUE BLOWOUT!

So what happened? If the Eagles didn’t beat the Giants then who did? The prime suspect is Gilbride. He underutalised Jacobs. The Eagles couldn’t stop him between the tackles, Gilbride stopped him by not running him. Manning had a bad game but it was a bad game because he was asked to do things that had little hope of success given down, distance & conditions. That kind of failure is only rewarded on the Giants & on Wall Street. It looks like we’ll need a new defensive coordinator, may as well get a new offensive one too. Kevin Gilbride must go.

by GiantsCauseway on Jan 12, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good game everyone.

I know I gotta have some major rocks to come on your blog after a win. But, I’m not hear to brag. I wanted to say that I beleived that the Giants have a great team and a good orgination. I give you all the credit you deserve.

I actually thought that the Eagles could easily lose, being that the Giants were the number 1 ranked team and are defending champs.

But, please consider, the Eagles were no push over. Our record did not indicate our ability. We lost 3 or 4 games on 3 or 4 yards this year. I think that we deserve some respect, but it shouldn’t come as a surprise that we are playing well. We are simply converting better on 3rd down.

I think that the Giants receivers played exceptionally bad, I thought that running the ball as much as you did actually hurt your team, because you were running out the clock for the Eagles. Also, I think that you should keep Plexiglass, he is a hard guy to defend. Our secondary hates having to play him.

Over all, I wanted to just congratulate you guys on a great season. I hope to engage in some good postings with you guys next season. I don’t hate the Giants the way I hate the Cowboys. So you guys are OK with me.

One questions, if you had to pick a team that is remaining, be honest who do you pick?
(It doest have to be Philly, but give me your honest answer, I want to gage opinions of the remaining teams, but I need an unbias , outside of Philly answer)

Soo you guys next year.

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Jan 12, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Philly

If I had to choose I am thinking it will be an Eagles-Steelers Super Bowl. The ‘All-Pennsylvania Bowl.’

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say Pittsburgh

would probably be favored. But, that’s a great matchup.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Yo, I'm rooting

for the Cards. Nothing against the Eagles, but with Warner at QB, it’s the best story left. Wait, even if he wasn’t, it’s the best story.

by blue gonz on Jan 12, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate the Cards, when I was young, you used to adopt bad teams and root for them.

So when they become good, you can say you used to root for them when they sucked. I guess its a pitty thing.

But obviously I am a true Eagles fan to the bone.

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Jan 12, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

They’ve earned my respect the last two weeks.

by Woogie526 on Jan 12, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

when i think about this game today

and weeks, months, years from now, i’ll always remember that 3rd and 20 that Philly converted.

think about when that play occurred – Big Fred had just gotten a “look-what-i’ve-got” pick to start the half and the Giants took back the lead with a field goal. A holding call helped pin Philly back deep in their own territory. on the play itself, McNabb is almost sacked about three times before getting loose and finding Curtis (i think). Eagles only got three on that drive, but the momentum shift that would’ve come with a 3 & out there was huge.

give credit to McNabb. he found a way to win the game despite Westbrook getting completely neutralized.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It was Avant (99% sure), and that play aged me about 10 years unnecessarily. As far as momentum goes, that was one of the biggest plays of the game.

by jswaa on Jan 12, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Ingram

I couldn’t help but flash immediately to the Mark Ingram play in the Super Bowl against the Bills.

That is a much happier memory.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet play

I actually just finished watching the America’s Game segment about the 1990 Giants a few days ago. Recommended if you haven’t already seen it.

by rzor on Jan 12, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ingram

sure has taken a loooong fall.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The 3rd and 20

I’m the first one to heap blame on Gilbride (as seen on my posts here) and Coughlin had a real tough game yesterday as well (WTF was he thinking with that challenge??)

