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Thoughts on where the Giants stand

After two straight losses, everyone has an opinion on the state of the 11-3 New York Giants. Here is a little of what is being written and said.

From Steve Serby of the New York Post.

Suddenly there are foreboding signs that the champs are losing their grip on that precious Lombardi Trophy.

In the span of two short weeks, they have gone from Supermen to Big Bloopermen.

From Big Blue to Big Blues.

From Bob Glauber of Newsday.

OK, all together: Cleansing breath ... hold it ... and ... exhale. Once more ... and relax.

Memo to Giants fans: Your team still is 11-3. Eli Manning still is the quarterback. Justin Tuck still is rushing the passer. Antonio Pierce and Mathias Kiwanuka, too.

Sure, the injury to Brandon Jacobs is massive, and the absence of Burress hasn't helped in the last two weeks. And yes, the Panthers are coming off another resounding win at home, finishing off an 8-0 record in Carolina.

On the road? Another story; they're 3-3 and end the season at the Giants and at the Saints.

So even with the Dallas loss fresh, and Manning feeling the aches from an ungodly number of sacks (eight) on Sunday night, it will not surprise us to see the Giants respond to their first two-game losing streak in 15 months by beating the Panthers and securing the thing they've been after all along: home-field advantage throughout the conference playoffs.

From Mike Garafolo of the Star-Ledger.

Tom Coughlin can tell me all he wants about how much the players were ready for the challenge, but over the past two weeks, I've seen players get beat off the ball that didn't get beat all season long. That's a sign of complacency in my book - whether conscious or not, and an indication fatigue over playing such a brutal schedule has set in. I expect to see that complacency disappear on Sunday because this team will finally be backed into a corner. And that's when fatigue is overcome by urgency.

My thoughts

I am inclined to agree with Glauber and Garafolo. A two-game losing streak right now is, obviously, not what you want. It isn't the end of the world, either. The Giants have played a brutal schedule, and played brilliantly most of the season. Maybe they are a little gassed, and, as Garafolo said, the urgency seems to have been missing for a couple of weeks.

I would expect that to change Sunday night against Carolina.

Yes, the Giants have some issues on offense. With or without Brandon Jacobs, though, the Giants still have weapons. As for the offensive line, one bad game doesn't mean it has suddenly turned into Swiss cheese.

There are, however a few things I would like to see against the Panthers.

  1. Back up the run. Too often against Dallas the Giants ran once, then passed twice. Even if one run fails to get much, I want to see the Giants back it up and run the ball two, three, four times in a row. Whether Jacobs plays or not. Run-blocking is what the line does best -- so give them a chance to do it.
  2. More Ahmad Bradshaw. Yes, I know I haven't been Bradshaw's biggest booster. The guy is a playmaker, though, so let's get him on the field more. Forget those screens to the useless Mario Manningham, throw them to Bradshaw. The one he caught Sunday almost popped for a big play. Split him out wide and throw him a few short passes. Get him 8-10 carries. The offense needs a spark, let's see if Bradshaw can provide it.
  3. No-huddle offense. I don't want to see this all the time, but Eli Manning has always done it well. Somewhere during the course of the game let's change things up and give him a chance to run it for a series or two. The way things have been going, it can't hurt.
  4. Get the ball to Amani Toomer. The old man of the receiving corps has been an afterthought the past couple of weeks. That needs to change. He may not run by defenders any more, but he makes plays when given the opportunity. Again, let's forget throwing the ball to Manningham and Madison Hedgecock, and try getting the ball to the most prolific receiver in team history. 
  5. Use Domenik Hixon on all returns. I know the Giants have been keeping him off the returns to try and protect him now that he is playing every down at wide receiver. This is a huge game, though, and Hixon is easily the Giants biggest playmaker on both punt and kickoff returns. Sunday night against Carolina isn't one of those games where you can protect him. You need as many touches from him as possible, so get him out there.

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Dec 2008 by Ed Valentine - 14 comments

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Hixon

I don’t get it why he’s on coverage units but he’s not returning kicks. That’s anorexic logic on behalf of the coaching staff.

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 16, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I was really disturbed to see him on kickoff returns as a blocker. If he is out there he should be the return guy. Moss actually isn’t too bad judging from the limited chances he has gotten, but Hixon is the big weapon. Gotta use him.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Hix

I think that the Gmen gotta protect him if they can, maybe even limit his # of KO returns. If he gets hurt too – then the team is in SERIOUS trouble.

