'Kudos & Wet Willies,' Brown-out edition
Before anybody goes nuts over the New York Giants 35-14 loss to Cleveland Monday night, we all knew the Giants would not go 16-0. Sooner or later, the Giants were going to play a bad game.
Without doubt, last night was a stinker. If you are going to flush an 11-game road winning streak down the toilet, you might as well do it in grand fashion, and the Giants did as they were dominated by the Browns.
With both Washington and Dallas having lost Sunday, a victory Monday would have been huge for the Giants. The Redskins and Cowboys have two losses, and the Eagles have three, so 5-0 would have looked awfully good.
Give the Browns credit, though. At 1-3, they were a pretty good team desperate for a win. They dominated the Giants from the line of scrimmage, gaining more than 450 yards and never punting once. The vaunted Giants' pass rush was non-existent and Derek Anderson (310 yards passing) had wide open receivers all night.
So, the Giants are 4-1. They lead the NFC East, and you know you would have signed up for that when the season began.
With all of that said, let's move on to our traditional 'Kudos & Wet Willies' review of the carnage.
Kudos to ...
This will be a really short list.
- Steve Smith: The second-year wide receiver was outstanding, with nine catches for 94 yards. He has, in many ways, become the possession security blanket for Eli that Amani Toomer used to be.
- Derrick Ward: Gained 101 yards in 10 carries. Yes, some of that came late, but Ward ran hard and ran well.
Wet Willies to ...
- Eli Manning: We sang his praises through a 4-0 start. Let's not go nuts the other way and go off the deep end criticizing him. He had a terrible game with three bad interceptions, the worst we have seen him play in a very long time. Let it go. If you thought he, and the Giants, were going to be perfect all season I want some of whatever you were smoking.
- Antonio Pierce: I give the guy credit for playing through an injury, but he shouldn't have been out there. When you can't run with Darnell Dinkins, you can't play.The Browns gashed the Giants straight up the middle with the run the entire game -- going right at Pierce.
- Fred Robbins, Barry Cofield, Jay Alford: See above. Cleveland ran the ball right at the middle of the Giants defense all night -- right at Pierce and those tackles. The middle of the Giants defense simply got manhandled all night. NFL teams watching that game film have to believe they have found a soft spot in the Giants defense.
- Aaron Ross: A terrible night for the second-year cornerback. He gave up two long pass plays, then got hurt giving up a fourth-quarter touchdown.
- Tom Coughlin and Kevin Gilbride: Monday night was not their finest hour. Umm ... Ahmad Bradshaw, Ahmad Bradshaw, Ahmad Bradshaw. He is the momentum changer among the Giants' running backs and last night -- a game in which the Giants needed to change the direction of the game -- screamed for him. Yet, Brandon Jacobs was still in the game and carrying the ball with the Giants down three scores. Why Jacobs? And why running plays, anyway? Bradshaw never got in the game. Stupid.
- Amani Toomer: Did No. 81 even play?
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this is something that was needed
a reality check for the team and for all of us.
the good/bad thing about rooting for the Giants for all these years is that every time they take the field, they have the ability to win or lose to any team they play. that includes 15-0 teams and 0-15 teams. that’s just the way it has always been. i don’t think this team will ever be like the Patriots or Colts of the last few seasons – teams that NEVER lost to team they were supposed to beat.
the reason why this loss is frustrating is because they could’ve taken a stranglehold on the NFC East. but, because of the losses by Dallas and Washington, the loss hurts less. this team is very good and very balanced, but they aren’t elite (nobody is this year). they’ll have to rebound against a bad 49ers team at home next week and then we’ll find out if they’re for real over their next three (at Pittsburgh, Dallas, at Philly).
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 14, 2008 6:32 AM EDT reply actions
It's funny
All this talk about them being the ‘best’ was, I think we all knew, a bad thing. You simply can’t make that call after 4 or 5 games. The Giants are very good — they just played a bad game. It happens. But, it makes Sunday against the 49ers very important.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I knew all this hype was going to be a very bad thing for this team. It’s very easy to get complacent, even if you say you’re not taking anything for granted. This game was a mental kick in the ass.
by mahmoodzaky on Oct 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Frustrating
To me the most frustrating part was watching our D-line get absolutely manhandled. They were flat out dominated. Also, I see a very disturbing trend developing … the Giants are not getting the pressure they need from their front 4 and when they blitz the opponents attack with a short passing attack exposing the Giants underbelly. The Bengals did this pretty well (forget Seattle because they didn’t even show up to play) and then the Browns did it to perfection. Spags is going to need to show his genius in fixing this because it appears teams have found the Giants weakness on D.
