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Ex-Giant QBs exceed expectations

I want to digress a little today and talk about something that is only marginally associated with our New York Giants. The astounding success being enjoyed by former Giant quarterbacks Kurt Warner and Kerry Collins.

When both of these former Giants starters left New York, unwilling to back up Eli Manning, you had to figure that their NFL glory days were gone. They would, for the most part, by relegated to backup roles or bad teams as long as they continued their careers.

For the past few seasons, that has mostly been true. This year, though, the pair suddenly find themselves on starring roles for good teams.

Let's look at each guy individually.

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Kurt Warner

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For years I have been wondering when Warner would give up his belief he could still be a top-flight quarterback, end his quest to recapture his St. Louis Rams glory days, and call it a career.

Well, boy, was I wrong.

In recent years Warner has been thought of as a statue who used to be great, but now had happy feet in the pocket and -- while he could still wing it -- was a turnover waiting to happen. He was no better than a fill-in.

Not now. Warner, 37, is playing as well as he ever has. Second in the league in passing yards (2,431) to the amazing Drew Brees. An average of 303.9 yards per game. An off-the-charts 104.2 quarterback rating. He has the 5-3 Cardinals leading the NFC West.

In fact, Warner has played so well that there are whispers in Arizona that -- should he decide to continue playing beyond this season -- the Cardinals will ship Matt Leinart, the guy once thought to be the franchise savior, out of town.

I have also seen Warner discussed as a potential Hall of Famer.

Who saw any of this coming? I know for sure I didn't.


Passing Rushing Sacks
G Rating Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD INT Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL
2008 - Kurt Warner 8 104.2 207 296 69.9 2431 303.9 8.2 16 6 12 3 0.4 0.3 0 16 127

Kerry Collins

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Perhaps Collins' success is even more astounding than Warner's.

Since leaving the Giants Collins has seemed, more or less, like a guy in exile. He spent a couple of seasons playing for crummy Oakland teams, then hooked on as a backup in Tennessee, where he is in his third season.

I doubt anyone ever thought Collins would be a full-time starter in the NFL ever again, including Collins himself.

Then Vince Young fell apart, Collins stepped in and the Titans are 8-0, the NFL's only unbeaten team.

Collins has not been asked to carry the load that Warner has, or even carry as much responsibility as he did with the Giants.

He is 28th in the league in passing yardage with 1,236. He averages jst 154.5 yards per game. His quarterback rating is just 72.9.

Yet, Collins is doing everything the Titans have asked. He has just three interceptions. He is making big throws when Tennessee needs them, like they did last Sunday in an overtime victory over Green Bay.

He is playing consistent, winning football. We weren't even sure he could do that in New York, and no one has believed he could do that for years now.

Who saw that coming?


Passing Rushing Sacks
G Rating Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD INT Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL
2008 - Kerry Collins 8 72.9 117 207 56.5 1236 154.5 6.0 3 3 16 35 4.4 2.2 0 3 21

I am actually flabbergasted by the success both of these guys are enjoying. I feel good for them.

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Happy for and proud of both.

I never liked Warner as a Ram but since his tenure here knowing his circumstance , he was all class. I’m glad he’s doing so well. Collins initially resurrected his career here getting the Giants to a Superbowl. Yeah he was pummeled, but the Championship game against Minnesota was one of the greatest performances I’ve seen by any quarterback ever. I’m really not surprised by his success. I wouldn’t mind seeing him going18-0 as long as the Giants are the one to stop the streak.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 5, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Happy for both of them.

Collins hasn’t been asked to do as much as Warner has, but then, Collins doesn’t have the receivers that Warner has.

by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2008 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Old QB's

Not the first time we have seen this. I think about Earl Morral winning the SB in Miami in his 17th season, most of them as a reserve. (hey, he was a former Giant too) and Jim Plunkett on the Raiders.

It seems that sometimes, an older QB who has sat on the bench for a while has had a chance to pick up some smarts.

I just hope that Warner doesn’t go on about how Jesus is responsible for his comeback (made me want to hurl after the SB) – Kurt – I am happy for your success, but I don’t think Jesus cares if you throw TDs or INTS.

I liked Kerry when he was with us, and I am glad to see him doing well

by NYERinSF on Nov 5, 2008 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Wrong Invisible Friend..

I’ve always suspected Warner made a deal with OL’ Willy to get from the supermarket isles to the NFL, looks like the devil has decided to double down.

by The Pale Scot on Nov 5, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not surprised by the success of either.

I thought the Giants made a big mistake trading up for Eli when their biggest problem at that time was the OL. I believed with a decent one Kerry could succed as our QB for 5-7 years. I want the team to get help for him up front. I also thought when the Giants sat KW he could do a better job than Eli. I still think he would have that first year.
I was thinking in terms of short to intermediate term. Accorsi/Reese were thinking long term. They were right. I was wrong, but not totally as proven by the performance of the two vets this year.

by george cronin on Nov 5, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Kurt Warner

is beginning to make a compelling case for the Hall of Fame.. his resume is incredibly impressive and he may have a couple years left
2 time MVP
Super Bowl MVP
3 Time Pro bowler
2 time all pro
2nd all time in QB rating
2nd all time in accuracy
The only thing about him is they may use the mattingly argument against him, in that he had a few MVP seasons and not much more was impressive about him

by Hoyadestroya85 on Nov 5, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

difference with Mattingly

is that he was great young, then got hurt and was never the same player. Warner’s been more a victim of circumstance: he didn’t get his first shot till he was almost 30, was fantastic, then got hurt, switched teams (but did well everywhere he went), and is still having great seasons in his late 30s. I think a lot of people might look at him and say “man, imagine if he had gotten a shot when he was younger.” Plus, football players by rule don’t usually have the longevity of baseball players, so when there’s a football player with a great, but short, career, they’re more willing to put him in the HOF.

On a side note: I despise the longevity argument for the baseball HOF. I’d much rather have a guy who was dominant for a few seasons but didn’t maintain it than a guy who was decent for 20 seasons. Give me Pedro over Blyleven any day…

by cjmulrain on Nov 6, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

2nd all time QB rating and accuracy should

trump the Mattingly argument. If KW keeps going the way he has been, this year could seal the HOF selection for him. One or two more good years would for sure, I think.

by george cronin on Nov 5, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

well

chad pennington is number one all time in accuracy, so stats can be misleading

by Hoyadestroya85 on Nov 5, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll give you that.

You have to admit that Chad has been a real hard-luck guy, though. I was amazed he was able to come back from his first injury. Never could throw the ball long after that.

by george cronin on Nov 5, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree George.

Kurt Warner does have a great supporting cast around him now but he is slinging that ball and reading defenses as well as anyone ever has. Who could argue against a place for him in the HOF if he plays the second half of the year as well as the first half. I couldn’t be happier for him. Maybe the Cardinals are finally coming out of their “wilderness years.”

As for Collins, I keep waiting for the fumbles, bad short passes, and clumbsiness he showed too many times when he played for us. Instead he has played the best football of his career. good for him.

by giant fan since 57 on Nov 5, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

If Collins could do one thing great it was turning an easy short out into a pick-six

by queler on Nov 5, 2008 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Cardinals and wilderness years:

Virtually their whole history, except when they had Charley Trippi at RB. Later they were okish with Jim Ray Hart at QB. I pity the fans who’ve been rooting for them since they hit AZ. As for Collins, he was okay when he had protection and had a hell of an arm. Still has, I think, and has mastered delivery of the short ball.

by george cronin on Nov 5, 2008 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

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