They might have to sign Herman Moore as a free agent. Jesus, do you guys remember that? What a F*ing nightmare that was.

by Cody K on Dec 16, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hixon

The Giants need to win a game, then worry about protecting people. Putting Hixon on returns is a risk I think they need to take.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you'll all disagree but..

the giants this year are looking alot like the cowboys did last year. We limped through December with two divisional losses, and two other unconvincing performances, and the giants the last two weeks have reminded me of us last year. It will be interesting to see if you can rebound in the next two weeks or if you are destined for a first round playoff exit. Anyway I look foward to hopefully (If we make it) a rematch in the playoffs.

Btw, when is Jacobs coming back, and whats the latest on your two linemen that went down during the game last week?

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 16, 2008 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

Aussie

We’ll see. It really isn’t a bad comparison. The roles have reversed from a year ago, and Giants fans hope the results don’t. As for Jacobs, we don’t know if he will play this week. As for the lineman, Seubert will be fine (he was ill). We don’t know McKenzie’s status yet.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i see that

But the Giant’s were Slumping at the beginning of December last year as well. I’d like to think we’re like the ’06 Colts

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 16, 2008 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

or

the ‘98 Broncos, or one of a slew of teams who limped into the playoffs and then went on a run. I’m not saying the Giants are definitely gonna snap out of this funk and win it all, but I think they definitely have the talent to do it. In 2002 the Giants were the hottest team in the NFL going into the playoffs – look how that ended up.

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for bringing THAT up

excuse me while I run to the toilet

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 16, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

just trying to point out

that it’s not how you finish the regular season, but how the refs screw you in the playoffs that matters. Or, wait, no….I forget my point.

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

Nice, you’re not bitter though.

LOL

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 16, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We left that in the men's room

where Tiki and Jeff Garcia were supposed to meet up after the game.

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 16, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

referring to how the 2002 season ended up

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 16, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I told you I

would come over and say hi after the game! I must say I greatly enjoyed watching our defense pound on the Giants for 4Q’s! Thanks again for getting together with us last week! Hopefully we will see you again in the playoffs, and if we do maybe another joint post would be in order?

bags030404

by Phillip Baggett on Dec 16, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Sure

Definitely a bad game for the Giants.We will just have to see what happens the rest of the way.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Calvin Johnson

Wouldn’t Calvin Johnson look good in a Giants uniform?

by John W on Dec 16, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Andre Johnson

Would look Better

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 16, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

True

I agree but I don’t think the Texans will let go of him as easily as the Lions would let go of Calvin. The Lions are probably going to go 0-16. The new GM and in all likelihood Head coach would love to start out with a lot of draft picks. Thanks to the Shockey trade we will have a lot of draft picks. I could see the Lions letting him go for a couple of first round picks.

by John W on Dec 16, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

??????????

Is this post serious? There is not a chance on God’s green earth that the lions trade the only great player on their team. I think the fans in Detroit would riot and tear down the stadium, literally.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Dec 16, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree there

no way do they let him go. Could you imagine if he played in a competent offense? The yards would total up by the boatload.

by brisulph on Dec 16, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Think about it.

I agree that it would seem preposterous to give up your only star player but it’s not as if the Lions are one player away from being a playoff team. This is a team that is in need of a complete overhaul.

Put yourself in the Lions shoes. If the Giants offered you two first round picks (or something to that effect), you wouldn’t give up Calvin Johnson? He’s the only player (and maybe the lb Sims) with any trade value. And he’s rapidly approaching free agency.

Look at what the Giants gave up to land Eli. And how that worked out for both teams involved.

Finally, since when have the Lions cared about what their fans think? If they actually cared about the fans Matt Millen would have been gone years ago.

by John W on Dec 16, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody can get traded....

It’s not as proposterous as it sounds. If someone had come on here 2 years ago and said the Giants would trade Jeremy Shockey, we’d have run him out of the room.

Plus, if the Giants traded 3 draft picks for Calvin Johnson, the Lions could pick 3 more WR’s

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 16, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I just can't see the enw management

antagonizing and already kill-ready level fanbase that is at their maximum annoyanace level with the team. Don’t get me wrong, having a stud WR like that would rid the G-Men of the Burress headache and give Eli a new security blanket. I guess it comes down to the Giants being able to extend him once he gets here, and to do that will cost some serious money. Do they have the space under the cap to extend him while taking into account Webster’s new contract and re-signing one of the two RB?

by brisulph on Dec 17, 2008 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This is really

something not worth worrying about. It isn’t going to happen, anyway.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

You know who REALLY needs to step up?

The coaching staff!

Opposing teams are figuring out how to beat the Giants. Without Burress, the young receivers are susceptible to press coverage. Diehl can be beat by a speed rush. Hedgecock in the backfield means it’s a run. Eli doesn’t move much. Spags blitzes all the time; if you can guess where it’s coming from you’ll have an open receiver. Late in the game, his D gets tired and the blitzes don’t work.