Defense
We are going to spend some time this week talking about that trend. The Giants are getting exposed a bit defensively, and that is troubling.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
the Browns do have one of the better O-lines though. i noticed especially with Robbins and Coefield that they were really getting pushed around.
one of the other most frustrating aspects of the game were the continued 1st & 15, 1st & 20, 2nd and long, etc. that the Browns faced due to self-inflicted penalties. even with all of that, the Giants couldn’t do anything. i haven’t seen a team this season get as dominated as the Giants were in the Browns 14-play third quarter drive which made the score 27-14. absolutely dominated.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 14, 2008 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Domination
I am really troubled by how easily the Giants were pushed around right up the gut of the defense.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
part of it
is that we didnt have the ability to rotate linebackers in and out— gerris wilkinson injured, kiwanuka on the line, AP injured. i just didn’t get what spags was thinking the entire game. I really thought after halftime he would have adjusted to make up for that obvious weakness.
by mahmoodzaky on Oct 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We definately needed a dose of reality.
I think Plax could be added to the Wet willies. He looked very lost on some of his routes including the int right after the second half started.
Last night was a typical example of Eli trying to do way too much. Bradshaw could get wet willies for the two muffed kick offs. Those were moments where he could have changed the momentum or the field position game and instead he had to recover from muffing the ball.
To be a champion..
This Sunday against the 49ers will set the tone on what kind of team the Giants are going to be. Will it be the Giants of old, where they go on a 3 game losing streak or does this team show the world that they can rebound from a lost like this and dominate the way we know they can. Same goes for Eli, if he wants to be compared to the elite QB’s, than he needs to correct the problems he had last nite ( throwing off back foot) …………………………………..Go Giants…….
"18-1, Write that Book"
Amani played
he was the intended target on the pick-6! Other than that, though, I didn’t see him.
That loss really sucked, but I’ve got confidence this team will bounce back. Spags has always made adjustments on D, so I expect them to be better next weekend. As for Eli, I think he’s just gonna have games like this from time to time, but as long as he comes back and keeps playing well, it’ll be fine. Don’t forget, Peyton had a 6-INT game last season, but he still had a great season. Just gotta come out next week and dominate.
I'm concerned
with Spags ability to make adjustments in this case because we already saw this mode of attack this year. It should not be a surprise at this point that this is the way offenses are going to attack the Giants D, yet there were no in-game adjustments to shore up the belly of the D. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m just saying that we may be more vulnerable than I thought before. Maybe those losses on our D-line and subsequent losses at LB are as bad as advertised. And maybe what we should be the most concerned about is trading /acquiring a LB rather than Gonzalez.
Spags
I thought Spags tried pretty much everything. He tried a variety of blitzes. He tried four-man rush. He brought corners. He tried the zone blitz. One thing he can’t ‘scheme’ around is his defensive tackles getting manhandled at the point of attack, which is what happened last night.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Give Cofield Credit....
He ran down that RB on that reverse and saved a TD on that play.
Im also a bit confused as to how theyre using Bradshaw this year, hes the teams biggest play maker in terms of running, but it seems they only bring him in when the game is secured…..I really dont know about Gilbride sometimes.
Aaron Ross simply fell down twice, albeit on two huge plays
either way, Im on Gonzalez watch all day.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Cofield
Credit for one hustle play, yes. However, other than that he spent the entire game getting pushed around.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland dominated...
…but if Eli doesn’t throw three picks (two inside the Cleveland 5 yard line), the game is winnable (they may still have lost, but it would have been interesting). The defense played badly, but it’s a game the offense could have stolen for them, had they played a competent game.
