'Kudos & Wet Willies,' overtime edition
I know there was lots of gnashing of teeth Sunday during the New York Giants' 26-23 overtime victory over Cincinnati. I know the Giants are the better team and should have won by more than that.
I know. I know. I know. Yet, I am absolutely thrilled today. The Giants are 3-0 after winning a game that -- prior to last year's post-season run -- I have no doubt they would have lost.
The poise of Eli Manning late in the fourth quarter and in overtime was a welcome sight. There were no stupid plays, no bickering, no going backwards thanks to penalties.
Time and time again there was resilience. The Giants were challenged and responded. So, I feel great about what I saw Sunday.
Now on to the 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'

- The Giants' Geritol Generation:
- John Carney -- Two field goals, including the game winner. Carney has been perfect this season. I know guys should not lose their jobs because of injury, but I am campaigning as of now for Carney to remain as the Giants' field goal kicker for the rest of the season. It appears Carney will be gone soon, though.
- Sam Madison -- The old man of the defensive backs, more assistant coach than player these days, came off the pines in the second half with Kevin Dockery getting whipped to make a couple of big plays, including an open-field tackle and knocking a pass.
- Reuben Droughns -- He's an afterthought among Giants' running backs, but he scooped up a bouncing kickoff Sunday and returned it 34 yards. He also made a nice solo tackle on a kickoff return. You have to love Droughns. He has been a big-time player in the NFL, but now he does whatever the Giants ask him to do.
- John Carney -- Two field goals, including the game winner. Carney has been perfect this season. I know guys should not lose their jobs because of injury, but I am campaigning as of now for Carney to remain as the Giants' field goal kicker for the rest of the season. It appears Carney will be gone soon, though.
- Eli Manning: The numbers are great (26-of-43, 289 yards, one touchdown) but it was the fourth quarter and overtime performance that was special. He led a late drive to bring the Giants from behind, then made a brilliant throw to Amani Toomer in overtime while getting smashed in the mouth to put the Giants in position to win. Eli has grown up, there is no question about it.
- Derrick Ward: Go ahead and keep calling for more Ahmad Bradshaw, but if that means less Ward that's not really helping the Giants.Sunday he had 9 carries for 80 yards and three catches for 26 yards. Seems like every time they hand him the ball Ward is ripping off huge chunks of yardage.
- Kevin Boss: The second-year tight end finally made an impact on the Giants' passing attack, and did it in a big way. A 26-yard catch, the go-ahead touchdown catch in traffic late in the fourth quarter and three catches total for 51 yards. Stop worrying about the tight end position, Giants' fans.
- Steve Smith: The second-year wide receiver has become the Giants' primary possession receiver. He is always open and he always catches the ball, allowing the Giants to continue to move the chains. Sunday Smith had a career-high seven catches for 60 yards.
- Amani Toomer: Gotta give it up for Toomer, making the brilliant catch along the sideline in overtime to set up the game-winning field goal. Oh, and five catches for 64 yards is not a bad day's work.
- Antonio Pierce: Twelve tackles for the Giants' middle linebacker, one of his best days as a Giant.
- Giants' pass rush: Six sacks, two from Fred Robbins and one each from Barry Cofield, Corey Webster, Mathias Kiwanuka and Dave Tollefson.
Wet Willies to ...
- Kevin Dockery: I know some of you guys are going to argue with me on this one. Dockery did have nine tackles, so his stats looks fine. Fact is, though, most of those tackles came chasing down wide open receivers he failed to cover. The Bengals attacked him -- successfully -- until defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo gave him a seat in favor of Madison.
- James Butler: I really didn't want to give him a 'Wet Willie.' I thought he played pretty well, but he did give up the 17-yard touchdown pass to T.J. Houshmandzadeh that nearly cost the Giants the game. Even if he did have pretty good coverage on the play.
- Brandon Jacobs: The big fella had 14 carries for 35 yards, a 2.5-yard average. Maybe not all his fault since the Bengals stacked the line to stop him, but the numbers are what they are.
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wow
if the Giants cut Carney, then i’m going to flip out.
Carney is leading kickers in points (35), makes (9), and is the only player perfect on more than seven kicks this season. Tynes is terrible – you know it, i know it. give the old guy a chance.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 22, 2008 6:29 AM EDT 0 recs
Carney
From everything I read, it is pretty much a lock that Tynes will the kicker after the bye week.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 8:47 AM EDT
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i just don't understand what Tynes has done
to “earn” this job.
you know, besides connecting on 33% of his attempts in the fourth quarter and overtime of the NFC Championship game at Lambeau last season.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on
Sep 22, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
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I hear you
I find it very difficult to cut Carney, who is a better kicker than Tynes, because of Tynes’ kick in Green Bay. I will stand on that statement. Remember later this season when Tynes misses a big kick. Carney is better. He will have a job the day after the Giants cut him.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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Did you catch the shot on TV of Carney without his helmet on?
He looked like Darth Vadar when he took his mask off….but who cares as long as he splits the uprights…..LOL
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 22, 2008 6:47 AM EDT 0 recs
Dockery
Has been getting burned consistently (he missed plays last week too) and needs to be benched. I’d much rather see Madison out there right now.
