Giants vs. Eagles, Open Thread
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 8:00 AM EST
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Print| NEW YORK GIANTS (12-4) | PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (10-6-1) |
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| Date: | January 11, 2009 |
Location: | East Rutherford, N.J. |
| Time: | 1 p.m. EST |
Stadium: | Giants Stadium |
| TV: | FOX |
Radio: | WFAN (660 AM) |
| Final Score: | Eagles 23, Giants 11 |
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Here is your Open Thread for today's New York Giants-Philadelphia Eagles divisional round playoff game.
We know what is at stake, and we know it should be a great game. Let's get a discussion going today that is worthy of the moment.
Enjoy the game. Go Giants!
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I think that the bye week will be a big factor today.
When the Eagles beat the Giants last month, the Giants were in the middle of a grueling stretch in which they had played six teams with winning records. Their third week bye came too early in the schedule to do them much good. Contrast that with the Eagles, who played a Thanksgiving night game the week before and had ten days to rest and prepare.
Now it’s the Eagles who are beat up and the Giants who are rested. Anything can happen when these teams meet, but the G-Men get the edge today.
Cards and Ravens
Turnovers were the difference in both games. How often does Carolina cough the ball up 6 times? And Baltimore was +3, negating the Titans’ clear statistical advantage.
Bye week
I think it was incredibly important for the Giants to have that bye. They were very worn down at the end of the regular season, with the grueling schedule and the fact that their bye came after Week 3 of the season. They needed the rest. Hopefully, that will translate into an effective Jacobs, and an active defensive line today.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna be at a supposedly pro-Giants bar
in Crystal City, VA, so I won’t be here during the game. Lets hope to see a lot of this:
GO BIG BLUE
Do you think that the Peyton and Eli commercials will stop being played when they’re both sitting at home watching the Championships games next week???
by GreenInBaltimore on Jan 11, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions
You should know.
McNabb was still pushing Campbell’s Soup on TV after all his failures.
touche
I am just ENTIRELY over Peyton Manning and 54 sponsored deals, landing him in every commercial break, on every major network. I just tosses Eli in there since i think we’re playing you guys today.
by GreenInBaltimore on Jan 11, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I actually
agree with you about Peyton. I never understood the national love affair with Peyton while everyone turned Tom Brady into a villain – think about it, Peyton was born to football royalty, handed the QB position at Tennessee, was drafted #1 overall, puts up big stats b/c his coach designed a system where he could throw the ball pretty much at will, was surrounded by all-pro and even hall of fame type receivers, and yet consistently lost the big games. Brady, by comparison, had to fight to the very end for the position at Michigan (competing with a freshman Drew Henson, b/c he was a more highly touted prospect), wasn’t drafted till the 6th round, was a backup who only got in b/c the star QB got hurt, led a team with no all-pro receivers to a Super Bowl in his first year starting, and then led that team, still with no great WRs to two more Super Bowls. It wasn’t till last year that they built the system around his arm. Seems to me like Brady would be the classic underdog, while Peyton is the guy that nobody should like, yet it was always the other way around.
All that said, ever since the Super Bowl last year I’ve become a big Peyton fan, and Brady started to get on my nerves.
Peyton
I think that his appeal is based less on his record than the fact that the guy genuinely comes off likable and funny on camera, with that deadpan sense of humor. I can’t see Brady going on camera with a fake mustache.
Yeah, you're right, 48.
Peyton seems to have inborn acting skills.
I think both Warner and Collins have story lines better than those of Manning and Brady. I always root for those two (if they’re not playng the Giants.) I’m indifferent to Manning and Brady (unless they’re playing Big Blue.)
That was brutal
I had to close my eyes.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the link
So far so good, the signal is ok but watchable
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Inactives
From Mike Garafolo, here are today’s inactives for the Giants.
GIANTS
RB Danny Ware
CB Rashad Barksdale
LB Gerris Wilkinson
OL Adam Koets
DE Dave Tollefson
DT Jeremy Clark
DT Leger Douzable
WR Mario Manningham
This means Lawrence Tynes and John Carney will be active today. MG also notes that Derek Hagan is active instead of Mario Manningham. Probably a move designed to aid the special teams. Hopefully, it pays off.
just saw that too
all the DB’s are healthy? that hasn’t happened in a while? off to the bar in Super Bowl winning Sehorn jersey.
