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Does success = a Super Bowl title?

A question for you today, Big Blue View Nation. Have the New York Giants raised the bar so high that this season can only be considered a success if they win another Super Bowl?

The 8-1 Giants are clearly the best team in the NFC, and possibly the entire league. I don't want to get into a Tennessee vs. the Giants debate right.

This team appears to be better than the 2007 model which, of course, won a Super Bowl.

So, the question. Does the season have to end in a Super Bowl championship for it to be considered successful?

I sure hope not. I hope we as fans have not reached that George Steinbrenner-esque 'Nothing less than a World Series title is acceptable' attitude.

Don't get me wrong. I want to see it happen. The Giants are, obviously, capable of making it happen. Good health, some good luck along the way and the Giants could win back-to-back titles and stamp themselves as a historically good team.

That would be incredible.

There is no way, though, that I will call this team a 'failure' if that doesn't happen.

This is how I put it last week in my '5 Questions' segment with Bleeding Green Nation.

Fact is, I think the Giants are already successful no matter what happens from here on out. They have a Super Bowl title in their pocket. They have a quarterback who can lead them for the next 8-10 years. They have a great coach. They have a great GM. They have an abundance of young, talented players at almost every position. They are set up to be a force to be reckoned with around the league for the next several seasons. No matter how this season ends, that isn't going to change.

I will stand by that. The Giants, bickering underachievers just a couple of seasons ago, are now the league's model franchise.

There is envy of the stockpile of talent General Manager Jerry Reese has built. Coaches all around the league are following Tom Coughlin's lead and trying to build 'team before self' attitudes in their locker rooms. There is a deep, talented group of young players that will keep the Giants in contention for years to come.

So, yes, I want back-to-back titles. Desperately, to be honest. But, no way could I call this season a failure if it doesn't happen.

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Have the Giants raised the bar so high that you will consider this season a failure if they do not win another Super Bowl title?
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Mine is a three part answer

If the Giants make the playoffs, it will be the first time they’ve done it after a SB appearance, so it terms of that, it would be a success.

On the other hand, if they get in the playoffs, and lay an egg at home in the divisional round, it would be hard for me to label this year a success,

On my third hand, I don’t think there is any doubt that the Giants are the best team in football. Granted, we saw last year that doesnt mean you automatically win the Super Bowl. But from that aspect, if they go into the playoffs at full complement, and don’t win the Super Bowl, it will be very disappointing, but how far they get and how they perform will be the overall determining factor for me.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 11, 2008 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting

It can be a complicated answer, because a quick playoff exit would be very disappointing. I guess I am looking at the big picture — the fact that we have a team that will be good for a long time.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2008 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said

There is different levels of success/failure for the Giants this year. I think simply making the playoffs is a success for this franchise (due to its history), but a failure for this team (since its so talented). Regardless, I’ll personally deem anything short of a long playoff run a failure because they are the best team in the NFC right now. We know from last year that can change quickly, but you are asking the question right now so they have to play well in the playoffs for this season to be a success.

As for the bigger picture, you are right Ed that this team is built very well for the future. BUT what would an early and devestating playoff loss in the division round do to the confidence of this team? Right now they feel like they should/can beat anyone. That confidence would likely take a hit if they collapse in the second half of this season or lose badly at home in their 1st playoff game. We’ve seen good teams go backwards after things like this before.

The NFL is a league of parity. There is a very fine line between a winning team and a losing one. While I think this team is built for the long run, it doesn’t mean that a few injuries and few bad losses can’t knock this team back to the rest of the pack. The Giants need to grab this chance while they have it because their success in the future is not guaranteed.

by potroast on Nov 11, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on ETVal!!

Repeating at SB is very difficult!! We have a team built for long term success. That is much more important that the “win now” attitude that permeates the league.

A 1st round flop in the playoffs would be disappointing, but not a failure. At the beginning of this season I said to fellow fans that short of a 6 win season, I would be happy with whatever they did. Because I will always remember where I was when the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

by KenoshaBlueFan on Nov 11, 2008 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with all of the above

as we’ve all seen, in the NFL anything can and will happen. At the beginning of the year I told anyone who asked that I thought our boys would make the second round of the playoffs. Anything above and beyond that I would consider to be gravy.
I don’t think there is a fan of any team in any league that isn’t disappointed when their team doesn’t win a championship. The term “any given Sunday” was coined to include the playoffs.
however, the Colts seem to be finally pulling themselves together for a run at the wildcard in the second half of the season. Dare I say it? The biggest success I could foresee would be an all Manning superbowl, with Eli finally besting Peyton’s team in a show down on the world’s biggest stage.

by NYcON on Nov 11, 2008 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Now that would be fun

I will be disappointed if this team doesn’t at least get to the NFC Championship Game. That would be a missed opportunity, but I would not deem the team a failure.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Boy this is tough to consider.

Good post. If you take away the injury factor which pot mentioned. We’ve seen that a few years ago when we had linebackers off the street for the Carolina playoff game. I think with relative good health it would be a disappointment for sure if the Giants failed 1) to make the playoffs (not likely) or 2)really took a sound beating in the first playoff game. I’m really hoping for ……ah I won’t use the “R” word ….not yet. Bottom line: if the giants acquit themselves well and don’t repeat as champs it will be disappointing but the season will have been a success.

