'Kudos & Wet Willies,' NFC East champs edition
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| Antonio Pierce of the New York Giants looks like he is giving a 'what is going on here?' shrug. It was that kind of day Sunday for the Giants as they lost to the Philadelphia Eagles, 20-14. |
I am not sure I have ever felt so good after watching the New York Giants play so badly.
The Giants are NFC East champions today! Thank you, Pittsburgh Steelers.
After watching the Giants' disappointing 20-14 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, I watched the Steelers score 17 unanswered points in the last 8 minutes Sunday to hand the Dallas Cowboys a stunning loss and give the NFC East crown to the Giants.
You know, there is nothing better for the soul of a Giants' fan than to watch Tony Romo throw a Pick Six to cost his team a game. Oh, and watching Terrell Owens throw a sideline tantrum because Romo tried to pass to Jason Witten instead of him with the game on the line made it even better.
Of course, maybe TO had a right to be upset. Twice in the final minutes, Witten made like Jeremy Shockey, going one way when his quarterback expected him to go another.
The only thing that could be more fun is if the Giants go to Dallas next weekend, put Sunday's stinker against the Eagles behind them, and annihilate the Cowboys to push them to the edge of playoff extinction.
As for Sunday's performance against the Eagles, pitiful is the only word I can think of to describe it.
Offensively, the Giants receivers looked like they thought maybe the football was a grenade they wanted nothing to do with. Coordinator Kevin Gilbride called plays like a guy just trying to show he could break his tendencies. That's the only reason I can think of for pretty much spending the entire game doing the exact opposite of what he should have been doing.
Defensively, I thought the Giants were exposed. At least a little bit. I have always thought the best way to run against the Giants is straight ahead, directly at Fred Robbins, Barry Cofield and Antonio Pierce. With the Giants offense unable to force the Eagles into playing catch-up, Philly was able to simply pound away. And the Giants could do nothing about it.
More than the drops by the receivers, the inconsisent offense and even the injury to Brandon Jacobs, the fact that the Eagles manhandled the Giants defense at the line of scrimmage is the thing that bothered me most on Sunday.
Rest assured, every other team the Giants will play noticed what the Eagles did.
Let's just hope that Sunday was just a bad day, a blip in what has thus far shaped up to be a brilliant season. The Giants were, after all, trying for the their seventh straight victory over a team with a winning record. That has only been done once in NFL history, by the 1970 Minnesota Vikings. So, we had to expect a bad game eventually.
Oh, and let's rejoice in the fact that even with the bad performance the Giants have earned an NFC East title. And yes, at 11-2 the Giants have indeed earned it. I don't want to hear any of this 'backed into it' nonsense. With what this team has done, facing the incredibly difficult schedule it has played, the Giants deserve this title. Thinking anything else is an insult to a terrific team.
Now let's get on with the traditional 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'
Kudos to ...
Not a whole of praise to dole out today, but there are a couple of guys worthy of being mentioned.
- Kevin Dockery: Scored what Giants fans hoped would be a game-changing TD after scooping up the blocked field goal at the end of the first half. Also had a nice afternoon in pass coverage, with several knock downs.
- Justin Tuck: Three tackles, a sack, a blocked field goal and a handful of other pressues on Donovan McNabb. This stinker of an effort by the Giants defense was not Tuck's fault.
- Tom Coughlin: This is simply for his all-out sprint down the sidelines on Dockery's touchdown. The former Syracuse University running back apparently still has some wheels. TC's sprint provided a bright spot in an otherwise dreary game.
- Brian Westbrook: All I can say is, damn, I hate that guy.
Wet Willies to ...
This could be a very long list.
- Domenik Hixon: Let's get right to the point with Hixon. We have to hope that the disastrous game he had Sunday was just one bad game, not an indication that Hixon is pressing to make plays now that he has replaced Plaxico Burress. The ball he dropped on a great throw from Manning was an easy six, and pretty much the play that lost the game for the Giants. He was also awful on punt returns, losing yardage twice and nearly fumbling once. Yikes!
- Steve Smith: A huge drop that probably ended up costing the Giants points in the first half. As with Hixon, let's hope that is just one bad drop and not an indication of a young receiver pressing without No. 17 on the field.
- Antonio Pierce: I don't care how many tackles he had Sunday, and he had the whopping total of 15. Pierce, simply, was not good. He had all those tackles because the Eagles kept running right at him, and Pierce and the Giants defensive tackles couldn't do a thing about it. If the Eagles, a poor running team, can do that, you can bet every other team the Giants play will try to do the same thing. Oh, and Pierce was abused by Brian Westbrook in pass coverage all day.
