Giants notes, 11.10.08

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 11:13 AM EST in News Comment 52 comments

Here is some reaction from Sunday night's New York Giants victory over Philadelphia.

Giants running back Brandon Jacobs learned a lesson from his hurdle that lead to a fumble.

"I will not ever leave the ground again," Jacobs said as if he were writing it on the chalkboard 100 times. "That's something I don't do."

Here is an interesting tidbit from ESPN's Matt Mosley.

On Saturday night, Coughlin stood before his team and delivered one of his patented motivational messages. According to two starters who asked not to be identified, Coughlin's exact wording was, "We are the big dogs."

He wanted to drive home the point that the Giants were in control of their destiny and any team wanting to make a playoff run in the second half will have to go through them.

He wanted to remind us that we could go 3-0 in the division," said one of the players. "And that they would be 0-3."

In the wake of Sunday's "narrow" win, it looks like the message definitely got through.

Mike Freeman of CBS Sportsline knows exactly what he thinks of the Giants after Sunday night.

This is Giants football. They don't do a whole lot of fancy pants tricks and goofy formations. They wrap their hands around your throat and shake violently.

Giants 36, Eagles 31. Number of doubters: should be zero.

The Eagles fought back and mounted respectable resistance to an increasingly formidable juggernaut. They played hard, but were simply outmatched. They could have run the Wildcat, the Tomcat, the Alleycat ... even the Pussycat Doll and it wouldn't have mattered.

With apologies to Tennessee, the Titans aren't the best team in football. Who cares if they're undefeated? They play in the AFC South, which is the Sarah Palin of divisions. The Titans aren't in the same class as the Giants. New York's offense is far superior and its defense just as capable if not better than Tennessee's. Yes, better.

If you don't think the Giants are the best team in the NFL, you need a CAT scan, or at the very least, you must go watch more game film. The scary part is this team could end up being better than last year's Super Bowl team.

I love this line from Peter King.

I think the Jeremy Shockey trade has worked out a whole lot better for the Giants than for the Saints ... and the Giants haven't even gotten anything yet. They'll have the Saints' two and five in next year's draft.

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Jacobs

Heh, when I see that “I will not ever leave the ground again” quote, it makes me think of John Madden coming off a terrifying plane ride and deciding to travel only on the ground for the rest of his life.

by JoshNY on Nov 10, 2008 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He should write it 100 times.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 10, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Time for the RB's to clean it up

The RB’s last night all made mistakes: Jacobs leaving the ground and fumbling and fumbling as he fell into the end zone, Ward’s fumble luckily recovered by Kareem M., and Bradshaw’s fumble luckily bouncing out of bounds. Notice the trend here? The GMen got lucky last night that those didn’t bounce the other way.

They gotta clean that up. Either the Eagles aren’t a solid enough team to take advantage of the Giants mistakes or the Giants are so good that they can overcome mistakes like that and still win. I think it’s a combination of the two; but either way – one of these days, those mistakes are going to factor more heavily into the outcome of the game. It’s lesson #1 for a RB: Gotta hang on the rock.

Simply put: the Giants must protect the ball better.

by Cody K on Nov 10, 2008 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dallas Fans Refuse

to succumb to reality.

http://cumuluspodcasting.com:80/media/KTCK/KTCK109/KTCK_110608_1-Norm-Rant.mp3

From the people who brought you “but this one goes up to eleven”

by The Pale Scot on Nov 10, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

not a Republican or Democrat

i fall somewhere in the middle. that being said, with the fact that the election is over, can we stop with the Sarah Palin pot-shots (Mike Freeman’s article)? in a sports article i want to hear about sports and only sports. enough with the analogies unless they are sports-related. i’m so sick of it.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Now for the Ravens…you guys should kill us…at least with all the Giants hype the country has to endure. Is this your trap game. Your home, first place and we have nothing to loose having exceeded all expectations with a rookie QB, 1 receiver and injuries all over the defensive backfield. man we should get smeared by the Americas team. Ravens 24 Giants 13.

by raven on Nov 10, 2008 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

step AWAY

from the crack pipe! Whatever it is you’re smoking…put it dowwwn!