Great to see Boss get in on the action. And a win is a win is a win. The Gmen didn’t play their best game, but we won’t remember that down the road.
by potroast on Sep 22, 2008 7:51 AM EDT 0 recs
Agreed
if I’m an offensive coordinator I attack Dockery every time I see him on the field. The Bengals did, with a lot of success. Let Madison play until his body gives out.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 8:48 AM EDT
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Where is Terrell Thomas?
I haven’t seen/heard his name called all season…
by Cody K on
Sep 22, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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Inactive
Has a mastring injury and has been inactive all three games.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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Re: Jacobs
Yes he had a poor statistical showing but the o-line was losing the battle at that point, and the outside run from the Jumbo formation in the “green zone”.. I’ve never understood that with any running back.. let alone a guy with Jacobs’ size and strength and relative (heavy emphasis on relative) lack of speed and quickness.. brian westbrook could make that play, not Jacobs. He also softened up the D for D-Ward to come in and have a monster showing. I have a feeling that if Ward stays Healthy this season he could be looking at a nice check coming his way in free agency.
Those Columnists weren’t kidding when they said Fred Robbins was in great shape during the offseason.. he’s on pace to have over 21 sacks.. I know he’ll finish with 8-10 but if he plays half as well as he has the first 3 games it would be a crime if he doesn’t go to Hawai’i this year
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 22, 2008 8:15 AM EDT 0 recs
Jacobs
I know there just weren’t places for him to run. D-Ward found some, though.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
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dockery
i 100 percent agree about him.. i’d rather have will peterson/william james out there
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 22, 2008 8:57 AM EDT 0 recs
Why can he
change his name officially but not Johnson?
We're only gonna score 17 points?
by big blue wrecking crew on
Sep 22, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
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Hopefully
we will see Terrell Thomas on the field soon
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by jrs1940 on Sep 22, 2008 9:05 AM EDT 0 recs
Carney, Jacobs ,Nickel D
I agree ,I wish Carney would stay although it’s a forgone conclusion that he’s gone(for now). The Bengals were so stacked that Jacobs only really had the chance to"soften them up" Yeah there was one play with a big hole outside that he missed and Bradshaw wouldn’t have but ,in this type of offense even Jacobs pounding the D opens up things later in the game. It wasn’t apparent on TV but from the stands you could see that every time the Giants were in nickel ,they were exploited big time. It was kind of a joke by the third quarter I found myself counting D-backs instead of say looking at formations. Kind of like the saying that prevent D prevents you from winning. When they lined up with 3 linebackers the pass rush was better and the pocket was at least budging consistently.
We're only gonna score 17 points?
by big blue wrecking crew on Sep 22, 2008 9:07 AM EDT 0 recs
Another point from the game, from the "dead horse" department
The officiating, is it ever going to be any good?
Eli threw that dump pass to Bradshaw, and the guy clearly had a hold of Bradshaw’s jersey, in plain view of the ref, and nothing is called.
On I believe the Giants opening drive, I think it was Steve Smith got mugged, and one of the refs is yelling “DPI, DPI!” which I am assuming means “Defensive Pass Interference” and not “Don’t Pout Idiot”, and the ref calls “Hands to the face”.
On the Bengals first TD, I think it was Robbins was being held around the neck, nothing called.
Now I am sure the Bengals fans are coming up with instances where the Giants could have been called and weren’t as well, and that’s fine. It should work both ways. The officiating in football is just plain awful, and the league seems unwilling or unable to do
anything about it.
What does it say about the officiating when the man who is probably regarded as “The Best In The Business” literally cost a team a game last week because of his mistake?
Like I said, “dead horse”, but I still had to bring it up
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by jrs1940 on Sep 22, 2008 10:44 AM EDT 0 recs
Officiating
To me, the biggest problem is that most of these guys are too old and too slow to be in good position to really see what is going on. I’d love to see the average age. It’s hilarious, though, to watch some of these guys tottering down the field and players flying past them. How can you expect them to see anything? The game is too fast for most of them.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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Defense
Restating a comment I made in the game thread, I thought Spags got blitz-happy in the second half and the Bengals picked it up, leading to some big plays to receivers (Houshmandzadeh especially) in single coverage. You’ve got to blitz judiciously and the excessive aggression almost cost us the win, and probably would have against a better team than the Bengals.
by JoshNY on Sep 22, 2008 11:23 AM EDT 0 recs
I think
the Bengals uncovered a way to have some success with the Giants when they blitz. Those short, quick routes across the middle are something that seemed to work. You don’t have to block for long, and you get man coverage with CBs chasing WRs across the field. If you can hit it, there’s a chance for yards after the catch. If teams keep doing that to the Giants you’ll see a little more zone I would think.
by ETVal on
Sep 22, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
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I think you're right
The Giants have a great rush from their D-Line and with blitzes, can stymie any QB in the league. But the Bengals showed that their secondary is still ordinary.
by TerraByte on
Sep 22, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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It felt like I was watching a game from 2005-2006
when I saw all of the passes that were placed directly into Plax’s hands only to be dropped. Hope this is a temporary time warp.
We're gonna STOMP you out!
by NYERinKY on Sep 22, 2008 2:10 PM EDT 0 recs
Agreed!
I thought there were many drops yesterday. It looked sunny at the game, perhaps guys couldn’t pick up the ball? At least those drops didn’t turn into INT’s
by Cody K on
Sep 22, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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on the radio
They were saying that was one of the reasons they couldn’t throw a fade to plax in the end zone, because he’d be looking right into the sun.
by queler on
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