True, maybe
But Eli wasn’t going to be perfect all season. I remain more concerned about the defense than about Eli, to be honest.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
The D was exposed. And the signs of it were there in the Cincy game, for sure. They can’t get to the QB with four down lineman, and they can’t get there quickly enough w/the blitz. And it’s not just short throws. Anderson took deep drops a few times against the blitz and wasn’t touched. Part of it is personnel, but an even greater part of it may be the league adjusting to what was so successful last year in the playoffs. Now Spagnuolo has to adjust in turn.
I guess everyone can take a break from the NFC BEAST best. division. ever. stuff for a week, at least.
Pass rush
You are right. Cincy exposed it, Seattle was too messed up to take advantage, but the Browns went to school on it. Giants aren’t getting to the QB as often, and the corners are getting left 1-on-1.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, pass rush most culpable and troubling
eli made mistakes, like aaron ross on his two awful plays, but you hope some of that is luck and some of that cna be corrected. the pass rush has not looked great all year and last night was totally absent. that needs to change or other QBs will continue to destory our D.
I can't disagree with all the negatives noted re the game by BBVers.
My take is that, until proven otherwise, we just can’t be as bad as we looked. We came out flat and got our butts whipped. The next two games are vs. weak opponents and we’ll take that opportunity to get back on track. On the other hand, the most optimistic of us have been properly chastened. There was no way we were going to go unbeaten and if we finish the season w/o another loss(or two or three), I’ll be amazed.
Weak?
San Fran is weak, but I hardly think Pittsburgh is a weak team. I am still holding to 11-5 and saying that would be an outstanding season considering how brutal the schedule is beginning with Pittsburgh.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The second half sched is a killer
I would sign for 11-5 right now, and would have signed for it even before last night’s game.
Right
Okay, only one game to get back on track. Hope it’s enough. 11-5 doesn’t sound bad to me. Just think, only seven more to go.
by george cronin on Oct 14, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the things that bothered me most about last night....
And I said it during the live game blog, everyone in a white uniform looked absolutely befuddled, including the head coach. The Giants made mistakes you learn playing 2 hand touch with Nerf last night.
Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered.
A short week is probably the best thing for them, get right back to work and forget about it. I expect an angry Giants team on Sunday, on both sides of the ball.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 14, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
There are a few things I don't get:
(1) Bradshaw: gents, on this site, I’ve wondered aloud, “WHERE is Bradshaw??” and we’ve all agreed that he would only be used in a time when the team really needed in a jam or in the 4th Q. In the face of relentless pressure on Eli all night and on a night when he got beat up pretty good, did we see one screen pass to Bradshaw, one of the Giants best playmakers? No. Did he get off the sideline once? No. WTF is going on here? Is Coughlin still angry about the off-season arrest issues? WTF! I don’t get this and it is really frustrating to watch a tired B Jacobs running the ball on 2nd and 12 in the 4th. That’s prime Bradshaw territory right there. I’m mystified.
(2) Plaxico’s Rapport: It is starting to become obvious that Plaxico inability to communicate effectively with Eli is starting to become a problem. I think that there are two issues here, (a) it’s obvious to everyone (including Kornheiser!) that Eli was trying to force-feed the ball to Plaxico and (b) Plaxico’s inability to make the correct read has to be a direct manifestation of missed time on the field.
(3) Gilbride: Hey Kevin, you have ZERO excuse pal to not get the F*ing play in on 3rd and 6 w/ 11:19 remaining in the 3rd Q. You’ve got that stupid little sheet with all of your plays on it and which ones to call in regards to down and distance. Oh, and you just came out of half time. KNOW THE PLAY. That’s inexcusable. The entire “O” is sitting there staring at the sideline with the time clock dwindling down and the “O” has to burn a TO just 3.5 mins into the 2nd half. No excuse for that. None.
(4) Did I mention Bradshaw?
(5) Eli, Eli, Eli….you’re better than that, my friend. Get it out of your system.
(6) The world isn’t falling. The Gmen lost to a wounded animal on the road in mid October. Did I mention that they still have sole possession of 1st place in the NFC East and their closest competitor just lost their starting QB for 1 month? We’ll be fine….
Said perfectly
Especially 1 and 4, they have to find a way to get Bradshaw on the field more.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 14, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Your critiques are on target.