But I gotta second-guess Spags a little on this one. He sends the house on the 3rd and 20 play which doesn’t get to McNabb and Avant has all the room in the world to get free. Then, on the 3rd and 10, he sends no one and McNabb has ALL FREAKIN DAY to find Buckhalter roaming free on the 2nd level. My thought is on that 3rd and 20 play, just protect the first down line; send no more than 5 guys and DO NOT give up the big play (shades of the Bears game where Thomas Jones picked up that 3rd and 23 on a draw play). But then on 3rd and 10, to get no pressure and allow DM ALL DAY to pick up a receiver – well that’s just tough to stomach.

(I still heap blame on Gilbride though – for the most part Spags dialed up a GREAT game yesterday; had Gilbride called 1/8 as good of a game we’d be singing a different tune, I do believe that)

by Cody K on Jan 12, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aw, no, SB, I don't want to think about it.

It was a great play by McNabb, a turning point, maybe the turning point fron the Eagles POV. The Giants had several turning points themselves. When Bradshaw tokk the opening kickoff 65 yards, I was thinking—blowout? When we couldn’t get seven (and the way we tried) I began to get that old feeling from the Wilderness Years. It kept building, so the wretched outcome didn’t come as a complete surprise.

by blue gonz on Jan 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yophillybro...

I think if the Cardinals win it will be considered an upset. I do think that Phoenix does present problems for them especially if Boldin comes back. I think the Eagles win but I cannot root for them. I believe Dawkins is the biggest cheap-shot artist in the league. So many spears with the helmet to players laying on the ground. I was a big fan of Mc Nabb at Syracuse but that telephone stunt was bush-league. I expect the Super Bowl to be Eagles-Steelers, I expect NBC executives to be plunging out of windows at 30-Rock if it’s Phoenix -Baltimore.

by GiantsCauseway on Jan 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It seems we're all in agreement as far as the game went.

No reason to dwell on it(although I’m still kind of sick over it). We can all pretty much move forward saying 1) a a top notch defensive line rotation is in order for the future. This unit was overtaxed at season end . 2) The Giants are in need of 2 additional top wide receivers, Amani is aging and Plax might not even be eligible to come back should the Giants decide to go that route. Hixon ( despite obvious progress),Smith and possibly the others should be regarded strictly as second tier, until they prove otherwise. 3) as its been for years our linebackers may be solid but, far from dominant. Were they hitting people as violently and as often as Phillys’?
  On the bright side as was mentioned Terrell Thomas seems to have a nice future strengthening the secondary. Most of the teams glaring needs can be quickly attained via free agency draft or trade.
  A lot of us said at the beginning of the year that making it to the playoffs was a satisfactory goal. The team still has enough talent to be perennial contenders and it’s comforting to know that Jerry Reese is in charge of making forthcoming decisions regarding personnel.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Jan 12, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A last word about Eli and Plax.

What was obvious yesterday is that Eli still needs to master the art of winning ugly, which is how you win games in the Meadowlands in December and January. Although Simms was never the natural athlete Eli is, he knew how to win under less than optimum conditions. In hindsight, having all those road playoff games last year – Tampa and Dallas in particular – was probably a blessing.

And anyone who still doubts the value of Plax to this team should just compare yesterday with the Packer game last year. It’s safe to say that those windblown, slightly off-the-mark passes to Hixon and Smith would have been caught by Burress.

by django48 on Jan 12, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

however that is the case at Giants Stadium, now that we’re moving to a new stadium, will that be the case too?

My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants gave me a Team

by Bajaserge on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid that will be the case. The stadium they played in

could have been a dome, as could the new one. The organization believes that lousy weather is a plus for the team, After YA, they understood they couldn’t win with an aerial circus and have always tried to have a great running game (operative word tried.) Damn, now we have one, probably the best ever, and yesterday we didn’t commot to it.

by blue gonz on Jan 12, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait. All of them? Safe to say?

I don’t think so, like that first one behind Smith and in the dirt. Granted, Plax ,might have hauled in some of them

by blue gonz on Jan 12, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plax might be back

Link it Up

I think he should be, but it remains to be seen if he’ll even be a free man next year, but I’d welcome him back, and you’d hope he’d be more humble.

