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The Ray Handley All-Stars

It should be noted that while all of you are busy voting on an All-time Giants team and its head coach, Big Blue View has been working behind the scenes on a special project we know all of you will enjoy. I am proud to stand here on stage at the Motel 6 in Weehawken, NJ and present to you The All-Time Worst Giants Team. This was no easy task to assemble all of these players, but we've managed to do it.

When naming a head coach, there seemed to be only one man for the job, and that would be former head coach and famous card-counter Ray Handley. Handley_medium
Ray couldn't be with us tonight, but when BBV called to congratulate him, upon hearing the good news, he remarked "Who the @*^& is this? How the @%$* did you get this number? What the  $%$@ is Big Blue View? &%$# off!!!!!!" Ray's a big kidder, always with the jokes. We know he is proud of the team we've assembled

Here are some of the guidelines we followed for putting this team together:

1. This list is based solely on the player's performance as a New York Giant. What they did in Washington, Denver, the defunct World Football League, the XFL, or Pop Warner had no bearing. Some are great players who left their talent at Newark Airport when they came to the Giants, and some are players who left the Giants and found success in other places. But they were all bad as Giants.

2. Much to Mr. Cronin's chagrin, these players are all "Wilderness Years" and later, because quite frankly, those are the players we know best. But as always, BBV welcomes any suggestions of names from the 30's, 40's and 50's, there is always room for more on this team, we have no roster limits

So without further ado, or in this team's case, adon't, let's get right to it!

Beginning with the Offense:

QB: The Bachelor, The Fumble, and The XFL MVP (also known as Jesse Palmer, Joe Pisarcik, and Tommy Maddox)

RB:  Rocky Thompson, Herschel Walker, Brian Mitchell, Larry Csonka

WR: Emery Moorehead, Thomas Lewis, Odessa Turner, Brian Alford, Herman Moore

TE: Derek Brown, Aaron Pierce, Al Pupunu

OL: Luke Petitgout, Scott Gragg, Jeff Hatch, John Hicks, Trey Junkin

Giants football has always been about the Defense, with these guys being the exception

DL: Cedric "Cyclops" Jones, Kanavis McGhee, William Joseph, Frank Ferrara (Sopranos stunt work notwithstanding)

LB: Carlos Emmons, Barrett Green, Coleman Rudolph, Mike Croel, Lavar Arrington

DB: Jeremy Lincoln, Dave Thomas, Ralph Brown, Elvis "Toast" Patterson, Thomas Randolph

P: Matt Allen, Mike Horan ( a team this bad needs two punters!!!)

K: Bob Timberlake (he was 1 for 15 in FGA's in 1965, including 2 misses from inside 20 yards)

So there you have it, the All-Time Worst Giants team. I'd like to thank everyone for coming out tonight, and please, help yourself to a can of Pabst and a corn dog, there's plenty of both!

The thing that amazed me when putting this together is how many of these guys, whether they were draft picks, free agents, walk-ons, or radio contest winners, never played for another NFL team after they left the Giants.

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All Time Worst Team -- Petitgout?

Was Luke “false start” Petitgout really one of the all-time worst OL-man? I know we like to bash him for the “false start issues”....but outside of that he was solid…certainly not great…but all-time worst? I’m trying to remember our really bad OT….tried to block from my memory. Didn’t we have a guy named Ian Allen back in early 2000’s…I remember watching DE fly by him to smash Collins & Warner.

Also no spot on DL for Eric Dorsey?

by marcvo17 on Jun 28, 2008 9:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Petitgout

I would have replaced Petitgout with Bob Whitfield, myself. But, Petitgout was a very frustrating player. I can’t remember who the left tackle was before Luke. Seems like some 900-year-old guy who couldn’t move anymore, but I can’t remember his name—just that he was terrible.

by ETVal on Jun 28, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Given all the concern shown by some BBVers

at losing Luke last year, I have to agree that he’s not the best choice for all-time worst team. I remember Aaron Pierce as being halfway decent. Doth my aging brain deceive me? As for the pre-Wilderness Years, the rosters were so solid back then that, of course, there are no qualifiers for this team. (There are positives as well as negatives to the aging brain—prior to the Wilderness Years, Big Blue’s history is bathed in nothing save golden sunshine.))