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure exactly what that means...

but I think he means the ravens will beat us and then lose to the cowboys? It’s either that or he just called big blue “America’s team”. Which is tantamount to cursing in my household ;P

by NYcON on Nov 10, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

lol… hes just trying to get you all excited and riled (spelling?) up for the game. We were talking about it a bit in your other thread here discussing the whole rushing against the ravens thing.

I think its going to be a good/interesting game. And if the Ravens win hopefully all the haters will shut up for a little while.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 10, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If there's one thing all NYG fans know...

….it’s that this team almost ALWAYS plays to the level of the competition. So I would expect a defensive game; you know, a knock-down, drag-’em out affair with a final score along the lines of 19-13 or something like that. I just hope the GMen are on the right side of that equation!

However: I’d love to see a knockout punch against these guys.

Interesting thought: remember back to 2004 and Eli’s rookie season. Approximately 4 years ago, Eli Manning played against a stacked Ravens team – and had a tough day at the office: he was 4 of 18 with two interceptions and a zero quarterback rating in a 37-14 loss. I hope Coughlin shows the GMen tape of that game to show them how far they’ve come and how far they have to go.

Additionally: think back to the 2000 Super Bowl, specifically a phantom holding penalty against Keith Hamilton on the interior D Line on an INT returned for a TD that would have tied the game at 7-7 and completely changed the complex of the game (no I haven’t forgotten about that game – or that F*ing penalty).

Anyway – my point is; we hate these guys (or at least we should). So I want to see the GMen wipe them up and down the field and harass Flacco into the type of day that a similarly dominating defense with a great pass rush did four years ago. I hope the D Secondary continues playing with great energy and continues to give the D Line opportunities to pound the QB.

All in all: I want to see a nice win. Something to make us all forget about that terrible Eli game and the 2000 SB.

by Cody K on Nov 10, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d just like to say abandon the run and you may have some luck. As i mentioned earlier no team has gotten over 76 yards on the ground on us this season, and of course we haven’t allowed a 100yd rusher in 28 games.

We’ve also out-rushed our opponents this season 1352 to 576. That’s a 776yd differential.

And as we discussed on our blog, passing doesn’t necessarily guarantee yourself a victory. The Texans nearly got 300 yards on us but their was also 4 interceptions during the game. We’ve shut out two teams in the 4th quarter while scoring at least 2 touchdowns both teams in the 4th quarter.

Having to pass as many times as we are making teams pass often leads to mistakes…

But hey, should be a good game, I doubt it will be lopsided regardless of what your record indicates.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 10, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Abandon the run?

I certainly hear what you are saying and I know you guys have been tremendous on Def again and now have a potent offense with Flacco, McGahee and Mcclain(?), but we are not Houston or Cleveland. Our OL is underrated and I don’t think you have faced a running attack like this yet. The Giants Offense works off of the play action, which everyone knows and there is little chance we will abandon it. Nor do I think if we do that that is what gives us the best chance to win.

I think this is a very competitive game. The Giants are on a long stretch of tough opponents like the Ravens and i just hope the press does not go to our heads this weekend (cough like the browns game).

This is a very balanced offense with a trio of different backs, a good/great fullback, a really good OL and several solid receiving options.

I am hopeful the giants pull this out with a 21-13 win. Love it to be more, but we cant seem to put teams away.

Now lets not fumble and I see another one in the win column.

by losangelesmets on Nov 10, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No offense

but if you think the Giants are going to abandon the run next week, you’re sorely mistaken. you may be confident in your running game, but i doubt they’ll make much of a dent against a Giants front that held Brian Westbrook to 26 yards and Marion Barber to 55 in the last two weeks.

i’ll certainly take BJake/Ward/Bradshaw over whatever the Ravens put on the field, even against the Ravens vaunted run D.

it’s the ultimate strength vs. strength matchup.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Understand one thing, Matchz

Not one team yet has stopped the Giants from running. Even against Pittsburgh the Giants ran enough to make the Steelers respect it. The Giants will not abandon it. You may stop it, you may slow it down, but the Giants will continue to try to jam the ball down your throat. It is what they do, and NO ONE does it any better.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Im just saying, even the teams we lost to, pitt, Tennessee and the Colts didnt run on us. And we’ve gone two seasons and some change without having a running back get over 100yards on us.