Are you kidding? Everybody but Strahan picks the Eagles?
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions
yes I saw that, what's up with that???
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
Let's fu*kin crush them!!!!
Blow the hinges off this BITCH boys. Show the nation why you are the DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPIONS.
we're always stuck with aikman or the moose
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good game??
and Aikman says maybe. I can’t believe this guy
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
let's go
5 minute drive, ending in a touchdown. Who’s with me?
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions
almost like the last time
we played them here, TD on a kickoff
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
that was all eli
that was a duck coming out of his hand
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
can they hit a FG
into the wind from here?
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I am not sure they trusted Carney with this wind
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I figured they would've punted it,
tried to pin the Eagles deep.
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Although now that I think about it,
that made no sense with the field position. I’m too excited to think clearly!
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
we need more from eli
and we need TDs, not FGs
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions
he gave him the 1st play of the drive, and eli floated it up there
but enough negativity. Let’s go D.
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Gilbride better not
be trying to pad his resume with these passes into the wind!
good omen
there was an uncalled facemask on the kick return in the Super Bowl. And that drive ended in a FG, too.
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Great coverage
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if you're going to hit a guy out of bounds
at least make sure he doesn’t come back and get a hit on the ballcarrier.
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions
INT
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i had a bad feeling
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
Eli
I’m not killing him for that. It’s a terrible play call to go that deep with a throw into the wind w/bad field position. The penalties are ticking me off, though. This is not how the Giants got here.
I agree
I thought that was a horrible play call.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Turnovers have been the death knell for every losing team in the playoffs so far.
Get the ball and run it. Eli throwing into the wind on his own 12 isn’t a smart play call. Get back to basics here.
Geesh
He rotates with Ward anyway. This was a DW series, that’s all,
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Go Jeff Feagles!
Dude was on the original Tecmo Super Bowl. Therefore, he’s awesome
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Can someone tell me exactly
what these “G” commercials are for? I’ve seen a bunch of them but I can’t, for the life of me, figure out what they are!
The Officilals
As a Cowboy fan I hate the both of you, but it’s apparent that this crew is leaning towards a Eagle. It’s getting as bad as basketball.
I see things you don't see.
Came real close to stripping McNabb
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no they had a 1st down pass on their 1st play
other than & the short TD drive, they’ve moved backwards
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, more like just a ridiculous AMOUNT of fouls
That one was legit. But where was all of these calls when Dawkins molested Ward under the pile?
No kidding
The helmet to helmet after he is down BS has to stop.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
come on with those stupid penalties!!!!
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
that's what I am talking about, BJ and more BJ
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
Can't enjoy the game
this crew didn’t waste any time screwing this game up. I’m sick already
I see things you don't see.
JUST overthrew him
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I think that wasn't the original play call
Smith just had Samuel and Dawkins beat so bad that Eli threw it anyway.
Good punt coverage
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I think we know for sure
that Gilbride is auditioning for his own head coaching jobA
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
Im fighting off the pessimism, but its not going to well so far
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ours has been worse
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safety!?
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Safety, Grounding
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YESSSSSSSSSSS
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haha, nice
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With that shot of him
looking confused. I’d say you’re right.
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well played
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7-5, we just need a two run double to tie it up
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agree man, I just can't either
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
no penalties on that one, thats a start
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now if we can start running the ball
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team
if Gildbride keeps being so pass-happy
I am going to fill his pockets full of rocks and drop him in the Hudson
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Wouldn't you maroon him on a desert island with a gun and a single bullet in his sweatpants?
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
i cant wait till Gilbride is gone so I dont have to see these sweeps anymore
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well when you have the biggest damn RB in the league, it doesnt add up
go straight at em
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At least we've been controlling the ball relatively well
meaning our defense won’t get too tired out, right?
I haaaaaate those sweeps.