Other things Id do:
1-Resign Jacobs, let Ward walk, draft a replacement to fit in b/t Bradshaw and Jacobs on the massive scale
2-Get at least 2 new LBs, Pierce had an awful year and we have needed an OLB for years now
3-Toomer- Steve Smith is ready to assume his role, that much is clear, but I’d bring him back at a lesser role, he can still contribute
4-Get a real Kicker-Tynes wasnt that good to begin with either, and Carney was a one year wonder
5-Keep Feagles-he just keeps getting it done
6-Write a heartfelt letter to Al Davis expounding Kevin Gilbrides magnanimous qualities and head coaching accumen

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 12, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A little perspective

Yes, yesterday’s loss was frustrating and galling. A little common sense playcalling and some halfway decent field goal kicking would have put the Giants in a good position to win that game. I will never understand why Gilbride called 3 pass plays with first and five inside two minutes to go in the first half. If he gives Jacobs the ball 3 times the likely outcome is that the Giants get a first down and have a chance to go for a td. Even if the eagles stop Jacobs 3 times, the Giants come away with 3 and the eagles get the ball back with about 30 seconds and no timeouts. That was just handing the Eagles 3 points without ever using your best offensive option.

But , let’s put the season in perspective. In the offseason the Giants defense lost their two best defensive linement, a starting safety, a starting linebacker, and a very competent back up linebacker. On offense they lost a tight end who for all his personality faults was a solid 50 – 60 catch a year guy and a strong blocker. Finally, as the season wore on, they lost their last marquee offensive player. It’s a credit to the organization and the players that they were able to play at as high a level as they did. How many other teams could have lost that much significant talent and still put up 12 wins against a murderous schedule? The team is just a big play receiver and a stud linebacker away from being a major force again next year — that and a little more intelligent play calling.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Jan 12, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that

More big play LB’s and WRs; less Kevin Gilbride.

by drunkUncle on Jan 12, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post

Nothing there to disagree with.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jacobs

I have to assume he was either playing in a lot of pain or at risk of causing a more serious injury; there has to be some reason why he wasn’t getting the ball more.

by JoshNY on Jan 12, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

with the sentiments about Gilbride. I think he killed us.

I’m looking forward to the draft.

I personally don’t think we need to go after a WR. I mean we had a lot of plays yesterday where our WR were wide open but the wind just played havoc with the ball. The very first play of the game Steve Smith was wide open but the wind took the ball. I think we need a playmaker at LB.

And in the words of Erni Acorsi, you can’t have too many pass rushers.

My biggest worry is what kind of hangover are we going to have after this season?

by John W on Jan 12, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LBs

I thought Blackburn did a decent job as a fill-in at outside linebacker. Didn’t he tip the pass that Robbins intercepted? I’m not saying he should be a starter, but having one of your special teams guys also be a capable backup on defense is valuable.

by JoshNY on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kudos to Corey Webster

I thought he saved our season….. I know you all did too.

by mahmoodzaky on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Offensive Questions:

Sorry, but I just have to pile it on Gilbride here:

(1) No touches for Bradshaw? Really? That’s like leaving Albert Pujols on the bench in the 9th inning when he’s available to pinch-hit.

(2) Why no RB screens? The one that Ward dropped doesn’t count. I’m talking about an old-fashioned draw in the defense, dump off to the RB screen.

(3) No slants all game. What’s the worse that could happen? Eli throws it incomplete? GMen didn’t throw ONE SLANT ALL DAY.

(4) Sal Paulontonio said this morning that because of the wind, at the half the Eagles made a big adjustment w/ McNabb: they switched him to all short drops and short throws. Uhhh….what do you think Gilbride’s adjustment was? (Aside from shifting from saying “Duhhhhhh” to "Derrrrrr"). Point is: Gilbride kept pushing the ball downfield on a day when EVERYONE KNEW that Eli wasn’t at his best from his 1st throw. I don’t get it. By this logic, Gilbride is insane (Albert Einstein: “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”).

