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Giants don't impress Field Gulls

We have barely talked about this week's opponent, the Seattle Seahawks. Over at Field Gulls, our Seattle Seahawks blog, lead blogger John Morgan seems to be thinking plenty about the 3-0 New York Giants.

To be direct, Mr. Morgan does not seem terribly impressed by the defending Super Bowl champions.

Morgan has done some lengthy analysis of the Giants defense, offense and running backs. Reading what he has to say you would think the 1-2 Seahawks are coming to Giants Stadium as, oh, two-touchdown favorites instead of 7-point underdogs.

Here is part of what he had to say about New York's defense.

The truth is, the 2007 Giants badly declined after losing Tiki Barber. Winning has a way of washing away all sins, but the Giants were a below average offense minus Barber, dropping ten spots overall, from ninth in 2006 to 19th in 2007. Dropping exactly where an informed fan would expect: passing and on third downs. The Giants, minus Barber's 7.2 receiving DPAR and without an adequate replacement, suffered collaterally. Manning was significantly worse on third down than he was on first or second down and was terrible under pressure. Among quarterbacks with thirty or more attempts under "pressure" (as defined by Football Outsiders), Manning was the worst in the NFL.

The offense did decline. Given time, so will the defense. ...

My attitude is always trust talent. Though Justin Tuck looks primed for a series of dominant seasons and Fred Robbins continues his run as quiet badass in the interior, there's no losing a strong pass rushing linebacker in Kawika Mitchell, a top ten defensive end in Umenyiora, and a top ten all-time defensive end in Strahan, and avoiding decline. Much less improving.

Early impressions can be deceiving. I'm confident New York's defense, that has many a Seahawks fan quivering in their boots, is soon to show a softer side.

Ticked off yet? Well, there's more. Here is what he had to say about Brandon Jacobs.

Jacobs is a powerful, quick downhill rusher with incredible feet for his size, but his cuts become narrow and deliberate on the run. That's where I think Seattle's gang tackling, penetrative defense will shine. Jacobs is not strong at cutting laterally. His best cuts are up field. If Seattle should get early penetration, Jacobs is poorly fit to cut back away from defenders or scramble for daylight. Jacobs lack of elusiveness should allow Seattle to get bodies on him, and that should negate his power. I have all the respect in the world for Jacobs and think he's a top flight running back, but I see this matchup in Seattle's favor. Their run defense, already dominant, should turn Jacobs into a non-factor.

I should expect Morgan to look for reasons to feel good about Seattle's chances. About the nicest thing I can say about his analysis is he certainly isn't showing the Giants much respect.

Hopefully, come Sunday evening, he will regret that.

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Are you doing 5 questions with this Joker? They can ridicule our pass rush? BJ’s no good? A “non factor”?………oh boy

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Oct 2, 2008 7:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I am

I don’t have his answers yet. I was bored to tears by all the stats, and amazed by the “they really aren’t that good” tone.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm stunned

This is the dumbest thing, anyone has ever said, ever:

“The offense did decline, and given time, so will the defense”

What is he basing this on? Unless by “time” he means “20 years”, because yeah, I could see how Fred Robbins might not be as effective when he is 51.

And does this genius know the Giants have a few other running backs besides Jacobs, and that they have been effective when Jacobs has not?

I just went over there and read it, after about 10 words it all sounds like an adult in the “Peanuts” cartoons.

Between this guy, and the other genius who caused a stir with his Seahawks blog the other day, this has become a game I want the Giants to win VERY badly.

One last thing, when the Seahawks were sucking nightly at the Kingdome for all those years, had anyone even heard of a Seahawks fan?

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree

this D with youngsters like Tuck, Coefield, Kiwi, Phillips, Ross, and the immortal Chase Blackburn is on the rise if anything.

i’m not as big of a Jacobs fan as most on here, but his “lack of elusiveness” really doesn’t matter when he’s running defenders over. i think the Seattle run D is strong, but what John fails to mention is the effectiveness of Derrick Ward and Ahmad Bradshaw this season. if you contain BJake, that’s fine. Cincinnati did that (14 car, 35 yds), but then Ward rushed for 80 and went over 100 total yards. none of the Giants first three opponents have been able to shut down all three backs thus far, that’s what makes their rush offense so dangerous.

as for the offensive numbers, stats are nice. Super Bowl rings are nicer. if Championships were won by the teams with the #1 total offense and the #1 total defense, wouldn’t the Cowboys or Colts play the Ravens or Bears every year?

and if he’s arguing that Eli “regressed” in 2007 (SB Championship) compared to 2006 (2nd half collapse and Wild Card round exit), then i want to buy some pot from him.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 2, 2008 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too true.