- Kevin Gilbride: I have defended Gilbride any number of times this season, but Sunday was not his finest hour. He would have looked better if Hixon and Smith did not have huge drops, but this was probably Gilbride's worst play-calling game of the season. There was the very curious pass -- from the spread on 4th-and-1. There were two back-to-back sweeps that both failed in a short-yardage situation in the first half. There was the disastrous reverse to Mario Manningham that killed a promising drive. There was also the odd decision to go almost exclusively to the running game during the Giants only possession of the third quarter, the only time in the 2nd half the the Giants offense actually had the wind at their backs. To be honest, I didn't understand most of what Gilbride did all day long.
- Steve Spagnuolo: As badly as the Giants defense played all day, I would think some of the blame has to go to Spags for not finding a way to slow down the running game. Not to mention basically hanging Pierce out to dry in an impossible one-on-one matchup with Westbrook all day.
- Fred Robbins and Barry Cofield: Robbins had six tackles, including a couple for losses, but the Eagles pushed the Giants around defensive tackles for most of the game. As critical as I was of Pierce, Robbins and Cofield also have to take a hit since it is their job to control the middle. Obviously, having given up 131 yards rushing to Westbrook and letting Philly control the ball for 34:54, they failed.
- Kevin Boss: One catch for just 5 yards, and a whole host of missed blocks on the edge. I don't have any desire to go back and watch the tape again to count how many, but maybe his 'New York Blocking Department' badge should be revoked.
Final note: I know some of you will wonder why no 'Wet Willie' for Eli Manning. That's because, given the nasty, blustery winds, questionable play-calling and dropped balls Eli didn't get much help. Shoot, the throw Hixon dropped was a beautiful ball, and the one Smith dropped was also a perfect throw. Those two plays alone would have turned it into a good day for Manning.
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mr. positive
if we all would’ve been told that the Giants would go 6-1 over a stretch that included: @Pittsburgh (10-3), Dallas (8-5), @Philly (7-5-1), Baltimore (9-4), @Arizona (8-5), @ Washington (7-6), and Philly again, i’m sure we all would’ve taken it. hey, the ’86 Giants looked just as dominant as this squad and even they went 14-2.
cheer up people.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 8, 2008 6:52 AM EST reply actions
Of course
We won six straight games against teams with winning records. It’s been a great year, and one bad game is hardly reason to jump off the bridge. At the start of the season I think we would all have been thrilled with an 11-win season, and we are there already. It’s been a better season than we ever could have expected.
Agreed.
You can’t be upset at 11-2, but it sure was an angry three hours for me watching the game. But there’s little worse than fans with a sense of entitlement. You really can’t expect to go 6-0 in the Div.; the Giants were due for a flat game. Now we’ve gotta hope to end the season with the momentum of three wins … starting by killing the Dallas Cowgirls AT Dallas.
Not only was the play calling apparently awful, I felt like McNabb could have set up a table and had a picnic back there in the pocket. No pressure on the QB and failure to contain makes me insane.
Now let’s kill us some Cowgirls.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2008 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not completely
Yes, Gilbride had a bad day. But, he did not drop a touchdown pass, Hixon did. He did not drop a perfect pass that killed a potential scoring drive, Steve Smith did. He had nothing to do with the Giants failure to stop the run. He had nothing to do with the fact that, for the most part, Donovan McNabb had all day to throw the ball. So, it’s not completely on Gilbride, though he has certainly had better days.
Here's a situation:
It’s fourth and short. You have Brandon Jacobs. You have the NYBD. What’s the call?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Also,
What’s with all the tosses and lateral running? Let’s not get cute with Jacobs. The style that’s worked is “Ram it down their throats.” Not, “See if you can sneak around the edge.”
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2008 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Given the hand you were dealt,
you’ve done a really good job on Kudos and Willies this week. You’ve given the best explanation for Gilbride’s choices I’ve read. Maybe he’s trying to send false signals to computers of opponents’ computers that keep track of tendencies?
I don't know
Sometimes you simply outsmart yourself. In a couple of cases I think that’s what Gilbride did yesterday. It happens. It’s one loss. We’re NFC East champs. Let’s be happy!
Teams have figured it out
You stop the run and put the ball in Elis hands and thats how you beat us. Expecially with no plax he took preasure off every single one of our other recievers. Teams have been playing for the run and it is really starting to slow down as of late. If we go into Dallas and loose this game, its going to start to look alot more like the cowboys of last year. Start hot end cold and we saw how there season ended.
