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New York Giants' notebook, 09.12

Back to football today, gang! And there is plenty of that to discuss around our New York Giants.

Let's get started.

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STADIUM NAMING CONTROVERSY: In case you missed it Thursday, there was quite a bit written about the Giants and New York Jets possibly selling the naming rights of their new stadium to Allianz, a German company that apparently had Nazi connections in World War II.

Let me say simply that this would be a stupid, insensitive move by the two teams. You are telling me they -- if they have to sell naming right, which I hate, anyway -- they can't find a New York or New Jersey company that wants its name on the building?

Gary Myers of the New York Daily News summed this situation up perfectly.

Even if Allianz has tried to make restitution over the years to the families of the Holocaust victims, why should a football stadium be a reminder of the painful events that led to the murder of six million Jews? With so many Holocaust survivors in this area and ancestors of survivors or people who lost their parents or grandparents in concentration camps, it just makes no sense. ...

Even if Allianz, which has its name on a stadium in Munich, is willing to pay more than anybody else - perhaps as much as $30 million per year - could Giant owners Tisch and John Mara and Jet owner Woody Johnson take a little less money and be a little more sensitive? There seems to be some testimony that Allianz has tried to do the right thing over the years, but why would the Giants and Jets even subject themselves to such scrutiny?

And in these times when America is losing its value around the world, can't the naming rights to one of the most visible sports venues be sold to an American company?

There really isn't much to add to that.

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SHOCKEY HASN'T LET GO: Jeremy Shockey is in the news talking -- or writing -- about the Giants again. Apparently, Shockey has penned a piece in the newest edition of ESPN the Magazine sharing his feelings about his former team.

From Ralph Vacchiano, here is a snippet of what Shockey had to say:

On the theory that the Giants were better off without him last year: “Look, I’m glad my teammates won everything. But the media were trying to make fans either feel sorry for me or feel like the team didn’t need me, and it ended up like a bad soap opera. The media never took the time to consider how I was feeling. But why would they do that? That would take too long, be too hard. Fans don’t form their own opinions now. They just believe what they’re told, what they read. It’s why we live in a society where you can be famous for doing nothing more than showing your panties a few times.”

On his decision of whether or not to attend Super Bowl XLII: “When it came time for the actual game, I was f—ed either way: if I went to the Super Bowl or if I didn’t. I didn’t want to be a distraction. What good am I with a broken leg? The Giants already have cheerleaders-why would they need me?

On his Super Bowl experience: “I flew myself out on a five- to six-hour flight in a middle seat. I couldn’t walk. I couldn’t do anything. Then the Giants wouldn’t let me sit on the sideline, so I sat upstairs during the game. I didn’t get invited to the parade or the party or the celebration, and that’s fine. … It was over for me in New York after that.”

I get the magazine, and this might actually be the first time I will ever find something I want to read.

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KIWI AT FULL SPEED: Mathias Kiwanuka, who injured an ankle on the final play against Washington, apparently practiced at full speed Thursday. That's good news. The Giants need him.

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BIGGEST NFC EAST RIVALRY: ESPN's Matt Mosley says the biggest NFC East rivalry is Cowboys-Redskins. Of course he does. Maybe 20 years ago Mosley would have been right. But now, you can't tell me any rivalry in that division is more intense than Cowboys-Giants. Oh, and today's count is eight posts for Mosley, five about his hometown Cowboys. C'mon, Matt, find some objectivity, please!

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STAY TUNED: Later today 'jrs' will have his weekly preview of this week's opposition, this time focusing on the St. Louis Rams. Also, I will have our weekly '5 Questions' segment, an entertaining go-round with Turf Show Times.

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First off, Shockey was with the Giants 5 years, he never noticed they don’t have cheerleaders?

Second of all, Jeremy, shut up.

Third of all, Cowboys-Redskins hasn’t been a great rivalry since the early 90’s. this guy Mosely must be related to Skip Bayless.

Fourth off, I read the Myers column yesterday, and he is spot on. I’m not Jewish, but even I can see this is just insane. I don’t care how much resitution this company has made, you just cannot let this company have naming rights.

Ok, I have to run, I am off to the Michael Vick Humane Society to adopt a dog, and from there a workout at the Roger Clemens Fitness Center for a Clean Healthy Body.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 12, 2008 8:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering

how long it would take for someone to pick up on him saying that. What an idiot!

by Ed Valentine on Sep 12, 2008 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shockey

Someone made a good point on a post at another site that if Kiwi & Ward (who were also hurt & out of SB) received a specific invitation to the parade, then Shockey was wronged. What’s more likely however is that there was no specific invitation … it was probably expected that they’d just show up since they are on the team! Please Jeremy, grow the F up.

Great news on Kiwi. Let’s hope the Giants play well, so he can get some rest later in the game.

by potroast on Sep 12, 2008 8:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a surprise!

“"OUR” (ha) new stadium being named to the highest bidder no matter what the circumstance…………………….at least it’s not Tampax .
 Wellington is rolling in his grave.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Sep 12, 2008 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shockey

Just like everyone else, Shockey won me over in is early years with the Giants. Than came all the injuries. He wasn’t the realible TE any more. He can say what he wants about the media, and that the fans only believe what they read, I’m not an expert, but i did see a difference in Eli after the injury. He played better and he had complete control over the offense. He was now the only leader for the offense. Shockey has to deal with the fact that he has a SB ring that he didn’t earn, no wonder why he talks sh#t about the Giants….Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"18-1, Write that Book"

by BigBl42 on Sep 12, 2008 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shockey's an idiot

cheerleaders? Seriously? You’d think a guy like him would have noticed that the Giants have none. That said, if the Giants really did tell him not to be on the field for the Super Bowl, then I forgive him a little tiny bit, b/c a lot of us made a big deal about how he wasn’t on the sidelines. Maybe Coughlin didn’t give him a choice.