Stats are ok, but Rings are much better.

And I’ve said it time and time again…I would kill for your RB triplets! Difficult to even think about Tiki these days…

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Oct 2, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is

We’ve played 2 crappy teams, but that does not mean that our data is skewed.

My question for them is what is going to prevent the giants from lining up 8/9 in the box each play. They have no legit wideouts currently.

The giants will probably blitz 50% of the time is my gut feeling.

by Woogie526 on Oct 2, 2008 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Since D. Branch, B. Engram, K. Robinson will all be back, and McMullin and Keary have another 2 weeks of experience with the playbook and offense, I would say we have a few wideouts. Good luck, at least you guys gave our cheerleaders a fair evaluation ;)

by vanrijn on Oct 2, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Van

I could look at the SeaGals all day … Let’s just say I took my time selecting a photo. LOL!!

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You hit it

right on the head jrs. " Between this guy, and the other genius who caused a stir with his Seahawks blog the other day, this has become a game I want the Giants to win VERY badly." As far as the blogger , it goes beyond bad taste and a lack of discretion, I can’t really respond the way I’d like to.What good could it do, I wish he’d come say those things to my face though. The SB nation guy has me kind of stunned though, Even without Burress we can still pass the ball, I guess he forgot that. Ward and Bradshaw are chopped meat? The defense is going to show their “softer side”? Yeah I’ll have an extra rooting interest Sunday!

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Oct 2, 2008 8:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

I wasn’t really pumped up about Sunday. Thanks to Mr. Morgan, I am now.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

To me, this is an incredible over-reliance on numbers. If you just want to throw stats around you can make any team out to be anything you want, which is pretty much what he did. What matters is the result on the scoreboard at the end of four quarters, and we know how the Giants have been doing with that stat.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

was the homerism unexpected?

the field gulls post doesnt get me any more fired up about the game, unlike the 9/11 piece of shit guy.

he makes some valid points but really over states the affect they will have on the game. plus the c-hox blow. seriously, who do they have on their team? its a scrub-fest. still, what is the guy supposed to say ‘oh yeah, we suck, gaints by 2 TDs sounds about right.’?

by kendynamo on Oct 2, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's how I feel

his points are valid, but he ignores other factors which would poke holes in it. I actually agree with him completely re: Jacobs: if a defense can penetrate into the backfield, Jacobs loses most of his effectiveness. Of course, the Giants have maybe the best O-line in the NFL, at least for run blocking, so it’s not very common for defenses to get into the backfield, but if they do and Jacobs isn’t effective, like others have mentioned, we just change the pace and go to Ward or Bradshaw who DO have lateral quickness and can get away from those defenders.

And I don’t think Kawika Mitchell was much better than Danny Clark, now would I trade Tuck/Kiwanuka straight up for Osi/Strahan right now (even if Osi were healthy, of course). Tuck might be one of the 3 best defensive players in the league, and we all know he’s better than Osi, and right now Kiwanuka is probably better than Strahan would be. Of course it would be nice to have all of them, but that’s just greedy. Finally, while there might have been slight regression at some D positions, Ross and Webster have improved, Kenny Phillips potentially adds a new dimension to the secondary, and Fred Robbins has taken a giant step forward (no pun intended).

by cjmulrain on Oct 2, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely

He makes some valid points, but overstates them for his cause. Plus those offensive statistics are for all of last year, yet the offense we see today is the one that hit another gear at the end of the season.

His defensive analysis just shows his lack of insight into the talent Reese has assembled, but that is pretty much the case with everyone doing some analysis on the Giants. They don’t know yet because they haven’t made their names yet. They will.

by potroast on Oct 2, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

The giants of today are not the same Giants as the ones of Week 4, Week 8 or Week 12 of last season. This is a different team that believes in what it does. As I have tried to say, statistics do not measure this team. I realize the Giants won’t go 16-0, but I wish people would realize how good this team is.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stats do a pretty good job measuring this team too

2nd in the league (ad probably first with the ravens MNF loss) in DVOA

by kendynamo on Oct 2, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lame.

