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What they're saying about Plax

Plaxico Burress is, of course, the main story for New York Giants fans today after turning himself in to authorities this morning.

Here is the video of a non-limping Burress turning himself in. 'Kudos' to 'Shutdown Corner' for posting it first.

The national football writers are having a field day with this, and I have yet to find anyone willing to defend Burress.

Here are some samples.

From Don Banks of SI.com:

Call it the tipping point, or the reaching of critical mass, but the feeling you get is that the Giants are nearing the "enough is enough" stage with Plaxico Burress. The self-inflicted gunshot wound that Burress suffered Friday night is only the latest example of New York's No. 1 receiver doing himself and -- by extension -- the organization harm. Burress has simply become more trouble than he's worth for a team that has almost everyone else pulling in the same productive direction.

And here's a newsflash: The Giants don't even need him. Not desperately, at least. Not enough to warrant all the rest that now goes with being the Keeper of the Plax. Not with Domenik Hixon emerging as a receiving threat. Not with young talents like (the other) Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss and Mario Manningham waiting in the wings. Not with the ageless Amani Toomer still capable of getting it done. Not with quarterback Eli Manning playing at the top of his game and spreading the ball around like a true socialist.

From Matt Mosley of ESPN:

Until now, the Giants have put up with Burress' antics because he's an absolute warrior on Sundays. His heroics in last season's NFC title game and game-winning touchdown in the Super Bowl outweighed his childish behavior on and off the field. But he has taken it to a different level this season. At age 31, you start losing the "immaturity" excuse.

When he disappeared the day after a win over the Bengals, he later explained that he was dropping his son off at school. It was a lame excuse, and he wasn't able to account for why he didn't notify the club about his absence. He displayed little remorse for his actions and then later had the audacity to tell Fox's Pam Oliver that his transgressions are "what makes Plaxico Plaxico."

Burress' saving grace has always been his immense talent and propensity for making clutch plays. But heading into Sunday's game, which he wasn't going to play in anyway because of an injured hamstring, he had 35 catches for 454 yards and four touchdowns. Those are pretty solid numbers -- for a No. 2 wide receiver.

If Burress had any common sense, he'd look around and realize that the Giants have proven that they can win without stars such as Tiki Barber, Michael Strahan, Jeremy Shockey and Osi Umenyiora. The bedrock of the Coughlin theory for winning championships is that no individual is above the team. Burress has challenged the authority of Coughlin and Reese throughout the season. Now, they have an excuse to teach him the ultimate lesson.

From Peter King's Monday Morning Quarterback:

I think you can make book on Plaxico Burress playing elsewhere in 2009, assuming he's not in jail. (And that may not be the best assumption right now.) In fact, I expect the Giants to either de-activate him the rest of the season or place him on the non-football injury list for the rest of the year, effectively ending his career with the New York Giants. Amazing, amazing story.

Giants GM Jerry Reese negotiated a great contract to lock up Burress before the season, making it about as safe a deal as he could, with miniscule guarantees. The Giants can cut or trade Burress after the season and simply eliminate $23 million of the $27-million-in-new-money deal he signed with the Giants. In effect, as I said on NBC last night, when I examine the deal, I see the contract totally on the come. And the first big test of this contract will come on Dec. 10, when Burress is due $1 million from the original and only guaranteed money in the deal, the third installment of a $4.325-million signing bonus when he signed. Let me break down all of the non-guaranteed money in the Burress deal that makes it absolutely simple for the Giants to cut the cord with him after the season:

  • Non-guaranteed base salaries: $11.5 million ($1 million in 2009, $3.5 million in 2010, $3.5 million in 2011, $3.5 million in 2012).
  • Non-guaranteed one-time bonus to be paid early in the '09 off-season: $2 million.
  • Non-guaranteed roster bonuses: $3.5 million ($500,000 in '09, $1 million in 2010, $1 million in 2011, $1 million in 2012).
  • Non-guaranteed escalators, payable only on high performance: $5 million ($1.25 million in '09, '10, '11, '12.) He has not reached his escalators yet that would kick in for 2009.
  • Non-guaranteed workout bonuses: $1.3 million ($325,000 in '09, '10, '11, '12).

Burress also has a clause in his contract that could come into play and cost him $400,000 this year. For every game he's ineligible to play in because of non-injury reasons, he doesn't earn a $100,000 per game roster bonus.