You have a 265 pound running back, and you’ve going to make him run 10 yards to the sideline first?
but why throw deep in these swirling winds?
somebody needs to get in his face & tell him to throw short.
was shooting ones self in the thigh really that bad of an offense?
god i hope he comes back next year
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Missed it
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I thought Tynes was on for long FG?
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Plenty of distance
Just pulled it
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Unfortunately
only the scoreboard counts. I am bugged by the passing game. The wind is killing Eli and they need to go shorter. On the plus side, guys are getting open.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
he wears a Revolution
Eli used to wear it at one point too. Anti-concussion helmet, should be mandatory IMO.
this does not look good
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Arm Punt there
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i hate that f***ng guy
My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants gave me a Team
Yesterday's TEN/BAL was great defense. This game is just bad offense from both sides
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But not GREAT defense
The weather definitely is having a huge factor though.
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Wildcat
It is like the Wildcat all over again
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you ED
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That's a tough call
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McKenzie's hurt
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goddammittt
first and five and second and five and two stupid passes….. ruuuun the ball!!!!!
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somebody fire up firegilbride.com
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Kick the field goal
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I think we all knew...
That this was how this game was going to play out.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, with the penalty
I was just happy we didn’t give up 7.
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I really wanted the lead at the half
I hate dominating games everywhere but the scoreboard.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
It’s something the Giants never do. They played soft all the way down the field and gave up an easy three.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about you but I've seen them play 6 DB's and rely on the front four to pressure
against the two minute drill. Osi and Tuck and Strahan getting sacks before the half doesn’t mean the Giants were aggressive in coverage downfield.
Most frustrating first half ever?
An inept offense that has been able to move about 5 yards all half has 10 points to show for it? 90% luck as far as I can see.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions
Eli is struggling
with the wind. He doesn’t throw a tight spiral or have a big, cannon of an arm. Gotta throw more of the short screens and pound the ball. Be nice if we could get a turnover from McNabb, too.
This game is too much like Ravens-Titans for comfort.
Until that last drive, we’ve outplayed them by a wide margin. I don’t think Spags should have gone to the prevent with so much time left and the wind in our favor. The D has to keep attacking, no matter what. We’ve got to run more. Eli just doesn’t have it today, and as Major points out, BJ is doing okay.
Big man with a football!
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wait, should we have the wind in the 2nd and 4th quarters?
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Mark your calenders, three months till the draft
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hey, i want them to win
but we’ve all seen this movie before
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I know. I am frustrated too
but if you expected anything different than this I think you were kidding yourself.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
true, i'll my bite my tongue from now on
and keep my fingers crossed!
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LOL.
I sense a Donovan McNabb-Campbell soup commercial coming.
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Robbins got hosed in the pro bowl voting
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are you kidding me
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I can't wait....
to hear the excuses made for Kevin Killdrive now.
by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 11, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions
Tuck's down
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me too
either team is one big play away from breaking it open.
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck, not Tuck!
Oh, just so you know, DVR sez that the Eagles o-line put at least ONE giants d-line blitzer in a fucking bear hug at the line of scrimmage on the McNabb ‘miracle’ 3rd and 20.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Probably so
But Kevin Boothe also got away w/a mugging in the first half. We all know there is holding on every single play somewhere. The officials are not beating the Giants, they are beating themselves.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Best thing that could happen....
is for Kevin Killdrive to get violently i’ll and have to leave the game.
God, I hope he is either fired of named Raiders HC.
by Intellectual Derriere on Jan 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions
Gilbride
is not having a good day. But he is not the only problem.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Giants can't tackle without being flagged, and Dawkins can launch like a missile at whoever he wants
sounds fair.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions
That's not the problem
The problem is the Giants can’t get any pressure on McNabb w/out completely selling out with the blitz. Any RB is going to run away from a LB if McNabb can sit back in the pocket for half an hour.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I would say Dawkins throwing his helmet into people without a flag
is a huge problem, too.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
reminding me too much of last time
Giants get the Eagles in third down and long but can’t stop them. Settling for FGs is never agood idea….
Fire Girardi! Paul O'Neill for manager!