I was just exposing what most ravens fans see as our vulnerability. Running doesnt work, and I think that will come to the light early in the game tomorrow. Not to mention that our Head Coach is from the NFC East (10 years coaching there), so I’m sure he has at least a little idea of what to expect (and thats without going to film).

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Rushing Yards against the ravens this season (by game)
60 Bengals, 70 Browns, 69 Steelers, 47 Titans, 76 Colts, 68 Dolphins, 47 Raiders, 64 Browns, 75 Texans

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

of the teams you listed

Rushing offense
Titans 6th
Raiders 8th (not bad for a 2-7 team)
Texans 17th
Dolphins 20th
Browns 21st
Steelers 24th
Bengals 30th
Colts 32nd

Giants are 1st in the NFL in total rushing yards (1,520), 1st in the NFL in rushing yards per game (168.9), and 1st in the NFL in yards per carry (5.1).

this is a whole different animal than the teams you listed.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 11, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

my point is if you notice, the teams ranked as better rushers have had even less yards than the teams who arent as good. The defence changes the game plan around for the other teams, and they were less worried about the rush as they were the pass, so yeah a few plays open up.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

also I think the Dolphins had a higher ranked rushing attack at the time we played them

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Another Ravens fan

I don’t think the Giants should abandon the running game at all. For the main reason, they are a great run team. However, if the run game isn’t working, they need to be willing to hurt us in the air. It blew my mind watching the Browns, late in the game, with a 2 TD lead, trying to establish a non-existent run game. It kind of amazes me how so far this year, so many teams seem to be unwilling to try and throw it on early downs against the Ravens. I think more teams would have success against us using the pass to open up the run vice trying to use the run to open the pass, failing miserably for three quarters, and then airing it out, late in a game with a shell shocked QB. I started to feel bad for Sage last week.

I am really looking forward to this game…a great test for the Ravens or a chance for the “Big Blue Wrecking Crew” to show their dominance of the NFL. I know the NFL doesn’t know how the season will turn out but seriously…how is CLE v BUF a monday night game over this? What are they expecting? 30 people to watch?

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 11, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh no, you didn't just go there!?

So if you take out that holding penalty the Ravens don’t win SB35!? Somehow, I just can’t see that logic. Perhaps it might have been 34-14 instead of 34-7. Did I say the score was 34-7? Oh yeah I did, sorry. The Ravens were a much better team that day as their defense was one of if not the best of all time that entire season. The offense was mediocre at best, but was good enough. This year, our defense is very good. Maybe not as good as back then, but this time we actually have an offense to move the ball. It should be a war and your prediction of a score in the teens is probably dead on. However, that is why they play the games.

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i agreee

that Ravens team was head-and-shoulders above everyone else in the league that year. that Super Bowl was hard to watch. without Dixon’s kick return, it would’ve been 34-donut.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 11, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it's hard to say, though

that penalty ended up being a 14-point swing. And maybe Dilfer would have gone in the tank after that throw and had a Collins-like day. Maybe the final score would have been 10-7. Who really knows what would have happened. I’m not saying the Giants offense would have done much better, but I think that call and the ensuing TD drive demoralized the Giants defense, which was our strength, and encouraged your offense, which was your weakness, leading to a blowout.

I think if they replayed that game 10 times, the Ravens probably win 7 or 8 of them, but I’d bet that they’d win very few of them as a blowout.

by cjmulrain on Nov 12, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I just felt like mentioning this. I saw this on baltimoreravens.com a few weeks ago. One of the writers were mentioning how the coaches now dont express the same confidence (or maybe arrogance) as Billick before a game. He said he remembered being next to Billick on the way to the superbowl game asking him if we thought we were going to win.

and Billick saying something to the effect of “Are you kidding, we’re going to destroy these guys. The competition they played this year is nothing like what the AFC has to offer, we’ve played much tougher games and we’re going to go in here and hand it to them”

Now that schedule thing may not be the same this year comparing the AFC and NFC, i just thought it was funny… Billick was pretty positive that we were going to own you. (I’m going to go search for that article btw)

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 12, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2008/11/Byrne_Identity_-_Looking_for_Assurances.aspx

So i misquoted the hell out of him, but hey… the point got across

REASSURED ONE TIME

It’s strange, but the most confident about winning I have been was prior to the Ravens’ Super Bowl XXXV victory over the Giants. On the bus on the way back from our Wednesday practice that week, I sat with then-head coach Brian Billick. We were reviewing the media requirements for the next day. When we finished that part of the conversation, I asked him: "Can we win this game?"

