Defending Gilbride
The New York Giants are defending Super Bowl champions. They are 6-1 and leading the NFC East. They might very well be the best team in the NFL right now.
If you can't be happy as a New York Giants fan right now and just enjoy the moment, enjoy the fact that pretty much everyone else is envious of US, then maybe nothing will ever make you happy.
I bring this up because I read too much nonsense Monday that ruined my celebratory mood. I was particularly galled to read a piece in 'The Fifth Down,' the New York Times football blog, that went so far as to call Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride 'delusional.'
Here it is.
We are midway through the season, Brandon Jacobs has already lost that 1/4 or 1/2 step, and now he is a tremendous liability in short yardage and the red zone. Not to mention how predictable the playcalling is on top of that. There might as well be a neon sign blinking above his head: "IT’S GOING TO ME, GUYS!" When Ward started getting more touches in the latter part of the second half, you could see the offense stop the stagnation. Like everyone has commented here numerous times, this is no KNOCK on Jacobs. It is on Gilbride’s delusional use of him when it is not working. And some of this he should have understood from the film room in New Jersey, not on Heinz Field. Jacobs matches well vs the softie defenses that are not ready for a fight. Against a physical team like the Steelers, you still need to use him, but not at the expense of Ward and/or Bradshaw. And will someone tell Gilbride to practice the dumpoff pass to the RB outlet on the checkdown? Ward and Bradshaw can kill teams like this with that stuff.
Now, listen. There are times when I want to scream at the television like the rest of you over one play call or another. Every fan of every team does that whenever a play backfires or winds up looking stupid. Go read Monday's entries in Behind The Steel Curtain and see what sort of invectives Pittsburgh Steelers fans are hurling at offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. It's not pretty.
Fact is, though, on the heels of Sunday's game is no time to be criticizing Gilbride. The Giants controlled the ball for nearly 35 minutes against the best defense in the league, and put together five scoring drives. True, four resulted in field goals but the Giants did move the football pretty consistently.
Steelers fans, in fact, came away wishing Gilbride called plays for them. Listen to a comment by 'Chicago Steeler' from a fan post here on BBV.
I watched that game with incredible envy on the offensive side of the ball. Your play calling seemed to switch every drive. Granted the Steelers defense was still winning most of the time, but the play calls were never static. Maybe on the one yard line they ran the same plays over and over, but with brandon jacobs you’ve gotta think you can get four inches.
Kill Gilbride for the play-calling at the goal line if you want. I think the failures had more to do with the Giants just not getting the job done rather than calling bad plays. Oh, and give the Steelers defense some credit. That defense is very, very good.
Look at the big picture. The Giants are third in the league in yardage per game (378.9) and have the best running attack in the league (157.3 yards per game). The Giants have scored 191 points (27.3 per game). Among teams that have played seven games, only four have scored more (Arizona tops that list with 200 points).
How bad of a job can Gilbride actually be doing?
You might not think the Giants offense is exciting, but victories are definitely exciting. And the Giants are doing what they need to do on offense to win games.
They have a balanced attack other teams are envious of. They can run the ball effectively, using any of three backs. They can throw the ball effectively with short, intermediate and long passes to a variety of targets. They don't turn the ball over.
Gilbride has to get credit for these things.
Being critical of Gilbride's handling of Jacobs is silly. Gilbride and Tom Coughlin have used the big beast beautifully this season. Give him the ball early and often to wear down the defense, then use Ward and Bradshaw. The big fella's power and speed set an aggressive tone for the Giants offense and make life easier for the other backs. The fact that the Giants don't overuse him will keep him fresh and effective deeper into the season.
One more thing about predictability and play-calling. Sometimes, when you believe you are better than the other guy you challenge them physically. You dare them to stop you because you don't believe they can. This is the case with the Giants. They have a 270-pound monster of a running back and an offensive line that might be the game's best right now.With that combination what is wrong with lining up, saying 'We don't think you can stop us,' and daring a defense to do just that? More often than not, the Giants win that battle.
I know fans want to see more of Bradshaw. Who would take carries away from, though? Jacobs is averaging 4.9 yards per carry and Derrick Ward is picking up 6.2 yards every time he runs with the ball.
Relax and enjoy the ride, Giants fans. These are the salad days for our Giants, so enjoy them. Considering how things are going for the Giants right now, you have nothing to complain about.
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I just don't have a lot of complaints
about Gilbride. Winning ‘s what counts. Damn, we should have had two more TDs, but the team just couldn’t do it. Every Giant will have an incentive to improve in TC’s “Green Zone.”
