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Recovering from an anti-Eli bias

Hi everybody my name is Luke and I am a recovering Eli Manning hater.

 

Let me start by saying that I have no memories of Phil Simms.  From what my father and grandfather have told me he was some sort of Peyton Manning/ Tom Brady hybrid except with superior grit and determination to win.  My first impression of what constituted a New York Giants quarterback was the venerable Dave Brown, so you can hopefully understand my pessimistic stance toward Giant QBs.  I recall watching Sportscenter on Sunday nights and sitting in awe at highlights of Brett Favre hit receivers in stride.  It was as if I was witnessing a different sport.  Where's the part where the fat guys jump on top of the little guy in the low numbered jersey?  

None of these guys were flat-out terrible, they  just couldn't be counted on to win you the game.  I hoped their screw-ups could be kept to minimum so we could eek out a win on he backs of a Tiki or Rodney Hampton.  Kent Graham and Danny Kanell were so painfully mediocre they made Trent Dilfer look like playmaker.  That is where I was coming from when Eli stepped in.  For years when I watched the QB drop back I felt an impending sense of doom, which all to often was actualized.  So with Eli his successes seemed irrelevant, because I just knew that disaster was around the corner. And when he made a mistake it became another part of the anti-Eli narrative I had been building.

II could always take a step back and see what he had actually accomplished in his career.  He quarterbacked the Giants to two playoff seasons in his first two full years.  Not bad, but going to the playoffs doesn't mean your very good.  Sorry guys, but winning isn't a great barometer for a QB.  Danny Kanell had a 10-5-1 season and made the playoffs, as did Kent Graham.  

Something changed for me in the playoffs.  I suddenly felt confident when the Giants had the ball.  Instead of hoping for a few first downs and then playing the field position game, I felt that they were actually gonna be putting points on the board.  I still remained wary of Eli even through the Super Bowl.  By the beginning of this year all that Eli-anxiety had passed, I guess winning a Super Bowl gives a rest to all of your sports related neurosis.   

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Nice Post

I kind of remember watching Phil Simms, I don’t know about the Peyton Manning/Tom Brady hybrid…but my husband (who was born and raised in Jersey) tells me that he most definitely had grit.

I am a Manning fan 1st, since I grew up watching Archie. So, my obvious alliances are Indy and NY. Hey, I was raised in California and the Rams sucked, the Raiders are…well..the Raiders and I didn’t want to jump on the 49ers bandwagon. But I digress…I knew Eli would eventually come into his own. He was awesome at Ole Miss. And every time he would come on the field and you guys would boo him, I would say “poor Eli”.

And so, at the beginning of this season, I was telling my husband that Eli will perform like he did in the play-offs, that he’s come into his own now, that the confidence he’s gained have all pushed him over that hump. My husband thinks I’m full of it, but I think after the first two games he might be coming around. I guess after so many years of being a Giant fan…he isn’t ready to put his faith in any QB…just yet.

And I swear, if I have to hear the story of Phil Simms’ broken finger one more time….

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Sep 17, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks

Yeah the Peyton/Brady thing was sarcastic. My father gets a little carried away when talking about the Giants teams of yore.

by staypuft on Sep 17, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the feeling.

I actually tried to debate my husband with the “Peyton=Ironman” comment. Well, let’s just say it got really ugly. lol. He must have told me about Phil’s broken finger like 10 times during that one. hahaha.

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Sep 17, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phil Simms

The first football game I remember watching was Super Bowl XXV, so obviously I missed Simms in his prime, but from what I remember he was no Brady/Manning. What he was was a winner, and a tough as hell player. He was never the best QB in the league, but he was my favorite when I was a kid, and I think Eli’s got a bit of Phil Simms in him.

by cjmulrain on Sep 17, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

CJ

You are right. Eli is looking more and more like Simms. I questioned at the start whether Eli had Simms’ toughness, but I don’t question it any more. Simms was not a numbers guy, and neither is Eli. They both just know how to win.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 17, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli was voted the best Giants QB of all time by BBVers, which is a joke considering

Tittle and Tark played for the team. Nevertheless, he’s one of my favorite all-time Giants for his character (patience under continual abuse from Tuna, toughness, grit, leadership.) If Eli reaches Phil’s level, I’ll be sartisfied. I have a sneaking suspicion that Eli will do better and become the best Giants QB, hands down. I certainly hope so.

by george cronin on Sep 17, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice story

I lived all my life in Mexico (except college, tucson az) and unlike others down here who follow raiders, niners, steelers or the cowgirls, I stayed with the Giants back in the 80’s right before they won the first superbowl with Parcells. simms was a huge part I became a Giand fan.The last playoff that I remember with Simms was I think in 93 or 94, when we took a beating from the niners in a divisional playoffs, Simms was sacked like ten times and that’s the last I remember or him, then a parade or useless QB’s until Kerry Collins arrived, he was not very good, but not terrible (he took us to the SB), then Eli arrived and you know what, I always trusted Eli, I don’t know why, even with the ups and downs I figure we will come along.

by Bajaserge on Sep 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Collins was outstanding in 2000

but he definitely had his flaws. I’ve always been a fan of the guy though, I hope he has a good season in Tennessee and keeps Vince Young on the bench.