Did anyone else catch the long-winded attempt faux-poetic intro to his post about the Giants defense? I think this lad has a bit of an ego problem.. which turns out to be a problem for everyone who stumbles upon his gloriously stupid screeds.

As for the game, I’m a touch worried. The Seahawks have talent, and their WRs are finally getting healthy. That said, we should have no problem putting Hasselbeck on his rump and keeping Julius Jones at bay. I also do not see how their shaky defense can hold down our running game (not just Jacobs as was illustrated above).

"We're only going to score 17 points?" ~ Tom Brady

by mwilli on Oct 2, 2008 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More condescending crap

Check out this article they did regarding the Plax suspension

Then Johnny Morgan steps in and basically turns it into an Eli and Toomer bashfest.

This bodes very well for the Hawks. The only thing slower than Brian Russell is Amani Toomer

Amani Toomer is slow like I’m skinny. He may not be as fast as he was 5 years ago, but I think he has shown he can still get the motor going.

Oh and then he contradicts himself here:

Needless to say, the loss of Burress creates a cascade that weakens the Giants offense and improves Seattle’s matchups. It doesn’t, however, weaken New York’s still dominant defense.

So wait, one minute this defense is “still dominant”, but the next it “will soon show its softer side” and will “decline like the offense”? Which is it? Would you and the rest of the “12th Men” like to confer for a minute?

By the way, does anyone ever remember hearing about the “12th Man” when they played in the Kingdome? Funny how a few years of moderate success can get people talking about what devoted fans you have.

This is what happens when you live somewhere without enough sunshine, kids. It makes you say dumb things.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amani didn't look so slow...

…when he was catching everything thrown to him in the playoffs last year. I wonder who ’Hawks fans would rather have seen on the field against the Steelers a few years back: Amani…or Jeramy Stevens??

by drunkUncle on Oct 2, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong, the Kingdome was known for being one of the loudest stadiums in the league as well.

Qwest Field is just better.

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

“As a tribute to their fans, the Seahawks retired the number 12 during a game on December 15, 1984. Since then #12 Jerseys have been sold by the team and worn by Seahawk fans, often with the name "Fan” on the back. The Seahawks also have a ceremony before each home game where a flag bearing the #12 is raised by a prominent individual."

by vanrijn on Oct 2, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

They might just have the loudest stadium because they pipe the sound in. The Skins are not the 1st team to accuse them of that.

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_010408WAB_seahawks_qwest_noise_LJ.bec2be1.html

by potroast on Oct 2, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the screwup in my post

The link didn’t work, and BBV does not play well with the firewall and restrictions here at work, so I can’t even preview a post.

A thousand pardons, Giant fans, I live only to serve.

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

" A thousand pardons, Giant fans, I live only to serve."

Thanks jrs, I’d like a Heineken.

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Oct 2, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John for the most part analyzes both teams' weaknesses so check back in later in the week and you'll see something different....maybe.

I disagree with what he’s saying for the most part, after watching the Giants, I think they’ll make the playoffs easily barring there is a major offensive injury.

I think it’s even lamer that you’re ripping into another SBNers post (of the opposing team) just because he isn’t going to bend over and just say the Giants are great. Don’t let that power rankings crap get into your head because it is all subjective.

It’s 1 opinion, no need to just bash it and calling it “dumb”.

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SS

We appreciate your coming by. You are being reasonable, and we like that. John is, undeniably, entitled to his opinion and runs a good site. We could honestly care less about the power rankings. They don’t mean jack, which we showed last year. I don’t think we are bashing the opinion — obviously you want to find reasons why you think the Seahawks can win. What i didn’t like, and I think others will agree, is the tone in which the opinion is expressed. It feels very condescending. Of course, if the Seahawks pull the upset Sunday we will all think differently.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the hospitality

Hopefully we can all enjoy watching a good game on Sunday. I think that if you were to read more of Johns posts regarding other topics or teams, or even analysis of our team/management, you would find that he carries a pretty consistant tone throughout; I highly doubt he meant for it to have a condescending air to it, more that it is just the style with which he writes. Have a good one.

by vanrijn on Oct 2, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not "dumb"

but claims about the Giants offense and defense with just hollow numbers (who cares about 3rd down conversion rate when the team is fresh off a SB and three straight victories in ’08?) and insufficient explanations are frustrating.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 2, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Bottom line is SB champs, 3-0 start.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should be a good one.