Gilbride
I agree that overall Gilbride is doing a fine job, but I’m siding with the 5th Down when it comes to these short yardage situations. It would be nice to just line up & and run straight up the middle every time we want, but the reality is that we 1) don’t have a big OL to really run over people (they’re a great O-line, they’re just not big) and 2) Jacobs is not at his best here because he doesn’t get low and drive a pile like great goal line backs (no matter how big he is). So when a defense knows exactly what is coming (especially a great one like Pitt), then it is pretty hard to execute because of these factors. Plus add onto the fact that I know of at least 2 instances in goal line situations in that game that if Jacobs had made a good read and cut slightly back, then he would have went in the end zone untouched. Listen, I love the Beast as much as anyone and I think are O-line is very good. I’m just saying I don’t think the best goal line strategy for this team is to line up and run the same play up the middle every time against a great run defense.
Probably not
But, I also remember several pass plays inside the 10 that did not work Sunday, either. I am inclined to give Pittsburgh ‘D’ some credit rather than be incredibly critical of the Giants.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs
I will also agree that I do remember at least one short-yardage play where Jacobs misread a play.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Pot, what you say about our OL is true, but still it's big enough, I think, to get the job done.
The problem against a good D is BJ. As you point out he runs straight up and doesn’t cut well in tight spaces. I wonder if Ward would do better in goal line situations? He’s got a lot of power and hard to bring down one on one, plus he can cut in tight quarters. I suspect Gilbride and TC will give him a few shots in these goal line situations.
by george cronin on Oct 28, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why they call us "Armchair Quarterbacks"
How long did we scream for the Giants to go “no-huddle” for Eli?
We want Jacobs to get the ball more
We want Ahmad to get the ball more
We want Ward to get the ball more
We want Hixon to get the ball more
And HEY! Why don’t the Giants throw to Tight Ends?
With the Giants offense, two things matter:
Are they scoring enough to win? Check.
Is Eli keeping the turnovers to a minimum? Check.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 28, 2008 8:00 AM EDT reply actions
jeez
one goal line stand by (in rushing yards per game) the third best run defense in the NFL and Jacobs is “a tremendous liability in short yardage and the red zone”? guy’s averaging 4.9 YPC and already has more rushing TDs than last year, but, you know, let’s panic because of what happened on three plays. sports media are such idiots.
True enough...
but on the two trips inside the 10 in the 4th quarter, Ward was in the game. On the series late in the second quarter, Jacobs didn’t touch the ball. Jacobs had the fumble (the one McKenzie recovered) in the first quarter but that play was a blocking failure, he never even got back to the line. The argument seems to be entirely based on that one series in the second quarter. Yes, Jacobs didn’t get in, but calling him a “tremendous liability” on that basis is silly.
Being a Giant Fan
Honestly, has anyone ever met a loyal Giant fan that doesn’t complain about something. Lets face it, we were brought up that way, except for the 1950’s, Giant fans have had decades of bad teams. Yes we won 3 SB’s, but the Giants were never called a " Dynasty " . So , being a loyal Giant fan, we will always complain. Its how we were raised, its our fathers fault. I do believe the Giants found a formula to winning, and who knows, can these Giants become…wait for it…..a DYNASTY. Wouldn’t be great for the Giants to REPEAT and Possibly THREEPEAT…………………………you never know……
"18-1, Write that Book"
Very very very true
I am a third generation “Giants yeller-atter”
BigBl42, I know you are at least 2nd gen
That’s why I always laugh when people talk about Simms with such reverance. I think if we could all step into the Giants Wayback Machine, you would find that alot of times, his first name was “Goddamm”
Dave Brown had a different first name too, but their may be kids and women on the board today.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 28, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
True
It is sort of like trying to overcome a lifetime of ingrained, learned behavior. We have always expected the bad.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Red Sox fans
have done it right quick. They were all superconfident in the ALCS even down 3-1. What a change 2 championships makes…
It's funny
I was thinking about the comparison with Red Sox fans. Even though I hate the Red Sox.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
hey Ed, don't be afraid to tell us how you really feel ;)
in all seriousness though, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Our boys are getting the job done, and though it may not always be pretty, it’s working. Also, let’s not forget that Pittsburgh had the number 1 ranked defense going into Sunday’s game. 6 other teams tried to do what we did and only 1 of them was successful. As for the goal line, ESPN posted an article yesterday that said that it was actually Eli that was responsible for tipping off the Steeler’s D. (I think it was Chadiha who wrote the peice but I’m not sure) and we corrected it later by running the same setup and faking the run, then passing to Boss for the TD. As for the timing of the two, I’d rather have the 2nd one and win the game than the first and who knows what would’ve happened.
LOL!!
Hey, gotta tell you what I think to keep the conversation going.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
ED, share all you want..
but please don’t mention the Red Sox on BBV. I have this condition that I tend to black out when talking about the Red Sox, my Doctor says I’m getting better but the pain is strill there……………
"18-1, Write that Book"
LOL!!