 

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Nine days to the first big decision

Well, I think this will be a turning point for Plaxico. If he doesn’t grow up fast, his career will be in a tailspin. Sure, he’ll catch on with somebody else, but he’ll have the same problems there.

If i were him, I’d head for Rehab. Weather it’s Stupid Rehab or Immaturity Rehab or a psychologist/Psychiatrist, it doesn’t matter. Hell, it could be Montel or Dr. Phil, just as long as he starts listening to someone with some sense. He should find Jesus, too. He’s out there somewhere and can lend a helping hand. Then do what your lawyer says.

That’s a lot to do in the next nine days, so get to it. No moping on the sidelines like a benched Eagles QB (I was actually thinking Cunningham).

by TerraByte on Dec 1, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think

Plax is headed to the non-football injury list for the rest of the season, as suggested by Peter King and others. It effectively puts this situation away for this year and lets the Giants concentrate on winning another Super Bowl.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who?

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 1, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

just for the record

im not defending any of the moronic and terrible decisions plax has made. im just saying you dont bail on one of your guys after he makes a mistake, even if the mistake is this pathetic. and i expect local AND national media to dump all over plax. that is what they do, they are there to stir the pot. i just expected better from a community of giants fans.

by kendynamo on Dec 1, 2008 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dynamo

I think Giants fans are concerned about the TEAM winning. Why should they support a guy who’s actions show he doesn’t care about that, and who could bring down the house if this kind of crap continues?

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

call me naive

but i think plax does care about the team. i understand pillorying him for being stupid enough to carry a gun to clubs etc etc, but to me thats plax being ignorant, not selfish. punish, reprimand and educate but dont dump him because it’s convenient and expedient.

hes done for the year, that much is certain. if after he is sentenced in court and its possible to come back next year and play i say you should bring him back. and again, maybe this is my naivety but i bet the players he would share a locker room with would agree.

by kendynamo on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you

Read anything about him this year? I believe it was mentioned several times that the teammates he shares a locker room with were tiring of the BS. I remember this from around the time of the suspension.

by Woogie526 on Dec 1, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You actually make a good point

Strahan said on Sunday that the Giants will definitely not abandon Plax. In fact I’ll take Stray’s word over everyone elses in the media, since he knows the most. He said that once you become a good player for the Giants, you are part of a family & that they will not give up on him. This is one of the reasons that this IS a great organization. I think we and the media should stop assuming that Plax will not play for the Giants again. Personally I don’t want to see him play for us again anymore, but we can’t just assume that is going to be the case. Let’s just let it play out.

Also, it does appear his teammates are rallying behind him. Of course that may not last, but for now they couldn’t be more supportive.

by potroast on Dec 1, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I for one

support Burress and hope he can get back to what he does so well, CATCH TD PASSES FROM OUR FRANCHISE QB. Listen, the Giants have dealt w/ controversy since Tiki called out the COACHES for their dismal playoff choke job to the Panthers. It didn’t effect a thing then, his actions haven’t affected us now. If we went out and choked the day he was suspended, or lost to the Cards/ Skins I’d say well know he’s hurting the team. But his actions have only hurt himself. I don’t see anything bringing down this budding dynasty. We got 1 GUY tripping over his own feet, not a plethora of players getting involved in trouble.

by ProudYankee on Dec 1, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that to keep divisions from happening in the locker room, the team, from the coaching staff to every individual player, has to show loyalty to Plaxico. If the Giants just cut Plaxico away, you have to remember that most players on the team are still friends with Plaxico and rifts with Coughlin and Reese would start. The smart thing to do here is to cooperate fully with authorities but maintain support for Plax. Imagine AP turns on coughlin for ditching Plax? THATwould bring the house down.

by mahmoodzaky on Dec 1, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame

That as the Giants go 11-1, a great, dominating win over a division rival to seal up (knock on wood) the East is being treated by national media as a sidebar to this non-sporting incident. Yes, they should report it. Right UNDER the game rundown, as a SIDEBAR.

Meanwhile I’d love to get my hands on a big blue jersey #17 with “Cheddar Bob” for the name on the back.

Dallas, you can release Patrick Crayton. Plaxico is on the way.

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 1, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why I kind get Plax

and why he would pack. Look at this little tidbit that got buried in the coverage.