His reply stunned me: "You kidding? We will kick their ass. We’re better than they are."

"How can you be so confident?" I asked.

"Look," Billick said, "would you rather play at home against the Broncos, on the road at Tennessee, at Oakland or the Giants on a neutral field?"

I stammered: "Yeah, but the Giants just beat the Vikings 41-0 in the NFC Championship."

Brian continued: "Those teams would not have made the playoffs if they played in the AFC. We’re going to beat the Giants. Our guys are ready."

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 12, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no need to get me worked up, I'm already there.

the next 7 games of the season are going to feel like the playoffs for Giants fans. We have spent all summer justifying that incredible playoff run to all of the sceptics who insisted that the Giants were just a team that got hot at the right time. We’ve spent the first half of the season watching games that were closer than we felt they should’ve been. We’ve listened to the media bashing us one day, to drink the Giants Kool-Aid the next, only to be bashed again. We believe in our team, we know the incredible amount of depth, talent and youth we have at almost every position. We won’t go undefeated, and thank God because look at what happened to the Pats! But our boys will win big games. It’s what they do. Baltimore is looking great and that Flacci kid sure seems to have worked out. You guys’ll most likely male the playoffs to boot, so I guess that makes this a big game;)

by NYcON on Nov 10, 2008 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

yikes! Flacco even!

iPhone keypads are too small!

by NYcON on Nov 10, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

people who complain about their iPhone keyboards

while I’m stuck with my crappy Nokia deserve a special level in hell ;)

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, but I'm right there with NYcON

I can tell that he’s typing on an iPhone – because the difference between “male” and “make” on that keyboard are minimal!!

by Cody K on Nov 10, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL! Good spell check Cody

I didn’t even see that one

by NYcON on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

as for where to find me in hell...

I’ll be in the smoky jazz lounge with Sinatra. Drinking scotch, smoking cigars and ogling loose women whilst holding down on argument about philosophy with Mephistopholes like Don Juan in George Bernard Shaw’s “Man And Superman”

by NYcON on Nov 10, 2008 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Totally off topic

but I someone over on the Ravens blog posted a stat that made me dig a little deeper. Not that this necessarily means that much, but since our semi-heated debate with the Steelers blog over Eli vs. Big Ben, here are their stats:

Eli: 52/90, 57.8, 537 Yards, 6 TD, 2 INT
Ben: 48/88, 54.5, 523 Yards, 1 TD, 8 INT

For the season, Eli has an 88.8 passer rating, while Big Ben has a 76.1 rating. Now, I know Roethlisberger has been hurt, but Eli has been demonstrably better than him this year. In just 3 games this debate has become a lot closer, no?

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Big Ben

He is getting killed behind that offensive line, and his play is showing the results. He is forcing balls, jittery in the pocket and trying to make plays that just aren’t there.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 11, 2008 6:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Will take Eli over Ben, especially this season!

and this is from a Ravens fan!

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed. And I think a lot must be said for the O-line

even Peyton’s had some troubles this year behind a shaky line. That said, it looks like our boy’s finally grown into the elite QB Accorsi saw when we traded up to get him

by NYcON on Nov 10, 2008 11:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

definitely

the O-line is a big part of our success, both passing and running the ball. I’ll be honest, I love our defense, love our running backs, and love Eli, but I think I’m proudest of our O-line. The anonymous guys who 2 years ago were a weakness have molded themselves into the most dominant line in the NFL. They’re what football is all about.

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's starting to sound

like a lot of Ravens fans will be crushed when the Giants run for over 100. Let’s face it,if Indy and the Texans can put up 75 in theory at least the Giants will rush for 125. Our line is better.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 11, 2008 7:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah and the Titans (number 6 run offense) put up 47. Raiders (number 8 run offense) also put up 47. And I’m sure we can look at some of the teams we played last year (regardless of our record last year) because the 100yd streak is still alive. So definitely keep that “in theory” phase in there, but also keep in mind that just because its “in theory” doesn’t mean it will happen.