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by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 11, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

that is pretty much

where i am on this as well. I am so optimistic about the next few years with this team, and so thrilled with how much better they are than we ever thought, that it’s hard to consider this year a ‘failure’ in any way.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i think reaching the Super Bowl

would make this season a success.

i equate it to college basketball. even though three of the four teams don’t win the Championship, a Final Four is something that you can really hang your hat on, and is something that is remembered for a long time. reaching the Super Bowl for a 2nd straight year would satisfy me.

then again, the only thing that would make this season an absolute failure is if they pull a Dallas circa 2007 and lose at home in the Divisional Round (especially if that loss came to Dallas, Washington, or Philly).

when the season started, i said i’d be perfectly happy with 10-6 and perhaps a playoff victory. but i agree with you Ed that the bar has been set very high with this 8-1 start. however, regardless of what happens this is (and it will be for years to come) a great time to be a Giants fan and looks like the beginning of a great era of Giants football.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 11, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Playing in January

For me this team has been successful since TC became coach. The joy I get from having a least one extra game each year is for me the measure of success. When the regular season is over and everyone else gets that empty awful feeling of what do I do now on Sundays, we have one more game….that’s success. And to have one more after that and another after that…well that’s just icing on the cake.

While I would be disappointed (and have been previous to last year) with a one and out; getting that extra game is success in my book.

by nygiants2001 on Nov 11, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Disappointing, yes. Failure, no way.

There are just too many things that can go wrong for even the best team on the road to the Super Bowl. Unlike other major pro sports, each level consists of only one game, so there is little room for error. A good baseball team can have a bad game or two and still win a playoff series. Lose once in the NFL and you go home.

Yes, the Giants are the class of the NFL. But the difference in caliber among playoff teams isn’t that great, and odds are that an inferior team will knock off a superior team on occasion, even if those odds are maybe 1 or 2 in 10. Factor in such unknowns as injuries and it’s easy to understand why so few teams ever repeat.

 Ed’s right to cite Steinbrenner’s win-or-else philosophy as something to be avoided. I’ve seen too many good Yankee teams ruined by panicky trades and free agent signings after a “failed” (i.e., non-championship) season. Team success must be measured over the long haul, not just by one season.

The Giants have built a top-of-the-line organization with a bright future. That should be enough for any fan. It is for me.

by django48 on Nov 11, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

anything less than a divisional game

will be for me a disappointment, not a failure, however they will get to that game if they have a bye on the playoffs, so winning that game will be the answer

by Bajaserge on Nov 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Great Post - My Thoughts: It's Already A Success

Lest we forget, the GMen won the Super Bowl. Yes, they’re talented – but as the Giants showed everyone last season, the Playoffs are fluky. Strange things can happen – and this season, the Giants will have a HUGE bulls-eye on their backs.

Look at last year: Dallas was the “best” team in the NFC last year, and had home field advantage….and look at what happened to them in the playoffs. Now, I feel like the Giants have more mental toughness than the Cowboys; but it doesn’t matter. Strange things can happen in the playoffs! What’s to say that some upstart wild card playoff team gets hot at the right time and goes on the road and beats the preemptive favorites? Where have we heard that story before?

Point is: the Giants have already shown a ton of heart and growth in their Super Bowl defense this season. And I think they’ll continue to play this way – and, with a few breaks, maybe be in a great position to defend the title! But I’m not going to say that this season is a letdown. The Boys in Blue have already made their fan base proud.

by Cody K on Nov 11, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed...

All of the above! ;-)

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by LI-cowgirl on Nov 11, 2008 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

I live in Titans country

and their fans are getting rather over-confident. I am hoping for a Titans-Giants Super Bowl. Giants 36, Titans 3.

We're gonna STOMP you out!

by NYERinKY on Nov 11, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

that's funny

all the people in Kentucky that i know used to like the Bengals about three years ago…

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 11, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If you are talking about the East side of the state, yes,

but I live in Western KY; two hours from Nashville and on the border of IL. Although I agree that these folks were likely Bears fans before the Titans started playing well.

We're gonna STOMP you out!

by NYERinKY on Nov 11, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

For me

I see anything short of an NFC championship game a failure. This team may not have had expectations from everyone else (pundits), but we fans saw a team growing last year. We saw our team take the biggest step forward to what we thought was “building” towards a Championship and just go and snatch it from all the favorites. A team facing adversity week after week after week and they all responded. It wasn’t just Eli, it was everyone.

And like everyone is saying, oh well we can be a flameout like the Boys, Packs, etc… But those teams won on strong QB play and passable D and ground attack. We took away their top receivers and were able to capitalize on their performance. If T.O., Jennings, or Moss go for over a buck we lose those games. We pounded the ball, protected the ball, punished QB’s and kept it close until we could capitalize.

All that is the mark of a true champion. Which we have ladies and gentlemen. Baring injury to important pieces we will be playing in Feb.

by ProudYankee on Nov 11, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

exactly

everyone put this information correctly. Saints 2nd and 5th is gonna further make this team succesful.

by BOSSMAN89 on Nov 12, 2008 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

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