Disagree
Jacobs (10 for 52, 5.2 per carry), Ward 8 for 39 (4.9 per carry). The running game was fine for the most part. The Giants lost because of two bad drops, a stupid reverse and some bad defense. Not because of Eli or the running game.
Exactly
In the games we were winning our 3 RBs were totalling over 150 yards a game. 2 dropped passes doesnt account for all of the misses Eli had. Who makes up for the lack of running yards? It has to be Eli and he didnt do it. We will see in dallas, if we thought the phili D was tough today did anyone watch the steelers cowgirls game.
And 2 dropped passes
Doesnt justify going 58 minutes in a pro football game without a single offensive score unless your the detroit lions.
Relax, 77
It was one bad game. We are 11-2. Come back down off the ledge, my friend. It’s been a great ride so far, don’t let one loss ruin your perspective.
Not getting a 150 yards rushing
Was in part due to the playcalling. They had alot less rushing attempts then normal. The averages were still on target.
Part of it is
they had the ball a lot less than normal. The Giants usually dominate the time of possession. Sunday, the defense simply could not get the Eagles off the field.
No...All of it is!
Stop Giving Kevin Killdrive a pass on this! The Giants have the wind at their back, they run. Giants have the wind in their face, they pass. They throw a quick out on 3&8 for 1 yard, then they throw a 30+ yard pass down the left sideline on 4&1. Maybe I’m missing the mark here, but that’s ridiculous play calling.
I’ve seen better play calling in Olympic Curling. I stand by the Giants are 11-2 in spite of Kevin Killdrive. With the talent on this team has they should not be getting shut out by the Eagles until a late 4th QTR meaningless TD. Remember, It was a Blocked FG return, not offensive firepower that had the Giants in the game at half time.
If Kevin Killdrive had called a better game, the Giants, even with the drops and miscues would have probably controlled the clock, and the game. I kept waiting for Spags to walk over and go Buddy Ryan on him for not helping the defense out. I’m happy they are Division Champs…I’m thoroughly disgusted with their performance against the Eagles.
I have to give credit where it is due. Murfdog introduced me to the “Kevin Killdrive” moniker. I couldn’t think of a more appropriate title for him.
by Intellectual Derriere on Dec 8, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Uninspired
Ironic that we were talking Gilbride earlier in the week. Anyway, questionable offensive game plan, dropped passes, no QB pressure, … to me you can still just chalk it up to coming out flat. It happens, and that’s why it’s so rare to see a team go 15-1. Better to have it now than in January. Hopefully the loss helps the team improve, and maybe now the Giants can put together another six-game winning streak.
p.s. I called the Jets overrated when they were 8-3
p.p.s. I picked the 49ers last week and this week
You play to win the game!
Yes, just one bad loss
And let’s not forget that AP has ALWAYS been burned very badly by Westbrook. You can pretty much count on it. The next time they face them I’d like to see Phillips focus on Westbrook both in the running & passing games. He has the speed to be effective against him. Let’s utilize this weapon.
Also, let’s not forget that our D-line got manhandled against CLE too, but then got their heads out of their collective a#$^& and started playing football again. The media storm will die down this week & they can focus again. Clearly the distractions of the past week had SOME affect.
You're right about the media storm, pot.
The game proves it to me. As for Kenny on Westbrook, I don’t see why Spags can’t implement that kind of wrinkle in his game plan.
by george cronin on Dec 8, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
3rd downs
the difference in this game was 3rd down. Like Ed said, our running averages weren’t all that bad (although take away Jacobs’ 23 yarder and he really only averaged like 3 yards per carry), but the problem was that we absolutely could not convert 3rd and short or 4th and short all game. On the other hand, we kept getting the Eagles into 3rd and long situations early, and they kept converting. That was the difference in the game.
Look out Cowgirls, Eli is coming....
Lets face it , did anyone honestly think the Giants were going to win out…….This lost was was expected and i’m glad it happened after the week that the Giants had. I believe they will refocus and take out there fustrations on Dallas. This team has played together all year and collectively they are all on the same page. They will rebound and clinch home field and hopefully knock the cowgirls out of the playoffs…
The Giants are 11-2, when was the last time you were able to say that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Giants………….
"18-1, Write that Book"
Didn't expect them to win out....
but didn’t expect them to lay an egg either. Hey, I’ll take 11-2 and the Division Crown after week 14. Let’s all hope this was just a bump in the road and they will settle in for the stretch.
