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'Kudos & Wet Willies,' 8-1 edition

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Now I can say it. Going into last night's game I fully expected our New York Giants to lose to the Philadelphia Eagles.

Yet, today the Giants are 8-1 after a heart-pounding 36-31 victory -- a game the Giants thoroughly dominated everywhere except the scoreboard.

The Giants held a 39:10-20:50 advantage in time of possession. They outgained the Eagles 401 yards to 300. They gained 219 yards rushing.

Without the two Giants turnovers this game would not have been close. Even with the turnovers the game is a rout if the Giants punch in a couple of touchdowns instead of settling for three short John Carney field goals.

No matter.

This was a victory -- in Philadelphia against a good Eagles team in a very hostile environment. That's enough to put a smile on my face today, whether the Giants were perfect or not.

Can there be any doubt left that this team is better than last season's Super Bowl championship team? The maturity, the weapons, the stifling defense.

What a great time to be a Giants fan!

Let's get on with our traditional 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'

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Kudos to ...

 

  • Brandon Jacobs: Totaled 126 yards on a season-high 22 carries, and scored two touchdowns. Just one thing, big fella. No more hurdling, please.
  • Eli Manning: Not the best numbers (17-31, 191 with two TDs and an unlucky interception), but I thought he played very well. He was poised and in control throughout in a tough place to play, and answered his turnover by leading the Giants on a 10-play, 80-yard touchdown drive.
  • Tom Coughlin: Took a flier with a challenge when Eli had been flagged for a seemingly obvious illegal forward pass and ended up winning it. The reversal led to a touchdown and was probably the key play in the game.
  • Chase Blackburn: Made the fourth down stop on Brian Westbrook that sealed the victory. If the Giants new starting outside linebacker had done nothing else, that would have gotten him 'kudos' by itself. But, he also recovered a fumble and totaled four tackles.
  • Kevin Boss: A career-high six catches for 69 yards and a touchdown. He is now a huge part of the Giants offense, particularly in the 'Green Zone.' Dropped one throw in the end zone, but his touchdown catch was a brilliant diving grab.
  • Amani Toomer: Helped the Giants early with five catches for 53 yards.
  • Offensive line: Pushed the Eagles off the ball all night as the Giants ran pretty much at will. Also only allowed one sack. This group has to be the best in the business.
  • Madison Hedgecock: Say what you want about John Madden, but we profusely praised Hedgecock all night. And he was right. Hedgecock was an absolute battering ram leading the way for Giants rushers, as he has been all season. Just one thing -- let's not throw him the ball anymore, please.
  • Ahmad Bradshaw: A 23-yard run and two brilliant tackles on kickoff coverage, including one where he forced a fumble.

Wet Willies to ...

  • Kickoff coverage: Aside from Bradshaw the Giants were awful. The whole point of using Lawrence Tynes on kickoffs instead of Carney was for field position, yet the Giants surrounded two long returns.
  • Andy Reid: I usually leave the other team out of 'Kudos & Wet Willies,' but, c'mon Andy. Two running plays in short yardage with the game on the line in the final seconds? Thank you very much. You used to be a great coach.

Kwillies to ...

Yes, a new category. Reserved for those Giants who have somehow managed to help both teams at the same time.

  • Giants running backs: Fellas, let's try holding onto the football, please. Bradshaw is terrific, but he scares me to death every time he touches the ball. Thank God his fumble -- on his best run of the night -- went out of bounds. Ward's fumble could have cost the Giants the game if they hadn't recovered it. And Jacobs? Keep your feet on the ground big man.
  • Sam Madison: An interception, but also a late hit penalty. Hey Sam, in your 9,000-year career perhaps no one explained to you that you can't hit a player out of bounds.

Final thoughts

Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson is one helluva player. His gaffe earlier this season where he let go of the ball before crossing the goal line will be a footnote to a great career. ... Why can't the Giants return kickoffs this season? You'd think that was Reuben Droughns back there. ... Kill Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride for the nine million draw plays last night (I would like to). But, did you notice some of the new wrinkles in the offense? Bradshaw getting some carries; lots of passes to Boss; Jacobs and Ward in the game at the same time; rolling the pocket a few times. He knows he has weapons, and he is creating more ways to use them.