by george cronin on Jun 28, 2008 11:12 AM EDT   0 recs

Golden sunshine

Ahh, waxing poetic this morning, Mr. Cronin.

by ETVal on Jun 28, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

couple things

Matt Allen at punter, I thought he was pretty good. I agree Pettigout was more frustrating then terrible. But if your going with that standard, how is Will Allen not at DB? And how about Jonathan Carter at WR, lost to injury for the year, while standing completely still on the line of scrimmage.

My votes for coordinator, first ballot has to be John Hufnagel and Johnny Lynn. Hell will always stoke a special fire for Johnny Lynn right next to Ray.

by queler on Jun 28, 2008 11:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Coordinator

Good choices there. Remember, this is just a fun debate. Nothing scientific here, just what and who you remember.

by ETVal on Jun 28, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A few other nominees:

QB: Dave Brown. More for the fact that I remember watching a game when I was a wee kid and the announcers saying “Brown and Drew Bledsoe are the 2 most promising young QB’s in the NFL” and I clung to that for 3 years, as Bledsoe became a superstar and Brown was benched for the immortal Danny Kannel.
RB: Ron Dayne
WR: Tim Carter

by cjmulrain on Jun 28, 2008 11:37 AM EDT   0 recs

Totally agree on Dayne

I hated that draft pick. Every time I watched Shaun Alexander run for another TD in Seattle I cursed that damn Ron Dayne pick. BRUTAL pick by Acorsi, ANY of the RB’s in that draft would have been better than Dayne – and if you look at the standout LB’s taken after Dayne (Julian Peterson, Keith Bulluck, Ian Gold, Adalius Thomas) I’d say that the Dayne draft was one of Acorsi’s biggest busts as a Giants GM

by Cody K on Jun 30, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh man - you are forgetting many of the worst

Norm Snead? Randy Johnson? Jerry Goldstein (sp?) As I remember, he was one of the great “practice” QBs of all time. Looked great till he got his first hit. Did Palmer ever actually play in a game?

Luke? Worst ever, no way Take any of the lines from the wilderness years. You could have replaced it with swiss cheese. If you would like, I can get the rosters. They all pretty much sucked

While many of these players never did anything after, I do remember that Maddox had at least one decent year at Pittsburgh

Running back – Bobby Duhon? Doug Kotar? Ernie Koy?

by NYERinSF on Jun 28, 2008 1:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Great debating here

Exactly what I was hoping for. Petitgout seems to be a controversial choice, I love it.

Randy Johnson and Jerry Goldsteyn were considered, but when we held the Handley Combine out at Bayonne High School, they performed better than our nominees, only missing the targets 98 out of 100 times

Doug Kotar, I couldn’t disrepsect any Giant who left us far too soon

I thought about Ron Dixon, but two things kept him off the list:

1. If not for him, the Giants are the only team in SB history to be shut out in a Super Bowl
2. I love the “Lambuth Special” play they ran with him against the Eagles that one time, and if not for Jurevicius missing a key block at the Eagles 10 yard line, it would have worked.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by jrs1940 on Jun 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT   0 recs

George....

I thought you would be screaming “Joe Don Looney” from the rooftops!!!!

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by jrs1940 on Jun 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT   0 recs

No way.

He never made it past training camp. He never taped his ankles. Sherman told him to. Joe Don said, “I know my ankles better than you.” There are a lot better Looney stories than that, but that’s what moved Sherman to palm him off on another coach who thought he could get Looney’s head straight and take advantage of all that raw talent (Don Shula, I think-one of the best coaches of all time-honest better than the sainted Tuna even—just look up his winning percentage.) How did Looney stay in the NFL so long (eight years, I think?)
Here are two QBs from the pre Wilderness Years worthy of consideration: Bobby Clatterbuck and George Shaw.

by george cronin on Jun 28, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jeez,

Did you really have to open this crypt? The memories are overwhelming, God almighty, the horror!!