(5) WTF WITH THE WILDCAT! Giants HAVE NOT run that play ALL YEAR! Yet you pull it out in a CRUCIAL 3rd and 3? Knowing the smaller size, yet speed advantage, that the Eagles LB’s have…and instead of pounding Hedgecock or even counter action with Snee – you try to run a sweep to the edge that fooled 0% of the people involved with and watching the game?? BRUTAL call. Brutal. Poor choice in both timing and thought. With smaller LB’s a punch in the mouth is what’s called for, NOT a “finesse” play.

Ugh. I’m just sick right now. I’m so angry with the coaching staff and with Eli. They had two weeks to come up with this game plan and their inability to have a back-up plan or even commit to the things that were working (hello, run game!!) are just shocking, really.

Settling in for a long and cold offseason……

by Cody K on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"No touches for Bradshaw? Really? That’s like leaving Albert Pujols on the bench in the 9th inning when he’s available to pinch-hit."

No it’s not. It’s really not at all. If we had Michael Turner and didn’t use him, that would be comparable. Albert Pujols is one of the very best hitters baseball right now, maybe in the history of baseball. Ahmad Bradshaw is not nearly on the same level.

Which isn’t to say I wouldn’t have given him some touches, I guess, but the analogy was poor.

by JoshNY on Jan 13, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

better analogy

it’s like leaving John Paxson on the bench late in the 4th when you’re losing (sorry for the dated reference, I’m having a tough time thinking of current “snipers” in the NBA)…he’s not the best all-around player, but late in the game he’s the guy on your team who can really be a difference maker.

by cjmulrain on Jan 13, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manning needs to learn to throw effectively on windy days.

I expect the Giants to play more home playoff games. I expect the new stadum will be as windy as the old stadium is in December and January. Eli is often ineffective on windy days at Giants stadium. Phil Simms learned to throw a tight spiral that was needed to be effective in Giants stadium. Eli is a hard worker and a good athlete; he should also be able to master windy conditions.If Eli is going to be effective in both September and December, then he needs to start practicing tomorrow and learn to throw on cold windy days in NJ. If Eli does not get better in the wind, the Giants may be better off without home field advantage.

by CNJGiants on Jan 12, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's a good point

The ball that he throws now gets absolutely killed in the wind.

by potroast on Jan 12, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet and sour

A sweet season to watch, but a sour end because it came at the hands of my personal #1 hated team. I think if this were a seven game series, though, we still would have lost. 3rd down conversions against our defense and the missed conversions by our offense were so frustrating.

If Hixon is a poor replacement on Plaxico’s routes, why hasn’t he been able to fill in for a different role to better suit his skillset?

by rzor on Jan 12, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's simple

He’s not as good. Period.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't what rzor asked, though, I don't think

You answered “why didn’t Hixon fill in effectively for Burress?” Rzor asked “why were we using Hixon as a direct replacement for Burress when he doesn’t have the same skill set?” That’s a separate question and an important one to consider when assessing Gilbride.

by JoshNY on Jan 13, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, how could skinny Hix with his super jets

fill in for a tall, big, physical WR like Plax? You’ve got to admit, though that a few times Gilbride tried to stretch the field with Hix. He and Eli didn’t connect. Hix dropped one beauty. Eli was way off target on the others. Eli has to practice throwing the long ball, although he might not have the rifle needed to be consistently successful with it

by blue gonz on Jan 13, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no Kudos

for the rumblin tumblin Fred Robbins?

by queler on Jan 12, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

He got that pick, but it was really blackburn knocking the ball to him. Look at the stats. Zero tackles on the day for big Fred — not even an assist. One lucky play is all he made.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 12, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that play

was hilarious though.

by cjmulrain on Jan 12, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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