With the way our Giants are playing,
it’s not much consolation.
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Pass rush
I just don’t want to see any more 3 or 4-man pass rush. Forget it. Sell out and try to make something happen.
Clock management still scaring me with Eli.
How many times have we called TO because the play didn’t get called in time?
at least once a game
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Gilbride cant eat and talk at the same time
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too many
But Peyton does something similar. They take that time to read as much of the defense as they can and see if they can pick something up. I do agree; it happens to often that the clock gets to :01 and i yell at the screen.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I just don't watch as many Colts games
but I don’t know that Peyton calls half as many time outs in those situations.
by NYinCalifornia on Jan 11, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton
Honestly, as a Colts fan, it seems like they blow a timeout a half with that.
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Jeez...
Is that the 5th or 6th sweep in a row?
why bother activating Tynes?
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why isn't tynes kicking that?
what was the point of activating him. the coaching in this game on the giants side has been HORRIBLE>
yeah, but what are the odds of that happening
the offense has been shit since plax shot himself
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C'mon defense.
Show them what you’re made of. Don’t let the announcers be right and give Westbrook ANYTHING.
Forget the missed field goal
I would have punted there…go for a safety or something. Hahaha.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions
wow
when does spring training start…..this is such b.s.
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come on, make a play D
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what has happened to Pierce this year?
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wait, how do we not have the wind in the 4th?
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The D looks gassed
and this is ALL gilbride’s fault. he doesn’t want ot stick w/jacobs & this is what we are getting.
and plax, dont forget him
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Shitty play calling, stalling offenses, shaky Eli
and a whole lot of gift-wrapping for the Eagles from the Refs.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions
anyone else concerned that eli seem unable to play here in the winter?
i hope this new stadium is such a wind tunnel
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Won't win that challenge
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if they lose this challenge
they have to go for it.
by long time listener on Jan 11, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions
Short
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Well that was a nice season while it lasted
Go get us a WR Reese
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i dont know why they hired him in the first place
he was horrible in SD and Buffalo in all roles
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Gilbride
You guys might as well forget the ‘fire Gilbride’ stuff. It’s a waste of energy. Criticize him for today, but he is not getting fired. It isn’t gonna happen. Oh, and the Giants did win a Super Bowl w/him calling the plays.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Its the players that made him look good
we’ve seen how poor they are w/o Burress and Manning got on an incredible streak last january, and had he had to play three games in NJ, I dont know that we wouldve even made it to the superbowl
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Ward's going into beast mode
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Im surprised there was no sweep on that play
we gotta get a WR this offseason, BAD
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Turnover, missed field goals
The INT and two missed FGs are a 13-point swing, and that’s your ballgame right there.
I know the run is working
but when you do it every play, it doesn’t.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions
I'm sorry Ed
but every time the Giants are in short yardage they do exactly the opposite of what i think they should do. i know i’m not an OC, but gilbride sucks. these are exactly the type of situations that i’ve ALWAYS complained about his play calling.
If it doesn't work it sucks
if it works it’s great. On that last 4th down play Jacobs had a hole to his left and missed it. I know Gilbride is going to get killed today.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Squid
Provided, of course, that you give him the credit he deserved for the Super Bowl run, and for the fact that the Giants won the NFC East this season.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
hes awful, trust me, I know many Bills fans who can attest to that
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Exactly
It seems like first down, we try a screen pass. Then second down, a deep throw. Then third down, an effing sweep.
Play calls
You know what, the ‘best’ offensive line in football got beat on the two biggest short-yardage plays of the season. Forget the play calls. If they are that good they make it work.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
That 3rd and 20 conversion they got
was just as big as the INT, I think.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
True
McNabb made an unbelievable play on that one. It always seems like Philly QBs do that to us. Sorry, bad dreams of Cunningham still haunt me.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
It hurts
but we did win the Super Bowl last year so we can’t be too broken up. Congrats to the Eagles.
of course we can
they blew a 12-4 season and a chance at history
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Correction
Plaxico blew an 11-1 season.