Sorry about that. I will do better next time.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Let it go
It will still take them 200 years to catch up to you in rings.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 28, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the offensive coach
I watched the game with a steeler fan, and I was yelling at the TV everytime they tried to run with no success, most likely in the red zone or green zone or whatever. But this is what I thought at the end of the game, and although is very unlikely I think he set the steelers up. That is why the TD to Boss was so easy. He kept challenging the steelers D with Jacobs running into a wall. A play action was an option at that point, but it was also in the first, second and third quarter. So everybody was expecting a run on that TD pass. TC and Gilbride knew they were going to blow the steelers away. He kept them in the game by being conservative just to stomach punch them at the end. I agree the result is what matters, but I like to thing that he was smart enough to set the steelers up and they felt for it.
serge...
the aforementioned article is at http://m.espn.go.com/NFL/story?storyid=3667464 that’s what really happened.
Cody k references the same article on his fanpost.
or just go to ESPN.com and look up Giants. It was posted yesterday or the day before
I'm in the "Anti-Gilbride" Camp
There are several reasons for this. I believe the following to be true:
1) Eli’s continuing maturation actually comes from Chris Palmer (vs. Gilbride) and the drills and lessons he has imparted on Eli
2) Gilbride outhtinks himself sometimes. Notice how often plays come in late and Eli is forced to get the snap off with 1 second left on the play clock (or, sometimes zero!). Now, in Gilbride’s defense, I think he has gotten somewhat better at getting plays in this season (ie the problem was worse in the past) however, it continues to be an issue and when the play doesn’t come in until late in the play clock, Eli can’t effectively audible or set up routes properly, nor can O’Hara set up the correct protection schemes in a timely manner. This is a problem and it can stall even the best drives.
3) this is more of a 2a, but sometimes I get the feeling that Gilbride gets too cute on offense. Rather than just lining it up and letting it rip, sometimes there are bizarre runs on 2nd and short (when you’ve got a great opportunity to take a shot deep).
4) With the playmakers on offense, I question the dearth of screen passes. There was (I believe) one to Manningham (Hey Mario! when you drop those easy passes – that’s an easy way to get into Coughlin’s doghouse…just sayin’). But no screen passes to Bradshaw (remember the ones that Tiki used to take to the house with regularity?) – no bubble screens to Boss to get him rumbling in the open field?
Other than those points above – I would like to see the run/pass ratios skew a little more towards the run throughout the game. But I ultimately think he’s doing a less-than-serviceable job. I think he can certainly do better – but I believe that he will get there. I’m hoping that he’s playing the “O” close to the vest and will be letting it rip as the schedule gets more difficult.
'Less than serviceable?'
We agree to disagree on that. One thing I will say is there are times when the Giants have played a little close to the vest. The Washington game, maybe a couple of others. When you are better, and you know damn well the other team can’t score on you, that is not a bad thing to do. Coughlin hinted the other day there are more things the offense hasn’t shown, and I think those will unfold as the season comes along. We are 6-1, that’s the bottom line.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW,
Who called the screen to Ward that went for 35 yards against the 49ers? Or, the one to Ward that worked Sunday against the Steelers but got called back by a penalty?
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche
Good call on the screen passes. I do think back to the days of Tiki when the GMen had an excellent RB capable of making guys miss – so that’s just one type of play that I’d like to see utilized more frequently.
I can, however, stand behind criticizing Gilbride for the calls on the goal line carries. The fact that the Giants didn’t attempt a play action pass off of a fake to B Jacobs until the end of the 4th Q to me is inexcusable. Even a bootleg, or a play action option pass/run.
So while I would love to see the play-calling progress a little differently, I can readily admit that perhaps I’m being too harsh on Gilbride.
Big picture, small picture
AS I said in my initial piece, there are always questionable play calls. Just like QBs make questionable throws, etc. No play caller has ever dialed up the perfect play call in every situation. I just look at the big picture of how the Giants play overall on offense and I think Gilbride gets some credit there.
He’s not perfect, but by and large I think the Giants have a sound offensive approach.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Close to the vest
Funny you should say that, since the thought crossed my mind more than once before the Steelers game. On the other hand, that was the perfect game to try (in that it was so close.) Maybe the Pittsburgh D was too tough, or more likely the Giants are going to stick with what has worked for them— solid execution of a straightforward offense.
by george cronin on Oct 28, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The one thing I would like
is for him to add more Run and Shoot elements to the team, since that’s what he (and seemingly Eli) is good at
I think
you will see things open up as the season progresses and the stuff is needed in big spots.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 28, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont discount the schedule...
Ive been a fan all my life, but even I must admit the schedule thus far has been fairly easy…we were able to catch the Skins and Rams at their lowest points, the bengals are miserable, ditto for the niners.
So we’ll so how Gilbrides play calling works against the remainder of the schedule, which is as hard as we’ve ever seen.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

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