In the runup to SB XXV, Parcells and Belichick did one of the most amazing coaching jobs ever, IMHO, They used 2, 3, 4, and 5-man fronts. LT rushed from every position except helicopter. Coughlin, Spagnola, and especially Gilbride have to come up with some new wrinkles. When Bradshaw is getting stuffed at the line, make him a flanker and get him in the open field. Put Manningham and Moss in to run some deep routes to keep the defense winded. Try some double TE formations. Don’t wait until the last second to snap the ball; the defense knows when you’re about out of time. And go to the no huddle and run when the defense is getting sacks. Now, these are silly suggestions because I know less about football than even Joe Buck. But the idea is the coaches have to be more creative in their game planning to give their depleted corps a chance.

by TerraByte on Dec 16, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly

When you’ve got guys down you can’t just line up and bludgeon them to death like before. Yes injuries (and shootings) are a problem, but its a problem for everybody (well, not the shooting). Good coaching staffs figure it out. I think this staff is good, so I expect that we’ll start seeing some changes soon.

by potroast on Dec 16, 2008 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Changes

I think the Giants just have to examine who their playmakers are, and make sure they are designing stuff for the right people. They still have plenty of weapons, but plays designed for Manningham and Hedgecock are a waste at this point.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats what the best coaches do anyway

I think they will but, I am wondering why the coaches can’t at least tell Manningham to run as fast as he can in a straight line down the field and at least try to draw an occasional interference call. Ditto Moss. It’s just as good as a catch and you don’t have to pass the Wunderlic test to master it.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Dec 16, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Moss

If he is healthy this week I would like to see the Giants try to get him down the field to stretch the defense. I have more faith in him than Manningham right now.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

great suggestions

these in particular:

Put Manningham and Moss in to run some deep routes to keep the defense winded.

I like this because the team has to figure out a way to stretch the field and open up the underneath routes for Smith/Toomer/Boss

Try some double TE formations.

Agreed, and don’t be afraid to change it up and bootleg play action out of this.

Don’t wait until the last second to snap the ball; the defense knows when you’re about out of time.

This one KILLS US. The D can pin their ears back and GO when they can time it to “00” on the play clock. I think that sometimes the GMen have to go quick count (especially at home) or on the first sound to try to catch the D off-guard.

This is yet another Gilbride criticism. He takes way too damn long getting the plays in and then when by the time Eli can dissect and acknowledge the D, there is 1-2 seconds left on the play clock. That’s going to ultimately get Eli killed.

by Cody K on Dec 16, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This win is MORE important to the Panthers

The Panthers still have NOT clinched a playoff spot! There are 3 or 4 teams (I think ATL, Bucs and Cowgirls), that if they win out, and the Panthers lose the next 2… the Panthers would NOT make the playoffs. A loss Sun and they would have to win in New Orleans, against a nothing to lose Saints team, just to make the playoffs!

They will come to NY all in! Just don’t get confused when you hear “Steve Smith TD for another TD”.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 16, 2008 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

your Steve Smith

killed me in fantasy football this weekend. I also have terrible memories of him from the ‘06 playoff game. I hate that dwarf. He’s flat out awesome though…

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That was the year he pretty much carried our whole team. All you had to do was put 2 or 3 defenders on him to shut our whole team down. This year is a little different cause we have a legit running game, with or without Smitty… which benefits him greatly. Hopefully he can make a few more bad memories for ya ;)

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 16, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

How Many Snaps

Was Eli in the Shotgun last game? He was getting slaughtered and i can only distinctly remember a couple times

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 16, 2008 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Im going with Newsday on this one

the Giants have been looking forward to the playoffs for a while now. Why else would Pierce have been in a club 2 days before a game?

They will snap back into it when the time comes.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 16, 2008 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

That's what us

Cowboys fans were saying last year. For your sake, I hope you’re right. For my sake, I hope you’re wrong. =)

John 14:6

by DMorgan on Dec 16, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have faith in our team and our coaches.

The last two weeks were awful. We’ve also been bitten by the injury bug. That said we had a chance to win both of those games in the 4th quarter. It’s been down to one possession until the last five minutes both times. I’m not prepared to believe that we’re “falling apart” just yet. I’ll believe it when the season’s over.

by NYcON on Dec 16, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

I agree.

This team is too talented to not put it together.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 16, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Some on the team may be complacent.

I certainly am. Sure, there are things that need to be addressed, but I’m convinced all will be well.

by george cronin on Dec 16, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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