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'Kudos & Wet Willies,' I'm back edition

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You may have noticed that I have been missing in action for a few days. My family and I have been among those in upstate New York affected by the Great Ice Storm of 2008.

Beginning late Thursday night, about a quarter-million homes and businesses were without power. There are still more than 50,000 customers without light or heat, and with high winds and warm temperatures today it could get worse. In fact, there are news reports this morning of more trees and power lines falling.

We had power restored in my neighborhood Sunday evening, just in time for me to watch Giants-Cowboys using an old pair of rabbit ears. Cable and Internet were restored after midnight.

I don't know how many of you live near this area, but if you do I hope you are making out OK. I am 48 years old, and this is easily the most damaging storm I have seen in this area.

We were lucky. We have a fireplace that gave us a little warmth, and we were able to purchase a generator Saturday (Merry Christmas to us). I know of people who sat in homes with temps in the 40s for days.

So, I didn't abandon you guys. And I'm back

Now if we could just find the Giants. The team that went 11-1 and became the talk of the NFL is also MIA.

There are no 'Kudos' today. If I was going to give one, I would give it to John Carney, the old man who continued his nearly flawless season with two field goals Sunday. Pretty much, though, it is 'Wet Willies' all the way around.

Star-divide

The Giants have some serious problems on offense right now. They have receivers who can't get open. They have a running game that can't consistently make plays. They have an offensive line that gave up eight sacks Sunday night and looked helpless in pass protection.

Yes, the Giants are missing Plaxico Burress. And I hope those of you who don't understand Brandon Jacobs' importance to the Giants learned something last night.

Without their two biggest playmakers on offense, what I saw last night was a team that is no longer sure what its personality is, or who can make a play.For two games now, the team that had the league's best offense through 12 games has looked completely inept.

I know some of you will kill offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride today for Sunday's play-calling. I felt Gilbride abandoned the run too quickly last night, but I can't put all the blame on him. Fact is, nothing the Giants did worked. It seemed to me like Gilbride was searching for something that would work, and never found it.

Much of that is on the offensive line. Maybe the 'New York Blocking Department' should put away the T-shirts and figure out a way not to get Manning killed. Oh, and opening a hole for a running back would be nice, too.

DeMarcus Ware absolutely embarrassed David Diehl all night. The fact that Kareem McKenzie and Rich Seubert didn't finish the game was also a problem, even if McKenzie was also struggling. If McKenzie had been out there, Kevin 'Penalty' Boothe would not have been.

Manning wasn't great last night. I can't be critical of him, though, since he spent his night simply trying to finish it standing up.

Defensively, the Giants were OK but there are still problems. The safety the Giants recorded was a mistake by the Cowboys on the snap count, not a great play by the defensive line.

Fact is, it has become obvious that the Giants can no longer get pressure on quarterbacks with a four-man rush. That leaves defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo bringing the house on almost every play, and leaves the Giants susceptible to the big play.

We have seen that kill the Giants two weeks in a row, giving up long touchdown runs to Brian Westbrook and Tashard Choice.

Right now, Tom Coughlin has a lot of problems to solve. He has little time to solve them, too, with red-hot Carolina coming to Giants Stadium Sunday in a game that will determine home-field advantage in the playoffs.

The question is, do the Giants have the pieces that will enable them to solve those problems? That's a huge question. I don't know the answer.

 

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Something about this win makes me feel good

They can go back to the chip on their shoulder, Us against the World Giants that won lthem the Super Bowl last year. Now there will be a big panthers bandwagon and the giants will be pissed. I think this team along with the injuries got high on their own fumes.

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i still felt like i was being kicked in the nuts during the game

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But, the other problem is things went so well for so long maybe we all overestimated the talent on offense. Without Burress AND Jacobs this offense is not the same. Still, we are in the playoffs and the Cowboys are still a maybe. I’d rather be the Giants right now.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe?

Maybe you overestimated the talent of Gilbride. Go listen to Carl Banks. He just trashed your guy.

by andy f. on Dec 19, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are Panther fans allowed?

I left a few comments on the Denver blog last week. And one of their members found it highly offensive that someone would talk smack. Imagine that? Smack about a football game? What a quandary??

Now with that being said, I can’t in all honesty talk as much as I did to Denver… knowing there is a MUCH great chance this week that I would have to eat my words.