This was the time to build a dynasty, not lose in our first round to a team that had to have God intervene in two games on the last day of the season to gimp their way into the playoffs.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Of course we could have
but I think his bullshit midseason drama was tiki-esque in throwing the team off the tracks. They haven’t been the same team since that crap happened.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed on Plax
though i still dont think what he did merits getting thrown off the team, but from the minute he signed here, we were a more explosive team….now we’re essentially back to the Toomer/Hilliard days…..no explosion or deep threats whatsoever
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Give the Eagles credit
I know we hate to, but ‘c/mon. They have played a terrific game. They made the plays, we didn’t. Let’s not go jumping off the bridge. You simply don’t win the Super Bowl every year.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Philly deserves the credit
Their defense played great. No one on the Giants made a play. 2 missed FGs, a horrible INT, bad officiating, Two 4th downs they were stopped, a great Philly Defense and just enough offensive plays by Philly result in a win.
As I said on their blog. Can’t root for them, but I do wish them luck. They played a great game.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You're too nice
I wish no one on any team I’m not rooting for luck.
I’m bitter as fuck, and I hope Tonya Harding’s husband is a Cardinals fan, and that he has a personal vendetta against Donovan McNabb.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Bitter?
C’mon. We won a Super Bowl last year and had a terrific regular season. It’s a disappointing finish, obviously, and not what we hoped for. But, I can’t be bitter. We got beat, it happens.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Of course I can be bitter
you watch an entire season where we played like the best team all year, probably on the verge of building a mini-dynasty, and we just fall to shit at the end of the year, culminating in a loss to a team that has to thank God every day to even be in the playoffs.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Plax
This team was never the same without Cheddar Plax. Eli missed him a lot and the Giants need to look to replace him this offseeason.
We will talk about that a lot
in the coming weeks.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Give Kiwanuka and a first rounder for Calvin Johnson
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
do the Lions do that
They already have a bunch of picks because of the Roy Williams trade. Maybe they keep and build around CJ.
well you cant really start a team with a WR
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Bad Eli showed up today.
I don’t blame Plaxico for this. How many receivers did he miss in the 1st hald?
Save the neck for me, Clark.
Eli
I think there were too many deep throws. Not all his fault, but he didn’t play well.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think him having twins just at the right moment
in his life settled him down, and he is playing well. I also like him if for no other reason than Rush Limbaugh doesn’t. Still, I don’t care for his antics whatsoever.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
to victors go the spoils
Today he’s the Victor. Having lived in Philly McNabb is a class act and one of the reasons people like taking shots at him.
I'm not following -
you’re saying people in Philly like to take shots at McNabb BECAUSE he’s a class act? That makes no sense, other than Philadelphians being a-holes.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
Tough season guys, this was such a waste
Honestly, I would fire Kevin Gilbride. Too much passing in this game cost them. The defense did what they could and the offense sucked.
PLAYOFFS?!
I don't consider it a waste.
I’ve had a great ride with the G-men for the past year. It had to end sometime, I guess, I just wish it wasn’t today. Had we won today and then gagged against the Cardinals next week I’d probably feel even worse.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
And while I'm in bitter rant mode
I’d also like to say “fuck the NFL” for its awful playoff format and seeding system…the system that has thus far given home field advantage to the wrong teams consistently, has allowed teams in the playoffs that have no business there, and forced #1 seeds to play teams they have absolutely not business having to face.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions
There's nothing to agree with
this is straight logic.
We played Philly because of a zip code instead of a record. San Diego made the playoffs because of a zip code instead of a record. Indy had to play a team on the road that they were 4 games better than because of a Zip Code. Atlanta had to go on the road against a team two games worse because of a zip code. The #1 seed in both conferences played harder opponents with better records because of zip codes.