The Seahawks badly need a win this week, which makes them dangerous. Combine that with the Burress situation, and the Giants’ traditional post-bye lethargy, and anything is possible.

That said, the Giants are still putting better personnel on the field and should win the game. It would be a bad loss.

by drunkUncle on Oct 2, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't think it would be a bad loss

Seattle is still going to win that putrid NFC West. they’ve won what, four division titles in a row? and they have most of that same core (sans Alexander, like that matters…) returning. that’s probably the best 1-2 team in the NFL.

Giants should win at home, but it’s not like they’re playing Cincinnati or St. Louis. this is a very good Seahawks team that’s more than capable of beating the Giants.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 2, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

This is a dangerous game for the Giants. Couple of bounces one way or another can change everything, though.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Youv'e summed up my thoughts, exactly, uncle.

At least we’re going to see if Hixon can live up to our (well, at least my) expectations.

by george cronin on Oct 2, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey George

I’ve become a big Hixon believer too. I didn’t like the move at first because I didn’t know the guy and he bumped Mix out the door, it’s best to admit when you’re wrong. (Been doing that a lot this year with the Giants)

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Oct 2, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hixon

i think we we are all looking forward to seeing what he can do. Let’s just hope that on Monday we aren’t grumbling about how much we missed Burress.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Morgan Is No Dummy

Ah, come on boys, need a refresher course? The week leading up to a game both teams fans can have an equal shot at claiming glory. You don’t want Seahawk fans writing about how they are going to get crushed do you? (Maybe you do.)

John Morgan puts together a great blog. He analyzes tape, finds trends in stats, and consults a whole lot of PFW data. He is no dummy. He might come off as an over-confident homer in these pieces but I think his point is all is not lost, the Seahawks have a chance of winning if the GMen revert to the mean and the Seahawks D can stuff the run. Those are both very big IFs for the Seahawks so take it all with a grain of salt.

For me, I think the Giants will win by a decisive margin. However on any given Sunday you never know what could happen and I can dare to dream. I like these games against the GMen, I have several friends that are big Giants fans so its always a good time trading jabs. Instead of me texting them “get a new kicker” after 3 missed filed goals, I’ll most likely be getting a text saying “when does the 1st team show up?”

Later dudes.

by Surf Hawk on Oct 2, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Surf

Of course the Seahawks have a chance. They are an excellent team. I just felt the stuff coming from John was very dismissive. What so many people don’t get about the Giants is that you can’t look at the numbers to figure out this team. They don’t have individual super stars. They don’t rely on one player. They aren’t strictly a passing team. They aren’t strictly a running team. They aren’t just a pass-rush only defense. Their numbers don’t add up because there is not one thing they are ‘great’ at, statistically (except maybe QB sacks). But, you can’t find one thing they do poorly. Plus, they understand winning.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIeld Gulls rules

You guys are defensive! C’mon, you just beat the Patriots in the Superbowl. Are you really going to get that worked up about some nerd from Seattle questioning your team?

You’re 3-0 and we’re 1-2. You’re playing at home. If the situations were reversed I would be very confident of a win at Qwest.

Frankly it makes me feel better about our chances. I think you all must not be as confident as you could be in your team.

by crnchber on Oct 2, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We just want RESPECT....

You can analyze the giants as the worst team.Last year the giants finished what the Seahawks couldn’t in the playoffs against the “Farve’s” Green Bay Packers.

Joe L

by kinglongo on Oct 2, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i heart Field Gulls

what i don’t heart is hearing about how the 3-0 Defending Champion team i root for is on the “decline.”

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 2, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Heart Huckabees

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He cherry picked stats to belittle our team. For example, focusing on Jacobs and ignoring Ward/Bradshaw. We have the right to get defensive.

As a giants fan every game worries you somewhat. It’s just the nature of our team.

That’s all I have.

by Woogie526 on Oct 2, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troll

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello? Pot calling?

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

You Seahawks fans are completely devoid of a sense of humor….Don’t worry, I won’t be back on your site, its no fun, where are the Pats fans when we need them?

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I’m very interested to see his answers to your questions Ed
I have to imagine they’ll be a consistent once Mora Jr. is their coach.. hahaha (until he leaves for the huskies job)

by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 2, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, man

I figured pointing out the ‘Field Gulls’ stuff would get you guys riled up. I guess I wasn’t wrong.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The 'Hawks can have the stats, the wins at Qwest, the 12th Man, etc...