We are somewhat similar in the sense that the Panthers usually play better as an underdog, and don’t handle glory well. And while I am sure we are still an underdog, they are feeling pretty confident right now. AND we haven’t played all that well on the road. So I am a little worried.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 15, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, belly up to the bar....

I often visit our opponent’s blogs the week before a game. The members of blogs are true fanatics and offer more insight than the headline grabbing superficial comments of the talking heads on ESPN or other analyists. There is very little of the “You’re an idiot” stuff around here, mostly thoughtful, realistic discussions about our teams.

I live in the Carolinas and have followed the Panthers since their inception. John Fox continues to do a good job as head coach, and your team is having a great run this year. The game this Sunday night promises to be very exciting. Naturally we think we can win. The memories of the pounding the Panthers previously gave us is still strong in our memories and we are anxious to “set things straight.” We also have a great need to rebound from two lousy games back to back.

by giant fan since 57 on Dec 16, 2008 6:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tunnel

You are certainly welcome here, provided the conversation stays friendly.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2008 6:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you know

I’ve never met a Panthers fan in person before. Not using that as a knock on your fanbase, I just don’t know anyone from the Carolinas, which is strange b/c I have a bunch of friends from Georgia for some random reason (and for them its all Dawgs all the time. The Falcons are just a nice Sunday diversion). Anyway, welcome to BBV, I’m always interested to hear the perspective of fanbases that we don’t normally encounter (basically, anyone but the ’Boys, Eagles, Skins, Steelers, Patriots, and Jets).

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 7:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad your back and everybody is safe Ed....

and ignore the rumors that I was measuring your office and looking at new furniture.

I don’t even know where to begin on the game, so I won’t.

I will say this, and I don’t want to hear any of that “oh you’re all gloom and doom” crap:

If the Giants don’t figure this out, and quick, Carolina is going to steamroll them. I watched them yesterday, they look like the Giants of a month ago.

The Giants are in dire need of an upgrade at Linebacker, at all 3 positions. What the Giants have there now is a guy that has become an average middle LB, and then a whole bunch of “4th linebackers”.

John Madden should just go work for the Cowboys, it’s disgusting to hear him gush over that team all the time.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 15, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's not Madden's fault

that Jason Witten is the most impressive human being in the history of the world.

by Mount17 on Dec 15, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw a Cowboys fan on their blog

say that Witten is the best TE in the league. No way he’s better than Gates or even Tony G (by the way, how much do you wish we had traded for him after all??)

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Witten is one of the most complete TE's in the game.

While he may not be as dynamic in the passing game as Gates or Gonzales, his blocking prowess is far and above those two guys.

I would also say that Boss is quickly climbing the ranks as one of the best in the league.

by Brandon Worley on Dec 15, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt Witten is the best TE

In case you don’t know, TEs have to block as well and no TE blocks as well as Witten.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 15, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

umm..

Kleinsasser? he’s like a third tackle. Witten does catch the ball and block.. well but Jim Kleinsasser is the best blocking Tight end. Fasano is also a better blocker than Witten just not as rounded

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1st

there are TE’s who block better than Witten, as Hoyadestroya mentioned. 2nd, Gates is not a terrible blocker and he’s a much better receiver than Witten. Witten’s very good, I don’t deny that, but he’s not as good as Gates.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know yards aren't everything

But Witten is ahead 200 yards. In all honesty I think Witten is overall the best in the league when it comes to being a receiver and blocker combined. I’ve actually never have seen such an uproar when the idea was brought up. Its not the most absurd thing anyone has ever said.

by witten82 on Dec 15, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whitten is the best

at running across the field like a little girl.

No doubt.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jr, I thought last night

he was far worse thqn usual. You’r right, truly disgusting.

by george cronin on Dec 15, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a Cowboys fan, even I can't stand to listen to network broadcasters.

Is it too much to ask for these guys to just remain objective? Madden for some reason as always had a man-crush on the Cowboys and I can imagine that has to be sickening to listen to as another fan.

Kinda like having to listen to Gary Danielson do an SEC game on CBS.

That’s why I sync the game with the Cowboys radio broadcast; I know I am getting homerism for sure that way.

by Brandon Worley on Dec 15, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Powerless Giants"

I live in New Hampshire & we got hit really hard too. Fortunately I live right on the coast & it wasn’t quite as bad here. I didn’t even lose power at all actually, but my friends & fiance’s family both live more inland and still do not have power. They might not have power until late this week. So we’ve had a packed house as friends & family have been staying over for days to ride it out.

