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Top QB after Brady and Payton?

OK Giants fan.  Have a friendly questions from accross the country in Dallas.  Im comming over from Bloggin with the Boys with a question about the best "up and comming" young QB in the NFL after Tom and Payton.  Want to get your opinions.  Scounts Inc put out an article as to who the best young QB was:  Ben Rothlisburger, Tony Romo, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Jay Cutler.  I think its a great questions to ask and I know your fandom will play into it, but try to look at it through the eyse of someone that has no partiality to anyone on the list. 

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The question is, who is the best young QB in the league?  I guess the best way to look at this, keeping your fandom out of it, is who you would want to start a team of your were to get a new franchise.  The arguement that Scounts Inc put out there was Big Ben and Eli have the only hardware.  Far enough.  They gave Rivers mad props for palying in the AFC game with the torn ACL last year, which to me doesnt do much bc they lost the game.  Cutler, other than two great games this year, hasnt done anything.  Their knock on Romo was play in the big games.  The only true big game that his QB play wasnt his best was last year agains the GMen.  He played well enough to win the Seattle playoff game 2 years ago as a QB.  I dont put the drop snap on his "QB" play, but just a crappy fall out. 

My thought would be to but Big Ben first, Romo second, and Eli and Rivers third or fourth (either way).  I want to get your opinion as Giants fans on what you would do.  I know Eli has a ring, but i do remember last December, everyone in NY was ready to cut off his head and ship him out.  I know, as FOOTBALL fans you can admit that your AMAZING DEFENSE won yall that ring (all throughout the playoffs) and Eli just didnt loose you any game.  He did step up and make some great plays, but do you think that Eli is truely a GREAT UP AND COMMING QB?  Or was he just in the perfect situation, as long as he didnt loose it for you? 

Its a tought thought.  And i want to try and keep my partiality out of it, but i just see the tangibles and intangibles that Ben and Romo have to be better than Eli as a STAR QB in this league. 

Would love your thoughts.  Thanks for allowing me to post on your blogg.  Good luck!

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Thad

You are obviously following up on the theme ESPN started. I followed up in the ‘Respect’ article on the main page, but never really gave an opinion on where Eli rates.
I think, quite honestly, what you are looking at is a group of historically good young QBs.
I have no argument with Roethlisberger as No. 1. I am taking Eli second.

A quarterback’s ultimate job is to win. While Romo has put up the better overall numbers, he has failed at the biggest moments (and yes, the dropped snap counts). Eli has proven that he can win when it matters most. Until Romo does that Eli goes in front of him.

by ETVal on Sep 19, 2008 10:55 AM EDT   0 recs

Fair enough.

So are you saying that you would pick Eli over Romo, Cutler, and Rivers to start a brand new franchise?

by thad728 on Sep 19, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No

If I was doing that I would take Cutler. I think the guy is going to be great. Plus, he’s a three-year veteran. Eli and Rivers are 5-year vets, and Romo is a 6-year guy. Take the youngest guy. I am saying right now, if I have a good team capable of going places I would prefer Eli to Romo, Cutler or Rivers. He has shown he can get it done. The other guys haven’t.

by ETVal on Sep 19, 2008 11:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm torn on this

I love Eli, but I don’t know how I’d rate him compared to those other guys. Romo to me is the second coming of Brett Favre – physically gifted, can and will make plays that few other guys can make, is gonna put up monster stats year after year, but he’s got a penchant for making dumb mistakes at bad times. I’m not willing to put the “can’t win the big one” tag on him yet, b/c Eli started out 0-2 in “big games” and looked AWFUL in his first playoff game, so I think we need to give Romo some more time.

I’m a big fan of Big Ben. I really didn’t want the Giants to draft him in ‘04 – I didn’t think he was gonna do much in the NFL, and boy was I wrong. I like to draw comparisons to former players, but I can’t really think of any in his case, he almost sets a prototype. I think he IS good enough to win games with his arm, but he’s smart enough to realize he doesn’t have to, so he avoids making the mistakes that Romo and Eli sometimes make.

I’m also turning into a fan of Cutler. He’s so good outside the pocket, and he’s getting better inside the pocket. Reminds me a bit of Steve Young in that regard. I also heard someone compare him to Tarkenton, but I never saw Tarkenton play so I can’t really comment on that.

Rivers, on the other hand, I don’t really think is that great. He has so many weapons on the Chargers, if you put any of the other 4 on that team I think they’d be putting up Peyton-type numbers. Yea, he played hurt last year, but like thad said, the Chargers lost the game. I just don’t think he has the arm strength to be an elite QB in the league. Reminds me a little of Pennington, but I don’t think he’s quite as smart as Chad.

Finally, Eli, as I’ve said before reminds me of Simms. A guy who nobody thought was tough enough turns out to be as tough as they come, he’s the prototypical “game manager” – which isn’t a knock. The guy can win. Of all the guys I’ve named, Simms was the only one who was the starting QB for 2 teams that won a Super Bowl (yea, yea, Hostetler, but I think the Giants would have won that with Simms, don’t you?). He might not put up the flashiest numbers, but he’s a winner. I like that.

If I were to rank them, right now, it’s be 1) Big Ben, 2a) Eli, 2b) Romo, 4) Cutler, 5) Rivers. Ask me again in a year and Cutler might be #1.

by cjmulrain on Sep 19, 2008 1:36 PM EDT   0 recs

respect that thought

Thats a great analysis of them all. I pretty much completely agree with everything you said. Big impresses me everytime i really see him play. (Other than his stupid off the filed incident) Romo is a lot like Farve, its almost scary. I think what we be a plus for Romo is having Jason Garret behind him for a very long time and Jerry being willing to go get him some talent to help. Cutler sure does look dang good to start this year. I cant put him ahead of BB, TR, or EM but your right, next year he might be 1 or 2. I am still a little shaky on Eli. He made stupid decisions all last year except for two or three games (lukily all in the playoffs) If he continues to do what he did in the super bowl run this year, than he is definitely a top 10 maybe even top 5 QB in the entire league. But similar to Romo and Cutler, i need to see more time on him as well.

Again, thanks for the thoughts. I really wanted to get a NON BIAS Giants opinion. Well done!

by thad728 on Sep 19, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i have a very bias giants opinion about romo

but since you had such a thoughtful post i’ll kep it to myself for now.

to be as objective as possible, though, i’d say you can’t go wrong with any of them EXCEPT rivers. i dont like what i’ve seen from him. pretty sure his career has peaked. and yes, starting a team from scratch, probably go with cutler.

by kendynamo on Sep 19, 2008 3:56 PM EDT   0 recs

P-E-Y-T-O-N

by JoshNY on Sep 22, 2008 11:27 AM EDT   0 recs

He's not

part of this discussion.

by ETVal on Sep 22, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but please

spell the great ones name correctly. i expect it more on a giants website. your quarterbacks brother! spell it right or dont spell it at all lol. Peyton.

by skywalker on Sep 24, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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