This season, according the stats we’ve been allowing an average of 65 yards per game.

And who cares how much the Texans put up, they got beat 41-13. I wouldn’t have cared if they had 300yds on us as long as they lost.
And look at how they got 75 yards. It wasn’t like anyone of their RBs had a good game.

—————-
Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
R. Moats: 7 34 0 12
A. Green: 4 19 0 10
S. Rosenfels: 1 15 0 15
S. Slaton: 4 7 0 3
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It’ll be an interesting game as I keep saying, but I really suspect after the first half, maybe even the first quarter, your running backs will start getting A LOT less carries.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're on Matchz

Here’s a bet if you’re feeling lucky. If the Giants as a team DON"T run for 100 yards I will put up a fan post saying how wrong I was and heap praise on your D on Monday in “beatdown” win lose or draw. When the Giants do put up 100 or over you do the same over here admitting the Giants have the best run attack in the NFL. What do ya say?

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 11, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I always lose bets, thats not going to happen.

I have faith in my team, but I’m not jinxing them with a bet.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough, I understand the"jinx thing"

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 11, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take that offer

as head blogger on Baltimore Beatdown, I must step up and rep my boys. Therefore, if the Giants run for over 100 yards as a team and win, I’ll come take my medicine. If they run for 100 yards and lose, you’ll not see me here. However, win or lose, if Jacobs runs for over 100 by himself, I’ll be back to give him and you guys your props and expect you to do the same over at our site. Jacobs is a beast and I can’t wait to see how we match up against him and the defending SB Champs. It’s the 100 individual rusher stat that I’m most proud of for the Ravens. Of course, I’ll trade it this Sunday for a win!

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good man!

Yeah, I’m interested in a 100 yard individual performance too. Thing is it’s not neccesarily Jacobs that will automatically get it. Could just as easily be Bradshaw in the 4th quarter (yes I’m sober).

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 11, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m more proud of a TEAM not getting over 76 yards on us this season than one person getting 100 yards. Yes that streak has been going longer. But imagine if we could go a whole season with a TEAM not getting over 100 yards, let alone one person

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

quick question though:

What about the style of backs each team employs? Have the Ravens played a team that can change the pace and style of running as effectively as the Giants can? We have a pretty talented 1-2-3 punch in the backfield, and we can switch gears at will. Can the vaunted Ravens’ run defense adjust adequately? This is one of the more interesting questions I will be watching to learn the answer to come Sunday.

by NYcON on Nov 11, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dolphins, Titans probably would have been the closest thing to that.

Or maybe US during practice, lol.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, I was going to say that!

The Giants three headed running attack is similar to the Ravens same three headed monster of McGahee, McClain and Rice. Every day in practice our defense plays against them. The same thing goes for our offense, as it is greatly improved and has to go up against Ray Lewis and our defense every day in practice, which is why gametime is a step down lately. However, the Giants will easily be the toughest team we’ve faced all season. Likewise, we may be the same challenge for New York.

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Can anyone compare

any RB out there equivalent to Jacobs? Have the Ravens seen the capacity of his talent, in the sense that, you stop him…or you think you’ve stopped him, and his feet just keep on moving, because he finds WAYS to pick up even 4 yards after he’s been stopped – or so they thought. The man is beyond a beast, he’s a TRUCK with a HEMI, and while he’s just one guy…I can’t think of anyone else in the game right now who compares with his ability. Any given Sunday gentlemen!

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by LI-cowgirl on Nov 11, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You do realize we play Jamal Lewis twice a year who is notorious for carrying piles after contact. Not only do we play him twice a year he used to be on our team…

So yeah, that doesnt impress me much, sorry.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

all those years against the Bus…we’ll stand Jacobs up and strip him of the ball. he’s a tall sob so we’ll have to fold him up like a lounge chair..not the typical beach variety.

by raven on Nov 11, 2008 9:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

easier said than done

with as confident as you are in Baltimore’s run D and as confident as we are in the Giants’ rush O, this should be a great matchup. i’m really looking forward to it.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 12, 2008 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs