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Eli better than Peyton? Wow!

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Oh, boy! I read opinions in two places Tuesday that Eli is the best quarterback in the Manning family. Admit it, Giants fans. You never thought you would see the day someone would write that Eli is better than Peyton, and be serious about it.

Yet, Tuesday that was exactly what happened.

Here is ESPN's Gregg Easterbrook.

Eli Manning is now a better quarterback than Peyton Manning. At the current rate, his career achievements will at least match, and perhaps surpass, his big brother's.

Four games into his fifth season, Eli is 44-30 as a starter and has a Super Bowl ring. At the same point in his career, Peyton was 35-35 and had not won a postseason game. In terms of passing stats, the two players are approximately the same. In terms of leadership, Eli won the Super Bowl in his fourth season with a team whose personnel was so undistinguished, not one of the 16 sets of expert predictions ESPN.com ran before the 2007 season even had the Giants making the playoffs, let alone winning the Super Bowl. On Sunday, both Manning brothers recorded monster wins, and both played well. Eli achieved close to perfection -- he was 19-of-25 for 267 yards, with two touchdowns and no interceptions. His perfect passing made who-dat backup receiver Domenik Hixon (see below) look like a star, and his leadership skills inspired the who-dat Giants offensive line -- quick, how many of them can you name without peeking? -- to play like the New England offensive line of 2007. Stretching back to last season, the Giants have won eight straight games, and this season's 127-49 scoring margin over their opponents is spectacular. If football stays popular for a thousand years, Eli's escape from four tacklers on that last-minute Super Bowl scoring drive will always be one of the sport's signature plays. Peyton is great, and a near-lock for Canton. Eli may be bound for the same place, with his bust in a slightly nicer corner.

Lest you think Easterbrook is spitting in the wind, here is Roy S. Johnson writing for Yahoo! Sports.

For a while Baby Brother was, well, just a Manning – the second son of former Saint Archie Manning to reach the NFL. The words " 'Ole Miss" and "BCS" were never uttered in the same sentence during his years as a Rebel. He entered the NFL as a haughty pout, refusing to play for San Diego and forcing a trade with the Giants that for years seemed as lopsided as the 1626 sale of Manhattan for about a grand.

Now, Eli is not only his own Manning after winning his own Super Bowl ring last season. Baby Brother is also – buckle up for this one – the Best Manning

One quarter into the season, Eli and the Giants are undefeated (not so special given their weak early-season schedule) and sitting atop the NFC East, the NFL's toughest division. Peyton's Colts, meanwhile, are a wobbly 2-2 and lagging behind the Who-Are-These-Guys Titans, who are 5-0.

On Sunday, Eli dissected the Seattle secondary as if the "No-See" 'Hawks were practice cones. He completed 19 of 24 passes and threw for 267 yards and 2 TDs in about three quarters of work in the Giants' 44-6 rout. Big Brother was impressive, too, against the Texans, but needed a late-game comeback from a 17-point hole (buoyed by fumbles from Houston's stand-in QB, Sage Rosenfels) to eke out a 31-27 win. Big Brother finished with 247 yards, completing 25 of 34 passes with 2 TDs and 1 INT. Baby brother didn't throw a single pick.

For his body of work, Peyton may still be the Best Manning on paper. And, yes, if I had to choose one of them for a pickup game as they both stood around needling each other, I'd be hard-pressed not to tab Big Bro'.

But it would be the wrong pick because right now, Baby Brother is the best Manning.

Wow! I am not going to take sides in this debate, and I will never disrespect Peyton Manning -- one of the best QBs to ever play the position.

I am just here to express my amazement. A year ago we were still wondering if Eli could cut it as a big time quarterback in New York. Now, it is being suggested that he could be heading toward a career that will put him among the all-time greats.

Amazing!

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stirring the pot. while we are all in agreement that Eli has improve leaps and bounds over the past nine months, i’m not yet willing to put him over a surefire Hall of Famer and one of the top five or six quarterbacks of all-time. that being said, isn’t it funny that the same people saying Eli has surpassed Peyton are the ones that had him behind David Garrard and Matt Schaub in various QB rankings at the start of the season? what a joke.

Peyton has had a lot of injuries to the offensive line, and the Colts have turned to a few rookies (Richard, Pollak, Justice) to fill holes. for a long time, Indy had the best O-line in football, but that’s no longer the case – that title now unquestionably belongs to the Giants.

Eli is developing into an elite QB, but he’s not at that Brady/Manning level. in order to do that, he’ll at least have to put a couple of really strong regular season performances together. this is still a guy that has a career QB rating of 75.1 and has completed 55% of his passes (big bro: 94.3 rating, 64% passer). at least we know now that Eli will be around for a long, long time. after last year’s performances against Washington and Minnesota, i thought it was time for the Giants to just cut their losses.

it’s an exciting time to be a Giants fan.

p.s. living in Indianapolis and sending these articles to everybody i know has made my day/week/month.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 8, 2008 6:45 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indianapolis

You pretty much summarized the argument. It’s way too early to say Eli is better. You can say he is playing better right now, but that’s it. I’m sure you are in your glory right now in Indy. One bad game, though, and it all changes. That’s how it goes.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 8, 2008 7:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree

I completely agree with your argument. I was definitely one of the guys who thought after the first 2 losses last season that he might have worn out his welcome as the starter. I always thought his low completion rate was terrible, but I also believe the Giant’s receivers have been prone to dropping passes. Through the first four games last year, the Giants had 13 dropped passes (Plaxico being the main culprit).

Can I blame his career completion percentage all on Eli? probably not. It is probably a combo of the ball he throws and the players dropping passes, but I think even if half those passes were caught he would have been closer to 60% completion rate if not above.

I think he has always been better than I gave him credit for and is growing into a potentially elite QB. am not ready to give him the nod over Peyton, but if he continues on this path for the rest of the season, I may re-think that come December.

by losangelesmets on Oct 8, 2008 10:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also agree with you.

While I knew (yes, I told everybody this during pre-season of 2007) that Eli would come into his own, I think a couple of years of his showing some consistency is required. If he continues at the level he’s playing at right now, I think he will be a shoe-in for MVP this year.

He is playing better right now, and we all know what’s wrong in Indy – at least WE think we know. The O-Line is no bueno.

Personally, I have no problem with these articles. I love Eli and always have…since Ole Miss. And I think you’ll find most Indy fans are also Eli fans as well. I am actually very happy that Easy E is getting some love, lord knows he’s been put through the wringer…and all the while maintained his dignity.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Oct 8, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Easterbrook really went off the deep end giving Eli a bust in Canton. I love Eli and he’s doing great, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Anyway, your right Ed. What a difference a year makes. I was one of the ones who questioned if he’d ever be a top flight QB on here after that game in Dallas last year when he was clearly outclassed by Romo. I think it’s now obvious that he belongs among the best in the game (although not Brady-Peyton level yet).

by potroast on Oct 8, 2008 8:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

As a Giant fan, I believe that Eli has been great hands down, but how could one compare a quarterback whose one of the greatest of all time to a quarterback and has a o-line that is depleted do to injuries. Yet we look at Eli as if he’s on a much higher level than anyone in football, he’s only played 4 games against 4 crappy teams (with exception of the Redskins and Jim Zorn’s first game), he still hasn’t seen the meat of his schedule yet, he still has to play the cowboys twice, the eagles twice, redskins, steelers, ravens, panthers and vikings. Let’s see how the season comes about before we make any assumption on how great Eli is. Personally, I think Eli will be a great QB and let him make a Pro Bowl first, but again let’s see how the season goes. I say he wins, either 12-13 wins.

by skiii on Oct 8, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's all about the O-Line

Eli is shining right now because his O-line is playing at a VERY high level. Conversely, the entire Indy offense is struggling because of several injuries to players on the O-line (J. Saturday, etc.) and, to a lesser degree, injuries to D Clark and T Gonzales. But I really think that Eli’s O Line is far superior to Peyton’s O-line. It’s even conceivable that the Gmen O-line is the best on the league in terms of consistency, run-blocking, pass protection, etc. Right now, teams can stack the box to stop Addai and blitz the hell out of Peyton. Let’s wait to anoint him him as “better” than Peyton – but for right now, sure, Eli is definitely having more success, due in large part to the depth on the Giants and their plethora of weapons (something the Colts used to have but seem to be lacking this season).

by Cody K on Oct 8, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Eli a lot

but I think this is going overboard. Just a quick numbers comparison:

Peyton:
Rookie: 3739 Yards, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 56.1, 71.2 Passer Rating (3-13)
Year 2: 4135 Yards, 26 TDs, 15 INT, 62.1, 90.7 Passer Rating (13-3)
Year 3: 4413 Yards, 33 TDs, 15 INT, 62.5, 94.7 Passer Rating (10-6)
Year 4: 4131 Yards, 26 TDs, 23 INT, 62.7, 84.1 Passer Rating (6-10)

Eli:
Rookie: 1043 Yards, 6 TDs, 9 INT, 48.2, 55.4 Passer Rating (1-6)
Year 2: 3762 Yards, 24 TD, 17 INT, 52.8, 75.9% (11-5)
Year 3: 3244 Yards, 24 TD, 18 INT, 57.7, 77.0 (8-8)
Year 4: 3336 Yards, 24 TD, 20 INT, 56.1, 73.9 (10-6*)

Peyton had a significant advantage in passing yards, TDs, TD/INT ration, completion percentage, and passer rating. Eli has a better career record (.545 to .500 through 4 years). Now, I know Eli has played great many times when games were on the line, but to me, the record disparity suggests nothing more than that he played on better teams than his brother through the first 4 seasons of his career. I definitely agree that Eli is playing better football than Peyton right now, and I also think it’s perfectly possible that he will continue to play better football than Peyton for the rest of their respective careers. That does not, however, make Eli a better QB than Peyton, who is almost certainly one of the 5 best of all time. And I don’t really consider that a knock on Eli at all, just a recognition of the greatness of Peyton.

by cjmulrain on Oct 8, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TMQ

I’m surprised that he didn’t take the opportunity to praise Coughlin for putting in David Carr in the fourth quarter of a blowout, after rightly skewering Belichick for leaving Brady in to run up the score last season (which left them woefully unprepared when Cassel had to take the reins this year).

Regarding Eli and Peyton, I think cjmulrain above has it right. You can’t really put the Colts’ mediocre record during Peyton’s early years entirely at his feet – it was hardly his fault that the team couldn’t play defense before Dungy showed up, was it?

by JoshNY on Oct 10, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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