….I’ll take the legacy and the Super Bowls, thank you very much.

I will allow the Seahawks to pipe up when they’ve proven something/anything. Until then, this is all sort of just white noise.

by Cody K on Oct 2, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen brother!

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected

For what its worth, the Seahawks retired the 12th man jersey in 1984. Sorry, its easy to ignore a team that’s been mediocre for most of its existence.

Here’s to you 12th Man!

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just gonna put this out there.. You don't like it, send it right back:

“winning washes away all…”
HELLO?! You PLAY to WIN the GAME!!!
I have to admire this guy’s cajones in putting himself out there the way he did, but let’s face it, for all the supposed weaknesses he pointed out and all the talk of how the Sh!tHawks will exploit them, he didn’t bother to state HOW they would do it.

by NYcON on Oct 2, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I know

for sure is the interest level in Sunday’s game has now been ratcheted up.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you don't

Let’s all chill. No need for name-calling, on either side. The Seahawks fans who have come over have been pretty good today. Kudos to you guys. Let’s keep it as friendly as we can, gang!

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay good. ;-)

BTW, I’m going to try something pretty neat and head over to the opposing team’s open thread every week from now on so hello Big Blue View!

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for you

No reason we can’t disagree as long we try to be adult about it :-)

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, about that adult part....

Anyways, here’s the deal.

The Seahawks trolls will stay away from your site if jrs1940 gets away from Field Gulls.

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you banning me?

Its not a free country?

Giants fan from the womb to the tomb

by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 2, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

Must have taken a wrong turn.

I seem to have stumbled into a pissing match.

;-)

by mrs.jrs1940 on Oct 2, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

You did. I may have started it, but your hubby is responsible for some of the pissing. LOL!!

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no doubt...

You simply CAN NOT tell me this wasn’t expected.

by mrs.jrs1940 on Oct 2, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You mean

expected that this would be the result of my posting this? Or expected that mr. jrs would want to get in the middle of it? I was expecting, and hoping for, both.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's unfortunate

i have to watch the birds this weekend (i wish they had sunday ticket here)

by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 2, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sopcast my friend...

google sopcast and go from there.

by Cody K on Oct 2, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean to watch the game?

Because I’m in Baja and I work sundays and I have been able only to listen the games via giants.com

by Bajaserge on Oct 2, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just trust me....

….sopcast. Give it a shot. That’s all I will say.

It’s a service that streams basically any game that’s on at any given moment, I mean ANY game, Premier League Soccer, NFL Fball, NBA Bball, etc.

Although something tells me it isn’t entirely legal……

by Cody K on Oct 2, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll already downloaded the softwarte

now let’s wait for Sunday.
thanks man

by Bajaserge on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim.....

Breath in, breath out……….

"18-1, Write that Book"

by BigBl42 on Oct 2, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear John

make sure to wash your foot really well Sunday. It’ll taste better,Love Bob. (off the record though I could go for a couple af cold Raineers and dungees it’s been a while!)

We're only gonna score 17 points?

by big blue wrecking crew on Oct 2, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think John Carney has to keep his feet well because kicking footballs all the time is quite tough. ;-)

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

I actually like trash talking. It means every fan can insert their team colored bong full of poop and be happy with it.

BUT . . . it misses the point. John (on a seahawks blog) made very legitimate, intelligent points. He didn’t say that the Giants suck or that the Seahawks would blow them up. He used statistical analysis with trends to illustrate his points. There is no team in the history of the NFL that is immune to flaws and I think that John found a few.

Besides thanks kinglongo for the “We just want respect” post. The Seahawks have more playoff berths and the highest winning pct over the last 5 years in the NFC. yet AZ or SF is picked to win the division every year. And they have a couple bad games and are dismissed as a bust. No Giant fan should EVER tell a Seahawk fan that they don’t get respect.

by Havik on Oct 2, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya on 'respect'

We’re a little sensitive to people constantly saying the Giants aren’t that good, despite what they have accomplished. That’s probably why it hit a nerve.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check your e-mail please ETVal. ;-)

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

is this the longest non-game day thread in BBV’s history? Who’da thunk it. I have to say, I read the comments over at Field Gulls, and I wasn’t too happy with the way they were talking about BBV, they seemed pretty condescending. The blogger over there said he wasn’t gonna answer your 5 questions, which seems kinda petty to me, especially for a blog that’s pretending to take the higher road. Oh well.