by cjmulrain on Sep 17, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do I

I like Collins, I like the fact he changed his attitude once in NY. Too bad how he left the team, and I wish him the best.

by Bajaserge on Sep 17, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi everybody my name is Derek and I am

a recovering Dave Brown hater…

oh shit, i’m in the wrong room.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 17, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

hahha

i have that picture framed. it was giving me nightmares so now its in my basement

by staypuft on Sep 17, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sbake

I am pretty sure I just shat myself when I saw this picture.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

man…Dave Brown. I remember when I argued with my friend (a Pats fan) that Brown was gonna be better than Bledsoe. Guess I was a little wrong about that.

by cjmulrain on Sep 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My son-in-law went to High School with Brown.

When the Giants picked him in the early, he predicted he wouldn’t make it. I was quite skeptical at the time, but he proved to be right.

by george cronin on Sep 17, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Brown!

The pride of Westfield NJ.!!

He was a local guy, I remember that. My roommate in college was a few years behind him.

Ugh, Dave Brown was such a tool. I’m so happy we don’t have to wake up to newspaper headlines touting the endless line of chumps we’ve had after Simms (Brown/Graham/Kannell/Tommy F*ing Maddox??) -

Thank GOD we’ve got the REIGNING SUPER BOWL MVP under center -

by Cody K on Sep 17, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

and with neil o'donnel with the jets from madison

you had at one point two crappy NFL quarterbacks playing in NJ, both from two lame ass suburban high schools in north jersey.

by kendynamo on Sep 17, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny Kerry Collins story...

I moved out to San Francisco in 2002 and during that football season (this is the season that culminated in the loss to the 9ers – eff you Trey Junkin) I was watching the game at a bar. There weren’t any other Giants fans there and the 5-6 GMen fans there were crowded around this tiny TV watching the TV. So Kerry was having one of typical games, you know – threading one throw into triple coverage and then laying out a gorgeous bomb on the next throw.

So anyway, he made one particularly boneheaded play and I got up and yelled at the TV (I am “that guy” – I do this during games) and I said something about what a “F*ing retard” I thought Collins was. So the others agreed with me, except for this guy there with his girlfriend. And this couple seemed quite nice by all accounts. So I go off on a tirade abvout what a terrible QB Collins is and that he won’t ever be the guy to lead the Giants to the promised land, etc. etc. and then a commercial break comes up.

So this other girl who was watching the game with us started chatting with the couple. The guy and I start talking about the game and we start talking football. This guy was a Steelers fan – and the Steelers game was on a different TV. I said, "Why aren’t you watching the Steelers game??" He said, "Oh-because my brother plays for the Giants."

That’s right-this was Kerry Collins’ brother…who patiently sat through my tirade. Upon learning his identity I apologized profusely – but the damage was done. He was actually quite nice about it and said that Giants fan were much nicer than Panther fans, etc.

by Cody K on Sep 17, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Cody

that’s a great story, and who knows, maybe Kerry’s brother agreed with you. After SB 35, be hard to disagree

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Collins

has one of the prettiest spirals ever thrown. He effortlessly tosses the ball with dead accuracy time after time. If you just saw him pass you’d think he was the best that ever was. But alas, there is more to it than that. Over the years he tripped, made bad handoffs, fumbled incessently, and we don’t even want to consider his mobility and bad decisions when he is under pressure.

But I’ll say this…..the game he played against the Vikings might just be the best example of precision throwing ever in a game, maybe even better than Simms in the 86 Super Bowl. Maybe he can have his last hurrah this year with the Titans.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 18, 2008 5:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Vikings game

I was at that Vikings game. I flew in from Chicago to meet my dad at the stadium so we could sit in our season tix seats (up in the top deck). I was running a little late from the airport, but we got in with beers in hand and watched throw after throw connect for Collins. I can’t remember a better half of football (except for maybe the 1st half of the trey junkin SF game in SF, which I was also at) from a Giants Offense than the Vikings game. For the first time in my life, they put a game out of reach. I thought Collins and Ike Hillard were gods. Oh well, they got me to pony up the money to go to the Super Bowl in Tampa to watch a complete massacre. I think that Super bowl alone made my dad really think about the PSL for next year. He is still haunted.

by losangelesmets on Sep 18, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

worst thing

The worst thing about that Super Bowl is it tainted what was really a great season. Fassel’s awesome “All-in” press conference, 2500 yards for Tiki, Sehorn’s crazy INT against the Eagles. And the absolute annihilation of Minnesota, followed by the Duke’s “Worst team” speech.

by queler on Sep 18, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

...last hurrah..."

I’m rooting for him. His arm was golden. Tiki said his passes had so much mustard, they whistled in the air. I don’t think he ever fully recovered from that hit early in his career that broke his jaw. He had the yips under pressure after that.

by george cronin on Sep 18, 2008 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

beautiful long ball

I loved around the Super Bowl run, everytime he fired it up, you knew it was a 30 yd completion to Toomer. But man did he stink at short passes. How many pick-6’s did he throw in to the flat and quick outs?

by queler on Sep 18, 2008 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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