I think the major problems lie with the offense. When Jacobs gets back & they can get back to what they do best … running the ball & play action passing, then we might be ok. I don’t think the offense will get to the level of a few weeks ago without Plax, but it can still win.

The defense is just flat tired right now. If the offense can get back to what they were doing, then the D will be ok. We’ve had issues at LB for a few years now, so there is not the reason. Sure we miss Osi, but we haven’t really been getting great pressure on good offensive lines all season with the front 4. We’ve had to blitz a lot this year to get pressure (again on good O-lines). This D will be ok I think. I’m putting the onus on the offense to get back to controlling the game.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Defense

I think ‘jrs’ has a good point. This team simply has no real playmakers at linebacker. They are very average. Also, to me, the defensive line is tired and getting no push at all. The Giants only get near the QB when they blitz.
Offensively, they have to figure out how to get people blocked. Period.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He does have a good point

I’m just saying that our current problems have not developed because of poor LB play because we haven’t had great LB play the last 2 years and we were still winning.

The blocking is very worrisome, but again if the Giants can get back to running the ball well, then the pass protections will be easier. Maybe I’m putting too much faith in Jacobs & really we miss Plax too much even in the running game. We’ll see I guess.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The tired D-Line

is the main reason I think it is imperative to win next week – that would basically give them 2 weeks of rest and only 2 potential games before another off week. I think an underated part of the SB is that the D-Line had a week off before – that might have been the difference between almost getting to Brady in Week 17 and killing him in the SB.

by Mount17 on Dec 15, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

Getting a bye is absolutely critical for this team right now. They may not have had many major injuries this season, but the wear and tear is beginning to show. Keep in mind the early bye week they had this season.

by BigBlue4Life on Dec 15, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As for the storm

this is really, really bad. I’m looking out my window at my neighbors yard, which is full of downed trees — that’s the case everywhere. And the weather is going to make it worse today.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Same thing inland here. The local media is saying this is the worse storm to ever hit the region.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s the worst of this type (not counting snowstorms) that I can ever remember. I’ve never seen this kind of damage around here.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

Of any playoff team, I’m scared of Carolina.

I think if they win this sunday, I think Carolina represents the NFC in the SB.

The way teams have played at home in the NFC South. I just don’t see any NFC playoff team going into there and winning, including the Giants in their current state.

If the Giants take care of them, no small task, then they secure home field and a bye and a half. Since the vikings game won’t matter.

The Giants desperately need the bye week, if they lose to Carolina and then get into a dog fight with the Vikings for the bye. I’m not sure how far their playoff run goes.

They looked totally inept last night, but I think there were a few times the Dallas secondary got away with defensive holding.

This sunday is going to be the difference for the remainder of the season for the Giants.

by Woogie526 on Dec 15, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carolina

I don’t know that the Giants can beat Carolina right now. Even if they were on top of their game it would be a tough game. I’m hoping the Giants can get healthy and get hot again. Let’s remember that they didn’t even win their final reg season game last year & then went on their run. Hopefully they can get hot at the right time again. It’s been the monkey in the room all season that the hot team usually wins, but now we are faced with the reality that we are not the hot team right now.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Carolina is a force right now. Williams and Stewart don’t look like they are gonna stop anytime soon. I’m not saying they definitely rep the NFC, but they are a scary team right now.

by witten82 on Dec 15, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is crazy talk!

You guys sound like us Carolina fans. The one game we have had circled all year as a definite loss was this one. Could it be that the potential 2 best teams in the NFC both are scared silly of each other? I do think the Panthers can win, but you guys are more in position to win then you think. Your D might be able to slow down Deangelo and Stewart, and if you rattle Jake he WILL turn the ball over… which also means Steve Smith will not be a factor.

But they are a bit of a Jeckly and Hyde team. Sometimes we expect the above and they play lights-out. Need-less to say this should be a very fun game!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 15, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I brought this thing up a few weeks ago

But is it time for the G-Men to work on a single-wing/Wildcat Doodad?