I come from this little place called logic…and while living here, I’ve determined that a team with a better fucking record deserves more than a team with a worse fucking record…not for that team to be cheated because their taxpaying fan base happens to reside in a location further located east or west or north or south. It’s called bullshit. I tried explaining why the NFL does the playoff system that they do to my non-football watching girlfriend, and she couldn’t understand for the life of her why the system would be so dumb…and I told her I don’t know either.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, the top seeds should go regardless of division
But hey, we did better than Dallas, which is always nice
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Kiss
Man, it is what it is. No system is ever perfect. So be it. We played lousy today. The Eagles played well. We lost. So be it.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's that attitude I dislike so much
when the fix is so simple, so logical, and so quick, why isn’t it done? When people just sit back and say “that’s jut the way it is, man,” that’s the whole reason it STAYS the way it is, rather than changing. This system isn’t perfect, and neither is any real alternative, but it SURE THE HELL would make a huge improvement over what we have right now.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
smh
dude are you serious? you lost. don’t be a crybaby about it.
teams that shouldn’t be in? psssssh
go get burped, have your diaper changed, and then come back and re-evaluate this post.
4th and 26!!!!
It's called logic and reason
apply it to your life some time…the difference it’ll make is staggering.
Congrats on your eventual loss to one of 3 AFC teams, all superior to your’s.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 11, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Easy, King
Stay classy in victory, please!
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Damn...
Dude is sleepin?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions
we should deliberately avoid home field advantage next year
Eli cant handle the wind, that much is clear
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I would say "hasn't learned yet how to master it"
as opposed to “can’t.” Maybe we can bring in Phil Simms to tutor him or something.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
this about says it
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
or hope its not as bad at the new digs
anyone have any idea if it is, I know its in the same park
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Eli
I think part of it is he just doesn’t have that cannon arm that can cut through it. His arm is good, but it’s not John elway rocket.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Either way
Shorter routes would have been more productive. The long throws just weren’t going to happen. He made one good one, that’s it.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Eli's next spiral will be his first
and this game was lost the instant Plax shot himself in the leg. He was eli’s security blanket, without Plax, manning is nothing special.
I don't think its the strength...
As he showed in several plays, Eli can bomb the ball. The problem was his accuracy with what should have easily been four interceptions by the eagle. The only reason there were only two INTs is because the eagles defense had hands of stones when it came to unexpected balls.
The Lions?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
lol! A little late there.
Weirdest postseason ever.
I vote Cardinals. They haven’t ever won a superbowl.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
I figured a little humor was in order ;-)
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
gotta be Arizona
Warner was good for the Giants, he never complained when they replaced him
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Joe_D
Congrats on the win. Now, please, go celebrate and let us be miserable on our own.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
And people wonder why Philly fans are thought of as being socially challenged.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
Exactly. Philadelphia Eagles may have won but Philadelphia fans always...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was never confident
for the record…ha
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
This has been the weirdest postseason ever.
If the Steeler’s lose today, all four teams with a first round bye would have lost. I think now you have to go for the Cards, a team that’s never even sniffed the Super Bowl.
Although the Giants won today, I still give them props for a great season as a marked team. It’s tough these days to repeat and the Giants handled the pressure admirably for most of the year. The Giants, while I don’t like ‘em, are a class organization. Can’t say the same about the Eagles.
Go Cardinals!!!!
Funny that any fan thinks they can speculate about what is and isn’t a “class organization”, especially one whose team is the definition of a classless, back-stabbing, finger-pointing bunch of cowards.
Enjoy your offseason in classy Dallas.
Green
Go have that argument at Blogging the Boys. Brandon showed some class stopping by. Leave it be, and stay classy in victory.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
But I take exception to what is clearly a cheapshot at the Eagles organization on a day in which they performed admirably. I content that Brandon could have made his point about respecting the Giants, and left it at that.
it was a good game.
i hate hate eli’s face. he always has this look on like it’s not his fault, it’s everybody else’s.
anywho, GO EAGLES
4th and 26!!!!
Kevin Gilbride Strikes again
I hope Gilbride leaves to the raiders because I am so sick of his play calling.
Gilbride
I know today wasn’t his finest hour. But, I will say over and over and over this game is not entirely on him. The opportunities were there, and the plays did not get made.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Bummer
Off to the gym to burn out my frustration.
Weird playoffs.
Cards could beat Eagles
If Cards win SB, Warner will go to HOF.
Based on our last few games, maybe we should have seen this coming.