 

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Jacobs hurtling

is also not good for another reason … injury. He could have got killed on that play.

Big win by Big Blue. I also thought going into this game that the Giants would more likely lose than win, but they not only hung on but dominated most facets of the game. Hopefully the lose handling of the ball was just a case of playing during the first really cold temps.

by potroast on Nov 10, 2008 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

Late post this morning!

I’m jealous I had to get up at 5. I think with some work on form all Giants skill players could become good hurdlers…….Boss seems to have it down! Seriously I thought Jacobs head was going to come rolling away on that play.
 BIG EXTRA EXTRA KUDOS TO THE BEST OFFENSIVE LINE IN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!
(one’s not enough)
 They’re not the biggest although not small either, these guys held off one of the most ferocious defenses in football quite admirably. They deserve kudos every week in my book. I honestly though this could be a game where the run would be stuffed and then they’d T-off on Eli. This group has to be the best Giants O-Line ever!

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 10, 2008 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

I think

you are right about that. I am thinking back to the Parcells years and I think this group is better.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

they don't have the individual talent

that Parcells’ teams had but you could make the argument that this is a more balanced squad. those Parcells’ teams were elite defense/slightly better than average offense. this team looks great on both sides of the ball.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Touchdown

I was talking strictly about the O-line here. At some point I have to do a Parcells era vs. Coughlin era comparison. That’s probably an off-season thing, though. I want to see where this season goes first.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

as was pointed out during the broadcast last night

the fact that the same five guys have started, what, 29 games in a row now? must be a huge advantage for all of them. O-line play is a group effort and our guys work together very well as a group.

by JoshNY on Nov 10, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the group I'm thinking of too.

86 to 90 wasn’t as dominant. They had that much heart though.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 10, 2008 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

there’s no Jumbo Elliot on this line, but as a whole, I think it’s better.

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian Westbrook

had eleven carries before the two-minute warning in the fourth quarter. ELEVEN.

that’s like Phil Jackson keeping Kobe on the bench for 3 1/2 quarters. you have to give the ball to your star (and no, i don’t mean McNabb). with the way that Westbrook has shredded the Giants over the years, i am absolutely baffled that he only got 16 touches. totally inexcusable. look at me ranting like an Eagles’ fan. i just hate inept coaching. hate it.

this Baltimore game will be a great test for this rushing offense. if they get anywhere in the 125-150 range, they should win easily.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

Westbrook

It was obvious that he would have ripped our D to shreds as a receiver out of the back field. Totally inexcusable not to get him the ball more. I think its time for all the “experts” to stop calling Reid a great coach. He can’t seem to adjust his coaching style (west coast) to the players he has. Plus his clock management sucks.

by potroast on Nov 10, 2008 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The Baltimore game

is also a good opportunity to rough up a young quarterback..
when I saw Flacco play against Villanova last year, they blitzed him ALL game, and he was literally SCARED every time he dropped back to pass.. i wouldn’t doubt if Spags requests some film from that game to see what Villanova was doing.. I explicitly remember Jaworski mentioning that game before the draft as an example of how Flacco struggles a lot against attacking defenses…
Yay!

by Hoyadestroya85 on Nov 10, 2008 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Flacco

is having a very nice rookie season. these last few games he’s really rounded into form. the key to beating Baltimore is making them play from behind (i.e. the Colts game). that allows the defense to tee-off.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Flacco

is the man. He’s had only 2 bad games this season (though they were pretty awful games), and in his last 4, he’s been phenomenal. If it weren’t for Matt Ryan, everyone would be talking about how great Flacco’s been. And I’m not just saying that b/c he’s the best player to come out of Delaware since Rich Gannon (though that helps), or b/c he single-handedly saved my fantasy season yesterday.