My guess re Bradshaw is that TC, always cautious, was even more so because of the mishandled kicks.
by george cronin on Oct 14, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
re # 6
I’d like to further revise my last sentence to:
“……..and their closest competitor just lost their starting QB, # 2RB, and all of their CB’s (Terrence Newman out with groin surgery and Pacman Jones out with dumbass-ness) for AT LEAST 1 month?”
I'm not worried.
We’re still a top-5 team in teh NFL and I think Aaron Ross will never allow himself to play another game like last night ever again.
I boil this game down to A.R.‘s mistakes, a bad call letting Pierce play with that injury, b/c a healthy Antonio Pierce should be in the pro bowl and does NOT let darnell goddamn dinkins score on him, and too much pressure on Eli thanks to the washing-machine sized things that the Cleveland Browns call defensive linemen and linebackers. That kind of pressure on the QB is why a sub-par secondary like Cleveland’s was all over our receivers.
What DOES worry me… what the hell was Kevin Gilbride doing?? Why are we running the ball up the middle on 2nd and 12,13, something like that? Where was Ahmad Bradshaw?? Sinorice Moss inactive after last week, really? And why did we have to call a timeout in the 3rd quarter trailing so much? I really hope he was a little drunk or something.
Also, it seems like there is enough film out there on Spag’s defensive schemes, teams are figuring out that they can draw 6 defenders in with three-step dropbacks and then attack the middle right along the bubble. Not good.
And this Eli will occasionally pop in and out against certain teams (Vikings, for example..)— but overall I think this disgusting loss will have the Giants going nuts in the Meadowlands this week, accounting for the many mistakes of this game, and getting ready to trounce the niners and steelers, both games which I feel better going into then I did against the Browns. The Steelers’ O line will not be able to contain our pass rush. Kameamoatu is gonna have Fred Robbins’s shoeprints all over his face, and I look forward to it.
Also at this point
We all know Eli is a great quarterback who can win big and who is the leader of our New York Football Giants. I really don’t want to read the NY media trashing him this week or any week— he is not the “old” Eli, he’s the same Eli he always was, and he occasionally will have a terrible game like last night, but he’s still a champ. I’m wearing my Manning jersey today.
Spags/ Defense
Was it me or did our D just line up in a straight formation and play EVERY play of the game. No, motion no stunts ……..nothing, Did anyone watch what the Cardinals did on Sunday motion every play(I only saw end of game). Any quarterback could have read this D like a book and made any of the adjustments necessary . It just seems to me the Giants do a whole lot better when the D dictates the pre snap tone (if that makes sense). Of course the 3 ints didn’t help much either.
We're only gonna score 17 points?
by big blue wrecking crew on Oct 14, 2008 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
Bradshaw
I thought Jacobs was getting the job done though. I was a bit confused with the urgency in the last 8 mins. I like the run calls, but I would have liked to have seen them go A LOT faster
Add Eli's...
lack of effort after a pick to his Wet Willies credentials. Rather than jumping to the “I told you so!” line, I’ll give him a pass for last night’s picks. I do NOT give him a pass for standing there with his hands on his hips after he throws a pick. That’s exactly what he did after the first two INT’s. His lack off effort on the 3rd pick resulted in a Pick-Six. It sure looked like with just a nudge he could have forced the DB out of bounds on that return.
I’ve seen enough of “Easy-E” to last a lifetime. I miss having a QB who at least acted like he cared after throwing an interception.
by Intellectual Derriere on Oct 14, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder
just how much Eli did not want to take another hit considering what we learned after the game.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 14, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wonder why nfl is king
wonder why the nfl is king. look at everyones new favorite for superbowl pick the giants. They go to the lowly Browns and get killed. Only league in sports that the best can and does get beat every week.
http://www.CTSportsPicks.com
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that and the NCAAF, where the top 5 teams lose weekly...
or the MLB where the Rays are on there way to the WS after finishing in last last year. And the NBA where the Celts won the championship after finishing last in the Eastern conference the year before (although not the same given their acquisition of Garnett).
I get your point and I do agree with it, but when I started to think about it all of these other league surprises over the last year have been significant.
by losangelesmets on Oct 14, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions

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