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No

Forget the trick stuff. Let’s figure out how to get the basic stuff blocked again. The Giants are a power, ball control offense and they have to be able to block and get first downs. If they can’t do that, tricks won’t help.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that i don't like

Is Tuck on the inside with Tollefson on the outside.. I haven’t watched any tape to further my conjecture just by what i’ve seen, but it doesn’t work now because guys just double team tuck because we don’t have osi or strahan for other teams to worry about.. Tollefson can be blocked one on one easily by a solid left tackle.

at this point our draft needs IMO
1.LB
1a. Big WR
3. 3 Technique Defensive Tackle
4. O-Line
5. Tight End (Eli needs a real Hot target)

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 10:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tuck

They did that last night only to try and take advantage of Proctor. Putting Tuck and Kiwi together in passing situations makes sense since they are the best pass rushers.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, they desperately need an OLB

not sure about 1a, as I wouldnt let Plax go anyway, but thats another issue

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 15, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So many things to worry about after this one.

I thought we could get by with the LBs we have. Wrong. I thought we could make it w/o Plax AND BJ. Wrong. You were right when you suggested we couldn’t make it w/o BJ, Ed. The offensive line worries me, too. They were worn down by the end of the game. The bright side is that there is plenty of time to make adjustements. Were you in Ontario County during the last bad ice storm, Ed? I was lucky and had no power for no more than a few days, but some went for 7-10 days.

by george cronin on Dec 15, 2008 10:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the linebackers are the problem

I mean, a problem, maybe, but hardly the biggest one. If the game is close and the Cowboys aren’t pounding the ball for the entire fourth quarter, I don’t think they look like as much of an issue. The problem is that there just isn’t enough talent on offense when you remove the two best players at two important skill positions from the mix. Perhaps some of us were a little too quick to say that this team wouldn’t miss Burress and Hixon would be just as effective?

by JoshNY on Dec 15, 2008 10:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LB's

Josh, the linebackers can’t cover anyone out of the backfield. Pierce looks old, slow, and distracted. Danny Clark is an ok player, but a definite step down from Kavika Mitchell, whose value I think the Giants underrated. Chase Blackburn is a nice player, but he is what he is, a 4th linebacker and a good special teamer. Gerris Wilkinson can’t seem to walk to the bathroom without getting hurt, and we haven’t seen enough of the rooks to know what we have in them.

Giants are sitting fat with 3 picks in the 1st two rounds. If you asked me right now, I say grab 2 LB’s and a WR with those picks.

I never thought they wouldn’t miss Burress, but I didn’t realize they would be completely incapable without him. I also think they miss his run blocking. He isn’t Rod Smith, but he is a decent run blocker. Could be why those runs to the outside are not as effective as they were before Plax “Frank Burns-ed” himself.

Dating myself with a M*A*S*H reference.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 15, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think youre overvaluing Mitchell

He made a few big plays, particularly against the Bills, but he wasnt exactly a stand out player for much of last year

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 15, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mitchell vs. Clark

Maybe Mitchell is being overvalued. But, based on the body of work we’ve seen this season he is a better player than Clark. To me, Kiwi would have been the playmaking LB, but the injury to Osi messed that up.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

kiwi

also would be a surrogate 3-4 OLB on passing downs.. he would be blowing by guys and it would enable us to rush 3 and drop back an end or tackle

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

while rushing Kiwi standing up

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well compared to Clark, sure

But we definitely need a real OLB

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 15, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying the LBs are great or anything

But the Cowboys scored 20 points, which is ~3 points more than the Giants have been giving up, on average, all season – they’re averaging 17.6 points against now, which if my math is right was 17.4 points against before last night. The Cowboys are averaging 23.7 points per game, slightly down from the 24 points they were averaging before last night.

On the other hand, even after last night, the Giants are averaging 26.7 points scored per game, and the Cowboys are averaging 20.6 points allowed.

This is all a roundabout way of saying that the defense did their job reasonably well last night (not perfectly, certainly, but passably; they kept it close into the fourth quarter while the offense was stuck on 3 points scored) – and the offense sucked.

Now, of course, “the defense did their job well enough” isn’t the essence of Giants football, and we know we’d like them to be able to do better, but they held a pretty good offense to a reasonable number of points. They knocked Romo on his ass a bunch. The defense may have looked mediocre yesterday, but the offense was abysmal. (Yes, I know I’m stating the obvious.)

by JoshNY on Dec 15, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets put this in perspective

I would agree the Giants loss has a lot to do with Plax, but does anyone think it could be a mental thing, 2 game hangover as a result of all the attention? The Giants have played fine with out him quite often. Its way too soon to hit the panic button.