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok I admit it

I told Ed this week that I did not expect the Giants to win this week. But I also told him that the Giants have a tendency to win when I don’t expect them to. (Pittsburgh).

Do you guys realize the Giants have only lost 2 games on the road in 2 years, and have only lost once since last Christmas? Including the playoffs, the Giants are 12-1 in the 2008 calendar year.

I like Kevin Gilbride, I don’t think you can understate the job he has done at finding an offense that Eli Manning can prosper in, but man oh Manischewitz, I swear sometimes he calls plays like he is playing Madden 09. Giants were running all over the Eagles last night, and some of those passing calls were head-scratchers.

Brandon, Ahmad, Derrick, ok, watch me closely now…..Hold the ball up HERE. Last night I dubbed it the “Tiki Tuck”, and they all need to learn it. Playoff fortunes can turn on a single fumble.

Every week we get just a little further away from the “Shockey Days”, don’t we? Kevin Boss has a chance to be a pretty special player for the Giants. Seeing Drew Brees reaming Shockey on the sidelines last night warmed my heart.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 10, 2008 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

One last thing.....

Over 600 comments in the live thread last night, great job by everybody!

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 10, 2008 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

Great win!

That was a great win for the Giants. I have the Giants at the top of my Power Rankings, just above the undefeated Titans (would be a good game right about now). I am the Ravens blogger and will post a Q&A on the side FanPost this week so we can trade questions, comments and perhaps even a little harmless trash. We have a small but vocal group of following on Baltimore Beatdown (www.BaltimoreBeatdown.com), so feel free to stop by, join and post, as long as you keep it clean and no name calling, personal attacks, etc. (like the Cleveland fans!).

As far as the game, the Ravens defense hasn’t allowed a 100 yard rusher for 28 games in a row. While I don’t expect even Jacobs to get there, he is the best back we will have faced all season. Your team is real tough on both sides of the ball, but we have won four in a row and our offense has averaged over 30 points in that span. So don’t take us lightly as we’re coming up there to go to war. Good luck! (sort of)

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 10, 2008 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

Baltimore Beatdown

that wins the award for sweetest SB Nation blog name.

why couldn’t we get Big Blue Beatdown?

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Regards to the rushing

Have you allowed any team more than 100 yards in that span?

by Woogie526 on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

No one over 72 yards during that span

Not too sure if any team totaled over 100, but certainly no individual close. You guys will be a huge test and if we can do it to you, we will be in the game until the end. If not, then it could get ugly, as in earlier this season at Indy-ugly.

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 10, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

its 76 yards

I remember hearing on the radio, this season I dont believe a team has gotten over 76 yards on the ground overall on us.

-oh btw, im another loyal fan of the baltimore ravens. I’m looking forward to the game next week, cuz its a chance for us to prove ourselves to everyone saying we havent beat a team with a winning record (minus the dolphins) Its not our fault the tough part of our schedule is just starting

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 10, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah just checked

this season no team has gotten over 76 yards on us (even the teams we lost to). so no 100 yard rusher in 28 games, no team getting more than 76 yards on the ground on us in 9 games this season (idk about last season)

Rushing Yards against the ravens this season (by game)
60 Bengals, 70 Browns, 69 Steelers, 47 Titans, 76 Colts, 68 Dolphins, 47 Raiders, 64 Browns, 75 Texans

and note, i dont like when you use the (-) before and after a word, it makes a strikeout, the word overall above wasn’t supposed to be stricken out.

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Nov 10, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Test

It should be a good litmus test for both teams then.

I hope we break that streak, but that is biased. I think 70 yards Jacobs, 35 Ward, and 25 Bradshaw is conceivable stat line.

by Woogie526 on Nov 10, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Rexx

We’ll be around. And my guys will keep if friendly, or I wil have to give them a beatdown.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I know no one cares

But I hung on in my fantasy game by 7 points…. :P Lil too close for my taste.

by Woogie526 on Nov 10, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

That game hurt.