Case in point: Giants wideout Steve Smith was held up at gunpoint in front of his home last week, former Giant Tiki Barber said on NBC’s pregame show last night. The Giants confirmed Barber’s report, but said they had no details on the incident.

by DoctorK16 on Dec 1, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I saw that too

and starts to put this thing in a new light. I’m not sure if anyone has also read the ESPN mag article in the latest issue that discusses how NFL players are paranoid after Sean Taylor’s death. This only adds to that. I’m not defending Plax because he was stupid & he should have just brought security with him instead of a illegal loaded gun if he thought he was in danger, but these players do seem to have a big target on them because of their wealth & fame.

by potroast on Dec 1, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason

they should be careful about the kind of places they hang out in, when they hang out and who they hang out with. Celebrity, fame and fortune means that sometimes you have to give up a little freedom.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally understand these guys are rich and vulnerable

But doesnt it make more sense to hire a bodyguard or two? Guys that are licensed to carry, and know what they are doing? Hell, if these clubs had prior notice that there would be Giants in the house, couldnt extra security have been arranged with the club?

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 1, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw it

and I know stuff can happen. But, when you are packing you are looking for/asking for trouble. As Tony Siragusa said, if you have to pack to feel safe going somewhere DON’T GO THERE!

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bloomy Weighs in
A fuming Mayor Bloomberg said Monday he wants Giants player Plaxico Burress prosecuted “to the fullest extent of the law” for accidentally shooting himself in his leg with an illegal handgun.

The mayor also called on prosecutors to throw the book at officials of the Giants and New York-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell for reportedly not alerting police about the shooting immediately, as required by law.

The incident reportedly occurred early Saturday inside the crowded LQ nightclub in midtown. Sources said the loaded gun Burress was packing slipped down his pants leg and went off as he fumbled to grab it. He was struck in his right thigh.

“It’s pretty hard to argue the guy didn’t have a gun and that it wasn’t loaded,” said Bloomberg, lashing out at the Super Bowl receiver. “You’ve got bullet holes in and out to show that it was there.”

Bloomberg, who has been leading a national crusade against illegal guns, noted that under New York law if you are convicted of carrying a loaded illegal handgun “you go automatically to three-and-a-half years in the slammer.”

“And I don’t think that anybody should be exempt from that,” he added. “And I think it would be an outrage if we don’t prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.”

“Our children are getting killed with guns on the street,” the mayor commented during an unrelated press availability in the Bronx. “Our police officers are getting killed with guns in the hands of criminals.”

A mayoral spokesman said Bloomberg was referring to the state law he successfully pushed through Albany last year that changed the penalty for illegal possession of a loaded illegal handgun from a one-year sentence to a mandatory minimum 3 1/2-year sentence.

The mandatory sentencing would apply if Burress is convicted as charged, but not necessarily if he is offered a plea bargain.

The mayor said that “people who live in the public domain” should be especially held responsible for their conduct because “they are the role models for our kids.”

Not prosecuting celebrities and notables who “make their living because of their visibility” would make “a sham, a mockery of the law,” the mayor asserted.

As for hospital officials who allegedly didn’t immediately report that Burress had been brought to the hospital and treated, the mayor said, “It’s a misdemeanor, it’s a chargeable offense, and I think that the district attorney should certainly go after the management of this hospital.”

He scoffed at the hospital’s “lame execuse that they didn’t know. This is a world-class hospital in a city where we all know what goes on in the streets of our city and where all should be working to get guns off the street.”

He said those who treated Burress didn’t immediately call the police and the hospital management “should make sure that the people that didn’t no longer work there.”

The mayor said the police only found out about the shooting incident from a TV report.

“The hospital didn’t call and the Giants didn’t call,” he said. “And the Giants should have picked up the phone right away as good corporate citizens. I don’t care whether (there is) the legal responsibility for them to do it.”

by DoctorK16 on Dec 1, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well

if Bloomberg gets his way, Plax is in pretty deep doo-doo.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well keep in mind

The heroes welcome he gave Favre when he was traded to the Jests.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

NY Ranger fans talk all things Blueshirts at
http://broadwayblueview.blogspot.com/

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 1, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Screw Bloomy

He pretty much compared Plax to a lawless thug. The Giants should release a statement saying the responsibility is to the player before the state. Fuck him.

by ProudYankee on Dec 1, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree

bloomberg is a douche

by mahmoodzaky on Dec 1, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Although in the minority, Plax's fans among BBVers

are perhaps the most die hard I’ve ever observed. More power to you guys, but prepare yourself for disappointment. It might not be the worst kind—a prison sentence. He might just succeed in copping a plea. After all, he has the kind of legal representation only the very rich can afford. But to think he’ll play again for Big Blue seems unlikely enough to qualify for some kind of Fantasy Football award. It’s a shame that Plax’s self-destructiveness wasn’t successfully reined in by management’s diciplinary efforts. (It will take intensive therapy to provide the slim hope that it will cease.)

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 5:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

George

Here’s my only problem. He’s SUCH a talent. I know he should be kicked off the team. But I also know he’s not going to blackballed. He’s going to sign somewhere else (with a decent chance of Philly I would think) and in all likelihood DESTROY us every time he plays us. Now I’m not sure about it, but from what Peter King was saying about the contract, I doubt he’ll be physically able to play this season, and will ultimately get at least an 8 week suspension, I’d imagine. It sounds like the Giant’s would be off the hook for a great deal of that money. Now, if that doesn’t cause a rift, why shouldn’t we keep him. Why do should the Giants have to enforce this punishment and watch him go to another team when it seems clear the NFL and the State of New York will take care of the punishment. I know Ed had a point about, by definition being a distraction if your teammates have to answer questions about you, but nothing stupid Plax has done this year has seemed to distract the team as whole.

by queler on Dec 1, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good argument,

but an unrealistic one. He was on his way out the door before the gun incident. If he gets the chance to play elsewhere, good for him. That’s more than Frankie Filchock got. Look, we survived TO going to Philly and Dallas, didn’t we? Not the same, but isn’t it clear that Plax, like Shock, doesn’t fit in with the rest of the team?
Hey, maybe you’ll get your wish and TC and JR will keep him (if he doesn’t go to prison, which I think is quite possible.) I’d lay long odds vs. that happening.

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m inclined to believe that, I think i had a lot of “ifs” there

by queler on Dec 1, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Philly?

I’d love to hear Eagles fans weigh in on that. I’d think after their T.O. experience they would be very leery. I know both cases are very different, but I’d think they would try to avoid guys with troubled pasts.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From an Eagles fan… After the T.O. situation, I would say we would avoid him like the Plague

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Dec 2, 2008 8:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if we could trade him

to at least be sure to keep him away from Philly and Dallas, or at the very least get something back from them if they are the only suitors.

by cjmulrain on Dec 1, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The details of Plax's contract make Plax's flagrant disregard for team rules,

shine full light on his pathologiacal behavior. Why, why, why would he deliberately heighten the possiblity that he couldn’t reach the goals specified as necessary to realize the monetary awards the contract made possible? A good chunk of what he’ll know receive will no doubt go for legal fees. What a sad case.

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 5:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for all the misspellings, etc, above,

but it’s clear enough I think. I’m babysitting six grandkids today, ranging in age from 4 months to ten years.

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How about some loyalty?

Plax fought hard to get us to and through the playoffs and caught the game-winning TD of the superbowl. And how can anyone blame him for carrying a gun? Sean Taylor was JUST murdered last year, Richard Collier no longer has a leg after being shot, i forget his name but the CB on teh broncos (darent williams maybe?) was murdered— the point is that young NFL players, especially who came from the hood like Plax, are targets because everyone knows that they are rich and Plaxico especially is known to live in Totowa. He has a wife and children to protect. Its not like he’s Pacman Jones and shot strippers or left anyone paralyzed. He shot himself, by accident. And it can be argued that NY gun laws are far too strict for law-abiding citizens like Plax. It’s bullshit that Mayor Bloomberg is going to use him as an example, its not right. Keep in mind: Adam Jones, playing for the Cowboys. Michael Vick- doing less time than Plax. OJ- free. Plaxico Burress- 3 and a half years in jail?. It seems unnecessarily punitive to ruin a man’s career and life when the only person he harmed was himself. And he did have a gun license in another state, but it expired- why do gun licenses even expire except to make the state some more money? Gun licenses should only expire if you are convicted of a felony or worse. This whole situation is bullshit.

And then from a football perspective we are not as good of a team without Plaxico Burress. I still think we are the most talented and deep team in the league but losing Plax is terrible for us. And keep in mind, his issues with Coach Coughlin shouldn’t be that foreign to any of you. If you are tired, sick of work, or are having a bad family situation, you are less likely to take crap from your boss regardless of how succesful you’ve been. Just because they guys are NFL players and we love the Giants doesn’t change that day-to-day they are just like you or I.

by mahmoodzaky on Dec 1, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Take crap from your boss?

Who’s taking crap? You have a job you are expected to show up — on time — every day. You are expected to call when you are sick or have an emergency and can’t show up. Plax didn’t do those things. That’s not taking crap, that’s giving it.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Question for all.

Which is more important, loyalty to the team or loyalty to the player? Can they be separated? Are they always the same? How does your answer apply to the Shockey situation?

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 5:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Proceedings on the

case will not be heard until March 31st. If he can somehow come crawling back w/ apologies and promises for change I am sure the Jints will let him play, of course suspending him and fining him before any return is possible. This story will go away in the coming days, and if he returns, only then will it re surface (and on Media Day). Let him play and see if he can become the consistent down field threat he was last year. I would really like to know if we win the NFC game w/o his performance, the Giants

by ProudYankee on Dec 1, 2008 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

owe it to us, to see if he can still be Eli’s go to guy

by ProudYankee on Dec 1, 2008 6:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why?

They don’t owe us, or Plax, a thing. Sorry, Proud, you are making no sense at all.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Before this

post, I wrote a lengthy one about how we don’t need Burress as much as he needs us, but… And when I came to the end I realized that no matter what any of us say or feel, the Commish will def. suspend Burress for the remainder of the season, which sucks.

I’ll miss him and Eli connecting like clock-work, but it’s prob over for him here. If anyone has seen or heard any interviews w/ Plax we all know he is a quirky individual who marches to his own beat, but that’s what I enjoyed about him.

He wasn’t the brashest WR (although the 24-17 SB prediction which was fuckin awesome), or the fastest, smartest, brightest but he was damn good and played well when we needed him. Now my Plax jersey is worth crap. Anyone have an idea who Eli’s TD guy will be? Or do you think this spreading the ball Eli will not have a Go To guy and just find anyone and everyone?

by ProudYankee on Dec 2, 2008 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

man not having a "go-to-guy" is a scary thought

i mean look at how much Eli struggled in the last two games throwing for 550 yards and 4 TD without Plax…

i like Plax too, but this team can clearly win without him.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I may be insensitive but ...

I am already sick of this whole topic.

-I am glad the guy is ok and no one else got hurt.
-The NFL is a business and I assume that he will be dealt with harshly by both the NFL and the Giants. And should be.
- I don’t have loyalty to players; I have loyalty to the team as a whole. I believe the can be separated and have in my mind. After the Tiki incident, I sorta realized that this has to be separate loyalties.
- I like Plax. I thank him for his service, but what he did was stupid, dangerous and now has hurt the team and the goals of 50+ other men and women who’s career goals are winning a championship every year.
-Losing Plax hurts. He is a great WR and a threat every time he steps on the field, but a game on the field is typically won with not the most talented, but the guys that are committed to making the team better and filling their role. That is what the Giants have been built on.
-I think Plax got a big head and made a mistake (a big one). Should he got to jail for 3 years. I don’t think so. Would this story be a lot worse if that bullet had hit someone else. Yes. It is the potential damage he did not the actual damage that he will be punished for. He made a mistake and he might pay heavily for it.
- I do feel bad for Plax, but he made his bed and now he has to answer for it. I certainly understand the fear thing, but Tony Siragusa mad a great point: If you are walking into a club that has a “wand” or metal detector, it might just be a place that you should not be.

by losangelesmets on Dec 1, 2008 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I am loyal to Plaxico after how he played last season and although this season has not been very good for hm, but I am also loyal to the team. I started rooting for this team in the 80’s and I will still rooting for them way after plaxico leaves/retires whatever. So team goes first. Also we may be arguing wether he will go to jail, he may not, but I can assure you Goodel will suspend him and perhaps we will not have to worry until next season or after the playoffs as what is going to happen to him.

My Dad and his steelers gave me the love for football, but the Giants game me a Team

by Bajaserge on Dec 1, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a nightclub

in the biggest brightest city in the world. It is only logical for it to protect itself and its customers by doing so. There are plenty of upscale places that have tight security.

by ProudYankee on Dec 1, 2008 6:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here's another question re AP.

If he knew about the gun and did try to hide it, how does his situation compare to that of
Frankie Filchock (one of my all time favorite Giants, even though he played but one year for the?) I blogged about him last year. He was suspended and played the rest of his career in Canada. The NFL finally relented and he coached Denver for a while

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 7:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've had some time to reflect about all of this stuff and here's my final take:

Plaxico Buress made a stupid mistake that jeopardized not only his career, but also the chances of the Giants organization as a whole to repeat their championship this year.
If he is to ever stand a chance of pulling his head out of his butt he needs to learn from this experience. I think this matter should be handled by the authorities and the commisioner’s office and NOT by Giants management. You guys have made very compelling arguments over the last few days for and against Plax, and while my initial argument was to dump his ass, I’ve since changed my mind for the time being. Let’s see how thus plays out in the courts and at league headquarters and let’s continue to support our team in it’s entirety. That includes Plaxico. I hope he pays the price for his arrogance and stupidity, but I also hope he uses this experience to better himself and be a greater asset to our team than the bittersweet one he already is. If he can’t learn to behave like a responsible adult and role model after all of this, then he is in my mind a lost cause.

by NYcON on Dec 1, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, NY, if things go the way you hope they will for Plax, the buck will pass to

Giants mgmt to decide whether to keep him or not. Your words indicate that you believe loyalty to the team and to the individual player are inseparable—if you can’t support the player you can’t support the team. One who shares your opinion has gone so far as characterizing those who don’t as “cowards,” a pejorative I assume you do not share.

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying I support his actions in any way, but he is still a Giant (for now)

I trust the judgements of the courts, Rodger Goodell and finally Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin. I am not prepared to call anyone a coward for having the balls to express an opinion but I do reserve the right to express my own. :)

by NYcON on Dec 1, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Name calling doesn’t fly with me either, particularly when applied to fellow Giants fans and BBVers,and most particularly when the name doesn’t fit.

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 10:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the best cae scenario for the team

is if plax comes back healthy next year and plays for the giants. all this talk of plax not being a team player is crap. he is not T.O. he shot himself by accident, not because he was selfish. he didnt call the giants when he picked up his kid because he is stupid, not because he is selfish. supporting plax and supporting the team are the same thing in this instance. if someone is part of your team and has earned as plax has you support him when he makes mistakes, you dont dump on him. plax will be disciplined by the courts and by the league. the last thing we should be doing as fans is piling more crap on him. george, im sorry i implied you were a coward but i do find your opinion distressing to say the least.

by kendynamo on Dec 1, 2008 10:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I accept your apology, but since you used the plural, an apology

is appropriate for all BBVers who disagree with you. I empathize with your distress. Your words carry the weight of the strong feelings your loyalty to Plax call forth.

by george cronin on Dec 1, 2008 11:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Piling On

- I think Plax’s career as a Giant is over. Coughlin prides himself on being a man of integrity, and the organization prides itself on being a class act; they will act accordingly. If they keep him, Coughlin starts to run the risk of going down the Marvin Lewis path.
- If Plax plays in week 9 next season, he should consider himself extremely lucky. Goodell does not screw around with this stuff.
- Plax is in serious, serious legal trouble. He broke the law, and the penalties are very clear, even without Bloomberg seeming to want to make an example of him.
- If you want to own a gun, and believe you need it to protect your family and your property, you have every right to do so. But how are you protecting your wife, child, and home while at a nightclub?
- This shows astonishingly poor judgment for an adult. I think our entire discussion last week about whether or not the Giants need Plaxico will soon be moot.

brian99

by brian99 on Dec 2, 2008 2:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is not going to go away.

On Sunday, Michael Strahan was talking about how at training camp in Albany, they told everybody to hand over their guns for safekeeping. Then I heard an interview with an Eagle, Lito Sheppard I think, about how he deals with his gun ownership. I get the impression that a lot of players have weapons. Their guns may be permitted in, say Houston, but if they bring them to NY, they’ll get in trouble. I’ll bet that there’ll be another gun-related story in the NFL before the Giants win the Super Bowl on February 1 (mark your calendars).

The other thing that will keep this in the news is the Giants owe Burress an installment payment (I think on his signing bonus) on December 10. They probably won’t pay, which will make the news.

by TerraByte on Dec 2, 2008 8:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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