This game does worry me a bit: not b/c the Giants aren’t good, but b/c I think the Seahawks are better than people are giving them credit for. As others have mentioned, they’ve won the NFC West 5 straight years. Now, I know the West isn’t the NFC East, but it’s still impressive to win it 5 straight times. Hopefully the Giants don’t have another post-bye week let down. I’m hoping the Giants win and Jacobs runs for 200 yards just to rub it in, but I’m not over-confident.

by cjmulrain on Oct 2, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This means War

what is their problem?
is it an inferiority complex..
to me it seems like the seahawks and cowboys are on an island, shut off from the NFL

by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 2, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grr.....I hit the wrong button.

I don’t get it. Why are you attributing one blog’s series of users (although it started with John) to one team?

The Cowboys aren’t on an island, although I wouldn’t mind seeing them float to the Bermuda Triangle.

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Seattle fans are just angry in general

and I can’t say I blame them. The Mariners were “supposed” to compete for the AL West title this year, and lost 100 games instead. The Seahawks have won the NFC West 5 years in a row, but are a disappointing 1-2 this year, and all Seattle fans believe they were robbed of that Super Bowl a few years ago by bad officiating (I don’t agree personally, but then again I’m a Miami Hurricanes fan who will believe to my dying day that the refs screwed them out of the Championship against Ohio St. back in 2002 so I don’t begrudge them). And, most egregiously of all, they just had their basketball franchise stolen away from them through a disgusting act of collusion by a scumbag owner and the NBA Commissioner. They’re like Boston fans 10 years ago or Philly fans pretty much all the time.

by cjmulrain on Oct 2, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and Ty Willingham

has coached the state’s biggest college football program into the ground almost as quickly as he did the same to Notre Dame.

by cjmulrain on Oct 2, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ty Willingham recruited Weis’ good teams

by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 2, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but he couldn't coach them.

Willingham is a disgrace and should be fired before this season even ends.

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

also, while it’s true that Willingham recruited the guys Weiss won with, he also basically stopped recruiting, which is why there was nobody there last year to be competitive with. Look at their starters this year, they’re almost all true freshman and sophomores. There is NO upper level talent at ND, which is Willinghams last 2 “recruiting classes” – although they barely qualify as such.

by cjmulrain on Oct 2, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Bob Davie recruited

Ty’s only good team in 2002 (Justin Tuck, Courtney Watson, Vontez Duff, Glenn Earl, Gerome Sapp, Arnaz Battle, etc.). no offense to you Hoya or anybody else, this isn’t directed at you. but personally, i can’t stand it when non-Notre Dame fans try to interject on the Ty Willingham firing.

the guy is a mediocre head coach who was in way over his head at ND and is about to get axed at Washington as well. he spent more time on the golf course than on the recruiting trail and is at least partly to blame for last year’s horrific 3-9 campaign.

i’m not a Weis defender, and 3-9 is absolutely unacceptable regardless of the circumstances. but he developed Quinn into a soon-to-be NFL starting QB, took Jeff Samardzija from the depths of the bench and turned him into a multiple-record holder, developed Maurice Stovall, who had been labeled as a “bust” during his first three years, and turned a 5-7 and 6-6 team into consecutive BCS berths.

go irish, beat Cardinal.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 2, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were angry when Shaun Alexander was still in the starting lineup and 4th and 1 was like a treasure hunt.

But hey, were the Giants fans not angry when they went into an 0-2 hole?

I don’t believe we were robbed of the Super Bowl (although the refs sucked and seemed to call everything against Seattle. How do you get called for a chop block trying to make a tackle?), Seattle played poorly and Jerramy Stevens is awful.

I’m angry with UW and what I want to do with Ty Wilingham cannot be discussed when 8 year olds read this site.

We have the Seattle Storm and Lauren Jackson has nude photos and you can’t have her! ;-)

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, I don't blame you

we were angry as recently as week 15 last year. If the Giants hadn’t won the Super Bowl, NY would be a VERY pissed off sports town right now. Think about it: Yankees miss their first playoffs in 14 years, the Mets choke away a September lead for the 2nd straight year on the last day of the season, the Jets were 4-12 last year, the Islanders perpetually suck, the Rangers are good but not great, and the only team the entire city can unite around was run by Isaiah “the franchise killer” Thomas for the past 5 years, and Frank “only Isaiah & Millen are worse GM’s than me” Layden before that.