About the naming rights thing, maybe I’m a little insensitive, but I don’t know if I see the big deal. You’d be very hard pressed to find a German corporation that doesn’t have at least some ties to the Nazis and the Holocaust, since Hitler more or less nationalized the entire country. BMW made the engines for the German air force, Mercedes Benz provided almost the entire vehicle fleet of the Nazi Party, etc. At this point, everyone who was involved in that would be long gone from the company, which has attempted to make restitution for its actions. Consider this: Wachovia Bank was built on the foundation of American Slave labor, but nobody complains about them having their name on 2 Philadelphia sports arenas. Now, all of that said, for the amount that the Jets and Giants owners are squeezing out of the fans for these stadiums, it seems to me like they should have the good sense to maybe take a little bit less money from a local company and avoid any controversy.

by cjmulrain on Sep 12, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cj,

don’t forget Prescott Bush’s connection to the German munitions maker pre WWI.

by george cronin on Sep 13, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

allianz

im afraid i dont see the point of punishing allianz in this instance. the big blunder is the bank not changing their name after WWII, because really, anything related to germany can remind people of the holocaust, so that arguement is bogus to me. its not like people think of nazis when they hear about allianz, at least no one did before all the articles started getting written about them.

by kendynamo on Sep 12, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just think

it’s a can of worms the giants don’t need to open. Some people will be bothered, others won’t. Yet, it amazes me that the Giants can’t find a New York/New Jersey company to sell the rights to. What, there are no big businesses in NY/NJ that would like the naming rights? Give me a break!

by Ed Valentine on Sep 12, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

allianz opinions need

Hi, my name is Sharon, and I’m a reporter at The Jewish Week in New York. ETVal – I can’t find your contact information anywhere, but I’d really like to hear your opinion/quote you in an article we’re writing about the whole Allianz issue. If you could possibly e-mail me at sharon@jewishweek.org and give me a phone number/time to call you today, that would be great! Any other Giants and Jets fans who have strong opinions on the issue, please feel free to contact me as well. I know my own father is a season ticket holder and he doesn’t seem to take issue with the naming process, but many of his other Jewish friends do.

by sudasin on Sep 12, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a local sponsorship would be cooler

like prudential did for the devils new stadium and citibank for the new shea. my personal fav was the New Jersey Red Dogs, the arena league football team that played in the old continental airlines (or IZOD center, whatever the hell it is now before he gets turned into rubble), named after the shortly lived Anheuser Busch beer that was brewed in the NJ A-B brewery.

by kendynamo on Sep 12, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kendy

based on the history of the company, it just doesn’t smell right, especially with the largest Jewish community in the country in the local area.

Green Giant is the best corporate sponsor for that stadium,

Or JetBlue! LOL, just thought of that one

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 12, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jetblue

would be pretty awesome.

I know a lot of people have a problem with Citi Field, just b/c it’s corporate sponsorship, but at least it sounds good. Everyone know NY is THE City, so if the name of the field was City Field, it would be fine, so I don’t mind the slightly off spelling. I hope the Giants/Jets get something that similarly sounds good, and not like “Nabisco Field” or something.

by cjmulrain on Sep 12, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, See - I agree with that article.

People aren’t boycotting Fireman’s Fund Insurance and not getting their insurance from them as a result of the fact that the parent company is Allianz Life. Or Dresdner RCM for that matter (witness the recent news on how much Allianz expects to make from a sale of Dresdner).

Point is: this is a business – and the Jets/Giants are simply going to sell the rights to the highest bidder.

by Cody K on Sep 12, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daily News is reporting

The Giants and Jets are no longer negotiating with Allianz….Auf wiedersehen

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 12, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

50 years from now....

A company that was affiliated with the terrorists who were responsible for the 9/11 tragedy wants their name on Giants Stadium. For many years they have apologized for their complicity.

Should we let them put their name on the stadium?

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 12, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some time ago

I heard an interview with LT in which he said that, when he played, the biggest Giants’ rivalry was with the Eagles.

We're gonna STOMP you out!

by NYERinKY on Sep 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 50 Years From Now
A company that was affiliated with the terrorists who were responsible for the 9/11 tragedy wants their name on Giants Stadium. For many years they have apologized for their complicity.

Should we let them put their name on the stadium?

it is not as if the just said that they were sorry. They have paid millions of dollars in restitution and even have members working the Holocaust Memorial. You don’t believe in moving forward and not living in the past. You remember the past so that you do no repeat it.

So it a half a century later, if there is a company that financed Al Queda and they have paid money towards the victims of 9/11, and done other things to make amends, then yes, we should not be bigoted just like their predecessors were.

do you not go to a hospital that is affilitated with a Roman Catholic church? The Romans persecuted Christians and Gentiles for years. they changed and “accepted” the religion as their own. do black people not wear cotton clothing? don’t live in the past..

by sparty511 on Sep 12, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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