You not even close to the bottom of the barrel, Pisarcik wasn’t even that bad, considering he was always running for his life, the man got sacked trying to hand the ball off up the middle. The offensive line was the equivalent of lining up stacks of Mallomars.

Does anyone remember QB Jerry Goldstein? who had the accuracy of a kangaroo pointing a sawed-off shotgun. Or WR Johnny Perkins, who held on to balls with the frequency of my dates with supermodels. Or Butch Woolfolk, who started out fine, then began to miss open holes while stutter-stepping in the backfield to avoid illusionary tacklers, (though in his defense its been proven that Westfield athletes are cursed when they go to the gints, and Butch was probably afflicted with some sort of paranormal connection to the memories of Doug Kotar, who did spend his career dodging tacklers in the backfield) and.. and… and…Honey!!..where’s my meds? Ahh… the agony! you bastards, why did you start this? you’ll be hearing from my Lawyer.

by The Pale Scot on Jun 28, 2008 6:24 PM EDT   0 recs

LOL!!

This might be the best fan comment in a long time. Why did we start this? Because ‘jrs’ still has nightmares about Ray Handley and needed to hare the misery. Seriously, though, I love the stuff coming from all the readers on this one. Oh, and your lawyer will find that bloggers are very, very poor! LOL!!

by ETVal on Jun 28, 2008 10:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Woolfolk was

the greatest sideline to sideline runner in Giants history bar none. If he ever ran towards the opposing D he could have been a star!

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Jun 30, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This team should be extra deep at RB

Jerrod Bunch, Ron Dayne, Tyrone Wheatley, George Adams …

by TerraByte on Jun 28, 2008 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs

agreed

how did Tyrone Wheatley miss the nominee list?

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jun 29, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't forget....

Eldridge Small, db out of Texas(?)...As I remember he was our wasted #1 pick in 72.

by giant fan since 57 on Jun 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Great stuff

This is alot of fun

I don’t harbor any ill will towards Handley, all sins were forgiven when Plax caught that touchdown pass

I mean, look at my name, jrs1940…..a moniker I took on after the Rangers cleansed all sins in 1994. Now I wear it like a badge of honor. Same thing with Handley. After Super Bowl 42, I’m at peace with everything that happened between 1991 and 2006

Take me to the river, wash me in the water…..

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by jrs1940 on Jun 29, 2008 1:38 PM EDT   0 recs

tynes

should be on this list…. he’s awful, i dont care what anyone says, he misses the extra point way too often .. i hope the giants come to their senses and release the “hero” whose one job in life is to kick a ball and almost kept us out of the superbowl 3 separate times… if i was older i wouldve had a heart attack, 100%.... to all of you older guys, idk how you lived through the NFC championship. i was having heart palpitations .. RW Mcquarters and tynes almost killed me

by mahmoodzaky on Jun 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Feely

missed just as many clutch kicks (i.e. Seattle game 2005) and he never kicked a field goal to send a team to a Super Bowl. so he’d have to be ahead of Tynes in the pecking order.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jun 29, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt Bryant

is my choice.

by ETVal on Jun 29, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

mahmood

Can’t call a guy “worst” when he kicked us into the Super Bowl. the first two kicks were just warmups, he was being dramatic

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by jrs1940 on Jun 29, 2008 7:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah,

we’ve had much worse kickers than Tynes and you guys are on the right track. Feely and Bryant actually cost us games, while Tynes eventually kicked the game winner.

by potroast on Jun 30, 2008 11:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't believe I forgot

Kent Graham, one of the most mediocre starting QBs I can remember

by queler on Jun 30, 2008 12:45 PM EDT   0 recs

LaVar shouldn't be on here.

If you looked close enough, he was starting to play well.

Could sub in Danny Kanell, though. (Shudder.)

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Jun 30, 2008 6:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow

I completely forgot we ever had Herman Moore.

by JoshNY on Jul 1, 2008 1:56 PM EDT   0 recs

We also had....

Craig Morton….at his very worst

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 1, 2008 4:50 PM EDT   0 recs

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