It hurt so bad because the players on the field for the Eagles appeared to be doing their part to win the game, but the coaching staff seemed to be doing everything it could to lose it for them. The giants have a heck of a running game, and I have to admit that losing Tiki may have been the best thing that ever happened to the giants. While we were holding the giants to 3 yards or so up the middle, we’re still getting killed on the edges, but I digress.

That was a great game, but a game that the Eagles “could” have won. I won’t say should have, but could have. And that’s the worst part. We have a team with no running game that runs at the worst times, when we should be running a Patriots-style offense that passes the ball on every down because our receivers are our strong suit. But it was a good game nonetheless.

As an Eagles fan, I just wanted to jump on and say I fully agree with your wet willie to Andy Reid, hopefully he’ll give the offensive calling back to Morninwheg.

by thwalls on Nov 10, 2008 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

As a philly resident

I can’t wait to turn on WIP and listen to people calling for Andy Reid’s Firing

by Hoyadestroya85 on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Could have

Yes you could have. But without a couple of gifts from the Giants you should not have even had a chance. the giants really should have put up at least another 10 points, and we gave you at least a gift 7. So, this game could easily have been 46-21 or something like that.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

See there you go with the should haves...

An interception is not a gift, a penalty called on a punt that could have been a TD is not a gift. There are no GIFTS in football, and to say so is ridiculous. The giants did not execute well on those plays and the Eagles capitalized and that allowed them to stay in the game. PERIOD.

By your logic:

McNabb’s receivers should have not dropped any passes and we would have scored 14 more points on the drives that went 3 and out. Eli should have been intercepted a 8 more times. The Eagles should have started andy reid at center and his massive girth could have prevented you from getting anywhere near McNabb.

We COULD have called a pass on 3rd and 2 and made our passing 3rd downs 4 for 4 on that drive and run down the field and won the game.

Furthermore, we were 4 for 5 in the redzone and even with all your running yards we still kept pace, because of your ineptitude and our resilience. If you believe that that loss was a sound beating then you need to have your head examined.

by thwalls on Nov 11, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Great game!

No doubt that poor excuse for a coach of ours was a big reason we lost. Some other folks are saying there were bad calls from the refs. The only bad calls I saw werent from the refs, it was from the coaching staff. Anyways, the reason the Eagles lost was Jacobs and the other beasts from the backfield, plain and simple. You guys got some monsters there. Giants deserved to win this game hands down. And with a running game like that I dont see how anyone is going to stop them. I have to ask though. I didnt see the Browns game, how did the Giants loose that one? They seem almost indestructible.

by EaglesPhan on Nov 10, 2008 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

classy

it’s nice to see all these Eagles fans compliment the Giants. you guys will be fine. at 0-3 the division is probably out the window, but i still think Philly is better than other Wild Card contenders like Dallas, Carolina, and Atlanta (and i guess Washington?).

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

the Eagles have had some tough luck, but I would still put my money on them if they were playing Dallas or Washington. The Skins are overrated – as Pittsburgh showed, if you can shut down Portis, you shut down the Skins (although that’s easier said than done).

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the positive thinking but the Skins already got us because Portis. he torched the D. Dallas I think we can handle and most likely the Skins. Its gonig to be a tough road. The next game against NY at your house is going to be a tough one. Hope it lives up to this last one. Of course I’ll be pulling for a different outcome. Maybe Reid will be absent.

by EaglesPhan on Nov 10, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Me, too

The Eagles are one heckuva good team. I think they are better than Dallas, and I know darn well they are better than any wild card contender from any other division.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to tell you guys

I’m glad I found the BBV…and you guys!
Mike & Mike threw their own kudos this morning, especially Golic saying the sign of a great team was making mistakes, but still finding a way to win! They’re showing our Gmen some love!

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

crap

that’s right…I keep forgetting that, I always remember him as a Dolphin!

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing -

The Giants made a ton of mistakes last night (the fumbles, INT, etc.) but still found a way to win the game. In a hostile environment, that’s huge.