Wait’ll next year!
Yep .. weird
All the favorites are going down. Just shows you that it’s an unpredictable game. Still, we had a shot and we have a team that will have a shot for years to come.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Still, at least we can enjoy this...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions
i just put up a fan post about it
but, Philly fans your going to feel the same way if the Phillies don’t win the series next year, you’ll still be too high from last year to care, that’s how I still feel
i always hate the
“well we just won last year” argument, but i agree with you that 2007 is the exception to that rule. that was such a great run. sure this loss stings, but there will be other seasons. what really sucks for me being an IU (Indiana University) and Knicks basketball fan, i’m basically in hibernation until pitchers and catchers report.
LET’S GO YANKEES!
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 11, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
April can't come soon enough.
Thanks for another great year, Ed. See you over at Bugs & Cranks.
Cool
I’ll be here throughout the off-season, too. This is still my favorite place.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Of course I'll be checking in here from time to time.
We’ll have a lot to discuss this off-season, the WR situation, Jacobs’ and Ward’s impending free agency, Spags, possible FA pickups, the draft. Fortunately, we have a team that’s pretty solid in most areas, and we’re talking about a few tweaks here and there rather than a complete overhaul.
You said it yourself a while back. This season must be considered a success even without a second straight title.
Still, I would have liked to continue my daily BBV ritual another three weeks
weirdest statistic ever?
i can’t believe that.
what offsets Westbrook’s lack of production was the fact that they were 5,567 of 5.568 (99.9%) on third-down conversions.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 11, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Carney
Was the second kick blocked, or did Carney’s age finally catch up with him? It looked blocked but I’m not sure. Still, 2 of his three missed kicks were in the same playoff game? Embarrassing…
Not blocked
He just didn’t have the leg to make that kick into the wind. Tynes should have been out there. His lack of leg strength finally hurt the Giants.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
You know what sucks
I’m not even looking forward to baseball season. After the way the last two years have ended, I wish the next NFL season would just start right back up. And baseball’s always been my favorite sport.
btw, it's times like these
I wish New York basketball didn’t die this decade…The Knicks suck, St. John’s sucks, and even NY High School basketball is way down. There’s only 1 NY team in the Top 100 nationally…usually there’s like 5 or 6 at least.
have faith my friend
the time is almost here…
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 11, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
there's only one team in new york
and that’s even if the Nets move to Brooklyn. nobody cares about them.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 11, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not if the Cavs
win the title this year.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if I agree with that
part of me feels like if he wins in Cleveland, he’ll say “ok, now it’s time to prove how great I am, by leaving the champs and going to a terrible franchise and single-handedly turning them around.” Of course, that could just be wishful thinking on my part.
And besides, if not Lebron, Dwyane Wade is a nice consolation prize
Baseball/football
It’s funny, earlier this year Ed wondered whether if our two cities had the chance to swap your NFL title for our MLB title… we just might have done it.
Osi
Osi’s injury finally came back to haunt us. You just can’t lose two big gun’s like Strahan and Osi and still expect the same results. The decrease in sacks was evident and it also screwed up our rotation.
Ernie Acorsi was right you can’t have too many pass rushers.
I don’t care what anyone says I think Kevin Gilbride’s playcalling in the first half killed us in the end. They ran the ball well until they got in the red zone and then they just abondoned the run. And throwing the ball with our backs to the endzone into the wind was stupid.
two key moments
3rd and 20 on the PHI 20 – Giants just got 3 off of Big Fred’s INT, had McNabb sacked but let him loose and the Eagles end up with 3 on the drive.
1st and 5 on the PHI 23 – Giants draw Eagles off-sides then call three consecutive passing plays resulting in a net total of zero yards and have to settle for 3.
that 3rd and 20 conversion was a huge momentum swing.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 11, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
The throw by Eli
that turned into a pick and led to the Eagles first score was maybe the stupidest play call of the season. That was Jacobs time right there.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations Giants Fans!