What we are not talking about here is that its 2 games the Giants lost knowing they were in the playoffs. They choose to rest BJ last night. Im sure he could have played. The team did not have the sense of urgency the cowboys did. Thats understandable, but I do not want to see anyone get hurt over it.

Now if the Giants dont get home field – is that really a bad thing? Last year they won all their playoff games on the road. The meadowlands is a crappy place to play in December/Jan, as we saw against Philly Eli is useless in the cold/wind and this is not really a team that hangs its hat on cold weather ala Buffalo or GB.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 15, 2008 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Home field or no home field

Its going to be a short winter Charlie Brown if they don’t start playing better

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 15, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen Brother

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know its not what they did last year

but cruising into the playoffs is a liberty good teams have.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 15, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts

I mean, we’re missing two top skills players. Jacobs and Plax are both one of kind physical specimens. It’s stupid to think we could just keep going like nothing happened. Ward doesn’t look the same to me. He’s missing that burst, which I’d imagine is because he’s run down. This has gotta be the most he’s ever played in his whole career. And sweet merciful crap is Boothe terrible. He makes me long for Bob Whitfield. It’s not bad enough he have to watch him get beat, and then watch his fat ass jiggle in slow motion on the replay. Excuse me while I throw up.

by queler on Dec 15, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the lack of identity on offense.

And to tell the truth, I think relying on Jacobs to come back and suddenly make the offense what it was is unrealistic. He’s good – yes – but his absence is being used as an excuse for the crappy line play the last two games.

Plus Eli was holding the ball way too long last night. Dallas was killing us with screen passes – we should have tried to do the same to them.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2008 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

about the screen passes. Also maybe some quick slants. We should be familiar with how to beat teams that pressure the QB, since that’s how all of our losses have come

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

GILBRIDE WANT THROW DEEP

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Screens

There were a few screens. One to Manningham that failed. One to Bradshaw that worked. I have issues with some of the play calls, too, but this is not all on him. When receivers can’t get open and blockers can’t block anything that you call is going to look like crap. That’s what happened last night.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why are we running these types of plays...

with possibly the slowest WR on the team. I’d like to see Moss doing those types of plays, I know he got hurt later in the game (again, jeez)

by queler on Dec 15, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok fine - no one was open

but then isn’t it incumbent on someone at some point in time to say, hey, our receivers are not getting open – we need to stop taking sacks so let’s run closer routes or screens or trap draws? Or roll the pocket more, or something? 8 sacks is ridiculous.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it is

But, we did roll the pocket a few times. And we did try to complete a lot of short balls. It didn’t work. There were times Eli was getting hit before he even finished dropping back. It was just a horrible, horrible effort. Blame for everyone, from Gilbride right down to Kevin Boothe.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to assign separate blame to each of Boothe's

ass cheeks, if I may.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good

I’m not the only one that was constantly horrified by the slow-replay of his ass-cheeck ripples, it was like Homer on the treadmill

by queler on Dec 15, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just an awful, awful performance

particularly by the offense. Obviously, it’s very worrying. Hopefully once Jacobs comes back things will get back to normal, but I think it’s pretty obvious that we all underrated how important Plax was to this offense. Hixon has looked flat out bad the last 2 weeks, dropping should be TD’s in back-to-back games. And I think Ward may be costing himself a lot of money in Jacob’s absence – he just hasn’t looked like an every down back.

I agree with Jrs about the linebackers, but fact is there’s nothing we can do about it right now, and I don’t even want to think about the draft yet. The Giants are still NFC East Champs. They need Jacobs to come back, the line to get its act in gear, and they need to go out and beat Carolina next week, to ensure a bye (and home-field, but to me the bye is more important. I just don’t want it to come down to having to beat the Vikings on the road to get the bye).

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Plax/Hixon

There were a few of us who were trying to say how important Plax was to the offense and how Hixon couldn’t carry his jock strap, but we were getting drowned out. That being said Hixon has been really banged up the last few weeks (there was talk earlier in the week he might not play), so I’m still holding out hope I was wrong. Maybe if Hixon can overcome his injuries soon then he will start making some plays. We need him.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, pot, the opposing secondary is roughing up Hixon something

fierce (something they couldn’t do to the much bigger Plax.) He’s hurting and not living up to the flashes of brilliance he demonstrated before he started playing so much. He still can do one thing Plax couldn’t—his speed helps him get clear deep. Of course, Eli has to have the time to get it to him and Hix has to make the catch if Eli succeeds.

by george cronin on Dec 15, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea

I knew losing him would affect us, but I didn’t think it would be this bad w/o him. Granted, there are other factors, I don’t think it’s fair to say that Plax is the only reason the offense has been so bad, but it’s definitely a factor. Also, we may have overvalued our other receivers a bit. We have a couple of good #2 receivers, but Plax was the only guy with real #1, big-play talent. Smith is as good a 3rd down-receiver as you can ask for, but he doesn’t stretch the field the way Plax does.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hix

The problem too is the drops. Eli almost hit him on that bomb that Hix dropped up the sideline.