Interesting thing I heard on WFAN this morning (thank god I can tune in the FAN on my iphone out here in San Francisco!!) but they said that the mark of a good team is a team that can beat you every way: they can beat you in a hard fought physical battle, they can beat you in an offensive shootout, they can beat you in an evenly matched streetfight, etc. I thought that was especially prescient because this team is REAL solid and they seem to change their style of play to just win games; whether that means air it out or it just means bludgeon their opponent into submission.

by Cody K on Nov 10, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Toomer

"I think it was a statement game for the division, because we let everyone know we went through one time and beat everybody pretty handily," said wide receiver Amani Toomer, noting the Giants’ earlier victories over Washington and Dallas. "We’re a team to be reckoned with. We want to win this NFC East. We didn’t get a chance to do that last year. Hopefully, we can do it this year."

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Eli on the challenge

"(Manning) wanted the challenge and upstairs backed it up," Coughlin said. "From upstairs, they were saying his foot might have been on the line, but he wasn’t over it. With the naked eye I wasn’t sure. I was back behind the play. Eli was pretty sure."

"I didn’t know for sure," Manning said. "I just know that rule where your entire body has to be across the line of scrimmage. If you have one toe on the line of scrimmage, then it’s a legal pass. So I thought it was worth the risk (to challenge the call). I knew I was going to be close to the line of scrimmage. But I know that rule where it may look like you’re across the line of scrimmage. But if your foot is behind that line, then it’s a legal pass."

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

That doesn't worry me

Teams key on the Big-Play players, like Burress and Westbrook. If you have a great team, another player will step up when the star gets shut down. Burress has been the top receiver in 3 of of the 8 games he has played in. But, Boss, Ward, Toomer, Hixon (Burress out), and Smith (twice) have also been the top receiver in a game. Last night, Burress only caught one pass but he was attracting double coverage all night. That left everyone else in single coverage.

by TerraByte on Nov 10, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

We are quick to give B Jacobs credit for pounding the D whether he has a big game or not. Burress certainly is opening things up for his teammates as well and it should be recognized.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 10, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice little read

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=484541

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

next stop

Buying a Chase Blackburn jersey

by queler on Nov 10, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

And I was, umm, the idiot who thought Blackburn probably wouldn’t even make the team when camp opened.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Never considered rubbing that in.

Nope , not once……absolutely not….nope.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Nov 10, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, well

Just remember who delivers those cheerleader photos for you.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I can supply the cheerleader photos bbwc

go ahead, rub it in, LOL

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 10, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You know

I won’t be able to see the boys “live” until the last home game of the season when I come home for Christmas, but I think I’m going to have to add a Jacobs jersey, and maybe a Ward jersey, to my collection. My Toomer jersey, though worn proud, needs a little rest! ;-)
I like using the word “arsenal” for our O-line!

Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare. They are consumed in twelve minutes. Half-times take twelve minutes. This is not coincidence.

by LI-cowgirl on Nov 10, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I wonder

If The Beast is too big for the tiki tuck..
as for my #27 jersey.. i’ll have to wait until he gets paid, but I may get a jersey of his no matter who he plays for because i’ve been a fan of his since my (and his) days in Carbondale, Illinois.. home of the Salukis

by Hoyadestroya85 on Nov 10, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Just one
That Madison penalty was bogus. He barley touched the guy, it was the momentum along with the touch that sent him flying. Not a 15 yard penalty.

by ProudYankee on Nov 10, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

How about kudos for the secondary?

We didn’t get a lot of pressure on McNabb. He often had a lot of time for reads but no one to throw to.
On BJ’s hurdle, it looked like he was knocked cold, thus the fumble…not that he should have tried it in the first place. Boss’s hurdle was a thing of beauty. The man’s an ATHLETE.

by george cronin on Nov 10, 2008 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

what bout phillips?

He proved himself on Monday night. As a rookie coming in and starting as safety he deserves a lot of credit. Kudos

by BOSSMAN89 on Nov 12, 2008 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

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