Seriously, the Giants SAVED New York last year. Which is why we take any disrespect to them very personally.

by cjmulrain on Oct 2, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets not make any more Knicks references

unless we’re talking about the 1989-2000 teams. those were the days.

i’m a huge Giants fan, but i would take one Knicks championship over 1,000 Giants Super Bowl wins. i can’t help it. rooting for the Knicks during this recent stretch is like staying in an abusive relationship. i hope someday that they’ll matter again.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 2, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude I actually agree -

I would be beyond fired up if the NYK won a championship. Wow, wouldn’t that just be amazing??

The problem is that the team came so close in the 90’s on multiple occasions…we have been spoiled by their success!!

by Cody K on Oct 3, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's who I'm picking BTW (Via my Blog)

Seattle @ NY Giants: Oh goody I finally have to do actual analysis for a Seahawks game instead of 8 word sentences on them crushing the Rams. Well, Seattle is getting healthier, the Giants are the opposite in the front 4. You cannot however, deny the amazing depth and youth they have with Justin Tuck and Jay Alford, and still have one of the best rushing defenses in the league despite losing Osi Umenyiora and Michael Strahan. I heard some Plaxico Burress guy got suspended for insubordination, and he is Eli Manning’s go-to-guy. This significantly changes both teams’ game plan, it is a positive for Seattle, but can they cover Eli’s other new security blanket in Steve Smith? Most of Manning’s 3rd down passes this year have gone to Smith and they have converted just about every time.

On the Seattle side, this is their test of how good their running game really is, after they ran over the 49ers and Rams, who have anything but good rushing defenses. I think they are for real however, Julius Jones runs with a purpose, Mo Morris seems to perform well as a backup, and TJ Duckett is very big. I think they are for real, and will perform well against the Giants, who let Chris Perry run by them on several occasions. I see a lot of audibles my Matt Hasselbeck, resulting in draws to Jones or Leonard Weaver while the G-Men bring a 7 man blitz. Speaking of Hasselbeck, your receivers in Deion Branch and Bobby Engram are back, and can actually catch the ball, so you better do well the next few weeks, you have gone from rags to riches in the receiving corp, so make use of them, and your new favorite target, John Carlson. Oh yeah, before I forget, I have to pick a winner. Er……Seattle can win this game, their defense has produced 2 poor games from Eli Manning in their 2 meetings at Qwest, and can produce another one at the Meadowlands (especially since Burress is not there), but I think the Giants are the more talented and better team overall, and will pull off the win. Also, Seattle folds like a lawn chair when playing a 1 PM game on the East Coast.

Giants 35 Seahawks 20

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by SSreporters on Oct 2, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I give give it 24-27 hawks, We win start off with an early 7 point lead…then fall behind and come back to win with a 52 yard field goal (who needs josh brown?), only because we so desperately need this win….not for the record, but for the confidence. We have a tough schedule ahead of us and it would be very nice to gain some momentum…. I am damn nervous though, why do we suck at 10 am our time? If I can get to the bar to have a beer feeling the way I usually do on sundays….they can pull it together and play a morning match.

I am starting to like this matchup over the years, seems like a true rivalry starting to develop as fans on boths sides are fired up!!!

by collyb on Oct 3, 2008 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!!

This thread just goes on and on … at least it has taken a friendly turn. :-)

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THANK GOD it is a home game!

I will say this much: I’m just happy that the GMen finally get a crack at the Seahwaks @ NYG. For a while there, it felt like NYG was traveling to Seattle for the game for years in a row. And kudos to the “12th Man” because they seem to make that a hostile environment for any opposing team. I wish that NYG had that kind of home field advantage, in fact, I will go so far as to say that it is probably one of the toughest places to play in the NFL.

But it will be nice to get this game in NJ. And, what’s even better, and the sole reason I give the edge to the Giants, is that Luke Petitgout is no longer our starting T (he has had some rough games @ Qwest).

It’s nice to have somewhat of a rivalry with a random NFC team. I like that.

One final note: I would gladly take an “L” in every regular season game to the Seahawks for eternity if it means more Super Bowl victories. And I would happily take “poor games from Eli Manning in…meetings at Qwest” if it translates into more Super Bowl MVP trophies….

by Cody K on Oct 2, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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