Hix has GOTTA make the plays. And the dropsies have got to go. Boss’ drop hurts too. Even Toomer’s drop on the tipped pass (which would have been a tough play….but still)

by Cody K on Dec 15, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

about over-valued receivers, but I am not sold quite yet on the idea that Plax would have made much of a difference last night. The O-Line seemed to be absent which gave Eli no time to make his reads. The Dallas secondary, from what I saw, had very good coverage downfield which made everything much harder.

by BigBlue4Life on Dec 15, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but that's the beauty of Plax

he’s so big that he doesn’t even really need to be open. How many times has Eli just heaved it up to him right before getting hit, and Plax makes some ridiculous contortion with his body to make the catch. Plax has his faults, many of them, but he was possibly the best “safety” outlet in the NFL.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is ALL on Gilbride

Sorry but much of the blame falls directly on his shoulders.

Look, the D kept the Giants in the game long enough to win it, so I can’t pile it on them. I know that they did give up some big plays and I know that they were unable to deliver any knockout blows (ie no turnovers).

But seriously, this is on Gilbride. As far as him looking for something that would work, I think it was obvious to EVERYONE that on a night where the T’s were getting utterly ABUSED by Dallas’ D – you HAVE TO (HAVE TO!!) figure out a way to protect your QB and open up the offense.

Watching a game like that makes me wonder if Gilbride knows that he is allowed to make in-game adjustments. I wonder if he is aware that when Dallas’ D is generating major MAJOR pressure on your QB and that you are only down by ONE SCORE (I’m referring to the 4th when the GMen were down 14-8) that you don’t have to go to a 7-step drop and allow Dallas to BLOW UP your QB.

What makes this all the more infuriating is the way Garret made in-game adjustments. Garret saw how challenging running the ball would be. Garret saw how much Romo was getting beat up. So what did Garret do? Did he have Romo take 7-step drops? Nope. He adjusted. He called some slip screens. Quick dump-offs. Anything to stem the pressure and the beating. And you know what? It worked. Gilbride should look at the clinic Garret put on last night and watch it over and over. Gilbride’s inflexibility is simply infuriating. Watching this team struggle is so frustrating because I can’t help but think about how much more powerful they would be with a competant play-caller.

by Cody K on Dec 15, 2008 12:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've gotta agree with this

Gilbride was looking good earlier in the season, before we really hit any adversity, but in the 3 losses he really hasn’t adjusted his gameplan at all, which was a big criticism of him last year as well.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm anti, obviously...

I like to think that my personal feelings for Kevin Gilbride don’t affect my opinions – but I just think that he has to figure out a way to get better. I know that NYG was without some weapons and there was some turmoil on the O line – but that’s all the more reason to branch out of the offense. I mean I just find it hard to believe that there was no way to get Bradshaw more involved, you know? Or even on the play where Boss was split out; you couldn’t run a TE screen out of that formation?

AHH! It infuriates me to think about it.

BUT – I gotta say; I DO think that this team can get it figured out. Carolina has a stout D and a solid running game; but I think that NYG will force Delhomme to beat them. And I think next week the O will open up - it just has to. Right?

by Cody K on Dec 15, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

especially about the Carolina game. I think momentum is overrated in the NFL. 2 weeks ago the Giants looked like worldbeaters, and have looked like crap 2 weeks in a row. Look at the Jets – they were the hottest team in the NFL, beat Tennessee, then looked awful 2 games in a row before (sorta) pulling out of it yesterday. The Eagles looked dead in the water after the Cincy game, and now they’re the hottest team in the league. I still think the Giants are the best football team in the league this year, they just need to figure it out on the field again.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not ALL Gilbride

Losing our 2 best offensive weapons and O-linemen had a lot to do with it too, but I do agree with this as well. He just flat out refuses to change what he does. Infuriating is the perfect term for it.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's not

Yes, he made some questionable calls. But, he isn’t blocking (neither was the O-Line). He also isn’t running routes and failing to get open. He also isn’t throwing off-target passes, which Eli did on a couple of occasions. This was just a total offensive meltdown BY THE PLAYERS.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gilbride

I have to say more here. It’s simply too easy to say this is all Gilbride. You have breakdowns everywhere. Receivers. Running backs. Blockers. Yes, I thought they abandoned the run game too quickly. But, players have to get the job done. The Giants were physically manhandled by the Cowboys defense, and that is about players getting beaten, not coaches.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else catch this during last nights broadcast?