Does anyone else have an uneasy feeling when they line up for a FG/XP??? Even the announcers pointed out that Alford doesn’t rise up and block after snapping the ball. Everytime they line up now I’m waiting for a LB to hurdle Alford and have a clear shot at the kicker.
by Intellectual Derriere on Dec 8, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone
worried that maybe Giants having homefield advantage may do US more harm than good? NE weather and Eli’s accuracy are not a match. I didn’t get to see the game, but every time its a windy day at the Medowlands, Eli doesn’t look as sharp.
Last year our only bad weather playoff game was the Packers game. It wasn’t NE weather, it was just bone chilling. DOes anyone share my concern?
I'm hoping they...
rediscover the running game down the stretch. Then the weather isn’t as big of a concern.
You are absolutely correct about Eli in the Giants Stadium wind. Eli did have some great throws that where dropped yesterday, but he had some throws that made you scratch you head as well. That’s why they need to get back to having Eli manage the game, and not try to rely on his arm late in the season.
by Intellectual Derriere on Dec 8, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think
Eli didn’t look sharp, I thought he did pretty well considering the wind conditions and, this time, I for one can’t blame him. He’s looked sharp for a while now…any QB has their hiccups. I about threw up my beer when Hixon dropped that pass…what was he looking at.
Has anyone heard anything on Brandon? I haven’t been through all the comments yet…just curious!
Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.
he was 7-for-21
at one point in the game. I don’t know how anyone could possibly call that “looking sharp.”
Home field
Is an advantage, period. I know the reputation was built last year about this being a road team, but they’re 6-1 at home this year. If Gilbride can pull his head back out of the ass where it was for the Philly game, maybe they’ll go run-heavy in the playoffs. I tend to think play-calling gets more conservative come playoff time, with even more attention paid to ball control. I’d be surprised as hell if New York came out and threw 35+ passes in the playoffs at any site.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Just
2 I believe. But I wanna play close attention before I am concerned about it.
The giants are not built for that game
The wind yesterday was SO bad. It carried anything over 5 yards. Both teams had the same game plan “no one is going to pass, stack the box”
However, the giants still tried to pass it deep (eli lucked out on a dropped pick that the wind carried)
The eagles have a mobile QB and make their offense go by rolling him out, forcing someone to respect him running, and pass it 5 yards over his head. There were even some plays in there that looked like the option. This spread the field out right to left on a day it was not being stretched vertically. The Giants couldnt do this – they are no built for it. Then when the giants got into the back field, westbrook came off his block and the shovel pass was there all day. THAT is what the giants needed more of. Not slot receiver across the middle, that was not there at all.
is it just me?
or does gilbride not know how to coach at windy giants stadium
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
Eli
I agree – That bomb to Hix may have been the best long ball I have ever seen Eli throw. Hix makes that catch and walks in, and it is a very different game.
deep breath – next week will be better
Killdrive
This game reminded me so much of the Redskins game from last year as someone mentioned earlier. When the conditions are bad you don’t throw the ball down the field. Everybody know that. You would think Killdrive would have learned that by now.
On the other hand, I agree that it was probably a good thing that the Giants lost this game. They should refocus and play well for the rest of the season and into the playoffs. I would rather it came against Philly than next week in Dallas.
Go G-men
Giants fan from Zantac to Prozac.
except
That long ball was beautiful and should have been caught. Hixon catches that ball and today we are all gushing about what a genius Gilbride is for making the call when no one expected it
That might be....
the only time he made the correct play call. It wasn’t 4th&1, it was 1st&10. That was a beautiful call when he made it. It’s a shame that Hixon doesn’t make that catch.
I don’t think I have, or ever will call Kevin Killdrive a genius. Is he terrible? No. Is he a genius? No. IMHO he’s marginally better than a run of the mill OC. Better than some, worse than others, but certainly not a “genius.”
by Intellectual Derriere on Dec 8, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Phillips
Not to beat up on Kenny because I think he is a phenominal player, but if he makes that tackle on LJ Smith on third and long it may have been a whole different result.
I’ m not saying he deserves a wet willie, I’m just sayin’
Giants fan from Zantac to Prozac.
All well and good, Ed,
but Plax would have made that tackle.
by george cronin on Dec 8, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, yeah
and he would have caught Westbrook from behind. And he would have stuffed the running game. And he would have called better plays than Gilbride. And blocked the field goals the Eagles did make. Oh, and outrun TC down the sidelines, too. And sold some beer in the stands in-between plays. And maybe some shotgun shells.
You forgot about doing color
during breaks and analysis with Terry and the boys at half time.
KP
I think you are right Ed, I was very surprised he didn’t make that tackle.
Giants fan from Zantac to Prozac.

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