I’m a Cowboys fan just so we have full disclosure. You guys had a great team and a great year…I wish my team would have played as well as yours did this season. I know what it feels like to have your season end before it should, it’s just frustrating. The Giants will be back in form next year, and I hope the Cowboys can give them a run for their money.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Thank you
Yes, this season feels like it ended before it was supposed to. We were in position to accomplish so much more, and it just didn’t happen.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tough end for season
Being an Eagles fan I can say the Eagles have exceeded my expectations this season and I sure most Giants fans are disappointed by not going further in the playoffs. But I got to say the Giants were the best team in the NFC for most of the season. And I truly enjoy reading the insightful posts on this board the past week. Better luck next season.
Things I learned
1. Gilbride still has some work to do on play calling. Some of the choices today did not give Eli, the WRs and The RBs the best chance to make a play.
2. A talented WR does not equate a #1 WR. Although I was ready to chuck Burress under the bus, I think I underestimated his impact on this offense. At times a lackadaisical route runner, sometimes dropped easy passes, but the mentality of a #1 WR and the ability to make that big play is what separates a talented WR from a number 1 WR. I would have like to have seen some plays to Moss today, but that is just because he did not get anything and he is perfect for some short, quick slant routes.
3. This defense is still great. The DBs are awesome, The interior and exterior linemen and good if not great even with only recording one sack (?) today.. If we can continue to draft great pass rushers and get some depth at LB, it will continue to stay great.
4. The redzone and 4th and inches need some work. They had been great on 3rd down this year or at least it feels that way with Smith emerging and I can not remember having a 4th and inches problem, but settling for FGs and getting blasted twice on 4th and inches can’t be allowed. Something needs to be done to be more effective in these situations.
5. I do not think any thing drastic needs to be done with this team. I would not be surprised to see Gilbride gone and they do need a #1 WR if Burress is done. i do not think a Kiwanuka for Calvin Johnson is a god trade for either team. He can solve some of the Giants LB depth next yr with Osi back. He is very versatile and guys like that are extremely valuable.
Thanks for all the fun conversations this year. I wish it had ended on a better note, but we got beat by a better team today. Trust me, I hate saying that since the Cowboys are the only team I despise more than the Eagles.
Ed and Jrs, great blog. I will be back on draft week and to see what everyone else thought the problem was today.
Thanks.
by losangelesmets on Jan 11, 2009 10:06 PM EST reply actions
#4
It’s usually the case that two opposing fans will see the same play differently. One guy thinks his team didn’t make a play, while the other sees it that his team did make a play.
So with that in mind I’d invite you to consider that your 4th & 1 problem was that you were facing the #3 run defense in football. This was a great rushing team against a great run stopping team. Something had to give.
I think if there’s one matchup to look at on those two plays it was Bunkley vs O’Hara. Bunkley won that battle both times.
I'll agree
that Bunkley beat O’Hara. But we averaged 4.3 yards per carry, so it’s not like your vaunted run defense shut us down. Those were, IMO, bad play calls (at least the Eli sneak was…the Jacobs one was just a bad read on Jacobs’ part, if he’d cut left he gains 5 yards). Our run game was doing just fine against you guys – the problem was our coaches didn’t stick with it. I’m sure that’s a problem you’re sympathetic to.
#3 rushing DEF
Jason, you guys have a great Def. I have no problem admitting that. They forced our offense into mistakes by making plays. However, given our success in this game rushing and the fact that we have one of the best Offensive lines in football (Eli had as much time as he wanted in the pocket today even on all out blitzes), I believe we should always make 4th and 6 inches.
The 4th and 2 play. Know I said get it t Jacobs all game long, and as cj said, the lane was seemingly there, he just went the wrong way. I don’t know if he would have made it; it seemed clear and I am certain less pissed at missing the 4th and 2 than the 4th and 6 inches.
All in all, the Giants settles all season long for too many FGs. I think the evidence is clear given Carney’s successful year though rarely ever used for a kick over 45 yds. It was not just a statement for this game, but in general.
by losangelesmets on Jan 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
we won
In an ironic twist the NFL merged with the PGA to form PFGL – Pro Footgolf League. Rules are you play a game of football and the team w/ the lowest score wins…so Giants win!!!!
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