When Al Michaels was describing how Coughlin was kicking himself for not going to the no huddle against Philly? Then they proceeded to not use it against Dallas?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 15, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Didn’t catch it, as I was in a bar, and the broadcaster’s words were muddy at best (Thank God, since I didn’t have to listen to Madden extole the virtues of the Boys). However, I did make a similar statement to my fellow Giants fans. We do so well with a no huddle offense, we definitely should’ve incorporated it at least at the beginning of the 4th quarter, when winning the game was starting to look like a pipe dream.

by OleMissGal on Dec 15, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Weather could be a big factor Sunday

Rain expected, temps in the 30’s at gametime

While I am normally jealous of Giants season ticket holders, Sunday night will not be one of those occasions if that is an accurate forecast.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 15, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that makes me happy

A friend offered me tickets, but I have a big paper due the next day, so I turned them down.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's going to be...

almost the last game for a lot of them too

by queler on Dec 15, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Spagnuolo

Your description of his reaction to the front 4 not getting pressure reminds me a lot of his mentor… That’s the Jim Johnson way. If the front 4 can’t get there, he sends the house every play and certainly does leave the team vulnerable.

by JasonB on Dec 15, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to do that...

you need to be able to trust your DBs in single coverage. I like Ross and Webster and Phillips, but I don’t know that I trust them in single coverage on Owens and Williams and Witten on a repeated basis.

by JoshNY on Dec 15, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I trust them

in that style you do give up a play every so often. The Giants have actually gotten burned on running plays the last two weeks because, once you break the line against the blitz, there is no one in center field to make the play.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This pic just into the BBV Newsroom

Utility crews work feverishly to restore power to Big Blue View Headquarters in Upstate NY

Ice Storm

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 15, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You ever see

a power pole snapped off at the top? I’ve seen too many of those lately.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was outside

fixing my fence Saturday morning because some limbs fell on it and knocked it over when a limb fell down on my neighbor’s wires and sent sparks flying and it sounded like gun fire. Needless to say it scared me enough to get back inside.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

I saw some really scary things. Limbs on buildings, on wires, laying next to or over cars, etc.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

Ed, I think you’d need to include Feagles in your possible kudos. He had some fantastic punts last night, w/o which the Cowboys might have put a few more points on the board and really embarrassed us. I know we mention it a lot, but Feagles really is such an important player, especially when the offense isn’t playing very well.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ice storms suck

almost as bad as the Giants last night. That brings back unpleasant memories of my last year of high school… That was an awful week (just glad I did not live in Montreal, as they lost 80% of their power feed for weeks due to the massive steel towers giving way under the weight of the ice).

As for the Giants, I do not know what to say about them, other than what I watched the last two weeks reminds me of their act before last year’s play-off run/this year till two weeks ago. I hope this gets corrected quickly, because going back to dreading each game on a sunday instead of looking forward to it is not something I am quite ready as a Giants fan to accept.

Worst of all, you know Eli will get smashed by the masses of fans from other teams, when he is not at fault in either of the last two games (I mean, Hixon dropped a for sure TD last week and another huge gainer this week that he should have had).

by brisulph on Dec 15, 2008 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Right on Eli

He simply can not complete passes when nobody is getting open & he doesn’t have time. We need Plax for those situations and we don’t, so everyone else has to step up.

by potroast on Dec 15, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can any quarterback?

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 15, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you and family are safe.

Yeah the 2 kickers did well. That’s about all the real positives. Injuries have finally caught up with the offense although hopefully all are back for Carolina.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Dec 15, 2008 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bad news

when the kickers are the only good things you can talk about.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2nd that

meant to mention it earler – stay warm, Ed – and all on the east coast.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm warm now

Unfortunately, there are about 50,000 families who still aren’t.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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